Blizzard Species War V2

[DarkGunner]

Sucking 0rcz 134-
Pw0nz0r1ng Und34d 466+

[Blacker]

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) 133-
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused: 467+

[DarkGunner]

132-
468+

[Pisces]

133+
467-

[DarkGunner]

132-
468+

[Pisces]

133+
467-

[WarInSerbia]

They suck 132-
They suck too 468+
Cmon already!

[Pisces]

133+
467-

Nope, I gave up on Elves but I'm not giving up on orcs.

[DarkGunner]

132-
468+

[Pisces]

133+
467-

[DarkGunner]

132-
468+

[Galiant]

133+
467-

HOW DO I PLAY THIS GODDAMN GAME!?!?!?!

I just post Random numbers then I got a rep?!

[Pisces]

Orcs 134+
Undead 466-

Your on the right track. The undead players like to remove the names of the races because undead suck.

[DarkGunner]

133-
Undead 467+

i cant even write orcs they suck so much

[Pisces]

Orcs 134+
Undead 466-

[DarkGunner]

133-
Undead 467+

[Pisces]

Orcs 134+
Undead 466-

[DarkGunner]

133-
Undead 467+

[Magmaniac]

Porn 134
Beer 466

[DarkGunner]

133-
467+

[Pisces]

Porn 134
Beer 466

[DarkGunner]

133-
467+

[Pisces]

Porn 134
Beer 466

[InfinityComplex]

Orcs 133
Undead 467

For god sakes man, you can't beat the dead!

[Pisces]

Porn 134
Beer 466

If they can't be beat, then why are they dead?

[apostolos]

Pr0n 133
B33r 467

cuz they can't be beat in their dead form,but they die from vomitron 5000 in alive form.

[DarkGunner]

Pr0n 131
B33r 468

[Pisces]

Pr0n 133+
B33r 467-

[Giantfish]

Orcs 132
Undead 468

[Pisces]

Orcs 133+
Undead 467-

[Giantfish]

Orcs 132
Undead 468

[Pisces]

Orcs 133+
Undead 467-

[WarInSerbia]

Orcs 132-
Undead 468+
I bet 100$ that this game is getting boring thanks to pisces and some other members that I wont name :/

[Pisces]

Orcs 133+
Undead 467-

So you name me but not the rest? You should have joined the winning side long ago.

[WarInSerbia]

Ok,I'l name them all...
Pisces
Galianty609
................
And I think thats it :/
For piece sake why dont we end this game already?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?question mark?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

[Giantfish]

Orcs 132+
Undead 468-

[Galiant]

Ok,I'l name them all...
Pisces
Galianty609
................
And I think thats it :/
For piece sake why dont we end this game already?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?question mark?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

Lol! I dont even know how to play this goddamned game anyway!

I just copy and paste numbers and add 1 randomly to which I choose!!!

[WarInSerbia]

Just dont suport the losing side ever.
Orcs 131-
Undead 469+

[DarkGunner]

exactly
Orcs 130
Undead 470+

[Giantfish]

You do know that I was supporting undead, but I forgot to flip the "+" and "-" signs around right?

Orcs 133+
Undead 467-

So you name me but not the rest? You should have joined the winning side long ago.

Orcs 132+
Undead 468-

Just dont suport the losing side ever.
Orcs 131-
Undead 469+

Take me off the list please...

Oh and before I forget

Orcs 129-
Undead 471+

[WarInSerbia]

Orcs 128-
Undead 472+
you have my apologies.

And frop when do members get my stuff seriously?

[Giantfish]

Orcs 127-
Undead 473+

[WarInSerbia]

Orcs 126-
Undead 474+

[U-238]

Orcs -126
Undead =600

just be done with it. :P

(in reality)

Dorcs 127+
Undead 473-

Just for spite.

