My teachers wife has cancer

[NightElfking]

My teacher Pastor Whal is going through a rough time (yes he's a pastor. I go to a lutheran school).
His wife was dignosed with an extremely rare form of breast cancer. It's a very rare and serious form of it. Instead of being a lump, it's a huge mass of cancer that has already infected her upper body.
Luckily they can still perform chemo. She went in for her first treatment yesterday. So as of right now, it's not completely serious. She'll start losing her hair around Sunday (typical). So Pastor decided that on Saturday, his wife's brother and his wife are gonna have a shaving party. lol
I just hope everything goes okay in the end. Keep him in your prayers.

[TheBB]

Doesn't it make more sense to keep her in my prayers? Anyway, I don't pray, but that doesn't mean I don't wish her well.

Also, there's something strange about that shaving party, but I'll leave it. :P

[Thedutchjelle]

Gl i guess?


And..
You actually care about your teachers..

When a few years ago the mother of my German teacher got badly sick, we all hoped so would stay that way because we had no German lessons anymore for the time being.
I do care about the good teachers though, i just friggin hate German/French

[Yoda]

Nobody should dislike one of their school teachers enough to "not care" if they had cancer. :shiftyr:

I'll add him and her in my prayers.... I hope things go well.

[Protosschick99]

My teacher Pastor Whal is going through a rough time (yes he's a pastor. I go to a lutheran school).
His wife was dignosed with an extremely rare form of breast cancer. It's a very rare and serious form of it. Instead of being a lump, it's a huge mass of cancer that has already infected her upper body.
Luckily they can still perform chemo. She went in for her first treatment yesterday. So as of right now, it's not completely serious. She'll start losing her hair around Sunday (typical). So Pastor decided that on Saturday, his wife's brother and his wife are gonna have a shaving party. lol
I just hope everything goes okay in the end. Keep him in your prayers.

Thank you for letting us know! I can assure you that there are more Christians/Catholics (Ppl that pray, whatever you wanna add in there :P) present here then we know.

I will definately keep your teacher in my prayers :) Expect a PM from me :) Be blessed!

[GenocideAlive]

Why did God give her cancer?

[Protosschick99]

God didn't give her cancer. Be quiet and stop trying to start drama. This is about the Pastor's wife--Not religious debate.

[Zeltaris]

Why did God give us GenocideAlive?

[GenocideAlive]

God didn't give her cancer. Be quiet and stop trying to start drama. This is about the Pastor's wife--Not religious debate.
What religious debate? God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-seeing. If his pastor's wife got cancer, it's only because god permitted it. I just wanted to know why.

[Ubergopher]

You know what GA, I was going to post this extremely long winded post that you'd probably dissect and take out of context to make me look like a raving idiot, so I'm not going to. What it boils down to is though that God IS all knowing, all powerful, and all seeing, and we aren't so while I'm sure there is some reason He is letting her and her family go through this ordeal, but I don't (and almost everyone else for that matter) pretend to know His plan.

Oh and they'll be in my prayers.

[Frattimonde]

Why did God give us GenocideAlive? I agree ^^

[Spartan-II]

GA beat me to it. :/

God will take care of it. And if he doesn't, it was meant for her to die.

PRAISE GAWD.

My assholish post aside - Cancer is a tough thing to deal with. Several family members and friends of mine have died from Cancer. Honestly, if the cancer was so serious I would forgo Chemo and live my life to it's fullest.

My condolences to your teacher, he'll have to watch his wife slowly waste away.. that's a fate I don't wish upon anyone.

[GenocideAlive]

What it boils down to is though that God IS all knowing, all powerful, and all seeing, and we aren't so while I'm sure there is some reason He is letting her and her family go through this ordeal, but I don't (and almost everyone else for that matter) pretend to know His plan.
Well, that sucks. He could be all Soylent Green and you guys wouldn't know. Doesn't seem wise to put all your faith blindly into something you don't understand.

[Spartan-II]

Step 1 - God creates man.

Step 2 - ????

Step 3 - Profit.


