Is there such a thing as a trigger viewer?

[zogzog]

Hi,
I'm trying to learn about mapping and I was wondering if it's possible to view triggers on a protected map so I can see how certain things are done?

I'm not interested in unprotecting maps or changing protected maps, all i want is to see triggers so I don't have to ask every single question I have in forums like these.

[TheDriver]

theres a program called trigger viewer Google It.
P.S. Check the FAQ

[zogzog]

This is why I hate asking questions because the answer is always: check the faq.

Please show me where in the faq in mentions anything about viewing triggers on a protected map.

Btw I did google it before I came here and found something called triggerview2. When I run it I get an error like :"Sytem error 0000000h8h08h8 the specified module could not be found." I could only find it on one site so I figured maybe it was just a hoax program which is why I came here asking if there was a 'for real' program.

[Basan]

This is why I hate asking questions because the answer is always: check the faq.

As per request (http://up.kupatrix.com/f/9/Pointing_the_obvious2.jpg). :smirk: By any chance did you checked the link to the old resource modding guide (http://www.warboards.org/showpost.php?p=224693&postcount=3) linked inside the current FAQ?
If you don't like reading, then I suggest you to develop that asset. ;)

As an alternative, the WB's inborn search feature (http://www.warboards.org/search.php?) works nicely as well. :P

[zogzog]

Oh the smugness...

Good thing this board has Aqotrooper. He's the only person I've seen helping people without the attitude.

1. Anyways you can stop smirking now as when I go to where your first link suggests it just loops back to itself.
2. No I didnt check the old resource guide, why would I? It's old for a reason. Most people would consider it a safe assumption that if there's an updated version of a faq, everything in previous versions is in it and more.
3. If you had read my last post, you would see I had actually found the program myself and the problem is no longer finding it but getting it to not give an error message everytime it starts.

If you don't like reading I suggest you develop that asset before offering your (use the term loosely --->) 'help.'

[SuiCidAl-KiSmEt]

I don't believe there is such a thing called a trigger viewer. First off, especially in more powerful protectors, when a map is protected, it’s protected. Meaning sounds, triggers, etc, are inaccessible or altered except for playing it in StarCraft.

Another reason why trigger viewers really don't exist is because there are map unprotecters. No point in trying to waste all your time just looking at the triggers instead of cracking into the map and seeing all. I don't suggest you try to get one of those though.

And another thing, Warboards' StarCraft Maps and Mods Depot section is full of skilled and experience mappers and modders which don't disrespect the maker's decision in how they take care of their maps. If you got a question about triggers, you could ask...

[zogzog]

I have been asking. I have alot of questions that could be easily answered by being able to look at the triggers instead of asking them all one by one but if that's what you suggest I do I will.

Anyways it's my understanding that a trigger viewer was a way of learning from protected maps without compromising the author's credit of making the map. I'd gladly use a map unprotector to view the triggers but they seem impossible to get and obviously no one is going to take my word for it that that's the only thing I'm going to use it for.

[Aqo]

The program (a definately-working one) is attached in my post, click and download.

It works fine for me; sometimes when I open a map it says that the map may be corrupted, but if you wait a bit afterwards it still opens it and lets you see the triggers.
If you install what I attached and it still doesn't work, than also download and install Visual Basic 4.0, which can be downloaded directly through here: Download Link (http://www.starcraft.org/downloads/OtherFiles/RuntimeFiles/Visual%20Basic%204.0%20Runtime)

I also have "Trigger Viewer 2" but I like it less because it seems bugged.

[zogzog]

Thanks for the links but it's still not working :/

I installed visual basic and I still get the "Sytem error 0000000h8h08h8 the specified module could not be found" message. Same thing happens with triggerviewer 2. I found a few posts around the net from people having the same problem but no solutions so far.

Guess I just can't use it ><

[TheNomad]

did you install all VB runtimes ?

(PS trust me, smugness will help you learn more than having everything given to you on a silver platter) :)

[Basan]

Oh the smugness...

