Anyome play, you know, real warhammer?

[BrotherGreen]

You know, the original?

I used to play Brettonnia before i left my moms house. 4,500 point army including the king, hero on pegusus, 72 knights (Grail/Round), and a ton of men at arms/archers.

[Giggilyomeromicon]

Real Warhammer, as in Fantasy Battle? I don't think anyone here really likes that.

[kongurous]

"Real" Warhammer is a matter of personal preference. Both have subtitles after the name, and both are known as Warhammer.

That said, I started a Hordes of Chaos army once.

[Darmago]

My friend used to play... but I never really got into it.. I've only been into 40k and mechwarrior.

[Ragnarox]

40K all the way, been playing ever since I was seven years old.

[EvilEggCracker]

I'm gonna start collecting an Empire army soon.

Although their spear carriers clothing is putting me off them...Might go full Knights :D

[Pisces]

I am a zombie regiment short of a 2000 vampire count army, Von carstein, have the the Lahmian models but my army isn't really designed to be used with Lahmian vampires since it is designed around call winds (no flying units, lots of cavalry)

I'd like to collect a tomb kings or wood elf army but it is so expensive, some of my skeles can be changed to become tomb king skeles.

EEC: If I were to collect a full knight army I would use hordes of Chaos using knights of Chaos as shock cavalry, marauder horsemen as light cavalry to pester their archers, wizards, artiliary and flanks; and warhounds to shield your knights as well as acting as light cavalry, perhaps throw in some demonic cavalry/flyers to instill abit of fear.

[EvilEggCracker]

The problem with that is, if I go with Chaos I will have to get some Warriors of Chaos as they look so damn cool.

Damnit. If only the Empire units looked like that.

[Pisces]

I think knights of chaos look so much cooler, of course they are hideously expensive money-wise but since they're also hideously expensive point-wise then atleast you won't need many of them.

Empire knights do look damn cool too, I converted some using spare zombie/skeleton bits into zombie knights acting as black knights and I must say appart from the black coach, they are the coolest looking unit in my army. Admittly I don't know anything about an empire army but couldn't you just use empire milita rather than state spearmen? Empire militia look cool. Even though I love unconvential armies (close combat IG in 40k kick ass) I don't think empire has enough variety in cavalary to form a knight army.

[llamaman88]

Dude the Bretonians are awesome i just started them, also i'm a spacemarine fanatic if you play 40k

[BrotherGreen]

Warhammer Fantasy only got its subtitle when 40k came around

Before, it was just Warhammer. So yes, fantasy is original and "real". 40k is 40,000 years later.

While 40k is cool, it was designed for the little boys who need guns to show their manliness - and thats not what the game is about.

my buddy plays Empire, and personally, I wouldnt go with them. Elves are always cool to look at, and do some serious damage. Tomb and Undead sets are not bad either.

[Darmago]

]While 40k is cool, it was designed for the little boys who need guns to show their manliness - and thats not what the game is about.

Of course, Swords are way more sophisticated than guns. Regular warhammer is designed for a much older crowd who are completely secure in their manliness and do not need silly guns to make them feel more macho, after all, they have swords. Although there is a small fraction of manliness in regular warhammer, it is not nearly as much of a length contest as Warhammer 40k.

[EvilEggCracker]

little boys who need guns to show their manliness
This quote is hilariously untrue, but it is just too funny when you later say this in the same post:

Elves are always cool to look at
Yeah, cause Wood Elves are cool.

[Giggilyomeromicon]

Before, it was just Warhammer. So yes, fantasy is original and "real". 40k is 40,000 years later.

That's like saying Starwars is just LoTR, except several billion years in the future, and in a different galaxy.

[kongurous]

That's like saying Starwars is just LoTR, except several billion years in the future, and in a different galaxy.

Yeah... someone isn't completely familiar with the entire lore behind 40k and FB, and I think this person is the thread starter.

In earlier works of fiction in both universes, it is mentioned and hinted at that the planet in Warhammer Fantasy Battle is located somewhere inside the Eye of Terror, they are one in the same as far as universe and time period goes. As for guns and such... well, close-ranged combat plays just as much part in a 40k battle as the guns do. The guns just help.

[Ragnarox]

While 40k is cool, it was designed for the little boys who need guns to show their manliness

Ya know, that's funny because as far as I'm concerned the Empire has more guns than the Tyranids do...and so do the Dwarves.