The only thing I place faith in is myself. Honestly, in the real world, the only person you can ever trust or rely upon is yourself. When you put 'faith' in god, you're basically trusting that aspect of your life to luck. God won't do anything.

We're sorry to hear about your teachers wife, but you should have left out the religious overtones. Mentioning he was a Pastor was probably far enough, because as you can see this has erupted into another religion based topic.

[Protosschick99]

It's because ppl get crazy. When they don't have to. He just asked for prayer, that's all. He's new so give him a break :P

And if ya'llz understood the character of God--You would know that He does not give us diseases. He does not delight in placing us in harmful situations or anything that would mess with our health or well being.

There are many reasons why that cancer could have flared up. Number one, is this woman taking care of her body? Number two, does it run in the family?

When you figure out the root of the issue, then action can be taken to get that thing outta her :D

[Spartan-II]

And if ya'llz understood the character of God--You would know that He does not give us diseases. He does not delight in placing us in harmful situations or anything that would mess with our health or well being.

God created the world, therefor he created disease. Therefor the disease he created kills us. Sounds like he gave us disease.

When you figure out the root of the issue, then action can be taken to get that thing outta her :D Root = God.

[TheListener]

Okay, great, leave it to the GA and Spartan-II to turn any thread, however remote of any religious context into a 'WAI DID GAWD GIF US DA PAYNE AND CANCERS!!???' argument.

Seriously, this isn't about religion, it's about a man and a woman, and the woman has cancer. So either give your condolences or offer some sort of insight but don't be a jerk and turn this thread into something it wasn't meant to be.

[Protosschick99]

God created the world, therefor he created disease. Therefor the disease he created kills us. Sounds like he gave us disease.

Root = God.

So because He created bacteria He kills us? How about no.

He created man. He created bacteria/disease.

This disease called cancer is unlike any other disease out there. Cancer happens because of several reasons. This person was exposed to radiation, they weren't taking care of their body, they are out smoking or drinking consistently at an unhealthy level, or this gene mutation just happens to run in the family.

This gene mutation can stop if ppl will only give supernatural healing a chance.

Satan likes to take things that the Lord created and twist them around for evil. Bacteria was created for balance, but of course you catch it and you get sick.

Try taking care of yourself and using wisdom and things like this won't happen. But if it does, do what you can in the natural to take care of it. Going to chemo is not "against" the will of God or your faith. Everyone is at a different level when it comes to faith.

And whether ya'llz realize it or not--Everyone has faith. No matter what :)

[Spartan-II]

If God is responsible for the world, he is responsible for disease, pestilence, famine, death, and war. It's great when Christians give all of their credit to God when they do something well, but when bad things happen you can rarely find his named except in the 'Jeebus save us' context.

I gave my condolences to both, I just have a natural inclination to point out the flaws in religion because I am technically one of the 'fallen'. I turned from religion because I realized it was a crutch I didn't need. Personal strength will out do religious fervor every time. I am sorry to hear about her cancer, but i'm not going to pretend to be something i'm not.

Leave it to TheListener to make broad generalizations about people he barely knows, and with such limited experience on WarBoards.

PC: And yet god created every one of those things, if you believe in Christianity. God created all of the things that afflict man. He created Satan. He is responsible for all the pain and suffering of man.

Also, would you put your trust in supernatural healing if you had cancer? Do you trust supernatural healing for severe internal injuries? If you ruptured a kidney, would you pray to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit to heal you?

I have faith in myself, and in my fellow man. I will not blindly trust something that I cannot see, feel, or experience somehow. I will no let an invisible hand guide me through life while my mind screams in protest.

Give credit where credit is due.

[Protosschick99]

He created it, but He handed authority over to man in the beginning.

You know what I just need to stop. I don't want to fight with ya'llz. I like you guys :D

EDIT: Now you make me sound stupid after editting your post :P To answer your question--Yes I would believe God for Divine healing. I know that it belongs to me. But at the same time I would get myself to a hospital and not be stupid and wait around unless the Lord told me to :P

Anywayz, I hope all goes well for that woman and her husband :)

[DarkMirror]

My second best friends dad has throat cancer.
:(

[NightElfking]

Despite the fact that this has turned into a religious argument a bit, I appreciate everyone's prayers, or well wishes, or whatever your giving.

