Why do people hack?

[Moser]

I am just wondering what the reasons are for people to hack, I mean, it takes all the fun out of the game. I'll admit I hack characters just for the fun of it and see how godlike I can get them, but I rarely use them on b.net, just to show off to my buddies.
Also, its becoming a pain in my ass when i create a game calling for new characters to come and 75% of the people that come are lvl 99. Is there any way to filter this out on Open b.net?

[GrassDragon]

I have no idea why people hack. Why would you buy a game just to cheat at it?

As for your problem with lvl99's, if you put a lvl restriction on the game, that would prevent them from coming. Or just forget about Open (almost everything there is hacked anyway, it's so easy to edit a character file and have a lvl99) and move to Closed Battle.net. On the ladder there's only a handful of 99's at most.

[tRiX]

Is there any way to filter this out on Open b.net?

yes. stop playing on open b.net

[Moser]

I would, but for some reason Closed b.net is really laggy on my computer, is it always like that? I also like the idea of being able to play my characters on my own, without having to get onto the internet.

[Neo]

Moser I would suggest trying to find a group of like minded individuals to play with. Open Battle.net is simply not the greatest place to play.

People can even edit your characters and screw them up...

Anyways I would suggest only going online when you absolutly need to :/

-Neo

[Moser]

Alright.. I just dont play on open becuase i like the fact that i can play with my character while not online. And usually when i do go online i play with one of my buddies who i know i can trust.

[tkman77545]

The reason people hack is because they dont want to take the time to play the game.They cant wait a month to get that item that will make them god like.And i agree with the other guys dont play on open b net if you are going to play online play closed b net

[Schwitzer]

People can even edit your characters and screw them up...
Other people on other computers can edit your characters that are on your computer? Serious... o_0

[Neo]

On Open Bnet, someone creates a game and then becomes the Host for that game, this means that when you join that game, your character is "uploaded" to the host, so that it can then be downloaded subsequently to others who join... or something.

They are editing the character file on THIER computer, which in turns screws with yours... :/

-Neo

[Ole-The-Murder]

I just wanted to say HACKERS SUCKS and this problem haunts NWN too as to fer date. And I don't even play Diablo "anymore", I'm just here to BITCH! YEAH! BITCH! Professional players own Hackers anyday, no matter how they play up their stats they're still dumb newbies with a strong character, if the smart player had a not-so-good character but found a hole in their defences, the Pro whould win. Suckers.

[Frattimonde]

Is there no Anti-Hackinator that can stop all those evil and sinister hackers?

[HackingVictim]

yes there is.....I use a program called ZoneAlarm Pro...... You can edit the advaned hacker control to fit in B.NET....... It only cost 15.00$ and is avalible at any Sams Club...................

[Neo]

Hacking, I dont care what you do in the General Forum, but please keep your spam posts out of my forum... Please.

Zonealarm is a Firewall, it helps to protect your computer from Pings, Worms, etc... Port Probes and the like. It doesnt stop someone on battle.net from using a Maphack or DIsconnect hack.

No there isnt a way to stop hackers yourself. Blizzard should do something, but who knows wtf they are thinking ;)

-Neo

[Ole-The-Murder]

They're thinking about earning cash and fuck the customers, right?
BAH!!!!! Screw Diablo, that worthless piece of trash game :confused:

[Frattimonde]

Why do do so many play Diablo 2 rather then the outstanding RPG Baldurs Gate 2?

Come on, Baldurs Gate has so much more things than Diablo.

[Schwitzer]

They're thinking about earning cash and fuck the customers, right?
BAH!!!!! Screw Diablo, that worthless piece of trash game :confused:
Every time Blizzard manages to release a patch that wipes out all hacks they're given maybe a days rest before someone goes ahead and undoes all their cleansing by releasing a new trainer or whatnot.

[Ole-The-Murder]

Someone should get us a boodock saint to go and slay all these damn hackers. I have an idea: What if we just had a invincible bot character who where set at constantly killing people with max stats or close to. That whould be great. Or just have a level limit on all server in the whole goddamn world! Or perhaps what if we BOYCOT Diablo II, NeverWinterNights and all those damn games haunted by cheaters, until anyone does something to prevent or they stop cheating, they whould have no-one to spawn-rape and random, those cunts. Ack, I'm off to git my bat and play SINGLE-PLAYER. Fuck multiplayer, BAH!

