What could replace DotA?

[Blacker]

Hm?Which map type could replace DotA,DotA is popural for last 2 - 3 years,maybe 4.Will DotA ever DIE ?!

[uberfoop]

DotA only got popular when non-mediocre maps like ToB and Enfos stopped updating.

ToB's quality is shown by the fact that it's updates since 2003 have been primarily just bugfixes with new patches, yet people still play it on east.

It just so happens that ToB O has been getting work done for a while.

So if anything could at least reduce the popularity of DotA, it's prolly ToB O.

[PrestonBurke]

Better yet, Blackers awesome AOS map will replace DOTA.

[Dayoh]

DotA is popural for last 2 - 3 years,maybe 4.
By this time the online community for WC3 TFT/RoC will be dead for sure, the only thing keeping TFT Bnet alive is dota.

No map will replace DotA, theres too many DotA players and none of them will try other maps.

ToB isnt that great but this ToB O u speak of sounds interesting...

[uberfoop]

ToB O is the next version.

ps, ToB isn't that good? How much have u played man? It's EASILY the best AoS map EVER for wc3.


And there ARE loads of people who would switch to other maps if another not-crappy map got a burst of popularity and managed to hang on long enough to get a following. Assuming enough people campaign for a ToB popularity jump, and they time it so Icefrog releases another psycho update that messes up the dota balance incredibly and pisses off half the players, and you catch this at this unstable point, it MAY be able to get a hold on and become more-played-than-one-game-every-5-minutes-on-east again.

[Basan]

That ToB O means what, 'Foop? Tides of Blood Oblivion? :P
It would be nice to know... for us to search. ;)

[uberfoop]

OK, you are obviously too not-paying-attention-to-ToBN rate tob as ''not that great'. I heavily implied that O comes after N due to their letter version system; The current version, which has been there since '05, it .99N Beta. Next version will be ToB O. To get a first glimps of the pure hawtness, heres the new inquis model: click (http://wc3campaigns.net/showthread.php?t=92131)


And heres his portrait: click (http://wc3campaigns.net/showpost.php?p=911295&postcount=47)

[Basan]

When I 1st dl'ed my ToB it was directly from B.Net's mod pages (http://www.battle.net/mod/mapvault_archive1.shtml). And it was a loooong time ago.

[uberfoop]

lol, I think that was still TobNFinal, since it was 2005 that the most recent version was.

Bnet's description of the map is hillarious btw IMO.

You decide how the game evolves: amass resources to overwhelm the enemy defenses or obtain powerful items to turn your hero into an unstoppable force. Ultimate victory goes to the players who can eliminate their opponent's main base.

DotA description right there mb?

[Dayoh]

ps, ToB isn't that good? How much have u played man? It's EASILY the best AoS map EVER for wc3.

Ahh yer i have, heaps actually.

time it so Icefrog releases another psycho update that messes up the dota balance incredibly and pisses off half the players

Icefrog could do anything to dota and the players will remain, look at the -wtf mode like really whats the point of that. Im not a fan of dota/icefrog, so dont go calling me a lover of either.

EDIT: oh and you havent told us about ToB:O yet, im still brianstorming what "O" may stand for... Tides Of Blood: Orlando Bloom version ultimate final gold edition, sounds interesting...............

[Blacker]

When you pay little more attention,with little much work,I could make better map then DotA.You got right,because DotA is most popural map on B.net,no one we'll be interested in my map,because DotA "unseparated" for gamers!

[uberfoop]

EDIT: oh and you havent told us about ToB:O yet, im still brianstorming what "O" may stand for... Tides Of Blood: Orlando Bloom version ultimate final gold edition, sounds interesting...............
How many times must I repeat myself? The current version of ToB is N Final. Now, what comes after N? I said the next version was being worked on, I didn't say the project had been stolen.


I'm highly doubting you have played 'loads' of ToB if you don't know how the version classifications are laid out. Unless 'loads' means 5 or 6 games...

[Dayoh]

How many times must I repeat myself? The current version of ToB is N Final. Now, what comes after N? I said the next version was being worked on, I didn't say the project had been stolen.


i didnt mean any of that....I really dont know where u got that from, i have played the latest one its 99N final BETA, when did i accuse u of saying the project is stolen?

I'm highly doubting you have played 'loads' of ToB if you don't know how the version classifications are laid out. Unless 'loads' means 5 or 6 games...

Why would i bother to pay attention to the version anyway, the only that gets played is the beta one and its only played like once every 2 months, there are several things i dont like about ToB and DotA.