I hope it goes well. I lost a friend recently (well if you consider 4 months recently) to cancer. i dont want to lose another. Mrs. Wahl is cooler than her husband anyway:D!

"He created Satan. He is responsible for all the pain and suffering of man."
Satan turned aganist God of his own will. God had nothing to do about it. He did create Satan, but Satan turned aganist him. So it's really Satan's fault.

"Also, would you put your trust in supernatural healing if you had cancer? Do you trust supernatural healing for severe internal injuries? If you ruptured a kidney, would you pray to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit to heal you?"
Course I would.
But I wouldn't be an idiot and wait for God. I'd get my ass over to a Hospital ASAP. God will either use super natrual power to heal me, or work through the Doctors. Remember it is written:
"Thou shall not put thy Lord thy God to the test"

Oh and I have a story for you. My teacher Mrs. Craven has told me about a person who she knew personally and had cancer throughout his entire body. One day he was just healed. The cancer was all dead.
Dont ever tell me that divine healing isn't possible.

Okay can we please get back to the thread?

[Spartan-II]

Anecdotal evidence rocks, because there's really no way to disprove it.

Anyway, best of luck to your Pastor and his wife in their times of trouble.

I have to go. :]

[Yoda]

I'm surprised that people have actually bothered answering GA's attempt to turn this into an off-topic flame war.

Let's try to have sincere condolances for someone who has cancer? I think that's the idea of this thread, perhaps?

[B.A.Baracus]

People suffer because we become bored in a utopia. Look what happened last time we had a utopia, the clueless, unknowing flawed fools inhabiting that utopia ate the delicious tempting forbidden fruit pushed in their faces. It just doesn't work, so god gives us flesh eating viruses, burn victims, child molestation/murder, & mass genocide/suicide to keep us interested and on our toes.
That way when we come to grip with this harsh reality and just live out our lives on our own terms doing what we need to get by, we still have eternal damnation to look forward too for not following a fanatical morality system.
What was my point again? Oh yes, there was none.

[h0bgawblin]

Hm, my personal belief is that man has been left to thier own devices and god has not been with us for some time. My belief in god has wavered greatly considering it's fanatics, but there was a time when I believed strongly and prospered from it. Also, certain incodents that I have experienced make it difficult for me to simply toss the notion aside. Either way, my beliefs are irrelivant, to this woman. I wish her the best of luck.

On the side note of religion, why start this arguement? If someone is trying to convert you, then I understand. However, with no provocation, I find it difficult to accept someone insulting someone elses beliefs. Random persecution of someones beliefs is hardly fair.

[NightElfking]

Well with humanity's sin, I could see why God wouldn't want to be with us.

I'm still wondering why he hasn't zapped me from exitense yet?
The answer: Jesus of course.

But yeah sometimes when you take a look an ur life and how it's been, you begin to wonder if ur really who God wants to be.

Umm well, that's it. No updates on his wife yet. I'll keep you posted.

[TheListener]

Cancer is not fun.
I knew this 8 year old kid that lived down the street from me that died.
Sad as anything.

[GenocideAlive]

I'm surprised that people have actually bothered answering GA's attempt to turn this into an off-topic flame war.
What can I say, I guess those that don't believe in prayer and religious bravado like to get a chance to speak their mind. And I have no wish to start any flame war, I'm just curious as to why God gets all the credit but none of the blame.

The items I've seen thus far:

God creates a rabid festering disease mongered dog.

God creates a man right next to the dog.

God "turns authority over to man".

Man is horribly mutiliated and nearly killed by rabid dog.

God: "The dog did it".

Praise Jesus. If God is all-knowing and all-seeing, He would have known that Satan would bring misery upon humans when He created him. He has the power to stop Satan, but he chooses to not do so for his own reasons, to which no-one has insight. We have something in our law books about that, I think it's called "Criminal Negligence" and "Accessory to the Fact".