[Frattimonde]

Someone should get us a boodock saint to go and slay all these damn hackers. I have an idea: What if we just had a invincible bot character who where set at constantly killing people with max stats or close to. That whould be great. Or just have a level limit on all server in the whole goddamn world! Or perhaps what if we BOYCOT Diablo II, NeverWinterNights and all those damn games haunted by cheaters, until anyone does something to prevent or they stop cheating, they whould have no-one to spawn-rape and random, those cunts. Ack, I'm off to git my bat and play SINGLE-PLAYER. Fuck multiplayer, BAH!
Should this boondock saint wear robes and wield a Schyte?
Or just be a Diablo with a minigun?

[Ole-The-Murder]

No.
A boodock saint - From the movie "The boodock saints" - Christian irish family anti-criminals armed to the teeth, who systematically slaughter hoodlums who try to escape the law, organized or not.
We could need some of these! SLAY THEM ALL!!!!

[Frattimonde]

No.
A boodock saint - From the movie "The boodock saints" - Christian irish family anti-criminals armed to the teeth, who systematically slaughter hoodlums who try to escape the law, organized or not.
We could need some of these! SLAY THEM ALL!!!!
I know.
I was merely pulling your leg. (Bad Joke.)

[Ole-The-Murder]

Bad joke, bad dog! Don't pee on my leg! ARRGH!
Keep my leg where I can see it, don't pull it you mawfk......AAAHH!!!! It's gone!
sic

[Frattimonde]

Bad joke, bad dog! Don't pee on my leg! ARRGH!
Keep my leg where I can see it, don't pull it you mawfk......AAAHH!!!! It's gone!
sic
Grrr, Worrrf!'
Ahh steady dogmeat!

You already had Super-Mutants for lunch, don´t you think you had enough.
You just ate half the Lou.

(DOn´t know why wrote this.)

[Ole-The-Murder]

Dogmeat is a tough-ass dog. He could eat the Master, and whouldn't still be fed up. But enough dog-jokes, let's get back to the subject at hand, right? Hacked characters - They suck.

Every game who's multiplayer and have hacked characters who're allowed to freely roam, should be boycotted. When none serious players play it, then there whould be just a bunch of hacked idiots who kill each other and monsters, and the game companies whould go bankrupt because all of them leech the game from the net, and only one buyed it to rip it and upload it to their fancy FTP Client...MAWFAWKA!

[Neo]

This has turned to absolute crap. Id rather the D2 forum get no posts, then posts like this. Its like CC has invaded WB!

Consider this a warning, next person to post crap like this will not have fun for at least a day :) (For those who cant read between the lines, this means a 1 day ban... or something)

-Neo

[Whiteknight]

Uhh, I'm somewhat confused by this, as I only got d2 like a week or 2 ago.

Open and closed b.net? Does this mean something like open games and passworded games?

Also, how can you tell who is a hacker? I play ladder and I havn't seen any 99 lvl people. Or are hackers only non-ladder?

I don't think I have run into any hackers, even though I play open half the time. The other half of the time, I play with people I already know, although they are far ahead of me in lvls so it can get pretty boring for them or me.

Bah, please explain to the newb to D2 here.

[Ole-The-Murder]

Hah, that post of mine was just an rather small off-topic event between me and Fratt, likely not to happen again, KupaNeo...holster your admin-powers ;)
Besides, the post contained some on-topic stuff, just a lil' bit too rantish, I must admit, though :)

[Frattimonde]

How can we stop them Hackers?

Any ideas?
Except for that with Anti-Hackinator which I´ve already mentioned.

Any Ideas?

[Ole-The-Murder]

Well, we could always hunt down hackers/cheaters on battlenet and tell their accounts to Blizzard for abuse, and have them shut down. That way, they are forced to play nice - Or else; No play at all :)

[Frattimonde]

Well, we could always hunt down hackers/cheaters on battlenet and tell their accounts to Blizzard for abuse, and have them shut down. That way, they are forced to play nice - Or else; No play at all :)
Good Idea.

