Vista, is it really worth it? [Archive]

Shortyland05

04-10-2007, 5:05 AM

I went through all the trouble of partitioning my Primary 80 gig HDD into 2 pieces to dual boot XP and Vista... and after an afternoon of Vista I am deeply disappointed.

Not only was there many driver issues like my sound, graphics, network, chipset, etc... but it was generally slower than XP.

To back up these claims that XP is still better than Vista, here a link to Toms Hardware Guides to Vista vs XP

Start
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/

Applications = bad performance
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/page6.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/page7.html

Games = bad perfomance
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/page4.html

Conclusion = bad performance
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/page11.html

The ONLY thing it was good at was encoding!
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/page5.html

So as your reading this I am re-joining my HDD and going back to XP

BAD VISTA! BAD!

EvilEmpire

04-10-2007, 5:18 AM

Too early to judge... And 'it was slower' maybe cos of your machine?

Dayoh

04-10-2007, 5:42 AM

wasnt there a thread somewhere around here already bagging out vista?
I have vista it runs fine, faster then Xp and it woks for me.
U dont have to get it, so stop trying to influence others...

Shortyland05

04-10-2007, 6:00 AM

And 'it was slower' maybe cos of your machine?

I have an Athlon 64 3500+, a 6600gt, a gig of dual channel ram, an 80 gig Harddrive (with another 250 sata2)... so I think my machine CAN handle it thank you very much

and also, what machine do you have dayoh? have you installed FRAPS (a frames per second measuring software) and run Unreal Tournament 2004 with XP and Vista? Also, check the links...

Dayoh

04-10-2007, 6:20 AM

and also, what machine do you have dayoh? have you installed FRAPS (a frames per second measuring software) and run Unreal Tournament 2004 with XP and Vista? Also, check the links...

i dont have UT:04....

Heres mine:
Intel Core 2 Duo 6400 @ 2.13GHz 2.13GHz
RAM - 1023GB
150GB HD
Graphics Geforce 7600GS (256MB)

i know what FPS stands for...

Shortyland05

04-10-2007, 7:01 AM

heh, sorry if it seemed like I flamed ya... its just that im really pissed at microsoft at the mo...

and you have a pretty good machine there ;) , I don't think it would make much difference for ya if you did do a comparison on your computer...

Toucan

04-10-2007, 7:59 AM

I had Vista up until last night when I re-formatted my machine and put XP back on.
It has some features I really like, I love the way windows explorer sorts itself in to virtual folders, very easy to find stuff. In fact I have to admit I was mostly happy with it.
The problem is I guess I just have too many toys, little pieces of software I like to have for what ever reason and many of them won’t run under Vista....... Yet.
So I will probably put it back on in about 12 months.

Shortyland05

04-10-2007, 8:06 AM

yea, I liked the Eye candy...

its just that it sucked that they kicked out OpenGL of Vista (and also the fact that not much supports it and that its not easy to 'pretend activate' ;) )

kongurous

04-10-2007, 8:53 AM

Fun fact; 6600 GTs absolutely suck nowadays. Get a 7600, they're Vista-compatible.

As for performance tests, just look at the first 3 months of XP's release. There were driver issues, it was slow, and everyone was belly-aching that it wouldn't be as good as the other Operating Systems. Sound familiar? Without people willing to find and report the bugs and if everyone has the attitude that they'll buy it when it's bug free, guess what? It'll never be bug free. With the complexity and variety of modern computers and the complexity of an Operating System, it's nearly (and practically) impossible for an in-house team to test every conceivable problem. That's why we're here; to help make sure it's made perfect.

Now shut the fuck up. You interrupted my breakfast.

IrishDutchman

04-10-2007, 12:15 PM

Now shut the fuck up. You interrupted my breakfast.

You eat your breakfast behind your computer?

Darmago

04-10-2007, 12:43 PM

You eat your breakfast behind your computer?

How else did he get 9k posts.

EvilEmpire

04-10-2007, 4:35 PM

You eat your breakfast behind your computer?
Erm doesn't everybody? :shiftyr:
I mean.. How ppl watch Family Guy, Scrubs or Prison Break? ON TV?!?!