[apostolos]

Orcs 126-
Undead 474+
I Forgot this game

[Giantfish]

Orcs 125-
Undead 475+

[Magmaniac]

ORCZ 126
UNDEADS 474


lolol
o
l
o
l
ol
ollll

[Pisces]

Orcs 125-
Undead 475+

[DarkGunner]

you are finally beat

Orcs 124-
Undead 476+

[apostolos]

ORGZ 123-
UNDEDZ 477+

The Dark side beats the orcs

[Magmaniac]

oark124
unded476

[Pisces]

oark125+
unded475-

[WarInSerbia]

oark124-
unded476+
WTH is that "thing" in your avy magmaniac.
As for the game:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Galiant]

oark123-
unded477+

Is that allowed?

[Giantfish]

oark122-
unded478+

[Galiant]

oark121-
unded479+

[Giantfish]

oark120-
unded480+

[Magmaniac]

oark121
unded479


This thread has been going for TEN MONTHS now

[Giantfish]

oark120
unded480

[Pisces]

oark121
unded479

10 months?! Holy crap, thats awesome, perhaps I should stall it for another 2 months:P Na, I'm getting bored too, I decided I can't betray orcs but I can post less frequently.

[Protoss_Honor]

oark121
unded479


This thread has been going for TEN MONTHS now
:oWTF! WTH! OMG! FTW! Damn!:o ten months? When you make a thread Maggy, you really make it to last. :P Seriously, how the hell did it last ten months? That's bloody insane! Let's see if it can survive for a whole year. :D



Extending it one more post
one race122+
another race479-

[Giantfish]

one race121
another race480

[Jimmy_the_saint]

one race 122
another race 479

[Pisces]

one race 123+
another race 478-

[Jimmy_the_saint]

one race 124
another race 476

[Magmaniac]

ork125
ded475

[Pisces]

ork126+
ded474-

[Jimmy_the_saint]

ork127
ded473

[Magmaniac]

ork128
ded472

i think the numbers are going to go in the other direction now and this thread will last for a long long time.

tehe!

[Jimmy_the_saint]

ork129
ded471

[Pisces]

ork130+
ded470-

I think the undead players will be horrified.

[Magmaniac]

oarx131
deds469

[Serban]

Been gone for a loooong time... :)

Orcs 130
Undead 470

[Jimmy_the_saint]

orcs129
undead471

[Serban]

Orcs 128
Undead 472

[Pisces]

Orcs 129
Undead 471

[DarkGunner]

Orcs 128
Undead 472

[Magmaniac]

Orks Are One Hundred Twenty Nine In Number
Dead Are Four Hundred Seventy One In Number

[Protoss_Honor]

HEY! YO! PEEPS! we cannot let this thread die so close to lasting for a year. IT MUST SURVIVE!!

Orks Are One Hundred Thirty In Number
Dead Are Four Hundred Seventy In Number

[Jimmy_the_saint]

orcs 129

undead 171

[Protoss_Honor]

Guerrillas 130

Gorillas 170

[Pisces]

Guerrillas 131

Gorillas 169

Well, its not the real numbers, but I can accept this:P

[Protoss_Honor]

Guerrillas 132

Gorillas 468

[Zerg_eater]

Guerillas -100

Gorillas - + 500

[Protoss_Honor]

Wrong Z-boy. Very Wrong


Guerrillas 132

Gorillas 468

[Pisces]

Guerrillas 133+

Gorillas 467-

[BludSyko]

Guerrillas 132-

Gorillas 468+

[Pisces]

Guerrillas 133+

Gorillas 467-

[BludSyko]

Guerrillas 132-

Gorillas 468+

[InfinityComplex]

Guerrillas 132-
Gorillas 468+

Does anyone know what was the original units/whatever?

[BludSyko]

Guerrillas 131-
Gorillas 469+

Orcs and Night Elves, respectively.

[Pisces]

Guerrillas 132+
Gorillas 468-

The races don't matter to most people at this stage

[BludSyko]

Guerrillas 131-
Gorillas 469

Eh...

Always nice to know, though.

[Magmaniac]

roarks 132
right relves 468


rehehehehe

[BludSyko]

roarks 131
right relves 469

rooby-rooby roo

[Pisces]

roarks 132+
runreds 468-

Wait a sec, its not night elves, they were wiped out ages ago, its undead.

