Opinion of Magic and the Paranormal.

[Frattimonde]

What´s your opinion on Magic and the Paranormal?

Is there a such force as magic or psionic energies?
Are there ghosts, are there telepaths?

What do you think?

[Ole-The-Murder]

No - But there are natural phenomens which breaks the rules, unexplained, for no visible reason. And exceptions/accidents can happen ;)

[Frattimonde]

No - But there are natural phenomens which breaks the rules, unexplained, for no visible reason. And exceptions/accidents can happen ;)
Why do you think that?

[Battlecruiser]

My opinion is that they don't exist.

[Killphill]

There isn't enough evidence on either side to prove anything...

[WeekendLazyness]

No - But there are natural phenomens which breaks the rules, unexplained, for no visible reason. And exceptions/accidents can happen ;)
I concur.

[Killphill]

No - But there are natural phenomens which breaks the rules, unexplained, for no visible reason. And exceptions/accidents can happen

Are you saying you think that paranormal occurances, such as ghosts and UFO's are just the universe making a mistake? If not please explain more indepth...

[GrassDragon]

I don't think magic is real, per se, but ESP could exist. We use so little of our brains; it's possible that if we found a way to "wake up" the unused parts, we'd find we have new abilities not even thought possible.

[Killphill]

I agree with you on that, we are probely just not using alll of are brain ot be able to channel such energy.
Magic does seem alittle far off though, you can't just snap your fingers and make somthing explode or materialise in front of you.

[marsius]

I generally figure that the supernatural is just that. It ain't natural. I figure if there really were things like magic or esp someone would have made a buck off of it by now and in the process revealed it to the world.

[Frattimonde]

I agree with you on that, we are probely just not using alll of are brain ot be able to channel such energy.
Magic does seem alittle far off though, you can't just snap your fingers and make somthing explode or materialise in front of you. MAgic Isn´t that easy.
It requires deep concetration and a strong will.

So you can´t just snap your fingers.
Cause magick Is a powerful prayer to the gods, which Is not so easy to cast as you think.

I haven´t really used the magic "Sorcery" or any "Wiccan" spellcraft.
Probably because I´m very Impatient.

So Instead I am trying to find a Way in The Sword.
I seem to have easier for that.

But anyway to make It short.
I do belive strong In magic.

[XTERMIN8OR1]

What´s your opinion on Magic and the Paranormal?

Is there a such force as magic or psionic energies?
Are there ghosts, are there telepaths?

What do you think?Mmh...I think that most magic/paranormal (though it sometimes might be interesting) things aren't real. But it is true, like someone else already said in this thread, that we use just little of our brains. Maybe the human being is capable of communicating with eachother via telepathie.

[Nostradamus]

I beleive in magic and the paranormal because there is one thing I strongly beleive in;
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!

[Frattimonde]

I beleive in magic and the paranormal because there is one thing I strongly beleive in;
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
Agreed, there must be some form of divinnity out there.

[GrassDragon]

MAgic Isn´t that easy.
It requires deep concetration and a strong will.

So you can´t just snap your fingers.
Cause magick Is a powerful prayer to the gods, which Is not so easy to cast as you think.

I haven´t really used the magic "Sorcery" or any "Wiccan" spellcraft.
Probably because I´m very Impatient.

So Instead I am trying to find a Way in The Sword.
I seem to have easier for that.

But anyway to make It short.
I do belive strong In magic.

When you talk about magic or sorcery, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean the traditional "fantasy" style, as in throwing fireballs, and curing wounds? I don't quite understand what you mean when you say "I do believe strong in magic". Does that mean you think it exists? Or you have experienced it yourself? Or you wish it existed?

[Grom_Icecream]

Hmmm. Magic in the traditional sense could be possible but i doubt it. We will more likely, if we havent already, create machines possesing the desired abilitys than gain them ourselves. Skills like ESP are slighty more likely though they would take a while to mainfest, as skills do not suddenly appear.

It would be nice if i could throw fireballs and lighning bolts, but it aint gonna happen anytime soon.

