Draft.. mm.

[AJ]

http://congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg

Yum.

[TheGreatBrain]

Oh poop.

Can't say I like this at all.

[pixels]

Why...

[Cpt.Chronic]

To kill more women and children of course.

[Graeme]

<3 <3 <3 Canada! Ah well, I feel your pain guys. Hey . . . this reminds me of that whole John Titor thing . . . things seem to be falling into place. (if you have no clue what I'm talking about, http://www.johntitor.com)

[hammocksleeper]

Yeah I turn 18 in less than two months...I have to sign up for that shit.

[ZeroDarkStar]

I'm scared now. =P

Not really, war doesn't scare me. My grandma's apple fritter? That's another story.

[Whiteknight]

Oh my god... Well, US has gone to hell in a handbasket.

Thank god I'm in Canada! <3<3<3<3

Wow... you guys can't even hide out under university... that's STUPID! That is ruining people's lives! People who have a great chance in life shouldn't have to postpone it... oh well. Thank you, Canada. I suspect our dollar will go up soon and we will have some immigration now.

I doubt Bush will last the year if this comes through.

[RogueRed2]

Fuck!

I'm gonna be 18 in two years :(

Hey..since I have asthma...I have two years to get overweight and not get drafted! Maybe I can fake pregnancy too...

[Whiteknight]

Fuck!

I'm gonna be 18 in two years :(

Hey..since I have asthma...I have two years to get overweight and not get drafted! Maybe I can fake pregnancy too...Well, then, gain to 400 pounds and you can claim disability.

EDIT: I have asthma too, I'd die if I got drafted.

[Battlecruiser]

Retarded Bush, I have to sign up for it in less than 4 years.

[Kahuzal]

Go cripples!

Wait, I'm in canada, hahaha.

[hammocksleeper]

Retarded Bush, I have to sign up for it in less than 4 years.It's not Bush. It's Congress. Although it is disgusting.

[Dark_Warhawk]

Or maybe we should not try and police the world… just a thought

Every nation that has tried has fallen...Well the governments that have controlled those nations have anyway.

[dunchy]

Man that's wack.

[WeekendLazyness]

9/11 Happens
Bush invades Afghanistan
Uses Patriotic feeling to get people in the feeling of war
Uses this and Iraq's speculated Weapons of Mass Destruction as a scapegoat to finish his daddy's war
America ends up screwed

I hate Bush.

[Ark-templarius]

Though I'd have very few problems with serving my country, I can't because of medical reasons.

[Maegtelluma]

UGH! Three years for me, they had better repeal that......that isn't cool AT ALL!

OMG this is so stupid. I do NOT want to be in afghanistan. Maybe they won't take me because of my visual-impaired-ness...ugh...

Wow they must get this out. I'll be damned if i leave college in four years to go to a freaking desert.

[Kahuzal]

Perhaps they're trying to regain the lost troops in iraq... 300+ a year, over more then a few years... k hi.
Oddly enough, this isn't on any of the other news websites IE. cnn.

[Maegtelluma]

I don't think they are at much of a shortage,...they have what 138,000 people there? As awful as this sounds, six hundred isn't a whole lot to them, no matter how incredible that number is to us back home.

[Whiteknight]

OMG this is so stupid. I do NOT want to be in afghanistan. Maybe they won't take me because of my visual-impaired-ness...ugh...
Too bad, I doubt it. They say to get contacts and suck it up.

Wow, I'm suprised at another thing that hasn't happened yet... nm about it though.

This thing hasn't quite gone through yet, so it is possible that this won't happen.

[WeekendLazyness]

What are you talking about?

[Whiteknight]

The draft has not gone through yet, they are pushing it through. There is a chance that the bill will not pass.

[Nuts]

9/11 Happens
Bush invades Afghanistan
Uses Patriotic feeling to get people in the feeling of war
Uses this and Iraq's speculated Weapons of Mass Destruction as a scapegoat to finish his daddy's war
America ends up screwed

I hate Bush.


Read the damned bill before you so casually blame Bush. Such baseless accusations make you appear dim or unintelligent, when I know that simply isn't the case.