Good thing this board has Aqotrooper. He's the only person I've seen helping people without the attitude.

1. Anyways you can stop smirking now as when I go to where your first link suggests it just loops back to itself.
2. No I didnt check the old resource guide, why would I? It's old for a reason. Most people would consider it a safe assumption that if there's an updated version of a faq, everything in previous versions is in it and more.
3. If you had read my last post, you would see I had actually found the program myself and the problem is no longer finding it but getting it to not give an error message everytime it starts.

If you don't like reading I suggest you develop that asset before offering your (use the term loosely --->) 'help.'

Lately, I've been getting tired of newcomers that come around and ask stuff that could be easily answered if they spent a lil' more time around the inborn search feature. That and actually reading stuff up. Thus my "attitude" as you portrait it.

1. Go back there and actually read down below. No loop over as you've stated (if in doubt, look at the url's of both threads). And as I've said, it's the old FAQ and it has many editing programs in that thread linked in below posts.
2. It's not my fault that whom updated the resource guide didn't went through the trouble of looking for the merit of the suggested apps below. Note that most of'em are mapping oriented. In the current resource guide, about 92% of the present are solely modding oriented (and yes, am referring to the old one just because of that).
3. Anyway... here's the version (http://up.kupatrix.com/f/9/Trigger_Viewer_1.08.rar) I possess of it. It's the 1.08 one and it's fairly quick handling the maps. And it's been working in my Windows OS's (2K NT and then upgraded to XP) and the only extras that I have that may influenced it are the Visual Basic 4, the 6 and the other auxiliary files related to SF. What's you OS anyway? It may actually be the source for the hassles you're experiencing (i.e., for instance I do recall that issue of Ice not working in XP).

And I did read it, hence the initial pointing out to the version that I knew it worked. :P

[TheNomad]

Lately, I've been getting tired of newcomers that come around and ask stuff that could be easily answered if they spent a lil' more time around the inborn search feature. That and actually reading stuff up. Thus my "attitude" as you portrait it.
You're not the only one :P


3. Anyway... here's the version (http://up.kupatrix.com/f/9/Trigger_Viewer_1.08.rar) I possess of it. It's the 1.08 one ...

I don't mean to brag :P But I will give you version 2 :)

[zogzog]

did you install all VB runtimes ?

(PS trust me, smugness will help you learn more than having everything given to you on a silver platter) :)

-I installed whatever was at the link aqo gave me with no problems and visual basic runtimes now shows up in the add/remove programs so it's installed. Is there something else i'm supposed to be installing?

-Smugness doesn't help anybody. If someone comes up to you in the street (who obviously isn't from around there) and asks you 'where is the bank,' would you tell them to go buy a map and learn how to read it when you could have just as easily said 'it's right behind you.'
It's rude. Have some patience or don't reply at all.

Lately, I've been getting tired of newcomers that come around and ask stuff that could be easily answered if they spent a lil' more time around the inborn search feature. That and actually reading stuff up. Thus my "attitude" as you portrait it.

1. Go back there and actually read down below. No loop over as you've stated (if in doubt, look at the url's of both threads). And as I've said, it's the old FAQ and it has many editing programs in that thread linked in below posts.
2. It's not my fault that whom updated the resource guide didn't went through the trouble of looking for the merit of the suggested apps below. Note that most of'em are mapping oriented. In the current resource guide, about 92% of the present are solely modding oriented (and yes, am referring to the old one just because of that).
3. Anyway... here's the version (http://up.kupatrix.com/f/9/Trigger_Viewer_1.08.rar) I possess of it. It's the 1.08 one and it's fairly quick handling the maps. And it's been working in my Windows OS's (2K NT and then upgraded to XP) and the only extras that I have that may influenced it are the Visual Basic 4, the 6 and the other auxiliary files related to SF. What's you OS anyway? It may actually be the source for the hassles you're experiencing (i.e., for instance I do recall that issue of Ice not working in XP).