ToB
- Hiring the units is lame
- The map terrain itself is way to open
- Theres like no item recipees
- The items they have already is gay

DotA
-Loads of imba items/hero's

[uberfoop]

i didnt mean any of that....I really dont know where u got that from, i have played the latest one its 99N final BETA, when did i accuse u of saying the project is stolen?
You were emphasizing on 'what does the O stand for'. After implicating multiple times that it's simply a classification because it's after N in the alphabet, I though you would have cought on. When you started putting pretend classifications on the term O like it actually meant something, I was joking that you were saying it was stolen. Why? Because usually map titles only change between beta and non-beta (and tob has, for all practical purposes, been out of the beta for a long time, despite it's name) or when a map steal occurs. Map steal being the only option, and title changes so commonly associated with map steals, i thought you would have gotten the drift. Apparently I was wrong and you had, at the time, caught neither the classification drift nor the mapstealinglol drift. Sorry.







btw...A little assessment on what you said.


- Hiring the units is lame

Yet, essential for optimum gameplay. Every decent AoS has SOME type of hiring system. ToB tries to avoid using AI and/or combating with the game's systems, hence using the default system. I admit the tanks ARE a LITTLE imba, which has been brought up a billion times and will probably be adressed in ToB O. But as far as being lame, the tanks are the only thing I can think of, and a team of non-idiots can assass those without much trouble if some jerk tries to run off in one.


- The map terrain itself is way to open

It's no more open, fundamentally, than dota is, as far as travel goes. The intent for how ToB did it is to keep things in scale so that you can still use terrain block to your advantage but you don't end up with some retarted tank being like 'YOOU SHAALL NOOT PAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS' [insert Jimmy here].

IMO ToB has easily the best terrain ever. It's layout is perfect for gameplay, and the central temple is, for lack of other adjectives powerful enough to describe it, secsy.


- Theres like no item recipees

Possibly the most intentional thing ever. ToB specifically avoided recipes because they are at the heart of item imbalance-that you could turn 2 perfectly fine-balanced items into a supercondensed one. Recipe systems just make it so that if one team starts winning, they can just pound the other team into dust incredibly easily, getting worse over the course of the game. Why do u think people cry so much about feeding in DotA? Because the death system means that the slightest flaws in either hero picks or skill (usually hero picks) are blown waaay out of proportion by increasingly imba items throughout the course of the game. It's getting even worse now that the assault chain thingy is in DotA; it's basically a tier 5 item.


- The items they have already is gay

Compared to what map? Name me an imba item. Also name me a useless item (other than a few of the consumables, which I have to admit are just there to chill).




The reason I'm tearing apart your assessment of ToB is because it is, fundamentally, impossible for me to comprehend where your conclusions come from. The things you pointed out as bad are usually associated with the BEST aspects of ToB. Actually, the only major valid complaint that is accepted most places is that the game takes a really frikkin long time. Which is totally acceptable because it does. One time I had a ToB game drag on for 3 hours. But saying the terrain is too open? What are you even comparing that too? Look at dota, it's more open for movement but theres random sight blockers everywhere. Throws the balance just way off. ToB's terrain is open enough that you can move and see but closed so that terrain may be used to the advantage. And it can. Rather than turning a map into a you-cant-see-me-so-i-can-kill-you fest, it influences non-BSy battles over the entire map. And nobody can deny that the temple in the middle is the coolest looking thing ever. I'm serious though, the things you point out as 'gay' are the kinds of things that the map is played for because they acheive balance and gamepay rather than what most maps have, which is a wtfpwnage fest of proper hero picking where the game is decided in the first 45 seconds.
AotZ is probably the only other 'popular' AoS map which I exclude from the category which I'm bashing, because it's focus on good gameplay is similar. But if your going to say that certain aspects of a map which is, in the opinions of 90% of the people which have given it a good chance, amazing, are gay, have something to back it up because it just looks weird when you say that what are considered by many to be the best aspects of a well-known map are stupid, it looks weird



btw if you are wondering, I don't HATE DotA. It's not a BAD map. The reason I bash it is that everyone can relate to it and because it's only mediocre and therefore criticizable. If you want me to go over the bad aspects of ToB IMO in detail, because it isn't perfect, if you're interested, I will.





As for tob being only played once every 2 months, I play it all the time kthx. Maybe it's never played on lordaeron, and for good reason, those guys suck. But you can get a game at least every 10 minutes on azeroth depending on time of day. Faster if you can host.

[Dayoh]

caught neither the classification drift nor the mapstealinglol drift. Sorry.

KK

Yet, essential for optimum gameplay. Every decent AoS has SOME type of hiring system. ToB tries to avoid using AI and/or combating with the game's systems, hence using the default system. I admit the tanks ARE a LITTLE imba, which has been brought up a billion times and will probably be adressed in ToB O. But as far as being lame, the tanks are the only thing I can think of, and a team of non-idiots can assass those without much trouble if some jerk tries to run off in one.

its just say the tank for example u can hire, i dont think it really fits the theme very well, unless the theme is something different to what i think it may be.

