StarCraft.org's... changing?

[Schwitzer]

Yeah, so in case you guys haven't noticed, you should be keeping an eye on what's happening at StarCraft.org over the next few weeks. ;)

Here's why. (http://www.starcraft.org/news/comments/336)

[SuiCidAl-KiSmEt]

Hey, what's with SC.org being black and gray? Haven't you heard that pink is the new black? Um, j/k.

Anyway, that's nice. The comment board already looks cooler.

[grover1311]

for the 1 month i have been here (i tihnk it is about a month) i tihnk it was time for starcraft to have a make over :D

[U-238]

Yea it's nice. But I still think that the way it looked before was just fine.

[Ahzz]

I don't care.
Ofcourse people have opinions, but here's mine:
1. There are like, max 500 active users over there. You can see it from the polls and other stuff.
2. It has no quality content if we don't include some rare fanfiction, and maybe shifters campaign or something. Not really much otherwise. The maps submitted in general just... suck ass, and 95% of the strategies are just ********
3. I have a idea that most of them are some... 13-16 year old little kids. Thats generally fine, but they won't believe someone even if its clear that he's better than himself, all the things that matter in strategies are: proper grammar, and if you can write a nice story that sounds neat.
I mean lawl, I still remember them talking so damn hard against people like chronic and lammy, even tho either of them could take any two of them MINIMUM. They're just like people who've just finished the campaigns with a few tries, beat their little bros in 1v1 or ffa rather easily, and know nothing about sc scene and gaming and they just think they're hot stuff and they can like pwn anyone, if they can pwn 2 comps. Just how stupid is that? You want to work for that, fine, it's your decision and stuff, but these are my reasons why I don't care a shit for the whole site and personally think it pretty much worthless after having experience with more popular sites.
Heh, I still remember myself, trying to convince them. I gave them links for pro replays. I told them the facts how to get good. I told them alot about the scene and stuff, and I explained why all the damn shit wont work except vs a total noob or comp. They're just like "noooooo, it's alot better if you actually add 10 queens over there!" (queens are just about the most worthless unit in the whole game, used semi-effectively and riskly succesful every 1000 games..) and then I'm like, "Wouldn't it be alot better to spend the money to lurkers in this case, like I explained already many times before, which is alot less riskier and just as effective and take less time if you think a bit about it. They're like "I never said it doesn't work as good or better did I? I just told one option that could work, even tho that is more effective!" and next time a similar question is raised, they still keep saying 10 quuens would just pwn. How stupid is that

lol and I still remember talking one strat like completely down with damn pure hard facts, and the kid sent me like 3 pms cussing and calling me idiot and stuff lawl

[Schwitzer]

Wow, Ahzz doesn't care, yet he writes a one-page article about it.

[BrotherGreen]

Rather than express my feelings toward Ahzz on this subject, or my feeling about warboards, im just going to say this:

Finally. But its too late, isnt it?

[lammas]

Wow, Ahzz doesn't care, yet he writes a one-page article about it.


Nice to see that sc.org staff is well able to take criticism about their site. Perhaps it would be good if sc.org staff would start thinking why is it that fine players dont care about sc.orgs changings (and if you decide to do so you could read ahzzs post).

Anyways I must say that its still great that people are willing to spent time on community things like keeping sc.org site up. Must say that I appreciate even if I would see that some things could be done diffrently.

Rather than express my feelings toward Ahzz on this subject, or my feeling about warboards,

And brothergreen grow yourself balls so you can say what you think.

[Ktan]

You broke the site, you big whore!

:P

J/k, looks very...StarCrafty atm.

[Protoss_Honor]

I like it so far. It is very stylish. I love the coloring, and the borders, but I do hope the backround color will be changed. Black is geat, but it is kinda boring and monotonous.

[B.A.Baracus]

You may think ahzz and lammy are less then modest, when you see then play starcraft you'll see why. proooooooogamerzzzzzzz

[Basan]

Enjoyed it very much. Just took the chance to post one of my two yearly posts over there on it's account, though, so you (Schwitty) must've definitely done something right. :)

Wow, Ahzz doesn't care, yet he writes a one-page article about it.

