Did I Just Found A Bug In Broodwar Or Is This Known?

[thundercross]

PPl, the strangest thing happened to me. this seems surreal.
Imagine this:
Map: big game hunters
Custom Free for all game.
I'm Terran, plus 5 protoss, 1 Zerg and 1 terran Computers.
Piece of cake right? Do a horde of battlecruisers and kick their asses...
I wiped out everyone except one protoss computer player, which for some reason resisted my offensives. So myself and the computer player fought one on one for about one hour. One of my strategies was to establish a base in the middle of the map with several bunkers and siege tanks, plus using it as repair point and secure point to launch the battlecruiser offensives.
In the end I won.
All OK. Saved a replay as usual just for curiosity purposes (2 hours lenght).
Now here it comes the freaky part.
I start watching the replay. Beginning of the game. All ok. In about half hour I wiped out all players except the protoss one.
Than the "parallel universe" thing occurs.
The base i established in the middle of the map? all appears except the bunkers. The game flows like i never made any bunkers, so its just tanks and marines lying there. After a little while in the replay, the protoss demolish that base, Which never happened in the game. After a bit, the protoss computer player starts expanding to other bases in the map, which also never happened in the game. The protoss computer player breaks my barricade in the main base (which never happened) and wipes me out.
What the hell? Nothing of this has ever happened...
Anyway the replay should end right?
Wrong - at this time, the replay was with about 1 hour and 35 minutes. the original game had almost 2 hours. So the replay continued with only one computer player for about 20 minutes with units just wandering around the map...... It seems that until I was one on one with the protoss computer player the replay was perfect. After that, it seemed like I watching another game!!!

Is this known? Does anyones had a similar experience?

[Nahotnoj]

Freaky, that happened to me! It was on sherwood forest, and it was near two-hour game, with another human, (no comps) and after about half an hour, things started happening that never happened, it was really freaky...i dont why it happened though, and btw, the things in the replay that had never happened, they hadent happened in any other replay i had at the time...

[UED77]

Yes, it happened to me too, a long time ago, on a custom map I made.
I was allied with 2 comps, and was against a team of 3 comps and 2 incredibly strong rogue factions (who attacked everyone else). The game was based off of Blizzard Webmap "Multiplication", with a bunch of resource islands in space, so the game lasted 4-5 hours. And I saved the replay and whereas in the real game, my comp allies and I were victorious, in the replay, we got pwned.

This is because a replay only saves the crucial stuff, such as where units start out, what commands they were given, what spells are casted and where, etc.
Replays are not movies. Rather, think of them like AI scripts that tell what unit to build and when, but it also contains additional information, like the target location of commands/spells.

The problem with a replay (an SC replay, just to be sure), that it "re-plays" battles, instead of recording them frame by frame. Take a battle for example. 12 marines are fighting 6 zerglings and 4 hydras. Unless in the game you specifically gave the marines the order to focus their attacks on one of the zerglings, the marines will automatically acquire their targets, both in the game and in the replay as well. Now, there is no guarantee that the marines and zlings and hydras will always pick the same unit to attack. Thus the battle can have several different outcomes :(

And for some strange reason I cannot identify, the replay then gives commands to the units that died in the game. And there, you have two completely different outcomes.
Welcome to the parallel universes of the world of Starcraft.

UED77

[Ark-templarius]

Replay corruption often ruins evidence of great 1v1 matches. :/

[Dark_Viper]

yea its happened to me a few times so far...

[Battlecruiser]

It happened once to me. Pretty much the same story as UED77.

[Valjean]

Heh. Parallel Games, anyone? O_o

[Whiteknight]

It also might be because you have fast forwarded it. That might not give the computer enough time to give the commands that you originally gave, so it will screw up. That's why you never fast forward.

[Valjean]

Hey...I just thought of something...if the replays can go differently, that means each time you replay a replay, a new game can be created. O_O

[Maegtelluma]

Maybe a patch compatibility issue?

[Valjean]

Heh. The true question is:

Did I just found a bug? :p

[/offtopic][/asshole]

[Maegtelluma]

haha i didn't even notice that:bonk:

[peace_machine]

I don't think you found a bug, thats been around for as long as I can remember. I also think replays screw up if there are too many units on a map or if the game runs for a few hours.

[hammocksleeper]

UED did a great job of explaining the problem...

and, the more units on the map, or the longer the game runs, the greater the chance of the replay doing something different.

I actually think it's really neat how replays work and I have always said that I want to see someone make a program where you make a Starcraft "movie" built entirely by the replay system. (i.e. you write a replay from scratch), as opposed to the "movies" people make nowadays where they are like a UMS map or some such.

[DZeil]

Just take a screen shot of it.

[Subjukator]

hahaha. lol i can just imagine someone taking a shot each second of a battle during a game and then later flip through them really fast.

[DZeil]

I meant the victory it's self.

[Subjukator]

hahaha, even better. just get the best scenes.