[GrassDragon]

Uhh, I'm somewhat confused by this, as I only got d2 like a week or 2 ago.

Open and closed b.net? Does this mean something like open games and passworded games?

Open b.net means you play the character files that are on your computer. This means you can easily hack a character file to a high lvl, or with high lvl skills, or with extremely good equipment. Also, when you play on Open b.net, the games aren't actually hosted on b.net there hosted on the game creator's computer. This can lead to slowdowns for people who host games and have slow connections. Also (as Neo said somewhere above), your character file is uploaded to the host, so that it can be downloaded by other joiners. The host can mess with your "server-side" character image, which messes up your character on your computer. On Closed b.net all games, characters, and items are hosted on b.net. That makes it very hard (or impossible, I'm not sure) to edit charcter files.

Also, how can you tell who is a hacker? I play ladder and I havn't seen any 99 lvl people. Or are hackers only non-ladder?

I don't think I have run into any hackers, even though I play open half the time. The other half of the time, I play with people I already know, although they are far ahead of me in lvls so it can get pretty boring for them or me.

It's hard to tell just by looking if someone is a "hacker". When I think of hacker, I think of someone who has duped items. (items that are copies or duplicates of other items. Hackers can grab one Zod or Windforce and dupe it several times. Blizzard is doing things about this though namely "Rust Storm" which is a server-wide erase of all duped/hacked items.) There are also a lot of scammers, that will try and get you to go to a site and download something that will end up infecting your computer (a little common sense should let you steer clear of these people).

Bah, please explain to the newb to D2 here.

Happy to help a newb in need :)

[Whiteknight]

The thing is, what if a good person actually spent a long time looking for exactly what they wanted and created the perfect character or almost perfect. Would blizzard shut them down, as they can't tell if they were hacking or not?

[Neo]

One should phear the Moogle Shock Trooper.

Uhh, Yeah. BTW, Blizzard doesnt do anything with account names.

-Neo

EDIT: Thats with accounts, blizz has never banned an account based on a submition that the account was hacking, or using a spam bot, or anything.

[Whiteknight]

Oh... well go to the ask the moogle thread, I asked something more...

[Ole-The-Murder]

Uhh, Yeah. BTW, Blizzard doesnt do anything with account names.

-Neo

EDIT: Thats with accounts, blizz has never banned an account based on a submition that the account was hacking, or using a spam bot, or anything.
.....You added a proof to certain account where cheating f.eg screenshots?
;)

[Neo]

Blizzard doesnt ban people on screenshots alone.

Its never happened.

Its never going to happen.

Deal with it.

-Neo

EDIT: And even I have problems trying to decode your post. What did you mean to say there? :/

[Richardc269]

Blizzard can't tell if your cheating or not (unless you gots duped items).

Secondly...cheating...

The reason why people cheat is this: 1, they already beat the game and got bored and decided to go god mode and kill everything with ease. 2, they cheat because they think using no cheats isn't fun. 3, they don't know the game that well, so they cheat and try to learn it that way, then that way they know how to play and then play it normally. 4, people cheat because they simply just can't play without cheats.

Now...this thing about Maphack...

You know why people use it? Because the "MFer's" don't wanna spend 15 minutes on lvl2 in Mephisto's place trying to find lvl3. They wanna do it in less than 5 minutes. Which I agree with because it's boring as shit and takes way too long to find magic items if your just MFing. So yea, thats why they use MH.

Now the thing about duping, they just do it because they don't have enough patience to go and find it themself. Secondly...your never ever going to get rid of hackers on Bnet. They are always going to be there. Why? Because the good ones (the ones with incredible skill, not these yuppies who say "I'mma hacker and Imma send you a virus"), thats not a hacker, thats a wannabe. Anyway, the SKILLED hackers find loopholes in the program and attack it until they get in. Thirdly...REAL hackers do NOT tell the public they hack. Why? Because the public gets them into trouble and reveals them. These twits who claim their hackers, are just little wanna be virus senders that send viruses to your e-mail.(Basically because they can't do it any other way.)

Now...D2...I play it Single Player. I don't play it on Bnet anymore. I just create a character, use ShadowMaster, pump it up, give it good items, then go searching for Magic Items and get the best ones. I tend to find it fun. But I don't play it on B.net. Anyway...thats my 2 cents.