Imagine if he (actually) cared... :rolleyes: Even though I must agree with him on clensing some of it's fouler content.

[bloodbane]

its evoluvtion

[ITSTORRASQUE4U]

I agree with Ahzz on most things: even though I TOTALLY SUCK at multi (but I'm a pro in strip games ;)), I can't ignore the current member idiocy rising in the site. Before that, it felt pleasant to browse the site and debate on the polls, as there were still some intelligent people who actually brought up discussion. Now, all we have are these stupid "OMFG LOLZ, let's retake Aiur" comments, useless spam and nothing else to see. One of the main things in there was the fanart: quality there has gone as well, with the whole "swarm" of noobs recently uploading all their works. My art is of course, not good, but the site is definitely going downhill.

Let's just hope the refurbishment attracts the old members in :)

Oh and BTW, it happens here in WB as well. When I first joined and commented on a "lol, plz help me test new map lol"... all I got back was a bunch of flaming and GTFO sentences :(

[AJ]

it's hard to avoid. and not something we have control over.

we're working to improve the appearance of the site, and have also been constantly working towards weeding out the lesser submissions.

[SuiCidAl-KiSmEt]

Ahzz is kinda true a little. The template, a new template would be nice, cooler, and more pleasant but, it really doesn't matter overall. I think SC.org should have better content even if it should be enforced. SC.org should be a place for everyone is looking up to, not just the newbs. SC.org should be a place where every player will have their brains implode and suffer - unworthily by the sheer awesomeness of every outstanding quality of the site. But that's just me fantasying my opinion... >.>

[own3d0406]

I don't think there's anyway to enforce content, but maybe you could check for basic things? Like punctuation and grammar? I think sclegacy does this, it would really help noobs not look like complete idiots.

[ITSTORRASQUE4U]

I think the site would look more professional if we were a little more strict: strategies are mostly shit, as many have said, and I've seen just too many "meh, was bored", "done in 5 minutes", "didn't want to finish it until you voted", "it suk, but vote exp plz!" fanarts nowadays.

That, the grammar suggestion, more activeness from the staff and FINALLY CLEANING UP AND MAKING AVAILABLE ALL THE SECTIONS (perhaps a new feature, like an internal tournament or something) could make the site look more like it should and send noobs away.

[GroG]

Couldn't you solve Ahzz's problem by making 2 sections to strategies and maps, like the Competitive Section (for competitive 1v1's and 2v2's) and the Casual Section (for BGH, hunters, and FFA's)? That way, no audience would be left out while still keeping these ever arguing audiences seperate from one another.

I'd suggest just removing popular strategies and new strategies and putting in Competitive Strategies and Casual Strategies. Possibly with nav-bars..

Just an idea for you to bounce around.

You know, I'm an MIS major and a senior at ISU, just entered the MIS program last semester. I don't really have much experience (mostly non-web console programming and c#), but if someone showed me how, I would attempt to help do stuff over there in my spare time, which I do have bits and pieces of. Who knows, I might be able to put something on my resume..

Oh, and I am fairly versed in SC competitive play, I read teamliquid and gosugamers (sometimes), can hold my own vs. most players, so, yeah.

Let me know if you need that kind of help.

glgl

[U-238]

Couldn't you solve Ahzz's problem by making 2 sections to strategies and maps, like the Competitive Section (for competitive 1v1's and 2v2's) and the Casual Section (for BGH, hunters, and FFA's)? That way, no audience would be left out while still keeping these ever arguing audiences seperate from one another.

Because the "n00bs" would end up putting their shit that should go into the "Casual" section into the "Competitive" section. And there isn't a person in the world with enough time to constantly monitor what content goes into each section.

[GroG]

Mmm.. I see. How to control that the user content goes to the right section without constant monitoring..

Give me a few days to think about it.

[ITSTORRASQUE4U]

C'mon!!! Lets Save Sc.org And The Killer Whales!!!