[Whiteknight]

I don't think magic is real, per se, but ESP could exist. We use so little of our brains; it's possible that if we found a way to "wake up" the unused parts, we'd find we have new abilities not even thought possible.
That is a myth that people confuse as fact.

We use all of our brain, all parts, just not at the same time. We use our whole brain, but we only use something like 10% of it at one time.

[Battlecruiser]

NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
That sounds nice but it isn't true. If I wanted I could think of so many examples that contradict that,

[Whiteknight]

That sounds nice but it isn't true. If I wanted I could think of so many examples that contradict that,
Actually, with genetic engineering, I doubt anything is impossible...

(Surpassing post)

[Battlecruiser]

Actually, with genetic engineering, I doubt anything is impossible...

(Surpassing post)
I was talking more physically because there are rules of physics and things that state that somethings just can't happpen.

[WeekendLazyness]

I was talking more physically because there are rules of physics and things that state that somethings just can't happpen.
That's right. Physics explains why you can't move something with your mind or a magic wand, you have to exert a fore upon it.

[Grom_Icecream]

There are many things that are impossible.

NOTHINGS IMPOSSIBLE
That statement is slightly ridiculous when looked at a different way. Say, my pizza was to jump out of the box and slap me in the face, or a rock would suddenly fly into the air and turn into a bird.... Meh.

[Whiteknight]

There are many things that are impossible.


That statement is slightly ridiculous when looked at a different way. Say, my pizza was to jump out of the box and slap me in the face, or a rock would suddenly fly into the air and turn into a bird.... Meh.
I thought you were talking strictly human.

Say we wanted to fly. We could genetically engineer us to have wings. Say you wanted to move things with our minds. I believe that we will eventually grow to use our minds full potential, or will genetically engineer greater minds to do this. Most things pertaining to humans are possible if you give it a great enough time.

[Grom_Icecream]

Say we wanted to fly. We could genetically engineer us to have wings. Hmm, in the future maybe. At the moment scientists are having a bit of trouble finding all the associated genes for things like that. It will take a long time before we can do that.

[Frattimonde]

When you talk about magic or sorcery, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean the traditional "fantasy" style, as in throwing fireballs, and curing wounds? I don't quite understand what you mean when you say "I do believe strong in magic". Does that mean you think it exists? Or you have experienced it yourself? Or you wish it existed?
I mean I haven´t tried of those magicks because, Wicca Is just a load of crap.

To learn about Sorcery Is quite immpossible, since are like no such learning books to find.

But I do belive In other magicks, like the power of the gods.
So called, faith magick.

So I am not talikng traditional fantasy.
I mean real magick.

[GrassDragon]

That is a myth that people confuse as fact.

We use all of our brain, all parts, just not at the same time. We use our whole brain, but we only use something like 10% of it at one time.

I did not know this. It changes my outlook on ESP. It could still be possible, just not in the way I had thought originally.

Say we wanted to fly. We could genetically engineer us to have wings. Say you wanted to move things with our minds. I believe that we will eventually grow to use our minds full potential, or will genetically engineer greater minds to do this. Most things pertaining to humans are possible if you give it a great enough time.

I don't think it would be hard to genetically engineer ourselves to have wings. I think it would be much harder to "train" your mind to manifest thoughts as tangible forces. I don't know how scientists could do it, they'd have to find if it's even possible and what to manipulate.

So I am not talikng traditional fantasy.
I mean real magick.

You still haven't told me what exactly you mean when you say "magick" or "faith magick". It's not Wicca and it's not sorcery, but what is it?

[Frattimonde]

I did not know this. It changes my outlook on ESP. It could still be possible, just not in the way I had thought originally.



I don't think it would be hard to genetically engineer ourselves to have wings. I think it would be much harder to "train" your mind to manifest thoughts as tangible forces. I don't know how scientists could do it, they'd have to find if it's even possible and what to manipulate.



You still haven't told me what exactly you mean when you say "magick" or "faith magick". It's not Wicca and it's not sorcery, but what is it? Faith magick Is a power to make things come true, by saying a prayer to your god. Will say, you ask the god/gods to do you a favor In exchange that you do a favor for them.