Anyway, if you truly want a thread where you can offer Christian prayer and condolences to your fellow man without interruption from non-believers, permit me to find you an appropriate website: http://www.christianforums.com/

[NightElfking]

What can I say, I guess those that don't believe in prayer and religious bravado like to get a chance to speak their mind. And I have no wish to start any flame war, I'm just curious as to why God gets all the credit but none of the blame.

The items I've seen thus far:

God creates a rabid festering disease mongered dog.

God creates a man right next to the dog.

God "turns authority over to man".

Man is horribly mutiliated and nearly killed by rabid dog.

God: "The dog did it".

Praise Jesus. If God is all-knowing and all-seeing, He would have known that Satan would bring misery upon humans when He created him. He has the power to stop Satan, but he chooses to not do so for his own reasons, to which no-one has insight. We have something in our law books about that, I think it's called "Criminal Negligence" and "Accessory to the Fact".

Anyway, if you truly want a thread where you can offer Christian prayer and condolences to your fellow man without interruption from non-believers, permit me to find you an appropriate website: http://www.christianforums.com
Thanks man.

[Protosschick99]

Don't go there. That place is BAD.

I would know, I frequent there as Preacherchick99.

Seriously--You have to really find the right ppl. CF isn't one of them :(

[GenocideAlive]

XD

I can't express how funny I find PC's post.

Oh my god...hahahaha...

Jeez...

hehehehehehehehehehehheheheheheheheh...

[Protosschick99]

Yeah it's wierd seeing me go, "DON'T GO TO CHRISTIAN FORUMS!!! IT IS OF T3H DEVIL!!!!!!!" lolz :P

[Ubergopher]

That threw my day into chaos when I read it.

[Thedutchjelle]

Yeah it's wierd seeing me go, "DON'T GO TO CHRISTIAN FORUMS!!! IT IS OF T3H DEVIL!!!!!!!" lolz :P

Nah, you did weirder things in your life.

[Leosam096]

I'm praying for your teacher's wife. :)

[Yoda]

Lolz.

PC, I've looked at Christianforums a few times and decided not to register. :)

GA, the point is that this thread was made to offer sympathy. Not start a debate; you can make your own thread if you want to do that.

[GenocideAlive]

DON'T GO TO CHRISTIAN FORUMS
Seriously, you have to admit that it is weird. But then, they're always threatening to ban you there for being pushy and "holier than thou".

...which really kicks the weirdness up a few notches. O_o
GA, the point is that this thread was made to offer sympathy. Not start a debate; you can make your own thread if you want to do that.
Or I can post in this one and you can drink a nice, tall glass of shut the fuck up.

[TinyDancer]

Hahahaha...I like how PC says it's bad, and then says she frequents it.

I registered there a long time ago just so I could read some of the posts..they have so much shit that doesn't even make sense. It's insane.

[Leosam096]

I just post in the Welcome Section. A long time ago that is.
All the other sub-forums in CF are pretty absurd. :(

[xodkrm]

One of my tight buddy's mom has tit cancer.
It sucks.

She shaves her head, and looks awefully pale.
:(

[NightElfking]

My grandma had lung cancer before and that was recent. Luckly she has got all the treatments so the cancer is gone. I'm serious! It's gone. Though she really didn't like the fact on losing her hair. So we bought her a wig :D!
Thank God my grandma is the healthest old lady I ever seen. One time she had gotten a 99% blockage in her artries so she went to the hosptial. She got out the same day!
Ironically that was the first time she ever went in the hosptial now that I think about it.
Well that blows. I got in the hosptial like four months ago and I'm only 17! DAMMIT!:mad2: My grandma beat me by 70 years!:concern:

Hosptial rooms suck! Dont ever land in a hosptial! The food sucks and the bed's leave your back itching for hours!

Anyway, Pastor Wahl's wife is fine. She has gone through her second treatment. So far so good.

[Leosam096]

Wow, that's great to hear. I've heard testimonies from these kinds of people also. Man, it's great hearing good news.