And I did read it, hence the initial pointing out to the version that I knew it worked. :P

1. I agree there's a reasonable amount of searching one should be expected to do before asking a question and I did that. Your solution of searching the faq, linking to an old faq and reading the 4 pages of posts that don't even compose the faq does not constitute reasonable. I'm not saying it was difficult, I'm saying it was not part of commonly known info, which i DID check, and asked after not finding it there. I did read quite a few of the threads on this board in the past few days and noticed a similar theme in your replies to others. If it bugs you so much to answer questions, maybe you shouldn't answer them before you end up having a coronary.:P

2. Never said it was your fault. As i said if something is to be considered 'easily found' it should be on the CURRENT faq. Are you telling me everyone should read the current faq, the old faq, every single post on the old faq and every webpage on the internet before asking any questions?

3. See that wasn't so hard, was it. That's what we call: helping. Anways when I run it, I get the splash screen with 'press any key to continue' but I can't find the any key. Just kidding. I get a 'Runtime error '7' out of memory error'

[TheNomad]

geez... wish windows was friendlier than just telling a stupid error message...

hmm, are you using winxp ? there are some issues with modding tools in win vista...

[zogzog]

win xp.

[TwilightTempler]

I didint know vista was out... ill go get it anyone no how much it is?

On Topic: couldent you just go into a map editor and lookat the trigger in the trigger box? all you gotta do to the protected maps is un-protect em with a program

[TheNomad]

all you gotta do to the protected maps is un-protect em with a program

lol...
You do realize some maps can't be, that 1 half-3 quarters of the members here won't quite support this and that he prolly doesn't have an unprotector or didn't find one if he's asking for this ?

[Basan]

-I installed whatever was at the link aqo gave me with no problems and visual basic runtimes now shows up in the add/remove programs so it's installed. Is there something else i'm supposed to be installing?

-Smugness doesn't help anybody. If someone comes up to you in the street (who obviously isn't from around there) and asks you 'where is the bank,' would you tell them to go buy a map and learn how to read it when you could have just as easily said 'it's right behind you.'
It's rude. Have some patience or don't reply at all.

And have you by any chance installed the auxiliary files needed to properly run SF (located in the Resource Guide)? Hmm, from current description status I'm pondering that ya still haven't.
It all depends on the way ya ask, in the end. If done somewhat pretentiously as ya did, then be prepared to reap the whirlwind.
And I have patience. In nearly 3 years here only replied that way, around 20 times give or take a few. And I'll even let you guess in which kind of ones I've done so. :P

1. I agree there's a reasonable amount of searching one should be expected to do before asking a question and I did that. Your solution of searching the faq, linking to an old faq and reading the 4 pages of posts that don't even compose the faq does not constitute reasonable. I'm not saying it was difficult, I'm saying it was not part of commonly known info, which i DID check, and asked after not finding it there. I did read quite a few of the threads on this board in the past few days and noticed a similar theme in your replies to others. If it bugs you so much to answer questions, maybe you shouldn't answer them before you end up having a coronary.:P

2. Never said it was your fault. As i said if something is to be considered 'easily found' it should be on the CURRENT faq. Are you telling me everyone should read the current faq, the old faq, every single post on the old faq and every webpage on the internet before asking any questions?

3. See that wasn't so hard, was it. That's what we call: helping. Anways when I run it, I get the splash screen with 'press any key to continue' but I can't find the any key. Just kidding. I get a 'Runtime error '7' out of memory error'

1. At the expense of sounding pretentious here, I'll just say this: Have you even looked through all links in my posts? Am sure that I've already got a link to the particular post with the app you were looking for in one of'em.
Later on when you said nothing if it worked or not, I then took the initiative to see if it still worked (thus the hosting link in more recent postings of mine).
I can almost assuredly take the bet that you only read more recent threads (this week or so), most particularly the ones done by folks who aren't up for reading and find what's in front of their faces (and still come acting with 'atittude'). For reference, see my above paragraphs in this post (just below the 1st quote).

