The Random Question Thread

[own3d0406]

After reading threads with questions like "What does melee do?" And threads that have gone completely off topic with questions that has nothing to do with the original post, Ive decided to make a thread to post your little questions about starcraft. This thread is for little things like "what does free for all do?" Post them here instead of going off topic on other posts. My question:What do you do in UMS?

[splatt0r]

Good :). I've asked before but I couldn't find the right awser and pgt is down.
How do you watch apms in a replay? Do you need a patch? Where do I get it if so? thx in advance.

[MidnightGladius]

own3d: UMS can be anything and everything. Just try it out, and you'll find out, sooner or later :/

splatt0r: DL BWLauncher and turn on LiveAPM in PenguinPlug when in game.

[Superiorwolf]

Owned, I can't believe you don't know about UMS O.o even if you only play melee you should know what it is.

Basically you get to play custom maps with triggers and stuff, and there's games like defend ____ or bounds (evade exploding stuff with lings and stuff) and sutff like that. It's pretty fun, but most games require team work and if your teammates suck it gets very boring

[own3d0406]

Owned, I can't believe you don't know about UMS O.o even if you only play melee you should know what it is.
I heard UMS were skill crushing, which is why I stayed away from them , which is why I dont know what they are.

[Gladstone]

Its not skill crushing, but if you play too long as in playing ums straight for a few month, then yes it does crush your skills. No one really bought SC for ums right??

er PGT, WGT, and sc.gosugamers.net are being hacked by the same hacker. The hacker did more harm to PGT than WGT, sc.gosugamers.net closed down their site incase the hacker starts messing around in there..

[Alexisonfire]

y r the sexy pic ums maps so enjoyable?

[Holocaust]

y r the sexy pic ums maps so enjoyable?
SC + Pr0n = double the fun

[U-238]

@ gladdy: gosugamers isn't closed down yet. However you all should know if you havn't heard already that pgtour has been hacked and totaly wiped out. All forums, news, and starts are no longer existant. The site is gone as well as the battle.net-X gateway. For the full new on the subject read here. (http://sc.gosugamers.net/news.php?id=4875)

WGT has also been hit but they managed to get it under controll before he could do anything serious.

[Superiorwolf]

They should have made some backups :P

[U-238]

Well the backups they had are older I hear. Also it's not really possible to know when you're going to get hit by a hacker.

[WickedImposter]

jays, holo, if you get turned on by those sexy pics maps, i despise you. though those are some pretty girls >,<

[MajorPain]

I ruined myself by playing UMS...tho I am a damn good Cat n Mouse player ;).

[Alexisonfire]

jays, holo, if you get turned on by those sexy pics maps, i despise you. though those are some pretty girls >,<oh baby those pics r y i still play sc. porn has become so rare on the internet only on sc is were u can find it these days and its so easy to c the pics too

[MidnightGladius]

lol, someone who didn't know you might not see the sarcasm in that, Jays... haha.

[WickedImposter]

jays isnt that against some rule in the warboards rules and policies? just wondering. and also, i play sc to get better ;)

@majorpain: same thing happened to me. all i did was just stop and start playing more melee

EDIT: whoops read middys post

[U-238]

Naw that's just pointless fun. Allthough middy's right, people who don't know you wouldn't see the sarcasim in that and would probably think it's legit. :o

[Superiorwolf]

Well the backups they had are older I hear. Also it's not really possible to know when you're going to get hit by a hacker.
Yeah, but you should get backups at least once or twice a month

[U-238]

Backing up that entire site wound be a rather large chore. You're talking about backing up:

The site itself

All the news an forum postings

The entire members database along with their stats

The B.net-X servers

That's getting into hundreds of GBs of data to back up. And that's hours of time that it takes to back that up which is hours of downtime that they have to face. Up untill now it didn't seem that taking hours of down time to make a backup that they may not even need wasn't feasable. Unfortunately now they don't have a recent, recent backup to fall onto so they're facing more downtime.

[Superiorwolf]

Backing up that entire site wound be a rather large chore. You're talking about backing up:

The site itself

All the news an forum postings

The entire members database along with their stats

The B.net-X servers

That's getting into hundreds of GBs of data to back up. And that's hours of time that it takes to back that up which is hours of downtime that they have to face. Up untill now it didn't seem that taking hours of down time to make a backup that they may not even need wasn't feasable. Unfortunately now they don't have a recent, recent backup to fall onto so they're facing more downtime.
Oh can you send me a replay of u as zerg

[JarquaFelmu]

Think when SC.org was first hacked... everything was gone...