[BludSyko]

roarks 133+
runreds 467-

Heh, my bad. And congrats, you're the first person to catch it.

[Protoss_Honor]

corks 134+
coneheads 466-

[BludSyko]

corks 135+
coneheads 465-

Coneheads?

[Pisces]

corks 136+
coneheads 464-

It took me a shamefully long time to catch it.

[WarInSerbia]

Orcs and undeads you*pip*


orcs aka end this thread now 135-
undead please end this thread now 465+

[BludSyko]

orcs I say we should all go 134-
undead and end this game 466+

[WarInSerbia]

orcs I agree 133-
undead who resumed posting in this game ?!?! 467+

[BludSyko]

orcs eh? 132-
undead seriously, eh? 468+

[Pisces]

orcs 131-
undead 469+

[BludSyko]

orcs 130-
undead 470+

[AzVortez]

any1 care to explain wth is going on?

[Pisces]

orcs 129-
undead 471+

Well it was a larger species war but now we are down to the last 2. What you do is take away 1 point from one race and give it to another.

[AzVortez]

orcs 130+
undead 470-

like that? fun.

[Pisces]

orcs 129-
undead 471+

yep, you got it.

[Magmaniac]

OARK MAKE THE GAME GO FOREVER 130
redied moarplz 470

[West]

Orc +131
Undead -469


WoOt

[Pisces]

Orc +132
Undead -468

[WarInSerbia]

Orcish 131-
Undeadish 469+

[West]

Orc 132+
Undead 468-

ORCS WILL PREVAIL

[Pisces]

Orc 133+
Undead 467-

[BludSyko]

Orc 134+
Undead 466-

What happened to ending the game?

[Orderofthe]

So... like this?

Orc 133-
Undead 467+

[Black.Ice]

Orc 134+
Undead 466-




Black.Ice 100 :)

[Orderofthe]

ORC 133-
Undead 467+

Just give Orcs- am I allowed to post after a post of my post...? ....

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 134+
Undead 466-

THIS GAME SHALL NEVER END! :P

[Pisces]

Orcs 135+
Undead 465-

The horrors of the never ending game!!:P

[Protogod]

Orcs 134-
Undead 466+

[West]

Orcs 135+
Undead 465-

:P

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 136+
Undead 464-

*in a singsong voice*
"This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on my friends
Some people started posting in it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on my friends
Some people started posting in it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on my friends
Some people started posting in it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on my friends
Some people started posting in it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on my friends
Some people started posting in it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on my friends
Some people started posting in it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on my friends
Some people started posting in it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because...

Repeat ad infinitum"
:P :P :P

[Pisces]

Orcs 137+
Undead 463-

Orcs are on their victory leg;)

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 138+
Undead 462-

indeed

[AzVortez]

orcs 139+
undead 461-

seriously, imagine someone you loved dead and then re-animated. you know you want to help the orcs! (despite their ugliness)

[Orderofthe]

NOO!!! IT SHANT!!!.... ah the hell wif it...

140+ ORC
461- UNDEAD

[Protoss_Honor]

Oranges 141+
Utilities 460-

[Pisces]

Oranges 142+
Utilities 458-

I can't help but laugh at the fact that orcs are having a come back.

[Protogod]

Oranges 141+
Utilities 460-

Oranges 142+
Utilities 458-


Cheaters.

Orcs 141-
Undead 460+

[Galiant]

Orcs 142+
Undead 459-

How can I play this game?

[Pisces]

You add 1 to one of the races and take one away from another, (note there are only 2 races left). Like you just did.

Orcs 243+
Undead 457-

Protogod, have you noticed how 141 and 458 don't add up to 600?...fuck, not again, it should add up to 700, apothesis took 100 away from orcs again. Anyway Orderofthe forgot to take 1 away from undead a few posts ago so I was correcting it. If you haven't picked up on why I added another hundred to Orcs it is because Apothesis took 100 away from Orcs a few pages ago, he's tried that several times.