[Schwitzer]

I think the site would look more professional if we were a little more strict: strategies are mostly shit, as many have said, and I've seen just too many "meh, was bored", "done in 5 minutes", "didn't want to finish it until you voted", "it suk, but vote exp plz!" fanarts nowadays.
I agree. There's a lot of filtering that needs to be done - especially on new content coming in. It is our intention that, in the future, we will have designated section moderators who will be devoted to screening new submissions.

Currently, the active StarCraft.org staff have to do everything, which hinders our ability to give everything the attention it really needs.

That, the grammar suggestion, more activeness from the staff and FINALLY CLEANING UP AND MAKING AVAILABLE ALL THE SECTIONS (perhaps a new feature, like an internal tournament or something) could make the site look more like it should and send noobs away.
Yes, we need more staff; we're aware of this.

The only section that is currently closed is Customs, as AJ is busy working on that.

I like your tournament idea, and it's certainly something that I'm willing to seriously consider.

[ITSTORRASQUE4U]

Funny, I wouldn't participate: me suck at melee :D

But if you open a rated "R" Strip Jess or Aeris tournament, that trophy has my name on it ;). I know you won't pick any "OMFG, pick me!!!" noobs for hire, but if you want any moderators for fanart submissions, I'm willing to help :)

[Schwitzer]

You might find something interesting written in this news post (http://www.starcraft.org/news/comments/338). ;)

[Frattimonde]

*cough, cough* What about Warcraft.org?

[B.A.Baracus]

You might find something interesting written in this news post (http://www.starcraft.org/news/comments/338). ;)
that slickrick seems like a shifty character to me schwitzer, I would just do what he says if I were you.

[Ktan]

I think the site would look more professional if we were a little more strict: strategies are mostly shit, as many have said, and I've seen just too many "meh, was bored", "done in 5 minutes", "didn't want to finish it until you voted", "it suk, but vote exp plz!" fanarts nowadays.

That, the grammar suggestion, more activeness from the staff and FINALLY CLEANING UP AND MAKING AVAILABLE ALL THE SECTIONS (perhaps a new feature, like an internal tournament or something) could make the site look more like it should and send noobs away.

I'm trying my best to weed out the really crappy submissions when it comes to approving them. Most Strats aren't getting through, but I admit, if they look like someone's spent ages on them, I don't analyse the tactical content too deeply mainly because I know there are better SC players out there than me. I do, however, approve based on how well it is presented; that's a sign someone has at least made the effort.

Also, anything without a title isn't going through, because I'm unable to approve it before hand. Equally, any really crappy older submissions (plagiarised or just voted PB about 2 million times) are getting the boot.

[Ahzz]

I'm trying my best to weed out the really crappy submissions when it comes to approving them.
really crappy isn't the right word. At the moment all of the below average, and 90% of the average content, and 80% of the "good" content are total crap. But so that the people there wont feel too bad, just take out all of the below average.

I do, however, approve based on how well it is presented; that's a sign someone has at least made the effort.
hmm coming to my "nice story and perfect grammar" part eh?
Well I'm kinda on the same line with you. it might get submitted, but a "very easy" or something should be put up instead of "intermediate" or something.


One good suggestion to make the stuff better. I and lammy can probably submit some VERY GOOD STRATEGIES that are excellent for going to the right path of improving (improving starts off with doing stuff right first, right?) and that is, if you can actually make them sticky. Something like, "Zerg art 101 EVERYONE READ!" or something. That could gradually actually take the skill level up, and so, also bring more popularity over there and more intelligent discussion. Also, everyone should be advised to read the "real" strategies before actually posting their own crap. The experiences they find useful with the REAL strategies could be useful in a real situation, but a experience they've find useful vs a computer hardly is useful?

[lammas]

Imo there should be 2sections: 1 for those strats written to help people improve in sc and 1 for those written because its fun to write. This way sc.org would still have the community there now is posting and it would also become good place for good gamers to post strategies.

If you decide to do it this way I can help in previewing them.

[SilverCrusader]

I took a look at it and there was a sick green border cover.... it didn't go well with SC's grayness...