But of course, It must be of a good cause or else they won´t do It.
In other words Its a invisable magick, that makes sure that everything works in this world.

Excuse me If I am not good at explaining, I´m a rahter confusive person.

But as I said, real magick cannot be seen.
But Psionic energies could be a form of, "Faith Magick".
Or some divinne inviable magick.

[Nostradamus]

Look guys. I know alot of you are sceptical of my beleifs but you cannot change what I beleive in!

[Frattimonde]

Look guys. I know alot of you are sceptical of my beleifs but you cannot change what I beleive in!
Don´t know about the others.
But I shall not try effect you.

We are all free to belive In whatever Force or Magick that we wish.

But also I belive In magick, so you are not alone.

[Nahotnoj]

That statement is slightly ridiculous when looked at a different way. Say, my pizza was to jump out of the box and slap me in the face, or a rock would suddenly fly into the air and turn into a bird.... Meh.
Or, that your computer would suddenly say "hello clarice" grow arms and legs, throw a nonexistent sheep at you, then turn into a bird and say "ast la vista, baby" turn inside out and then explode. Beat that.

[GrassDragon]

Or, that your computer would suddenly say "hello clarice" grow arms and legs, throw a nonexistent sheep at you, then turn into a bird and say "ast la vista, baby" turn inside out and then explode. Beat that.

OMG my computer did that once...

Right so anyways, what was this thread about? Magic, right right...

Does anyone know a lot about Wicca, or practice it? I've read a book where the main character is a Wiccan, but that's the only bit I've gotten exposed to it.

[EdvardMunch]

"Contrary to popular belief, magic isn't supernatural. True, it is an occult (hidden) practice steeped in millenia of secrecy, slander and misinformation, but it is a natural practice utilizing genuine powers that haven't yet been discovered or labeled by science." - "Wicca: A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner" by Scott Cunningham

This is the view I've been getting from a lot of witches, that magick is basically an unrecognized alchemy. Certainly, some elements of magick have been identified by science. Mystical potions that relieved your pain are now being sold as Tylenol. "Magnetism, indeed, was a firmly established aspect of magic until it was 'discovered' by science." (Cunningham)

That magick is natural, not supernatural, fits entirely within the witchy perspective of nature. The witch is not manipulating some dark force of pure energy, but is instead working with nature probably the same way a scientist does. According to Cunningham, the witch manipulates three main sources of energy: Personal power, Earth power, and divine power.

Personal power is basically like ESP, and it is what powers our bodies. Earth power is the power locked inside of crystals, trees, wind, fire, water, etc. Divine power is the energy of the Goddess and God. When using magick, you are manipulating these powers.

Not all pagans agree with this view, but I get the impression this is the general consensus.

I don't believe in Earth power or divine power, I chalk it all up to ESP. Contrary to shows like Buffy and Charmed, the best magick is considered to be that which comes from you. A lot of witches say that the most effective rituals are ones made up on the spot. Therefore, you are not reciting ancient texts in a tongue you do not speak, nor are you using eye of newt. You instead grab a few crucial items (a wand, a crystal, some spices) and making up a ritual right off the bat. Or you can plan one out. Either way, witches seem to agree that making your own rituals is the best way. I see magick rituals as a way of putting yourself into frenzy which enables you to tap into your natural ESP.

I believe in magick in the first place because, well, a whole lot of other people do. Magick is not simply a "religious experience". When someone talks to God, they might be talking to God, or they might be hallucinating. Whether a person actually did talk to God is a tough one to call. Magick is empirical. Your spell either worked or it didn't (although you could interpret events into believing they did). Therefore, for there to be thousands of people who believe in magick (as I've seen from visiting numerous pagan forums) someone's spells have to be working. These people are certainly not meeting on forums and trading fake stories about magick just to fool me.

http://www.psipog.net/media.php - A site with short videos of people claiming to use telekinesis. These videos are not concrete proof by any means, there are dozens of ways these could be faked and the makers acknowledge that. Nonetheless, they assert that they were not faked. So, these videos will probably be effective for you if you trust that these are not faked videos.

