Fastest Factory Unit build order

[tyrean]

Hi! I'm new here... and pretty noob at sc :P

I'm trying to find out if I can improve on going for mechanical units as early as possible? My current build order is supply on the seventh scv, scout with the eighth, barracks and refinery when the supply depot finishes and then factory... anyway way to make that faster? my friend always seems to get tanks to my base before I do...

Thanks!

[Cpt.Chronic]

Build your first depot at 9 supply. Then when the money allows, a barracks, followed shortly by a refinery. Then start your factory when you have 200 min/100 gas, and build your second depot after this.

[U-238]

Build your first depot at 9 supply. Then when the money allows, a barracks, followed shortly by a refinery. Then start your factory when you have 200 min/100 gas, and build your second depot after this.

tyrean I know that sounds like BS but you have to believe its effectiveness. The stronger econ early means you'll have that 200/100 earlier than you would if you built early.

[Siege_Commander]

O thanks. I was lookin for this too :)

[ShIhNe]

is it faster if you build refinery and rax at same time?
or is that just some gosu build order not intended for noobs

[StarCraftMasta]

You need a "rax" to be able to make a factory.

[ShIhNe]

ok well, watching some boxer replays,i see he waits until min is at 250, then starts barracks and ref at same time. ref takes shorter time to finish than rax, and w/ perfect timing, his rax came right after his depot, his fac came right after his rax, and so on.

im just asking if building rax first is more effective than building them at the same time, or vice versa.

[GroG]

In the grand scheme of things, having your rax 2 seconds earlier probably doesn't matter a whole lot..

[own3d0406]

In the grand scheme of things, having your rax 2 seconds earlier probably doesn't matter a whole lot..

Us "big picture" people will never be understood. :P

[blupp74]

is it faster if you build refinery and rax at same time?
or is that just some gosu build order not intended for noobs

In theory, the SCV that builds the refinery would instead be mining a little longer, allowing for more income for that period.
But since minerals will be plenty by then, you want the gas asap.
And you definetly want the barracks asap too (barracks take longer to build, so if you build it later, you'll have to wait longer before starting factory).

...but in the grand scheme of things...yeah...probably doesn't matter a whole lot.

But early game BO for teching Terran would be

8/9 depot
10 barracks
12 refinery
15/16 factory

[lammas]

is it faster if you build refinery and rax at same time?
or is that just some gosu build order not intended for noobs
yea but the adventage that you gain with it is really small. Its pretty much all the same how you do it as long as your factory is started before 2 minutes 40 seconds. (if you do it ASAP skipping scvs and shit you get it at 2:25 and with 11 rax / 11 gas build 2:30 so these thing really make small diffrences. Tho those 15 seconds can turn the game around)

[blupp74]

yea but the adventage that you gain with it is really small. Its pretty much all the same how you do it as long as your factory is started before 2 minutes 40 seconds. (if you do it ASAP skipping scvs and shit you get it at 2:25 and with 11 rax / 11 gas build 2:30 so these thing really make small diffrences. Tho those 15 seconds can turn the game around)

How exactly does this work?
To build a Factory you need a barracks, 200 minerals and 100 gas.

The advantage you gain by waiting with the barracks until you can afford both gas and barracks is that your SCV's (2 of them) will mine a little longer, giving you more minerals. But since you generally have no problems getting 200 minerals by the time your barracks is done, this advantage isn't really necessary.
What's important is the gas. And by starting gas at the same time as barracks, you DO start it a little earlier, giving you more time to collect gas while the barracks is building.

But the barracks will be finished later, won't it? And I usually don't have to wait long after the barracks is done until I have 200/100.

So I don't really see the advantage. Guess I should try it out a few times first...

[GroG]

You also wait to build your 2nd depot until after you start the fact, giving you a faster fact but hurting your econ.

[lammas]

So I don't really see the advantage. Guess I should try it out a few times first...

Actually I mixed things a bit there. What makes it fast isnt making them same time but making 11rax / 11gas instead of 11rax/12gas. 12 rax / 12gas gives factory 2:40 +-3 (didnt test for exact time)
11rax / 12gas gives fac 2:37. However 11rax/11gas gives fac 2:30 or something. 10rax/10gas gives it 2:25. Only 11rax/11gas requires later suply. I think that 11rax/11gas has unit count 3 lower than 12rax/12gas at around 40 suply.

[ShIhNe]

well i was watching a boxer reaplay, and it seems that the amount of time to start a ref and get 100 gas is almost the exact same time as it takes to finish a rax, therefore, during the time the rax and ref are being built, you can make another depot or save up.

so technically boxer built 9 depot, 10 rax & ref ( when the depot was done), 11 scv, 12 scv mine gas, 13 mine gas, and right when about the rax is done, you should have really close to 100 gas to start fac.

then from there you can make another depot, or another fac, then progress to an earlier 4 or 5 vult rush, depending on waht ya built first

( i saw a really nice replay of boxer proxy fac gundam)

i still need to work on vult micro so i dont have to tech to tanks right after the shop is done, making me weak vs zlots.....
(i hate zlots....zlots are the doom of terran...esp in tank/mine pushes.....)

i only do that when im late w/ my fac and its too late to out number the goons

then i progress to getting reaver dropped, contained, and eventually surrounded and dead.

well i really just wanted to know if it was faster or not. i think it sorta puts gundam outta the question though