Although you argue that showing "manliness" is not what the game is about, your quote has a parallel structure which implies that the game is all about "manliness" so watch where you contradict yourself.

[BrotherGreen]

Its clear i've offended a few people who are now trying to pick apart my post in order to rebute.

The only one thats really true is the elf statement.

I meant High Elves, for the record. I dont even consider Wood Elves as a race because they blow so hard.

I was also generalizing with the small penis remark as i see tons of space marines army compiled completely of the same old blue marines with large guns, and two people just shoot at eachother all game. To be honest, we have video games for that.

The original thought behind 40k was that it was 40,000 years later. You cannot rebute this because on the ORIGINAL 40k box (with the space marines and Eldar) it says, Warhammer, 40,000 years later.........


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Giggilyomeromicon]

Oh, but I can rebute that. You see, in 40k humanity was born on earth, a planet which was lacking in legions of chaos or troll armies. The reason it's called "40k" is because it's in the fortieth millennium of human history. It has nothing to do with Warhammer. Also, you may have is interpreted the box. It might have been saying "The game of Warhammer, but 40,000 years in the future". i.e. the same gameplay but in a different setting

It's kind of funny you say that the 40k armies are the same, because to me it looks like Warhammer is just a bunch of guys with swords running around hacking at each other for the entire game. To be honest, we also have video games for that.

Btw, those "blue marines" are the Ultramarines chapter, and they are rather popular with Space Marines players. And rather then shooting each other with their Bolters, they would be killing Orks, or Tyranid.

[Pisces]

Yeah... someone isn't completely familiar with the entire lore behind 40k and FB, and I think this person is the thread starter.

In earlier works of fiction in both universes, it is mentioned and hinted at that the planet in Warhammer Fantasy Battle is located somewhere inside the Eye of Terror, they are one in the same as far as universe and time period goes. As for guns and such... well, close-ranged combat plays just as much part in a 40k battle as the guns do. The guns just help.

They were quite specific about that in earily 40k, the fantasy world was an experiment (not sure by who) to see what happened if they stuck all the intelligent races of the universe on one planet; there used to be lizardmen and skaven units in 40k, there is still a referance to lizardmen in the 40k rulebook. The lore behind the link has changed a few times in contradictory ways so now I don't think there is any official link, they seem to pretend that the old lore never existed.

[singo]

Hmm, am I the only person to think that everyone is taking this far to seriously?

One game has bows, pointy sticks and magic
The other has guns, pointy sticks and psionics

The difference is.... er.... ah......


Yeah....

[Giantfish]

I'm starting 40k...

Fantasy seems ok, but I don't have enough money for both and no one I know collects fantasy.

[Darkslayer633]

Hmm, am I the only person to think that everyone is taking this far to seriously?

One game has bows, pointy sticks and magic
The other has guns, pointy sticks and psionics

The difference is.... er.... ah......


Yeah....

I'm with singo on this.

[EvilEggCracker]

No, we aren't! We're defending our livelehood, damnit!

[BrotherGreen]

No, we aren't! We're defending our livelehood, damnit!


I have to agree


XD

Anyway, This will never get ended because its obvious both sides are firm in their belief :o. Not to menton we're now being laughed at for debating an issue.

Back to the actual question, but now, Rephrased! Newer Improved!

Anyone play FANTASY?

I play BRETTONIA

[EvilEggCracker]

I recently started collecting Hordes of Chaos. Damn those Chaos Warriors look amazing. Although I still don't know which God to go for, any suggestions?

[Giggilyomeromicon]

I recently started collecting Hordes of Chaos. Damn those Chaos Warriors look amazing. Although I syill don't know which God to go for, any suggestions?

Tzeentch or Khorne. Mostly Tzeentch.

[singo]

Tzeentch all the way, especially as with the new rules for magic the mark of Tzeentch for regiments is a LOT more powerfull.

Unless you are going up against a lot of fear causeing enemies, in which case losing that mark of Chaos Undivided hurts (Because you can reroll your fear tests with undivided)

Oh, and ALWAYS upgrade your Chaos Knights (when you get them, and that is definately a when not an if :P) to chosen status.
Hell, upgrade your biggest unit of warriors too.