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 244+
Undead 456-

We sure about this score now Pisces? How do they have 700? I assume there is some sort of logical path you took to reach that conclusion? Since this game involves numbers, I assume it is a mathematical equation.


EDIT: Oh, right! We started with sevene races, and each race had 100 points. We now have two races left, meaning that the 700 (100 points for each race * 7 races) points should be divided into two seperate, but obviously not equal, groups. When those two groups of points are added together, they should equal 700. If not, you either suck at math, or someone messed with the scores.

Just so we are sure: 244 plus 456 does indeed equal 700. :)
Perhaps every couple of pages or so, we should add up the points and make sure they equal 700, because from what I saw, the orcs were missing 100 points for at about 10 pages. Unless they one I saw about 10 pages ago was corrected and then Apostolos messed with the scores again at a later time. I did not exactly go over each post in detail.

[Jimmy_the_saint]

Orcs 243-
Undead 457+

[Magmaniac]

MOAR 244
less 456

[Pisces]

Orcs 245+
Undeads 455-

It was on page 94, and it was actually someone different, Apotelos (or however is name is spelt) just did it twice or so in the page before so I automatically blamed him...and yes, it did take me a long time to pick up.

I used to check every couple of pages to see if it added up to 700 because it is quite easy to mess up a post, but when we got down to 2 races it was easy to see if someone messed up because the total of the last numbers wouldn't add up to 10 (or 0), unfortunately that meant I wasn't looking at the first number.

[Jimmy_the_saint]

Orcs 244-
Undead 456+

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 245+
Undeads 455-

It was on page 94Actually it was page 60 something. :P (I have it set on 30 posts per page. It makes it easier to catch up on large, fast growing threads, but can cause the page to load slower) What is the page number in the default posts per page?


Big Lumbering Oafs 245+
Reanimated Decaying Corpses 455-

[Jimmy_the_saint]

Big green smelly guys 244-

cool skeleton/other things 456+

TPAM its 10 as default.

[Pisces]

Big green smelly guys 245+

cool skeleton/other things 455-

10? I thought it was 20, or maybe I changed it.

[Protoss_Honor]

Ugly Cheese Hunks 246+

Rotten Apple Cores 454-

I meant, what page is thre thread on at 10 posts per page? Which is the default. You must have changed yours Pisces.

[Magmaniac]

less 247
moarless 453

[Protoss_Honor]

Tart 248+
Tangy 452-

[Pisces]

Tart 249+
Tangy 451-

It would be 188ish I think.

[Protoss_Honor]

At the risk of being accused of tandem posting:

Tart 250+
Tangy 450-


188ish eh? hmmmm. We still have approximately a month to go guys, let's keep it up!

[Jimmy_the_saint]

sweet 249-
sour 451+

[Pisces]

sweet 250+
sour 450-

The vague guidelines were had for tandem posting was 2 post each in a row (aka 4 posts) but it was broken all the time and it gets vague when you do 4 posts, someone else posts then you do another 4 and does it count if they are supporting different races, probably not when it is undoing the other one. Generally I decided that if me and 1 other person posting for the same side was getting a majority of the posts I would just forget about this thread for a while. Tandem posting gets really bad when there is 2 people online at the same time. To be honest I don't really think I should be posting this as I have already posted tonight, but I've started this big rant and need to post it.

[Magmaniac]

Sex 251
Candy 449

[Protoss_Honor]

Bipeds 251
Tripeds 449

[Jimmy_the_saint]

green 250-

Other 450+

[Protoss_Honor]

Porcupins 251
Hedgehogs 449

[Jimmy_the_saint]

Jedi 250-
sith 450+

[Magmaniac]

? 251
¿ 449

[Protoss_Honor]

Harvard 252
Yale 448

[Pisces]

Harvard 253+
Yale 447-

[Jimmy_the_saint]

Oxford 252-

Syd Uni 448+

[Pisces]

Antarctic 253+

Arctic 448-

[Galiant]

lolz 252-

lulz 449+

[Magmaniac]

ugh 253
ugh 448

[Protoss_Honor]

blah 254
blah 447

[Jimmy_the_saint]

Meow 253
Woof 448

[Magmaniac]

254
447

[Protoss_Honor]

Protoss_Honor 255
Magmaniac 446

:P

[Jimmy_the_saint]

you 254

me 447

[Protogod]

Nubz 253
Pr0ez 448

[Protoss_Honor]

Sex 254
Porn 447

[Magmaniac]

255 numbers
446 numbers

[Protoss_Honor]

Letters TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY-SIX
Numbers 444


Hmm..... 256 + 445 = 701? That is wrong. MUST FIND ERROR!