[Protosschick99]

Seriously, you have to admit that it is weird. But then, they're always threatening to ban you there for being pushy and "holier than thou".

...which really kicks the weirdness up a few notches. O_o


I can handle it. I've only been threatened three times, lolz. (Consider me the Christian GA :P) And they did not say I was holier than thou. They get all stupid if you're sarcastic. One guy told me I was going to hell because I was in debt with my school bills.

So I was like, "Wow I'm such an EVIL NASTY JEZEBEL aren't I?" And they took that sentence outta proportion and gave me an infraction.

Then these ppl were goin' around condemning ppl all retarded so I said, "Wow. The spirit of stupid is just everywhere today isn't it?"

They got mad and reported me because I called them "stupid", lolz.

Another time mods were being unfair and they were breaking the rules in which they were "supposed" to enforce, so I called them on it and they busted out this stupid rule:

Rule 563 section A line 48 clearly states that you will not discuss staff actions in public!

Of course I'm over exagerating the numbers but still--CF is bugging me. Little by little I am not posting there as much. I would not recommend that place to new Christians. Seasoned ones, yes--New Christians--No.

Anywayz, NEK, glad to hear she's doing better! :D

[GenocideAlive]

Well, I'm not one to quote the contents of a PM in public. However, I will remind you that the post you sent to me that was in response to one of those loonies' accusations included a tidbit that supports my "holier than thou" remark. Otherwise, yes, I would think that those people are overly sensitive to criticism. It's not uncommon for people to use Christianity for a variety of their personal goals in regard to manipulation.

[Protosschick99]

Oh that's right--My bad GA. They did tell me that. >.<

[Neo]

Anecdotal evidence rocks, because there's really no way to disprove it.

Anyway, best of luck to your Pastor and his wife in their times of trouble.

I have to go. :]

Pfft. There are plenty of well-documented cases of people "being healed" (For lack of a better term).

Though I don't really look toward medical (or otherwise) miracles =p Though doctors piss me off. The coupled times I've been, most recently, I'm still in debt, owing money I don't have over a horrible sickness that they didn't even fix for me (Their answer was to prescribe me inch long fat pills... problem being that my throat was so bad that I couldn't swallow my own saliva -- and I couldn't actually stop salivating for like 3-4 days straight) ...

Right.

Anyways, my grandmother had to have her breast removed due to an abnormal growth, though I thank God occasionally (hey, if he does exist, it can't hurt right?) that it wasn't anything more serious.

I don't have a problem with supernatural healing and the like, however, relying solely on it alone is something that really grates my nerves.

-Neo

[GenocideAlive]

I don't have a problem with supernatural healing and the like, either.

I think that we should abolish Medicaid and switch over to Faith Healing.

[Protosschick99]

If everyone had their faith developed up to that point I'm sure that would be no problem. But a lot of ppl have it engrained into their minds that they cannot be healed by a being they cannot see :(

[NightElfking]

Pfft. There are plenty of well-documented cases of people "being healed" (For lack of a better term).

Though I don't really look toward medical (or otherwise) miracles =p Though doctors piss me off. The coupled times I've been, most recently, I'm still in debt, owing money I don't have over a horrible sickness that they didn't even fix for me (Their answer was to prescribe me inch long fat pills... problem being that my throat was so bad that I couldn't swallow my own saliva -- and I couldn't actually stop salivating for like 3-4 days straight) ...

Right.

Anyways, my grandmother had to have her breast removed due to an abnormal growth, though I thank God occasionally (hey, if he does exist, it can't hurt right?) that it wasn't anything more serious.

I don't have a problem with supernatural healing and the like, however, relying solely on it alone is something that really grates my nerves.

-Neo
Me too.
I do rely on God. But I should get to a Hosptial if something like this happens. God wont do everything. If he wants to, He'll heal you. Most of the time, he'll work through the doctors.

So dont always expect that God will heal you magically each time. Those people I think have to accomplish something for him first before they go home with him. Or God is just doing that for the heck of it. Make sure your in a Hosptial. God will work through them.

Anyway I had to fix the time zone on my profile so if it looks different, dont worry.