[blupp74]

Backing up that entire site wound be a rather large chore. You're talking about backing up:

The site itself

All the news an forum postings

The entire members database along with their stats

The B.net-X servers

That's getting into hundreds of GBs of data to back up. And that's hours of time that it takes to back that up which is hours of downtime that they have to face. Up untill now it didn't seem that taking hours of down time to make a backup that they may not even need wasn't feasable. Unfortunately now they don't have a recent, recent backup to fall onto so they're facing more downtime.

I don't know all that much about MySQL, but when it comes to Oracle there are different kinds of backup. And all of then don't require downtime.

And I think hudreds of GB's is overdoing it a bit. I work with systems containing over 8 million customers, making billions of calls every month.
While I'm sure the starcraft community might be that big, I doubt the PGT site had that many members. And I doubt it had traffic equivalent to +100 million calls per day.

The largest site I've worked with got up to 1 terrabyte or so, and they could still handle backup fairly well. (Online backup constantly, with occasional cold (offline) backup) every month or so.

UHm....yeah...just me not being able to shut up.
Which I will do now.
Yes I will.

[Alexisonfire]

i play sc to get better ;)r u saying uir better then me!?!?!? cuz thats what i'm hearing. i bet sexy pic #37 i can take u with any race :cuss: <--- i guess when an emoticon is mad they turn red?

[WickedImposter]

what if i am? dont answer that was a rhetorical question because im not. and superiorwolf, dont bother asking skiddy (U-238) for zerg reps. youd learn more asking someone like ahzz.

Ahzz>>>>>>>>>>>>skiddy

[blupp74]

what if i am? dont answer that was a rhetorical question because im not. and superiorwolf, dont bother asking skiddy (U-238) for zerg reps. youd learn more asking someone like ahzz.

Ahzz>>>>>>>>>>>>skiddy

...so because Ahzz is better, wolf can learn nothing from U? I don't think so. I think U can teach him plenty.

[Cpt.Chronic]

U-238, gg.net was hacked. It redirected anyone that visited to a site where the hacker claimed responisiblity and put his msn contact info up. Apparently the gg.net crew contacted him and he gave the site back after like an hour or so of downtime.

[IrishDutchman]

...so because Ahzz is better, wolf can learn nothing from U? I don't think so. I think U can teach him plenty.

I agree. It's like saying you shouldn't watch Lammas' replays because BoXer is better. They're both good enough to learn from.

[Alexisonfire]

yes but u can learn so much more if u learn from someone with more experance instead of someone only a few steps ahead. its like me trying to teach someone the Java programming language, i'm sure i can teach someone it but someone who knows exactly what they r doing, y they r doing it, and has been proven successful in the field will have a stronger impact on ones ability to learn it. but sure if u can't find anything else it can't hurt but ygclan has tons of replays posted each day + the many many days prior to that so y bother learning from a sub standard source

[Superiorwolf]

I just need some freaking replays to learn from

[Alexisonfire]

u just can't get replays that easily. we must first have a huge debate and 50 posts after u stop posting we'll reach a conclusion

[U-238]

Yes 6 down 44 to go :P

Actually I'm supprised you didn't save any of the ones where I played you. There's a few in the replays thread and 2 in the king of the hill thread. I wouldn't say not to watch my replays. You can learn from watching both mine and ahzzys replays. Our playing styles differ so you can learn most from watching both. And wicked's just on a grudge against me lately so meh.

ofc if you're looking for replays to study how I play so you can try and beat me next time we play then just forget it. :P

U-238, gg.net was hacked. It redirected anyone that visited to a site where the hacker claimed responisiblity and put his msn contact info up. Apparently the gg.net crew contacted him and he gave the site back after like an hour or so of downtime.

Yea I looked through the news and saw that. Aparently I'll have to start going to gg.net every hour because the news rolls that fast. :o

[WickedImposter]

yaya i get it. you may learn a lot from skiddy. he is a pretty decent player. and wolf, now its pretty hard to post as youll have to have an alternate site if the rep is too big. and chronic/skiddy whats gg.net?

[MidnightGladius]

www.gosugamers.net

Superiorwolf, you could just go to the above site for some good Z replays, if it really came down to that.