[XTERMIN8OR1]

When you bought StarCraft, you wanted it to be a real good Science-Fiction game (which it is), right? Well, here is the Science-Fiction you requested. LOL

[The_3vil_Chicken]

O.O...wow...maybe the server didn't download it the rite way, and acted as if u wre still playing the regular game and it killed u...or maybe u were like hacked or sumthin..u weren't drunk were u? lol

[ERazER]

It happened to me with a Warcraft 3 custom game :P but never in BW

[skyglow1]

It just happens sometimes, and alot of times its due to patch changes. Since most gosu replays were made with patch 1.10, alot of them will screw with the 1.11b patch. You know its screwing when you see drones, scvs, or probes lying around doing nothing beside the nexus, command center, or hatch. It happens in normal games but happens more in UMS maps in my experience.

skyglow1

[The_Grim_Reaper]

replays are corrupted alot when they are from an older version, when they are against zerg players (computer or not), or when against comps.

[skyglow1]

Heh. The true question is:

Did I just found a bug? :p

[/offtopic][/asshole]
Hell no lol. You're right in thinking that you're being an ashole thinking that you "found a bug". It's been known for a long time already.

skyglow1

[Whiteknight]

Actually, he meant it with the improper grammar "Did I just found a bug."

[skyglow1]

So what was the main oint of his post? I don't get the improper language thing.

skyglow1

[Modred]

Ok folks. As several people have mentioned, this is usually due to version incombatability, but it is not something new.

A similar "glitch" is if you create an original SC replay (against a computer) and play it in BW, the computer will run a BW computer AI and you will almost certainly lose in the replay.

Similarly, if you created a replay in 1.08, 1.09, or 1.10, minor changes in unit data from patch to patch could change the outcome of a battle involving large numbers of troops, thus changing the game. As for the bunkers not showing up...just sounds like a corrupted file.

[GiaDragoness]

For the longest time, i could never figure out why the hell my replays wouldnt work. I have about 50, and not a one of them work right. So dont anyone complain about one or two of yours not working. I have always wondered why the hell battles happened that never did before in replays. However, my replays virtually always used to work. This was up until about patch 1.08-1.09. Then, they just constantly fucked up, and i could never submit good replays to my freinds that i had worked so hard for. This one time i was in a team melee with a freind, in patch 1.10, and we, as zerg, kicked the shit out of the comp team, who was protoss. When we loaded up the replay 5 minutes later, our drones did fucking nothing while the protoss expanded to the middle (which, we took first, and they never expanded), then they killed us with about a dozen zealots, then the game still went on for another 30 minutes or so. Now i know why. So maybe if blizzard were'nt so fucking woried about "hackers! modders! omfg!!!!!!" and worked on important issues like this one, I would'nt have the right to bitch about them so much. While agree that hackers are bad, i still think blizzard is trying to hard to be like "hey, if you hack, we, da big man, will shut you down!" and worked on fixing their damn game, we would be just a bit happier. I was so pissed off when blizzard released their new patch, which, not only did fucking NOTHING to help the gameplay, it also invalidated memgraft. So yeah, blizzard is just strikin' out all over in my ballpark of favor.




:smash: Smashy Smashy! :smash:

[skyglow1]

YESS!!!!!!!! I just found one of the most awesome programs ever!!! Go to here:

http://www.sclegacy.com/features/pimpestplays_2002.php

and under a replay which has zerg invovled, you will see a link to a program that makes it so you can run starcraft in 1.09b version! I tried it and it worked fine. The zip is onlt 500kb too. Now you can watch all your old replays (except for the REALLY old ones that have weird colours in them).

skyglow1

[warmasterofoblivian]

PPl, the strangest thing happened to me. this seems surreal.
Imagine this:
Map: big game hunters
Custom Free for all game.
I'm Terran, plus 5 protoss, 1 Zerg and 1 terran Computers.
Piece of cake right? Do a horde of battlecruisers and kick their asses...
I wiped out everyone except one protoss computer player, which for some reason resisted my offensives. So myself and the computer player fought one on one for about one hour. One of my strategies was to establish a base in the middle of the map with several bunkers and siege tanks, plus using it as repair point and secure point to launch the battlecruiser offensives.
In the end I won.
All OK. Saved a replay as usual just for curiosity purposes (2 hours lenght).
Now here it comes the freaky part.
I start watching the replay. Beginning of the game. All ok. In about half hour I wiped out all players except the protoss one.
Than the "parallel universe" thing occurs.
The base i established in the middle of the map? all appears except the bunkers. The game flows like i never made any bunkers, so its just tanks and marines lying there. After a little while in the replay, the protoss demolish that base, Which never happened in the game. After a bit, the protoss computer player starts expanding to other bases in the map, which also never happened in the game. The protoss computer player breaks my barricade in the main base (which never happened) and wipes me out.
What the hell? Nothing of this has ever happened...
Anyway the replay should end right?
Wrong - at this time, the replay was with about 1 hour and 35 minutes. the original game had almost 2 hours. So the replay continued with only one computer player for about 20 minutes with units just wandering around the map...... It seems that until I was one on one with the protoss computer player the replay was perfect. After that, it seemed like I watching another game!!!

Is this known? Does anyones had a similar experience?online you say?? must be blizzard watch everygame must have corrupted the game replay