[Dark_Viper]

I play WH40K
I have a large army of Gen 2/Gen 3 Tyranids.. Ill be upgrading to gen 4 when i finish school.

Just looking at the newer generation makes me drool

[EvilEggCracker]

We're talking about "real warhammer" (XD) here, damnit! :P

[Dark_Viper]

We're talking about "real warhammer" (XD) here, damnit! :P


40k is also the real Table Top Warhammer.. theres 40k and fantasy.

[kongurous]

I play WH40K
I have a large army of Gen 2/Gen 3 Tyranids.. Ill be upgrading to gen 4 when i finish school.

Just looking at the newer generation makes me drool

I can't stand Tyranid, but it's nice to see someone else who plays 40k.

[EvilEggCracker]

What's wrong with Tyranids? The ones I hate are the bloody Tau. And the Eldar. Damn them all too hell!

[kongurous]

What's wrong with Tyranids? The ones I hate are the bloody Tau. And the Eldar. Damn them all too hell!

"The more I learn about these aliens, the more I come to understand what drives them, the more I hate them. I hate them for what they are and for what they may one day become. I hate them not because they hate us but because they are incapable of good, honest, human hatred." - Inquisitor Agmar on Tyranids

[EvilEggCracker]

Uber Quotage. That's why I've always preferred the Imperial Forces (Inquisition and Imperial Guard in particular) because of the background and feel too them. A harsh, but neccessary, regime that sends billions to die for the Emperor daily. Gotta love it.

A lot of the other races just seem soulless in comparison. Necrons especially.

[kongurous]

Uber Quotage. That's why I've always preferred the Imperial Forces (Inquisition and Imperial Guard in particular) because of the background and feel too them. A harsh, but neccessary, regime that sends billions to die for the Emperor daily. Gotta love it.

Not so much necessary as it is habit. For 10,000 years, blood, both human and alien, has been spilled fighting for the God-Emperor. The Imperium is one big warmonger, looking for something to kill.

Necrons especially.

So funny I forgot to laugh.

[Ragnarox]

A lot of the other races just seem soulless in comparison.

Hey, don't accuse the Tau of not having souls just because they're a bunch of communists! But you're right about the Imperium, the sheer level of hatred which runs the entire society is so connected to the core of human motivation that it gives players (especially me) a good kick out of playing any Imperial army.

[Ktan]

Necrons have a hell of a lot of interesting history. Tyranids just appeared one day. There's a bit of mystery surrounding them, but they are incredibly bland when it comes to backstory. Even when you read the fiction in the Nid codex and compare it to that of the Necron codex, there's a lot more too it. When the nids are in fan fiction, it kinda just dissolves into a 'oh noes, we are all going to die, *sob*.' In the Necron fiction, the Imperials and Eldar seem to have a sense of detrimination. Then they see the error of their ways, mwahahah. Necrons have the appeal that they are like a puzzle to solve. The very suggestion that one of their deities could be the Machine God is interesting enough.

The Tau are very interesting. We know little about them, but there are lots of tantalising tid-bits to speculate about, that have some kind of founding. Are the Tau really free? Are the Vespids really allied through choice? I've not read the Codex, but I am aware that through Xenology and the Codex, such questions are raised.

The Eldar and Dark Eldar (although the DE dearly need some new fluff, from what I hear) are deeply fascinating. Add the Harlequins in and you've got perhaps one of the most exuberently interesting races in the 40K universe.

I don't need to say much about Chaos. From the start, that was going to be an interesting faction. In fact, in DoW: DC, I like the direction the Chaos Lord has taken. I love that new voice! It shows Chaos can have a somewhat sublte and more sinister undertone.

I agree that the Imperials, however, are very interesting too, particularly the Space Marines. I love the way the 'rines are organised and the way they fight. I especially like the 'blandest' chapter, the Ultramarines, merely because they are pretty much the epitomy of how a Marine should live and fight.

Tyranids have none of this. It is all idle speculation. there have been implicit suggestions that they were actually the Krork and that the Outsider controls them as the hive mind, but this is merely idle fan specualation and AFAIK not in any way suggested by the Codecies or other such fluff. It was this combined with the sheer amount of painting that has driven me away from the nids a little. (Maybe it's my fault for choosing a black and yellow colour scheme with red skin.)

[kongurous]

So I started a Beasts of Chaos army. I feel no regrets!