[WickedImposter]

oh. k thanks middy. and ya wolf you can get a lot of good replays from that sight.

[own3d0406]

Another question, how do you do that thing where you tell your units to do multiple things at once? Is it shift right click?

[MidnightGladius]

Hold shift while selecting the actions. Note, however, that there are some actions that break the cycle, like burrow, siege mode, T-build (P-build works fines), and yamato.

[Cpt.Chronic]

Hold shift while selecting the actions. Note, however, that there are some actions that break the cycle, like burrow, siege mode, T-build (P-build works fines), and yamato.
Actually, you can queue one (and only one) command after a terran or protoss build command (given that it's not another build command). I use it all the time to make my scvs automatically mine after they complete the building.

[MidnightGladius]

Thanks for clearing that up. I don't play much T, and I guess it's my fault for not making sure of that before I posted.

[blupp74]

Actually, you can queue one (and only one) command after a terran or protoss build command (given that it's not another build command). I use it all the time to make my scvs automatically mine after they complete the building.

...and it's a very useful thing too.
Except for those incredibly annoying moments where your SCV 1) doesn't reach the building site in given time, and just goes back to mining, 2) something temporarily is in the way where you want to place your building, and it just goes back to mining, or 3) you were 8 minerals short at the time he reached the building site, so he just goes back to mining.

Since you told him to build an ebay when you scouted lurk/DT/wraith/whatever and were otherwise too occupied to notice he never started to build, 2 minutes later when said cloaked unit makes its approach, you go "WTF I can't build any turrets!!!".

This has lost me a few games. And it truly sucks.

Of course, the problem is not the game, but my attention to the actions I order. Another similar, equally frustrating, thing is when the building is actually built, and I press "research stim" but am too occupied by microing to hear "not enough vespene gas".
Which leads to pressing "T" and going "WTF, they're not stimming!"

[lammas]

hmh didnt know u can do that with terran... ive allways just clicked scvs back to mine after building is ready.

[blupp74]

hmh didnt know u can do that with terran... ive allways just clicked scvs back to mine after building is ready.

Really? Well, now you know. Works like a charm unless the scenarios I described happen.

[Ahzz]

Of course, the problem is not the game, but my attention to the actions I order. Another similar, equally frustrating, thing is when the building is actually built, and I press "research stim" but am too occupied by microing to hear "not enough vespene gas".
Which leads to pressing "T" and going "WTF, they're not stimming!"
ummm... seriously... just check the timings. You always research stim first when aca is ready, and at that time you've got absolutely almost NO micro needed, with only few exceptions. busy microing eh. If you're not too busy, just wait 0.5 or 1 second to make sure it really is coming hmm? or just go back to micro and check right away if your gas went down or not

[blupp74]

ummm... seriously... just check the timings. You always research stim first when aca is ready, and at that time you've got absolutely almost NO micro needed, with only few exceptions. busy microing eh. If you're not too busy, just wait 0.5 or 1 second to make sure it really is coming hmm? or just go back to micro and check right away if your gas went down or not

Well, if I'm doing an early attack or getting continuosly attacked myself I have some micro to handle.
I'm not saying this happens everytime or anything. Just saying it HAS happened. And "busy microing" doesn't have to be all of it either. Sometimes the microing needed at that point, and the macro around it (making more units, sending more units, buffing up if attack failed etc) makes me simply forget whether the stim research started or not.

If I could micro well and still do macro easily without forgetting a single thing, I'd be at a completely different level of gaming.

Another important factor is that I usually play without sound, so I usually never *hear* the voice complain about lacking vespene.
I just get the text. And if my eyes are busy doing something else...well...

If I'm confused enough the surplus gas would cause no other thought than "wow, I have extra gas...I'm gonna build me a factory now!"

[WickedImposter]

Hold shift while selecting the actions. Note, however, that there are some actions that break the cycle, like burrow, siege mode, T-build (P-build works fines), and yamato.

but do you hold shift while doing the action from a standstill unit possition, or you set it in motion then shift? because when i play zerg i always hold shift then right click on positions, but sometimes it dosent work. any help?

[IrishDutchman]

I know this is a pretty broad question, but does anyone mind giving me a quick summary of PvT? I'm getting sick of being owned by blupp all the time. -.-

Here's a replay. I screwed up my BO in the beginning by scouting way too late and making two cyber cores *bangs head on table*, but got back on top of my mistakes for a while. In the end blupp just owns me.
Besides making arbiters earlier, what should I have done?