[GrassDragon]

I was thinking about this last night when I was laying in bed. Fratt had this to say about Faith Magic:

Faith magick Is a power to make things come true, by saying a prayer to your god. Will say, you ask the god/gods to do you a favor In exchange that you do a favor for them.

But of course, It must be of a good cause or else they won´t do It.
In other words Its a invisable magick, that makes sure that everything works in this world.

Excuse me If I am not good at explaining, I´m a rahter confusive person.

But as I said, real magick cannot be seen.
But Psionic energies could be a form of, "Faith Magick".
Or some divinne inviable magick.

This seems to me a lot like Christian prayer. You ask God to give you strength or help you do something, and agree to live a good life and spread the word of God (at least that's how I see it, this is not the belief of ALL christians). And many people, me included, believe this works. I had just never thought of the connection between prayer and Faith Magic. It's interesting how different religions believe in some of the the same things, just calling them by different names or practicing them differently.

[DZeil]

There's some interesting websites out there on thist topic...
Hut
Micro PK test > http://www.mdani.demon.co.uk/para/pk2test2.htm

Messed up stuff, and a movie clip > http://www.meaningoflife.i12.com/telekinesis.htm

And then there's the always seriously screwd up Hutchison Effect (http://www.google.com/search?q=Hutchison+Effect&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) which is very odd.

[CODEZERO]

i can snap my fingers and then u will c my sister glaring at me

[Frattimonde]

i can snap my fingers and then u will c my sister glaring at me
What do you mean by that?

[velocitydelta]

yeah, I guess.

[Modred]

I was talking more physically because there are rules of physics and things that state that somethings just can't happpen.

Actually, there is no rule that says you will still be where you are right now in the next instant. It is called random chance. No matter where you are or what you are doing, there is a random chance that it could all stop in an instant, or you could "teleport" somewhere else, or you could cease existing altogether. However, since these things have never happened (at least to be verified), we assume that they will not occur, but that does not mean they are impossible.

As for magick:
I believe that magick exists. I know several people who have been/are involved in Wicca. A few got deeply into it, reciting chant-like prayers as Fratt has said, and actually doing things through these prayers. Others were weirded out by strange things such as floating orbs of light or unexplained natural occurances, like a stereo's volume turning up on its own.

I also believe that magick is opposed to the God of Christianity. If you are praying to gods and/or goddesses other than God, according to Christian belief you are breaking one of God's commands. According to the Bible, those who are not with God are against him, so even if you aren't malevolent towards Christians, or even think magick can be intertwined with Christianity, I think you will eventually hit a roadblock and be forced to decide between God and your powers.

[overdramatic]

i think that ghosts and stuff are real, and it sounds so odd next to all your guys's magic and stuff but i think they do. in jan i had to put one of my dogs to sleep. and my other dog would cry and cry at night when i came home from school. and one night ( my parents were out bowling) and my dog and i were watching t.v. and the dog was crying again. and all of the sudden she stopped and looked at the spot where my old dog used to lay and she did that thing with her ears like when shes confused, and then she looked back at me, and never cried again.

[bluemicrobyte]

What´s your opinion on Magic and the Paranormal?

Is there a such force as magic or psionic energies?
Are there ghosts, are there telepaths?

What do you think?na, i don't hink that stuff exists

[Fenguin]

I was talking more physically because there are rules of physics and things that state that somethings just can't happpen.
Sometimes the laws of physics don't work. :) If you jump at the ground but miss, you'll start flying, unaffected by physics. XD

What´s your opinion on Magic and the Paranormal?

Is there a such force as magic or psionic energies?
Are there ghosts, are there telepaths?

What do you think?
IMO, that kind of stuff exists. I seriously doubt that science would be able to explain everything. For example, there's some attempts to explain how the eye evolved, but they're lumps of BS since the probability of that occuring is so low. :) We're not special, so why are all these improbabilities happening?