[Moser]

I've got a few comments. First of all, it dosen't take anybody to find lvl 3 when looking for Mephesto.. hell, it takes me less then 5 minutes. Also, if you are hacked, what is the point in going into the game with a hacked character and looking for items.. are you really going to give up your hacked items for those magical ones??

[peace_machine]

I always thought of hackers as people who download a program and click a button. Nothing more.

It is still impossible to get rid of hackers, almost every game has some sort of 3rd party program that effects game play, blizzard games just seem to have a certian 'hackability' (atleast thats what I think).

I do admit that I used to hack (in Starcraft) and it was stupid. Now in d2 I have a character editor, all I do is edit my characters to find what works best. I don't want to spend ages on a character building up skill points and trying out every combination. Instead I 'supe up' a character, play single player and find what works best. Then I delete that character, I don't play single player with it or online. What I do is use the hacked character as guide, I legitamatley play through wiht a normal character developing it along a set path. That way i can be sure that when I get to hell it will not be an instagib game where I forgot my rifle.

I am not disadvantaging anybody elses game.

[Neo]

Actually blizzard can detect many hacks now, including D2hackit! and JSP and the like... Maphack is up there, as blizzard HAS banned people/deleted accounts for using it...

Meh O_o this was kinda an old topic...

Many people cheat just becuase the game, to them, is to boring... or to hard? It takes me on average, even on dial up, less then 3 minutes to find Durance 3 and kill mephisto... And thats with a unlucky map spawn (you know where the entrance is somewhere in the middle, not along the sides! :O)

-Neo

[Richardc269]

It usually takes me 15 minutes to find lvl3...bleh...I hate it. It takes forever.

But the reason why I supe up my chars, is to just find items, just to see what attributes they have an chuck it if it ain't any good. If it's good, I'll keep it and put it in my stash. I honestly like to just look for items. I find it exciting.

People just cheat because they feel superior or better. Or they just cheat to have an advantage or because they're bored without cheating. Simple reasons actually.

Then there is "walkthroughs", those really aren't cheats though. More of a guide really. If your stuck, walkthroughs come in handy.

I remember one time, I was playing Half-Life, (as Freeman), and I got stuck somewhere, so I went and found a walkthrough and found out how to get back to this area I was trying to get to cuz I couldn't get there on my own, so I had some help from a walkthrough. Rest of the game I got on my own. That one part was just a little confusing...damn now I feel like playing HL, lol. Anyway...

But yea, lotta people cheat...you can't get rid of them all though...'tis a shame...some cheaters are actually nice people, some are just plain dipshits. Or selfish...

[PhrostByte]

hacking is just like chetaing, who cares if u do it, u guys need to stop whining, its just liek putting in cheat codes in a agme like tony hawks pro skater, everyone makes a big deal outta it

[Moser]

No, there is a differance. When you put cheats into Tony Hawk's Pro Skater you are doing it just to make the game easier for yourself.. Although its the same for d2, there is also the fact that you gain an advantage over others in the game, which is not fair. Also, cheats come "built into" the game.. as with hacks, they are 3rd party programs that find loopholes in the game to minipulate..

[peace_machine]

No, there is a differance. When you put cheats into Tony Hawk's Pro Skater you are doing it just to make the game easier for yourself.. Although its the same for d2, there is also the fact that you gain an advantage over others in the game, which is not fair. Also, cheats come "built into" the game.. as with hacks, they are 3rd party programs that find loopholes in the game to minipulate..
^ What he said.

[PANTHEON_FROST]

i hope you know that software and the windows system will one day be un-hackable. it is something programmers dont tell you too much, but microsoft already had said so. it is just inevitable to come up with perfect code. when storage limits dont matter anymore especially(i.e., 14GB XVDs. 2GB RAM, etc), a lot of code can be made to be antihack even if the code aint perfect(which it will be one day- perfect, meaning even the guys who made the game cannot take a storeshelf copy and mess with the code, i.e., no backdoors at all, he'd have to go to the source on a Blizzard computer to edit). microsoft itself has said in the next 2-4 copies of windows, it will be hack free. meaning, people cant virus it, break it, etc. they could only mess with settings, like log you off and stuff if you were so unfortunate to have someone able to be connected with you thru i.p. and stuff. those same i.p. lurking remote hackers wont be able to do more than that in a decade probably.