[IrishDutchman]

If he wants to, He'll heal you. Most of the time, he'll work through the doctors.


Then how do you explain atheist doctors? :P

[NightElfking]

Then how do you explain atheist doctors? :P
They dont have to be Chirstian for him not to use them. He'll still work through them. They just don't know it.

Why dont you go to a church and ask a Pastor? He could provide with you with a better answer.

[GenocideAlive]

They dont have to be Chirstian for him not to use them. He'll still work through them. They just don't know it.
Um, wow. That doesn't sound much like free will to me.

[Protogod]

My teacher Pastor Whal is going through a rough time (yes he's a pastor. I go to a lutheran school).
His wife was dignosed with an extremely rare form of breast cancer. It's a very rare and serious form of it. Instead of being a lump, it's a huge mass of cancer that has already infected her upper body.

Did she not-pray right? Regardless, I'll think of her the next time I'm in church.

[Yoda]

Is it possible to give us more updates, NightElfKing?

[SuiCidAl-KiSmEt]

Maybe you should read this:
In my Confirmation Class an ex-atheist came in as a guess, since a little girl, stopped believing Christianity when she started questioning Jesus and the weird stories he had done. She said, when she was too tired and depressed and the in a time of need, she one day started praying at one time. She said she suddenly overwhelmed, great experience and comforted and started felt like she should start believing again. A few years later, when she had a son, he was already dying or unhealthy by the time he was a kid. He had to take a special inhaler everyday. All was doing ok for long while until suddenly his health grown worse, she prayed again. Her son gotten better after she had a claim to hear God or had a strong feeling after she prayed, that he was to stop taking his inhaler, which she said the doctors would never recommended and neither did she. Though, she taken the advice and afterwards, she claims her son's health is ok and healthier. And that she lives everyday with her children and with prayer to this day.

Just thought to share a story in the power of prayer and raise spirits to those who are actually supporting the teacher.

[NightElfking]

Is it possible to give us more updates, NightElfKing?
Yes actually.
She is gonna go through her third treatment in a few days.
So far, she is taking them quite well so spirts our pretty up as of right now.

[GenocideAlive]

Maybe you should read this:
I did so. Now do me a favor and read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

Pay special attention to the passages that read:

Misuse of anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy) and is sometimes informally referred to as the "person who" fallacy ("I know a person who..."; "I know of a case where..." etc.[/URL]). Anecdotal evidence is not necessarily typical; [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical"]statistical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization) evidence can more accurately determine how typical something is.

Anecdotal evidence is often unscientific or pseudoscientific (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience) because various forms of cognitive bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias) may affect the collection or presentation of evidence. For instance, someone who claims to have had an encounter with a supernatural being or alien may present a very vivid story, but this is not falsifiable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability). This phenomenon can also happen to large groups of people through subjective validation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_validation).

Anecdotal evidence is also frequently misinterpreted via the availability heuristic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic), which leads to an overestimation of prevalence. Where a cause can be easily linked to an effect, people overestimate the likelihood of the cause having that effect (availability). In particular, vivid, emotionally-charged anecdotes seem more plausible, and are given greater weight. A related issue is that it is usually impossible to assess for every piece of anecdotal evidence, the rate of people not reporting that anecdotal evidence in the population.

[Thedutchjelle]

Once again, GA comes and pwns.

[Protogod]

*Applauds*
After that anecdotal evidence I felt like converting. Then GA came and beat the crap out of my retarded side. Then I was normal again.

Long story short - Atheism/GA pwn.

[NightElfking]

Everyone does know that the whole point of Chirstanity is to save people's souls right?
I mean cmon, if God and Jesus dont exist, and neither does Satan, what's the point of living? Are accomplishments will never get us anywhere because in the end, we die and that's it. We dont benefit from our works, only the people who use them benefit. And then die in the end. Everything we were to do just results in death and dont mean crap. I mean will never live long enough to have our heads live in jars; just like in Futurama (lol). We'll die and that's it.
Kind of a grim way of looking at it and very depressing for that matter, but that's how it would be if Chirstanity didn't exist. At least through this you have hope for the future and can look for a life after of death.
Besides in Heaven, I can walk through walls and teleport.
SWWWWWEEEEEEEET!!!!:)
Then again, why would I need to walk through walls If I could teleport?