Lock n load?

TimP

04-10-2007, 5:46 PM

A lot of information about Vista has been slowly making its way to the surface since its release and it actually is looking better. UAC (love it or hate it) does a lot to keep your box from getting owned, no matter how tech savvy you think you are. It finally makes it feasible to run as a user instead of running as admin all the time. Features like ASLR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization) are really cool, too. My computer is over two years old now, so I don't want to blow my Vista activation on it, but I look forward to installing it on my next machine.

Shortyland05

04-10-2007, 9:35 PM

once the gaming benchmarks between xp and vista swing to vista, THEN ill reconsider

and also note this, I will never waste money on windows, never have never will

TimP

04-10-2007, 10:19 PM

and also note this, I will never waste money on windows, never have never will

Way to stick it to the man. :rolleyes:

DoctorZettabyte

04-11-2007, 6:34 PM

Hmmm.....well, after making some notes on the subject, here's what I got.
If I want a Mac, I'll buy a Mac. Windows should not look like a Mac. Seriously. Gadgets? Huh? 3d-ness like Mac OS 10? Eh?
Really, Vista isn't that giant a leap forward, but its a step in the right direction...I like XP Professional better. It just seems more versatile, and Vista seems incapacitated next to it. Few games can run on it, and even then most are buggy and don't run very quickly. Eh, maybe It's just me on my old PIII, but I'm sticking with XP for a while.
And yes, I have finally proven (at least to myself) that compatibility mode does function for at least one proggy Descent: Freespace. Had to reinstall, wouldn't detect OGL under XP, did on 95 compatiblity mode.
Also, one last note, since this is Vista related. My friend claims he can get Vista running on a PII without any hacks. He said something about disabling a buncha stuff. He also claims that it could theoretically be installed on Macs, and even PI's. Any verification? (I Really doubt it, not w/o a high-end PII or a massive overclock.)

-DocTera

kongurous

04-11-2007, 6:50 PM

I've run every one of my programs under Vista perfectly. This is evidence enough to me that all your FPS and capability problems are the fault of your computer, not Vista's. Vista looks like Mac? Huh?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Windows_Vista_Desktop.png Vista
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/TigerDesk.png OSX

I'm not seeing a huge similarity. Gadgets = widgets? Oh get over yourself, Mac wasn't the first with widgets. I just love how everyone is getting on Vista because of 'well-known facts' which are actually just over-used bullshit arguments which usually have no foundation. Hate Vista for philosophical or security reasons, in the words of our very own Modred, but hating it cus "it looks like Mac" doesn't work.

DoctorZettabyte

04-11-2007, 7:00 PM

I never said that I hated Vista because of the visuals. Sure, I wish that they would look a little more original and innovative, but I wouldn't not buy Vista (if I could run it) because its supposeldy new graphics and UI looked sub-par compared to the 98-XP jump. I will definetley not buy Vista because of the price (I might as well get a PS3). That's the real ripoff here, even with a rebate.

-DocTera

Shortyland05

04-11-2007, 7:27 PM

heres Chris Pirillo speaking about Windows XP vs Windows Vista...
Chris is a power user and has 'friends' inside Microsoft, this talk about vista and xp are pretty good and I reccomend viewing it (even if it is about an hour).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HELrxLdP85c

TimP

04-11-2007, 8:55 PM

My friend claims he can get Vista running on a PII without any hacks. He said something about disabling a buncha stuff. He also claims that it could theoretically be installed on Macs, and even PI's. Any verification? (I Really doubt it, not w/o a high-end PII or a massive overclock.)

There's a difference between being able to install something and having something that's usable. I have no doubt that you can fool the installer into letting you install it on any machine that has the bare minimum amount of hardware requirements. Vista can run on Intel Macs through Boot Camp or on PowerPC Macs through Bochs or QEMU (slowly).