2. So? And isn't that link to the old FAQ in the recent one? :rolleyes: It must be left there for a reason (or it'd have been removed), right? Could it have been the mapping tools? Who knows?
And I particularly enjoyed your "non sequiter (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html#nonseq)" and sweeping generalization (http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Dicto%20simpliciter) inference into having to read every webpage on the world just to search a solution for your problem (beforehand making a thread asking how to solve it). Lovely.

3. There are several ways of helping and I did so in the past. Dont' like it, go elsewhere to find a more suiting manner that fits your desires. It's not my fault that you want all given to ya and not actually having the pleasure to learn the least for yourself. I did pointed out to a version of the app that worked in the old FAQ. And when you haven't said the least bit about it (dejá vù feeling here), I went to check it and saw that SC Index didn't have that program anymore and thus made a pack of mine and hosted it.
Tiny side note: As for a mere reference not all that important, but that may end this shananigan of yours - most of my present karma is due to assisting others. :P

Edit add: As for the error you're experiencing now, MS had this posted (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/257947) 'bout it. You may want n' try to reinstall the product that generated the error just in case. :_poke: Still searching as always, right? :D

[zogzog]

I'm only going to say this one more time as you appear to have a comprehension problem. :concern:

This link you first gave leads to a single post that reads as such:

SC Trigger (http://www.scindex.com/downloads/?fileid=177) and what it does.

Quote: Originally Posted by Site's description



Helps you make triggers that give money or a set number of points for every kill made by a player.




Side note add: Btw, I consider it a miscelaneous tool for triggering. And as usual, this post can be dealt as any staff may deem it fit. :)

Add: After seeing the tools better I noticed that StarDraft (http://www.campaigncreations.org/starcraft/programs/index.shtml) is also missing, altough it's an old tool some still use it and then convert it's files with more recent ones.
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That's it.

And have you by any chance installed the auxiliary files needed to properly run SF (located in the Resource Guide)?

And did you by any chance stop to think maybe I don't know wtf SF is or that I even needed it? Hence why people ask questions. :rolleyes:

It all depends on the way ya ask, in the end. If done somewhat pretentiously as ya did, then be prepared to reap the whirlwind.

Do you even know what pretentious means? I asked about trigger viewer with a clear intention of learning about triggers and not for the purpose of stealing maps or whatever. What 'way' did I word that that was even remotely pretentious?

Later on when you said nothing if it worked or not

I've said every step of the way exactly which versions I've tried and the different error messages I was getting including for the one you linked. I don't know much clearer it could be.

And isn't that link to the old FAQ in the recent one? :rolleyes: It must be left there for a reason (or it'd have been removed), right? Could it have been the mapping tools? Who knows?


And it isn't even in the old faq itself its one of 4 pages of posts in reply to the old faq. You keep acting like it's expected to have looked there first, as if rummaging through a YEAR old thread was the obvious place to find the answer :rolleyes:. Though I'm glad you enjoyed my accurate assessment of the situation.

There are several ways of helping and I did so in the past. Dont' like it, go elsewhere to find a more suiting manner that fits your desires.

(Apparently answering questions isn't one of them). And I'm fine here thanks, there are SOME helpful people here. Fortunately you only represent part of the small portion of people who get their jollies off of talking down to new users. Every board has at least one. :D

Edit add: As for the error you're experiencing now, MS had this posted (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/257947) 'bout it. You may want n' try to reinstall the product that generated the error just in case. Still searching as always, right?

As a matter of fact I researched all the errors I've gotten. You're aware that link you posted is for the visual basic program itself right? Runtimes are for running programs that were created with visual basic and not the compiler itself. But... just another chance for you to imply that I'm not doing anything to find the answer when it's obvious I've done pretty much everything I can. It's clear that you'll habour that attitude no matter what the circumstances are so as I said before, stop replying to my thread.