EDIT: FOUND IT! Pisces, in a twist of irony, you added one to the Orcs, but did not take one away from the Undead in one of your previous posts. :P


I have edited my post to take that error into account, and bring us back to 700.

[Pisces]

Numbers also because its easier 257+
Numbers 443-

:shiftyl:

[Protoss_Honor]

About time someone posted in this again. :P

258+
242-

[Pisces]

259+
441-

I know, it was neglected. I'm fairly sure that this thread would be about a year old now. EDIT: not quite

[FrankZ]

How do you play this thing? I don't get it. :-\

[Protoss_Honor]

259+
441-

Frank, buddy, it is very simple. You take one point from one race, and add one point to the other race.

[FrankZ]

259+
441-

There. Am I playing the game right?

[West]

you got to change the number,
since you added to 259 it goes to 260+
you took away bottom number so it's now 440-

my orders:

261+
439-

almost there :D

[Pisces]

262+
438-

[FrankZ]

263+
437-

[Protoss_Honor]

264+
436-


And so it continues......

[FrankZ]

265+
435-

[Jimmy_the_saint]

264-
436+

[FrankZ]

265+
435-

[West]

264-
436+

[FrankZ]

265+
435-

[Pisces]

266+
434-

[FrankZ]

267+
433-

Yes! Almost there!

[Pisces]

268+
432-

Only 432+ posts to go! oh wait, you mean almost a year old:P

[Protoss_Honor]

268+
432-

This has to be in the top ten, if not top 5 oldest active threads.

[Pisces]

You forgot to do anything
270+
430-

I think post yourself must be one of the oldest, of course its on its 5th or so version.

[apostolos]

269-
431+

Dude!This thing has been here for ages!

[Protoss_Honor]

270+
430-


You forgot to do anythingWoops, my bad.


I think post yourself must be one of the oldest, of course its on its 5th or so version.This thread standing alone rates in the top ten or even top 5 longest active threads. Maybe even most posted in threads. If you add the Blizzard Species War 1, then that makes this a year old as of November, and gives it even more posts. But to be accurate, you should only include the thread in and of itself. Otherwise it would just get confusing as hell if you have threads that may have died or been closed, but then a new thread was made at a later date, and that thread lasted longer or something.


Dude!This thing has been here for ages!In 17 days it will have been here for a year, that is really not ages. Sure, it is a long time as far as threads are concerned, but it is really not all that long.

[Pisces]

271+
429-

Hurray, 17 days (prob. 16 now) until the new year!

[Magmaniac]

Whatisthisrace? 272
Andthisone? 428

[Pisces]

Orcs 273+
Undead 427-

[Protoss_Honor]

Boobs 274+
Asses 426-

[Magmaniac]

orks 275
undead 425

[Pisces]

orks 276+
undead 424-

[Protoss_Honor]

orks 277+
undead 423-

[Magmaniac]

orks 278
undeads 422

[Pisces]

orks 279+
undeads 421-

[Galiant]

orks 279+
undeads 420-

[Protoss_Honor]

orks 279+
undeads 420-You forgot to add one to the orcs. But it's all good. :)


Orcs 281+
Undead 419-

[Pisces]

Orcs 282+
Undead 418-

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 283+
Undead 417-

[Magmaniac]

orcs 284
undead 416



This war is eternal! Just like American imperialism! BUH-ZING!

[Pisces]

orcs 285+
undead 415-

[Protoss_Honor]

orcs 286+
undead 414-


Indeed. BLIZZARD SPECIES WAR VERSION 2: ORCS vs UNDEAD WAR FOREVER!!!!!