H.R.163
Title: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] (introduced 1/7/2003) Cosponsors (14)
Related Bills: S.89
Latest Major Action: 2/3/2003 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Executive Comment Requested from DOD

COSPONSORS(14), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
Rep Abercrombie, Neil - 1/7/2003 [HI-1] Rep Brown, Corrine - 1/28/2003 [FL-3]
Rep Christensen, Donna M. - 5/19/2004 [VI] Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy - 1/28/2003 [MO-1]
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. - 1/7/2003 [MI-14] Rep Cummings, Elijah E. - 1/28/2003 [MD-7]
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. - 1/28/2003 [FL-23] Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila - 1/28/2003 [TX-18]
Rep Lewis, John - 1/7/2003 [GA-5] Rep McDermott, Jim - 1/7/2003 [WA-7]
Rep Moran, James P. - 1/28/2003 [VA-8] Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes - 1/28/2003 [DC]
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete - 1/7/2003 [CA-13] Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. - 1/28/2003 [NY-12]

[WeekendLazyness]

You realize the draft is needed to fill positions created by the war that Bush started. And I'm not the only one who blamed him.

[Nuts]

The draft is not required for the war in Iraq. The draft, however well intentioned is a plan that considers future requirements for our military from 2005 forward. The war on terrorism is not only Iraq, it is a multinational war that may require additional troops, and a draft is one of the few options of a dimwitted House.

I would prefer to pay our troops slightly more, even a 10% increase could begin to show our appreciation for the most dangerous job in America.

[OboeGuru]

I think I speak for many, MANY of us Americans here when I say:

E-mail your Congressmen with the linked form and tell them to vote against it. Tell ALL your friends to do the same. I never thought this day would come, but here we are.

God help us all.

( ^^ Not a typical phrase for me to be using, but it perfectly expresses the gravity of the situation.)

[Nuts]

I never thought this day would come, but here we are.


It came and went a long time ago, circa 1940. This is simply a new effort to reinstate the draft as it existed from 1948-1973 during peacetime.

Chances are that it won't pass anyway, so don't get your panties in a wad. ;)

[AJ]

Yeah, efforts to get the Draft initiated have been going on since we shifted to a volunteer armed forces -- personally, i have no problem if the government were to institute a period of service that each able-bodied citizen was required to serve.

I think it would both educate and tame some of our masses that are quite needy in these areas, in addition to allowing our military the manpower and resources to fully cover the extent of its missions abroad and at home.

[Nuts]

Yes, I can also say that I agree with this particular piece of legislation since I have long passed the maximum age requirement. Sometimes age can be an advantage. ;)

Go fight our wars youngins. :)

[AJ]

I really don't know how much of a problem with this that I'd have -- I struggle with how people view it as such a bad thing -- It's like most things you resent the approach or process the current power takes, and when you reach your own position of power you realize it was one among a limited set of options.

What else are we supposed to do? Lie down and let the world get eaten alive?

[Whiteknight]

I really don't know how much of a problem with this that I'd have -- I struggle with how people view it as such a bad thing -- It's like most things you resent the approach or process the current power takes, and when you reach your own position of power you realize it was one among a limited set of options.

What else are we supposed to do? Lie down and let the world get eaten alive?
Most people resent is as there is a possibility of death, and you are throwing away two years of your life that you will not get back, so it is very maddening for people with high levels of education.

[AJ]

I don't see it as such. I'd put myself up there with some of the best and brightest -- but I don't doubt the benefits a couple years of service could lend to me.

I don't deny that there's always that possibility of my service somehow leading to death or injury, but the same is true of simply standing on the corner waiting for a bus. Or going to a gas station at night, and expecting to be shot by some dumb-head attempting robbery.

People tend to get stuck in the belief that they and only they are all that matter. And that the government should allow for people to solely work on higher achievement/recognition for themselves and not have to worry about actually having to serve their fellow citizens.

Being an American is more than simply being 'free' it means something much more than that. And though our system has turned the Pledge into a meaningless routine that masses of children mindlessly repeat -- I believe in it. I just don't care to express it daily, as I take it for what it is -- a pledge.

[Kahuzal]

What I find intresting, is that it would cost $250 000 000 to cure all of the worlds leppers, but it takes $30 000 000 000 to obiliterate a third world army.

[Whiteknight]

What I find intresting, is that it would cost $250 000 000 to cure all of the worlds leppers, but it takes $30 000 000 000 to obiliterate a third world army.
Uhh... where did you get your info? There is no cure for lepresy, not yet anyways. List your sources.

