Metallica, sell outs?

[h0bgawblin]

I had an arguement on youtube that I thought i'd bring here. Here is the current state of it. Feel free to add your own points.

Metalrose01: A 'deep & meaningful' song doesnt have to be technically intricate or straight out heavy. Mainstream music can be just as 'deep & meaningful' without the artistic creativity involved in making heavy and amazing peices of work like Metallica's first 4 albums. Get it right. Evolution is more creative for a band, changing style is more creative, sticking to your same genre 2 scared to feature outside of your comfort zone, producing the same type of music over & over again...that is amateuristic.

H0bgawblin: so your saying that lessening the technical aspect of ones music can be an improvement, or just as good? In my opinion, that isn't the case. Unforgiven by my definition is a work of art. I Disapear however, is very mainstream. "evolution...more creative...stick to your same genre...that is amateuristic" They stood in the same genre, metal. Evolution implies the growth of something, by removing the technicals, and expressing emotions with less navigation is not growth. That aside, changing styles to something already developed (main stream) isn't creative.

[LinkTheGameFreak]

huh?

Let Metallica do what they wanna do - they're not 20 anymore, they've got kids now and they write what music they wanna hear now - and I enjoy it, albeit not as much as the first 8 albums, but still good to hear Jaymz growl his lil heart out :)

[IrishDutchman]

To me it feels whenever an act releases a (relatively) crappy album, they are instantly dubbed sell-outs. Sure, St. Anger wasn't great, but I've heard worse. (the part in Frantic where everything stops except the bass, playing that good ol' riff. :))


That aside, changing styles to something already developed (main stream) isn't creative.

When Metallica played thrash, it was also already developed (I think).

And either way, creativity ain't everything! TBH I don't care if a band isn't 100% original, if they're really good at what they do.

[h0bgawblin]

And either way, creativity ain't everything! TBH I don't care if a band isn't 100% original, if they're really good at what they do.

I agree, and that's not what I was trying to say. Was just trying to disprove his arguement. His reply was right on too. I was speachless and couldn't argue with it. I am still pissed that thier stuff isn't as good as it was when it first came out though. Master of puppets was sooooooo good.

Here is his reply

Wow, someone willing to stick by their guns, thats rare. Anyway, its like this...

#1. I never said you had to 'lessen technicality' to make an improvement to ones music. A song can be just as good or greater than previous works dependant on the content of the song. You say Unforgiven is a peice of art & and it was made for mainstream...my point exactly.

#2. Metallica didnt stay in the same genre...they branched out to heavy rock, country and nu-metal. Eg, the memory remains, mama said and st.anger.

#3. Evolution = a development or change. Mainstream may have already been a developed genre in regards to rock music, but it was an area Metallica themselves had never delved into before. In fact their music was anti-mainstream and because they endeavoured & developed outside of metal into different areas, thats what classifies it as an evolution, as opposed to 'selling out' for wealth & fame.

#4. 'changing styles to something already developed isnt creative' Well, it is, because you're steeping out from the norm and producing something that is new to you. Creativity comes from the individuals making the art. They could have stayed heavy metal and made another 4 or 5 ...and justice for all's...but that would show no expansion outside of the comfort zone. Its like someone going from playing basket-ball to golf...neither is easy for someone who goes from being really good at one and then having to learn how to play the other.

#5. Metallica dominated mainstream as well as the non-commercialized heavy metal scene, and that is a testament to their versatility and their capability in handling and being good at more than one genre.

Sorry about the novel legnth reply, but I really need to get that one through