[X9]

orcs 287 (+)
undead 413 (-)

I hate both the Orcs and the Undead, but from the worse of two villains emerges the Undead for being walking necrotizing corpses. At least the Orcs have some modicum or honor and organized military strategy.

BTW, where the hell are the Terran, Protoss, Zerg, Humans, and Night Elves?

Regards,

X9, StarCraft.Org Fan Fiction Moderator

[Magmaniac]

orcs 288
undead 412

all the other races are at zero, and thus are eliminated from the game. If you look on page one you will see how it started.

[InfinityComplex]

Orcs 289
Undead 411

[PaiN]

Orcs 288-
Undead 412+

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 289
Undead 411

[Ling666]

Orcs 290+
Undead 410-

[X9]

Orcs 291+
Undead 409-

Regards,

X9, StarCraft.Org Fan Fiction Moderator

[Pisces]

Orcs 292+
Undead 408-

Do you copy+paste "regards, X9" at the end of every post. Isn't it a waste of time doing such in a thread such as this one? and do you really need such a long in post signature, why not just "-X9"?

[Magmaniac]

orcs 293
undead 407

[Protoss_Honor]

orcs 294
undead 406


Orcs 292+
Undead 408-

Do you copy+paste "regards, X9" at the end of every post. Isn't it a waste of time doing such in a thread such as this one? and do you really need such a long in post signature, why not just "-X9"?Because, he wanted a personal post ender, but simply posting the name is how everyone does it, he wants something unique, so he goes to all the trouble to do that. Even in threads like these.

[Pisces]

orcs 295+
undead 405-

Sounds fair.

[Galiant]

Orcs 291+
Undead 406-

[Pisces]

That should be...

Orcs 297+
Undead 403-

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 298+
Undead 402-



HAPPY FIRST BIRTHDAY BLIZZARD SPECIES WAR V2 THREAD! HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY! WOOHOOO!!!!

[Pisces]

Orcs 299+
Undead 401-

Birthday cake for all!! On Protoss_Honour.

[Magmaniac]

The cake is a lie.

Orcs 300
Undead 400

[Leosam096]

Orcs 301+
Undead 399-

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 302+
Undead 398-

[Magmaniac]

Orcs 303
Undead 397

[Pisces]

Orcs 304+
Undead 396-

Where's my cake?

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 305+
Undead 395-


I ate it.


HOLY SHITRUN! We are almost to 350/350! I say when we get around 575/125, we should flip the gears in reverse, and start supporting the Undead again. After all, we want this thread to keep going forever, right?

[Magmaniac]

NO! ORC VICTORY! REDEATH TO THE UNDEAD!

Orcs 306
Undead 394

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 307+
Undead 393-

[Magmaniac]

Orcs 308
Undead 392

[Pisces]

Orcs 309+
Undead 391-

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 310+
Undead 390-

[Magmaniac]

Orcs 311
Undead 389

[Pisces]

Orcs 312+
Undead 388-

[AJ]

Orcs: 311 (-)
Undead: 389 (+)

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs: 312+
Undead: 388-

Yay AJ for extending this by one more post!

[Magmaniac]

orcs 313
undeads 387

[Pisces]

orcs 314+
undeads 386-

[Protoss_Honor]

orcs 315+
undeads 385-

[Magmaniac]

Orcs 316
Undead 384

[Pisces]

Orcs 317+
Undead 383-

[SHISHKABOB]

Orcs 318+
Undead 382-

/me bandwagons

[Pisces]

Orcs 319+
Undead 381-

/me rockstar

[BrotherGreen]

Orcs 318 -1
Undead 382 +1

/me BrotherGreen

[Protoss_Honor]

Orcs 319+
Undead 381-

/me you

[BrotherGreen]

Orcs 318 -1
Undead 382 +1

/you slut

[Magmaniac]

Orcs 319
Undead 381

[Pisces]

Orcs 320+
Undead 380-

Oh no, this thread almost ended up on the second page!