This thread is really turning into a religion argument thread rather than on Pastor Wahl's wife. Cmon we should show some support. Not to mention the fact Pastor Wahl doesn't have any legs (I'm serious, his legs are fake. He said he would show us by taking off his leg sometime in class at the request of the students. Alex always has to be so curious).
His wife is going for her Third Kemo today.

[GenocideAlive]

Everyone does know that the whole point of Chirstanity is to save people's souls right?
I mean cmon, if God and Jesus dont exist, and neither does Satan, what's the point of living? Are accomplishments will never get us anywhere because in the end, we die and that's it. We dont benefit from our works, only the people who use them benefit. And then die in the end. Everything we were to do just results in death and dont mean crap. I mean will never live long enough to have our heads live in jars; just like in Futurama (lol). We'll die and that's it.
Kind of a grim way of looking at it and very depressing for that matter, but that's how it would be if Chirstanity didn't exist. At least through this you have hope for the future and can look for a life after of death.
Besides in Heaven, I can walk through walls and teleport.
First, the word is "Chemo", not "Kemo". "Chemo" is short for Chemotherapy, which is basically a cocktail of various drugs designed to kill actively growing cells (e.g., cancer cells). I realize that you're all about prayer and all that, but this person's spouse is a preacher and he has the sense to take her to a doctor. You can post another story of miracle healing, but clearly you and your leaders don't take it seriously when the chips are down.

Second, just because you can't find motivation without Big Brother doesn't mean that he exists. I know it sounds crazy, but imagine living like a Christian without a God. You want to help people, make yourself a better person, and improve the world because it's the socially responsible thing to do, rather than because some omnipotent vengeful psychotic will throw you in a fiery pit of not-burning. It's sort of like "hey, if we're going to make it, we need to work together" rather than "do what the Bible says so you can go to the land of unending harmonic existance". What's so appealing about streets of gold, anyway? I like streets of concrete, myself.

Third, if you don't want to argue about Christianity, don't. Posting a bunch of drivel designed to malign aethism to those Christians that are ignorant is going to generate responses on the topic of religion.

[Protogod]

Kind of a grim way of looking at it and very depressing for that matter, but that's how it would be if Chirstanity didn't exist. At least through this you have hope for the future and can look for a life after of death.

appeal-to-emotion (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-emotion.html)

Unfavorable outcomes dont mean something is untrue. Furthermore, many people are rounded enough to find a meaning of life within life itself, rather than being such a transparent tool that they need an outside force just to make them live.

[ScottieIWU]

appeal-to-emotion (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-emotion.html)

Unfavorable outcomes dont mean something is untrue. Furthermore, many people are rounded enough to find a meaning of life within life itself, rather than being such a transparent tool that they need an outside force just to make them live.Not quite the way I'd have put it, but it works.

Anyway, GA and proto didn't leave out anything between the two, so yeah, I just want to chime in my agreement at that horrible demonization of the atheist views.

[NightElfking]

Well Pastoe Wahl has left Luther East.
He only works at the school part time. He has a pastor job, remember.

At least he can now keep a better eye on his wife. So it's a good thing.

I'm gonna miss him. Hope he teaches Theology next year so I'm stuck with him again.

Only bad part about him is he makes us write a doctrinal summary every week.

[GenocideAlive]

http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/jesus_is_my_health_insurance

Jesus, the real health care provider.

[Ahzz]

yes indeed. My fathers friends sisters husbands sons friends mother also has cancer.

[Protogod]

My grandparents get the onion, GA. It's my all time favorite newspaper, shortly followed by the chicago tribune.

[NightElfking]

THis thread can be considered good as dead. I'm out of school now so I am no longer able to ask Pastor Whal about his wife.

Unless you want me to change the thread so it hangs around a bit longer, an adminstrator may as well close it.