EDIT: Here's an article that was posted a while ago called the XP Minimal-Requirement-Test (http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm). XP requires a Pentium 1 or higher due to instruction set requirements. In the screenshots you can see when he tried using a 486, Windows complained about the CPUID and CMPXCHG8B instructions missing. Beyond the essential hardware features, Windows doesn't care how fast your processor is. He was able to clock his Pentium down to 7 MHz (not a typo), boot with 20MB of RAM, and still run XP. According to the table at the bottom it takes Windows XP 30 minutes to boot at 8 MHz.

SilverCrusader

04-11-2007, 9:23 PM

Vista is worth it, Direct X 10, and since you all seem to have gaming computers do you guys have Physx Accelerator cards... just curious...
Theres no way I would go to Vista though:
256 MB 6200 AGP 8x GeForce
1 gig DDR2 RAM
1 GHz AMD Athlon Processor
^with the minimum requirement being .95 GHz processing speed... I feel like keeping the games I play.

Shortyland05

04-11-2007, 9:29 PM

http://images.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/chart4.gif

nuff said,
and that was on the top of the line suff! :
Processor: Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800
Ram: 2x 1024 MB DDR2-800
Graphics: 512 MB GDDR3 HIS Radeon X1900XTX IceQ3

and Vista was running dx10 while xp was running dx9

;)

OboeGuru

04-11-2007, 9:31 PM

I will definetley not buy Vista because of the price (I might as well get a PS3). That's the real ripoff here, even with a rebate.

If you're a student, then you can get the Home Premium version of Vista for under $100. Read: something like $80 or less, depending on who you buy from. Where's the "ripoff"?

Shortyland05

04-11-2007, 9:34 PM

If you're a student, then you can get the Home Premium version of Vista for under $100. Read: something like $80 or less, depending on who you buy from. Where's the ripoff?

Why buy it when you can get it for free? ;), and then 'fiddle' with the time clock...

DoctorZettabyte

04-11-2007, 9:42 PM

Who says we're all students?

-DocTera

OboeGuru

04-11-2007, 10:18 PM

Why buy it when you can get it for free? ;), and then 'fiddle' with the time clock...

Because software piracy is illegal and you lose out on features by having a pirate copy of an operating system? Piracy is just plain idiotic.

Who says we're all students?

-DocTera
Doesn't matter. Your statement implied that Vista was a "ripoff" for people across the board, I just showed that that isn't the case. If you're not a student, then you don't get an academic discount, but the question instead centers on whether the upgrade really necessary and worth something to you.
If you're not a student, and your computer can't handle Vista, you have no business calling it a "ripoff", because you're really not in the target audience of the OS upgrade.

Dayoh

04-11-2007, 10:44 PM

If you're a student, then you can get the Home Premium version of Vista for under $100. Read: something like $80 or less, depending on who you buy from.

At certain TAFE's they give u Vista Home for free, but u have to give the disk back lol.

I will definetley not buy Vista because of the price (I might as well get a PS3). That's the real ripoff here, even with a rebate.

Yuck PS3 runs on Linux...

Seal

04-12-2007, 12:52 PM

this just in (http://apcmag.com/5835/vendors_in_no_rush_to_ditch_xp_for_vista)

Neo

04-12-2007, 1:07 PM

DX10 may also be getting ported to XP via those WINE guys, so there really is no need to switch to Vista atm.

However, the bull that is being put forth (VISTA IS BAD, IT MIMICS OSX, etc...) needs to stop. If you aren't willing to actually do your own research about this topic, then don't post as if you know what you are talking about.

I also love how Kong's post is simply ignored.

FYI: Vista looks nothing like Max OSX

-Neo

DoctorZettabyte

04-12-2007, 4:36 PM

What can I say? I'm just not a fan of Vista at the moment. As an OS, it just doesn't seem practical for me.
I run a lot of really old games from when I was younger, and I'd like to keep those functional. If I could upgrade to Vista, I wouldn't take it. XP is, for the most part, very stable, and runs both old and new stuff. Yeah, there's DOSBox, but my games aren't that old yet. They need a 98Box. So, I'll just stick with a single-core and a good copy of XP Pro. I'm not too trusting of all the newer stuff out there at this point. Once I can see solid benefits [benefits for me, not you] from it, I might reconsider.

-DocTera

Neo

04-12-2007, 6:00 PM