[Spdstr]

I think ghosts are real (ever go to Gettysburg?) You can take snaps with your camera and get "orbs" (un focusts ghosts that look like floating spheres, if they're focused they take some other form). I also think that ESP could exist (as some of you said, we havn't reached our brains potential). I also believe that there are aliens (look at all the coverups, also, some of you may have seen it, but I didn't, or can't remember, but there was a floating pyrimid just floating in the air and then flew away extrememly quickly.)

Member,
~ Spdstr

[GiaDragoness]

No - But there are natural phenomens which breaks the rules, unexplained, for no visible reason. And exceptions/accidents can happen ;)
I think that everything obeys the rules of life and laws of reality, but then again, whos to say that there are'nt laws that we dont know about? I would have to say it depends on your definition of "paranormal". Things happen, and when we cant explain it, we declare the happening as a breaking of the laws of reality. Whos to say that the happening, though it may ignore one rule, is following a greater, higher ranked, if you will, rule that we dont know about? Think about it. There are some laws of reality as we know it that if some condition is in effect, a certain number of rules are nullified. Whos to say laws of reality are not always at work which we cannot comprehend, or simply just dont know about? Just look at america back in the 18th century. Whenever something odd or unexplainible happened, "WITCHCRAFT!!". Whos to say that as we evolve, we wont discover some of these new rules? I mean, who knew about laws of electricity a milenium ago?

:smash: Smashy Smashy! :smash:

[SSA_Ultimasheep]

Agreed, there must be some form of divinnity out there.
for example there is a tree hidden deep in california that if conditions stay the same will live forever.

[Frattimonde]

Hmm, I bring this back up.

To see If anyone else would like to say their opinion.

So, anyone?

[Killphill]

Ok, Fratt. Explain the difference of the word "magick" and "magic" then all will be revealed to me.

And um, whats Wicca?

I believe stuff like that exsists, I like the idea the "nothing is impossible".

If somebody's brain capiacity went from 10% to 100% in like a second they would probely have some sort of overload, or go insane. You'd have to take it slow, or have some sort of implant. I don't think magic is just snaping your fingers, you'd have to channel it or somthing. I dont realy belive in magic (throwing fire balls, turning Fratt into a Frog) more like telekinesis (telepaths, ect.).

Tree living forever you say? I find it hard to believe that tree's have a life spand, they seem imortal.

[EdvardMunch]

Ok, Fratt. Explain the difference of the word "magick" and "magic" then all will be revealed to me.

And um, whats Wicca?

I believe stuff like that exsists, I like the idea the "nothing is impossible".

If somebody's brain capiacity went from 10% to 100% in like a second they would probely have some sort of overload, or go insane. You'd have to take it slow, or have some sort of implant. I don't think magic is just snaping your fingers, you'd have to channel it or somthing. I dont realy belive in magic (throwing fire balls, turning Fratt into a Frog) more like telekinesis (telepaths, ect.).

Tree living forever you say? I find it hard to believe that tree's have a life spand, they seem imortal.
I'm not Fratt, but I play a fratboy on TV, and that's close enough I assume.

Magic = Stage magic. Stuff that isn't real.
Magick = Real magick. The K was added to distinguish the magick of witches from the magic of magicians.

Wicca = A denomination of the craft.

Actually, we use 100% of our brains. Maybe not all at once, but over the course of the day you'll end up using 100% of your brain. The brain is designed to eliminate anything it doesn't use so it will stop wasting energy on it. Example: Children who had sadistic parents who never allowed them to see any light were discovered by researchers to either be blind or damn near it. The cause being that the brain trimmed away the neural pathways that make the eyeballs work, since the eyes weren't being used.

Here's a site going into the 10% myth in further detail: http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

[Killphill]

I meant all 100% at once.

[Grom_Icecream]

If we used 100% of our brain at once, we would just be alot better at multitasking. Since unused paths are there for other uses, using 100% would just allow you to do all you can. There is no latent section of the brain that will give you powers of any description if it is suddenly activated. Its just not true. Neither is the belief that using 100% of your brain at one time will make you hugely better at any single thing, if you know what i mean.

Im not a believer in magick and paranormal forces. They rate somewhere near astrology, but with a much less defined process and practically no agreed on theory.