[peace_machine]

i hope you know that software and the windows system will one day be un-hackable. it is something programmers dont tell you too much, but microsoft already had said so. it is just inevitable to come up with perfect code. when storage limits dont matter anymore especially(i.e., 14GB XVDs. 2GB RAM, etc), a lot of code can be made to be antihack even if the code aint perfect(which it will be one day- perfect, meaning even the guys who made the game cannot take a storeshelf copy and mess with the code, i.e., no backdoors at all, he'd have to go to the source on a Blizzard computer to edit). microsoft itself has said in the next 2-4 copies of windows, it will be hack free. meaning, people cant virus it, break it, etc. they could only mess with settings, like log you off and stuff if you were so unfortunate to have someone able to be connected with you thru i.p. and stuff. those same i.p. lurking remote hackers wont be able to do more than that in a decade probably.
Pure and simple bs. If software companies have no limitations with code what makes you think that hackers are going to have limitations? twould be great to see unhackable material but its never going to happen.

Besides what the hell is microsoft going to do if the next version(s) of windows are unbreakable? Me thiks they will slip a few errors in there on purpose.

[Seal]

i hope you know that software and the windows system will one day be un-hackable. it is something programmers dont tell you too much, but microsoft already had said so. it is just inevitable to come up with perfect code. when storage limits dont matter anymore especially(i.e., 14GB XVDs. 2GB RAM, etc), a lot of code can be made to be antihack even if the code aint perfect(which it will be one day- perfect, meaning even the guys who made the game cannot take a storeshelf copy and mess with the code, i.e., no backdoors at all, he'd have to go to the source on a Blizzard computer to edit). microsoft itself has said in the next 2-4 copies of windows, it will be hack free. meaning, people cant virus it, break it, etc. they could only mess with settings, like log you off and stuff if you were so unfortunate to have someone able to be connected with you thru i.p. and stuff. those same i.p. lurking remote hackers wont be able to do more than that in a decade probably. if it was like that, it would be boring to use it.. too limited, it seems.
i stick with unix systems, so there.
you can hack in with an user account, but that's usually not harmful.. normal user can only do so little to damage the computer or its system.
talk about serious if you let root account go.

[GiaDragoness]

Really, the problem with hackers, is the obvious advantages over others, which is unfair, and the fact that the yare sometimes cheating themselves out of good fun. I admit though, I beat the game on normal with an amazon, then when i went into nightmare mode, it took me like 7-17 hits to kill a simple fallen demon. PURE BS. In my personally opinion, when hacking kills challange, it voids the entire purpose of the game. However, on the other side of the same coin, when the game gets rediculously hard, doing a little cheating to help it so you don't die 3 seconds out on the level is'nt ENTIRLY a bad thing. Maybe that was exagurated a tad.

:smash: Smashy Smashy! :smash:

[Moser]

Really, the problem with hackers, is the obvious advantages over others, which is unfair, and the fact that the yare sometimes cheating themselves out of good fun. I admit though, I beat the game on normal with an amazon, then when i went into nightmare mode, it took me like 7-17 hits to kill a simple fallen demon. PURE BS. In my personally opinion, when hacking kills challange, it voids the entire purpose of the game. However, on the other side of the same coin, when the game gets rediculously hard, doing a little cheating to help it so you don't die 3 seconds out on the level is'nt ENTIRLY a bad thing. Maybe that was exagurated a tad.

:smash: Smashy Smashy! :smash:
You brought this back from the dead, you know that? heh, anyways, I agree with the cheating to make it a little easier when there is no possible way to play it. But I still think the only logical purpose for editors is to make a character and see which builds would work the best. :)

km

[Whiteknight]

OoooOOOoOO, resser-erected. xD (If you watch SouthPark, you'd know)

Uhh, hackers cheat because they want to win, and they like the feeling of power. They also hack because they suck without hacks so resort to them instead of trying to get better.

[Neo]

Ok now this is just wrong.