IMO ToB has easily the best terrain ever. It's layout is perfect for gameplay, and the central temple is, for lack of other adjectives powerful enough to describe it, secsy.

its too easty to gank in it like u can pretty much move from one corner of the map to the next. The terrain for my next map will be similar (as in island style) to that of ToB so nuff said there :P.




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- The items they have already is gay


i meant to mean lack off, there isnt really many items in there but from what we have all seen from DotA recipees arent good, especially when u have like 70 of em.

Im at lord cause its close to my location, ToB is never played there, its all dota and some line wars maps.

Im not saying i hate it if i implied it, its just if its so good wouldnt there be heaps of people playing it instead heaps of people playing a medicore map like dota, if someone is going to dispute it check this out.

DotA boasts 70 plus unique hero's, loads of em are imba
DotA boasts heaps of item recipees, imba again
Where is the strategy required, oh wait i see what they mean, i pick hero Y, get these recipees and win.

with ToB they have a low hero count which is awesome, they should be balanced.
Im not sure about strategy, there really isnt any in any AoS maps.

[uberfoop]

ToB's not played because it stopped being updated. Unlike dota which has been consistantly updated via noob map-stealing.

Somehow this made DotA better, and I mean this seriously. Icefrog helped DotA out A LOT from the Guinsoo versions, although, to be realistic, a 19th century panhandler could probably improve DotA from the Guinsoo versions.


Like you said, it's what DotA 'boasts'. Too many noobs out there get wc3 just for DotA and never try anything else for more than like 3 games.


I have to partially agree with you on strat...ToB is a LITTLE better because you can be like 'hey, the 5 of us should go top and SH can be a little bisonskie on bottom to pressure them and make them feel sad' whereas dota, lacking expos, is more like 'HEY LOOK, REDS ON TOP LETS GET'EM'. 'CHAARRRGGGEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!'.
But there really isn't much of a difference. It's not like ToBs strategic advantage makes it into a game of chess. It usually comes down to who doesn't suck at micro and coordination with team in the end.

BTW theres not much of a lat problem for west people on east. At least in most ToB games there isn't. I wouldn't be suprised if a lot of the hosts are from the west coast.

[Dayoh]

Ill prolly move over to anouther server and start mass hosting my new map when its rdy lol.

I only played like one of the guinsoo versions, Icefrog has made DotA "better" by making it BIG, not many maps can boast about have a hero count like theres or a item count either, i think Icefrog rushed it too much, there is like 5 recipee shops and there are X slots in each times that by 5 thats alotta recipees.

Thats good, they have put some thought into it but from what i mean he rushed it is:

-Whats the point of all the hero's there are 10 players in the map all up, there is like 70+ hero's, lots to choose from which is good but is 70+ needed, soon the count will prolly hit 100.
- Too many redundant recipees, lots is good and bad, bad because u only have to get a X recipees to win.

I think we should stop dota bashing :P
Its just so fun though :)

[Basan]

When looking over this (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=25942) found another 'reason' that (unfortunately) proves that DotA will still be around for quite some time more. :P

Playing DotA - Techno' music

[Dayoh]

When looking over this (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=25942) found another 'reason' that (unfortunately) proves that DotA will still be around for quite some time more. :P

Old, been around for ages :P.
But from all the vivid fanboys, it will be around for ages.
Apparently if u play DotA, its like a Girl Magnet.

[Blacker]

When looking over this (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=25942) found another 'reason' that (unfortunately) proves that DotA will still be around for quite some time more. :P

Playing DotA - Techno' music

That 'shitty sound/song has already been posted :P

[uberfoop]

The song aint bad IMO. The only reason I don't like it is because of the DotA theme. TBP should launch a pirate raid on Basshunter's house for killing a decent tune with filthy words.

Scandinavian pirate vs DotA wars!

Maybe Norway will join in as well as their own group.

[Blacker]

No,I think that song is very bad,very and very bad...

[h0bgawblin]

Only one thing could ever replace dota. My bronzed sexy body infused with warcraft 3 goodness. However, this is impossible because my body is damn near as white as they can come. Not do mention, so long as warcraft 3 remains good, I will not be going outside to get bronzed. I estimate that it is a 3% chance that my bod will replace dota.

[Blacker]

Eh,I had hole day to play war3x.I played and saw SOOOO much maps better then DotA.Ppl are really stupid,heh...?

[Sid]

I vote for Elimination Tourney if the continue to upgrade it further.

[Blacker]

I vote for Elimination Tourney if the continue to upgrade it further.

Yeah,it's example.This is really better than DotA,more funny...

[Dayoh]

I vote for Elimination Tourney if the continue to upgrade it further.

Eh, I got to partake in some BETA testing over at CBS, I think this will be the next big map but it doesent seem to have "dinted" the mainstream of UMS players.

[Blacker]

The most I like is that he's noob (I mean,ha says so)...

[Dayoh]

The most I like is that he's noob (I mean,ha says so)...

???????, who is noob?

[Blacker]

That's what Morkeliph says for himself...