Improbailitys occur all the time, people say how improbable it is that humans evolved, but forget how improbable it is that we were created.

[Frattimonde]

Ok, Fratt. Explain the difference of the word "magick" and "magic" then all will be revealed to me.

And um, whats Wicca?

I believe stuff like that exsists, I like the idea the "nothing is impossible".

If somebody's brain capiacity went from 10% to 100% in like a second they would probely have some sort of overload, or go insane. You'd have to take it slow, or have some sort of implant. I don't think magic is just snaping your fingers, you'd have to channel it or somthing. I dont realy belive in magic (throwing fire balls, turning Fratt into a Frog) more like telekinesis (telepaths, ect.).

Tree living forever you say? I find it hard to believe that tree's have a life spand, they seem imortal.
Whops, Edward have already answered you I see.
Sry.

BTW: You can not transform Fratt into frog.
I´m too strong minded.

[XZminX]

Paranormal is reality!
Witches egsist, but they are not as numerous as before becouse society is much more corrupted than before so there is no need of witches to saduce people and make them sin.
Before people were better, they were uncorrupted.

[Kahuzal]

Yes, and you are a ten thousand year old man, rite? You have experienced said time... v.v duhhh

[ianianian]

Everything has a reasonable and logical explanation no matter how long it takes to find it. i believe in psionic powers as they are created of extreme concentration but there are no such things as ghost!

[singo]

apart from things that dont exist

[Radical_Edward]

Ed meet an alien!!! (session 11 toys in the attic)

[GiaDragoness]

Everything has a reasonable and logical explanation no matter how long it takes to find it. i believe in psionic powers as they are created of extreme concentration but there are no such things as ghost!
Blizzard's Sarah Kerrigan may beg to differ with you on that point.

:smash: Smashy Smashy! :smash:

[singo]

Ianianian vs Sarah Kerrigan.....whos your bet on?

[Frattimonde]

That´s really off-topic, please stay on topic.

[singo]

okay then, "supernatural forces" are a contradiction in terms heres why


if the exist, they have EVOLVED, evolution is a naturl process, therefore the products of it must ALSO be natural. Thank you


and for an encore.....the population of the universe is zero


the universe is infinate in size yes? (or will be eventually) therefore there are an infinate number of planets, however, only a finite number of those planets are inhabited, any finite number divided by infinity is as close to zero as makes no difference. Ergo any people you might meet are a figment of your imagination.


those of you who spotted that this is actually working out population DENSITY have an extra mark

thank you Douglas Adams for first putting forward this (joke) theory in "The hitchhikers guide to the galaxy"

[Xx_bender_xX]

hmm the subject of magic is a very deep thing. I do believe that there is a sort of "magic". its called chi. chi is the energy that flows through the body. With very hard work and concentration a person can redirect the flow of there chi and preform a so called "magic". eg, telekenisis, mind reading, astrol projection, energy blasts and other things. these things are all very real yet only about 15% of the worlds population can do these things(mostly because the rest of the people dont care). you can find these thing in books and on the internet. thats my though. if you dont like it, TOUGH.

[Skapare]

An opinion:

I believe there is an infinity to the power of infinity of things we do not know about, things in ourselves, our world, our universe. We theorize about "dark matter" and "dark energy" in spectrums we haven't yet discovered, and maybe never will. We theorize about quantum sized connections between every particle in existence, about thermodynamic miracles, about ESP, about the universes in our minds and a hundred million other things. I believe if we mastered all those fields there would be a trillion more waiting.

I believe the universe is fractal in nature: The more we see, the more there is to see. In short, impossibility is a local phenomenon. In other words, everything is possible.

[Frattimonde]

An opinion:

I believe there is an infinity to the power of infinity of things we do not know about, things in ourselves, our world, our universe. We theorize about "dark matter" and "dark energy" in spectrums we haven't yet discovered, and maybe never will. We theorize about quantum sized connections between every particle in existence, about thermodynamic miracles, about ESP, about the universes in our minds and a hundred million other things. I believe if we mastered all those fields there would be a trillion more waiting.