[Ktan]

@ Ahzz and lammy

Fortunately, they are looking at new staff to control the Strats section, so I think if we get some gosu gamers in there, the section actually stands a chance!

[SilverCrusader]

tell them to change the sickly green color to more of a deep green

[lammas]

@ Ahzz and lammy

Fortunately, they are looking at new staff to control the Strats section, so I think if we get some gosu gamers in there, the section actually stands a chance!

yea I know but I wont come unles competive strat and other will be separated. It would kill sc.org strat section if I would come there now and only accept good strategies.

[Ahzz]

yah very true, I guess I atleast could spend some time when I'm bored, which actually happens rather often. Lammy got the nice idea though. If it sounds nice and some effort is put to it, we could just add it to the "try just for fun" section or something. Other section could be the strategies that could be really useful in game vs others than complete noobs.

[lammas]

yes and those noobs dont feel they arent appreciated if we name other "competive strategies"

tho dont expect too much I would spend like a hour or two a week o,o but if sc.orgs submission amount doesnt increase greatly it shouldnt be a problem to read a few strats a week

[Schwitzer]

To: Ahzz and Lammos.

Ideas such as officially recommended beginner strategies and such is definitely a possibility. If you're willing to put yourselves forward as part of the team to actively steer the direction of the site then I'd love to hear your ideas and perhaps see some words jotted down.

Send me a PM with your ideas, what you'd like to see done and what you're willing to do and I'll give them serious consideration.

[Ahzz]

I pmed you and told quite a bit of very nice ideas (IMO) and how much I'd be prepared to work usually

[Siege_Commander]

I don't care.
Ofcourse people have opinions, but here's mine:
1. There are like, max 500 active users over there. You can see it from the polls and other stuff.
2. It has no quality content if we don't include some rare fanfiction, and maybe shifters campaign or something. Not really much otherwise. The maps submitted in general just... suck ass, and 95% of the strategies are just ********
3. I have a idea that most of them are some... 13-16 year old little kids. Thats generally fine, but they won't believe someone even if its clear that he's better than himself, all the things that matter in strategies are: proper grammar, and if you can write a nice story that sounds neat.
I mean lawl, I still remember them talking so damn hard against people like chronic and lammy, even tho either of them could take any two of them MINIMUM. They're just like people who've just finished the campaigns with a few tries, beat their little bros in 1v1 or ffa rather easily, and know nothing about sc scene and gaming and they just think they're hot stuff and they can like pwn anyone, if they can pwn 2 comps. Just how stupid is that? You want to work for that, fine, it's your decision and stuff, but these are my reasons why I don't care a shit for the whole site and personally think it pretty much worthless after having experience with more popular sites.
Heh, I still remember myself, trying to convince them. I gave them links for pro replays. I told them the facts how to get good. I told them alot about the scene and stuff, and I explained why all the damn shit wont work except vs a total noob or comp. They're just like "noooooo, it's alot better if you actually add 10 queens over there!" (queens are just about the most worthless unit in the whole game, used semi-effectively and riskly succesful every 1000 games..) and then I'm like, "Wouldn't it be alot better to spend the money to lurkers in this case, like I explained already many times before, which is alot less riskier and just as effective and take less time if you think a bit about it. They're like "I never said it doesn't work as good or better did I? I just told one option that could work, even tho that is more effective!" and next time a similar question is raised, they still keep saying 10 quuens would just pwn. How stupid is that

lol and I still remember talking one strat like completely down with damn pure hard facts, and the kid sent me like 3 pms cussing and calling me idiot and stuff lawl

these have been my thoughts about sc.org ever since i found warboards :D

[U-238]

Yea, it's amazing how finnish people can ramble on and on and on about practicaly nothing and yet make it sound important.

That's the 3rd ability I wish I had.

Behind unbelieveable speed and the ability to piss at will.

[Siege_Commander]

lmao why would you want to piss at will?

[U-238]

Because it'd just be awsome.

And you could get out of any situation by saying you need to go to the bathroom.