[AJ]

1) That's totally irrelevant to the point at hand.
and
2) Where are you pulling that figure from?

[AJ]

The bill in question, in its full text:
http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr163.html

[Ark-templarius]

H.R.163
Title: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] (introduced 1/7/2003) Cosponsors (14)
Related Bills: S.89
Latest Major Action: 2/3/2003 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Executive Comment Requested from DOD

COSPONSORS(14), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
Rep Abercrombie, Neil - 1/7/2003 [HI-1] Rep Brown, Corrine - 1/28/2003 [FL-3]
Rep Christensen, Donna M. - 5/19/2004 [VI] Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy - 1/28/2003 [MO-1]
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. - 1/7/2003 [MI-14] Rep Cummings, Elijah E. - 1/28/2003 [MD-7]
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. - 1/28/2003 [FL-23] Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila - 1/28/2003 [TX-18]
Rep Lewis, John - 1/7/2003 [GA-5] Rep McDermott, Jim - 1/7/2003 [WA-7]
Rep Moran, James P. - 1/28/2003 [VA-8] Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes - 1/28/2003 [DC]
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete - 1/7/2003 [CA-13] Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. - 1/28/2003 [NY-12]


Isn't that pretty much what TheBB is doing right now in Norway?

[Nuts]

Yepper.

[marsius]

Isn't that pretty much what TheBB is doing right now in Norway?
Bingo. This bill wouldn't re-impose the draft nor would it make college students elligible (that has already been done. That's right kiddies, your (or our, as it may be) only option now is to flee to Canada). This bill would impose a required term of military service on all young Americans. It's conscription.

I don't believe that this is the direction which we should be going in. I agree with Nuts, pay the damn kids more (IE, don't push through a combat paycut when we are heading into one of the bloodiest actions our military has been involved in in decades). I also think that we should shorten the tour of duty from 12 months (as it technically is now, though many units (and the soldiers in them) have been there for far longer. I recall reading about a National Guard unit that was initially only supposed to be in Kuwait, and even there only for six months. They ended up in Baghdad and, as of November, they had been overseas for fourteen months. They were hoping to make it back to the states this July. There is certainly more that should be done about Iraq, but they do not directly concern the topic at hand.

[Kahuzal]

The cure for leporcay is a $3 pill, you have to take it every day for six months.

[AJ]

From WHO (www.who.int):
"The recommended standard regimen for multibacillary (MB) leprosy is: Rifampicin: 600 mg once a month Dapsone: 100 mg daily Clofazimine: 300 mg once a month, and 50 mg daily Duration: 12 months. The recommended standard regimen for paucibacillary (PB) leprosy is: Rifampicin: 600 mg once a month Dapsone: 100 mg daily Duration: 6 months. Children should receive appropriately reduced doses of the above drugs.

Treatment of leprosy with only one antileprosy drug will always result in development of drug resistance to that drug. Treatment with dapsone or any other antileprosy drug used as monotherapy should be considered as unethical practice."

[Kamikazie190]

My neighbor is veteran of the Vietnam War and served as a Sergeant Major, and is head of many commities involving veterans in N.J. About a month ago, he said something about how the draft was supposed to start May 1st, 2005. At least now its pushed back a month. He and many one of his commities are spearheading a campaign against this, its members consisting of Vietnam war vets and anybody sympathetic to them. He still tells stories of vietnam vets who he finds in the parks and streets, holding up signs "I work for food". A war ruined his life and the lives of a whole generation. The war in Iraq is expected to take up to another 5 years. He doesn't want to let this draft ruin another generation. Its only a few voices of those who sacrificed many years of their lives for their contries before... but its a start.

[AJ]

Vietnam is quite different from the current conflicts in Afghan and Iraq. Both in manner and reason.

Need I remind you that this is merely a bill that is sitting on subcommittee, it hasn't passed, nor does it call for a draft. This particular bill would call for conscription.

[Kamikazie190]

Vietnam isn't totatly different from Afganistan and Iraq. Both involve guerrila warfare, something the U.S. isn't equpied to handle lest we fall even lower in the world's aproval rating. It was sugjested that, while in Vietnam, that we simply pull out and declare victory. Isn't that what Bush did when he declared "Major fighting over in Iraq"? Most of the casualties have happened after that statement. The fighting in Iraq doesn't 'break out' as news reports it. It's always there, constantly moving and claiming lives of soldiers and civilians.