I believe the universe is fractal in nature: The more we see, the more there is to see. In short, impossibility is a local phenomenon. In other words, everything is possible.

So, could someone with a strong enough will bend the matter surronding him/her to whatever they wish, or also control weaker beings?

Could someone with a such strong will even do impossible "Matrix-Feats"?

You don´t mind me asking, aye?

[Calibur]

An opinion:

I believe there is an infinity to the power of infinity of things we do not know about, things in ourselves, our world, our universe. We theorize about "dark matter" and "dark energy" in spectrums we haven't yet discovered, and maybe never will. We theorize about quantum sized connections between every particle in existence, about thermodynamic miracles, about ESP, about the universes in our minds and a hundred million other things. I believe if we mastered all those fields there would be a trillion more waiting.

I believe the universe is fractal in nature: The more we see, the more there is to see. In short, impossibility is a local phenomenon. In other words, everything is possible.
So your saying that no matter how much we learn, how much we achieve, their will always be something more. I like that.

[GrassDragon]

Fratt, do you have to bump all your threads after they've been dead a month or more?

[Frattimonde]

Fratt, do you have to bump all your threads after they've been dead a month or more?

Well, I don´t like making new ones all the time.

So I prefer sometimes to revive an old one.

[Scauthra]

This ranges in with my thread on the question of religious sorts.

I do believe there is magic and do believe that there is paranormal activities.

An old friend of mine and I were heavy into this stuff. No, neither of us could do magic, and I do believe he was a bit more crazy when it came to it. (He told me he was the Red Element in the line of 7 old magicians, and he knew two others, Black, and White.) But when it came to paranormal, and the force of nature, we were there. Maybe I am gullible, and I will admit I can be at times, but I do believe in ghosts, or entities in pressence.

Two instances. My old house, the corner of my room, it didn't feel right, my friend didn't feel right near it. I had awful dreams when I slept in that corner, and none when I didn't. Another case was when we visted Williamsburg Virginia, toured the area and wnet to the graveyard, and the more haunted of places.

*Shrugs it off*

But... I would now say that any magical force is well kept secrets, or hidden. Which is good, don't want a random, psychotic wiccan obtaining just a 'mythical' power such as magic. As for the paranormal. I still believe. I have no proof, I just FEEL better believeing.

And that's my ramble.

[Frattimonde]

"We are all free to belive whatever we wish, so long as one does not hurt the other with their beliefs".

<The eternal one, Fratt.>

As I said before, I certainly do belive in magick.

And as you said, It´s well secluded and can only be seen by the cunning.

[Dark_Magneto]

Magick (not to be confused with Magic) and ESP do not exist. Paranormal events have not been shown to happen. If you can demonstrate otherwise, feel free to collect 1 million dollars at your leisure (http://randi.org/research/index.html) for succeeding where every scientist has failed.

[Frattimonde]

Magick (not to be confused with Magic) and ESP do not exist. Paranormal events have not been shown to happen. If you can demonstrate otherwise, feel free to collect 1 million dollars at your leisure (http://randi.org/research/index.html) for succeeding where every scientist has failed.

Belive what you wish.

I will still belive In magick, even if I can´t prove that It exsists.

[Ragnarox]

This is an argument that cannot be proven, or disproven. Bizzare things happen in this universe, we know not what some of them, heck most of them are. We do not have the proper equipment, or as it stands, mental capacity to deep study many of the things that we do not know. There are things that can be illusions or distractions, yet there are undiniable bits of evidence that are yelling out that the paranormal exists. Who knows what our world is comprised of beneath its physical and material body.

[LordAhriman]

There will always be more ways to "learn" the truth. One thing can be seen a thousand ways, even within a single person, and as long as people retain the balls to say that what they observe is true, there will always be learning.

[Ragnarox]

There will always be more ways to "learn" the truth. One thing can be seen a thousand ways, even within a single person, and as long as people retain the balls to say that what they observe is true, there will always be learning.

However, is it not true that the more knowlage you accumulate the more there is to learn? (Take Nuclear Physics for example.)

[singo]

that is a good thing isnt it?