5244

[blupp74]

I know this is a pretty broad question, but does anyone mind giving me a quick summary of PvT? I'm getting sick of being owned by blupp all the time. -.-

Here's a replay. I screwed up my BO in the beginning by scouting way too late and making two cyber cores *bangs head on table*, but got back on top of my mistakes for a while. In the end blupp just owns me.
Besides making arbiters earlier, what should I have done?

5244

I watched the rep myself, and I guess what you should have done is made another expo, made more gateways, more units, and pressure me more.

I messed up a bunch myself, and if you'd kept pressuring me you might have won. Instead you kept your zealots waiting a bit off (for reinforcements, I assume) when I only had 2 sieged tanks and a few mines. I myself had reinforcements coming, but they weren't there yet.

Also, while holding me off, you could have snuck around the other side of the map and attacked me from behind. I sent all my units to my push, so my base was kinda undefended.

My expo at 3 didn't really change the outcome of the battle any, so sending units there was pointless. And taking them back to protect your main was even more pointless, as 1) it was only 2 goons and 2 lots, and 2) it took them way too long to get back anyway. Might as well have stayed and destroyed the expo. Who knows, maybe I would have taken units off the push to defend the expo, buying you some more time.

(Though probably not...I knew I had you at that time).

Oh, and as I recall, I had vessel AND goliaths before I even saw your arbiter. And I KNOW you saw my vessel early...so why even bother with arbiter? A reaver drop might have done me in properly too.
Come to think of it, there was probably 20 different ways of beating me :P
But I'll gladly practise more with you :D

[Alexisonfire]

i never knew about that shift key thing :o

[blupp74]

but do you hold shift while doing the action from a standstill unit possition, or you set it in motion then shift? because when i play zerg i always hold shift then right click on positions, but sometimes it dosent work. any help?

You can only queue x number of actions (i think it's 8 or 9).
Don't know if it makes any difference if you hold shift while commanding action no 1 or not. I don't think so.
But it certainly doesn't have to already be in motion for it to work.
There are some actions that cancel other actions.

You can tell an SCV to build something, then go back to mining. But you can't tell it do build something, then build something else. Build order no 2 will cancel the first one.

[IrishDutchman]

I watched the rep myself, and I guess what you should have done is made another expo, made more gateways, more units, and pressure me more.

I messed up a bunch myself, and if you'd kept pressuring me you might have won. Instead you kept your zealots waiting a bit off (for reinforcements, I assume) when I only had 2 sieged tanks and a few mines. I myself had reinforcements coming, but they weren't there yet.

Also, while holding me off, you could have snuck around the other side of the map and attacked me from behind. I sent all my units to my push, so my base was kinda undefended.

My expo at 3 didn't really change the outcome of the battle any, so sending units there was pointless. And taking them back to protect your main was even more pointless, as 1) it was only 2 goons and 2 lots, and 2) it took them way too long to get back anyway. Might as well have stayed and destroyed the expo. Who knows, maybe I would have taken units off the push to defend the expo, buying you some more time.

(Though probably not...I knew I had you at that time).

Oh, and as I recall, I had vessel AND goliaths before I even saw your arbiter. And I KNOW you saw my vessel early...so why even bother with arbiter? A reaver drop might have done me in properly too.
Come to think of it, there was probably 20 different ways of beating me :P
But I'll gladly practise more with you :D

Thanks, blupp, for making me feel stupid.
j/k. What I was wondering about more was actual tactics. It seemed goons and lots just weren't very effective. Should I just have built more, or added other units to the mix?

[Cpt.Chronic]

The only trick when using queue (shift) after a terran build command is that you have to give the queue command after the build command, but before it actually starts building.

[WickedImposter]

well, when my units are still, i shift-click and it dosent move. any advice?

[Cpt.Chronic]

ummm, you are clicking the right mouse button aren't you? There's not much advice to give other than hold shift while a unit is selected and right click in different locations.

Another thing I use it for is to set safer flight paths for shuttles by shift-clicking on the minimap.

[Cpt.Chronic]

I also use it when I do vulture harrassing. I hold shift and right-click on different probes, which allows the vults to focus fire on the probes while I go back to macro, then switch back vults and they will have killed many probes.

[blupp74]

I also use it when I do vulture harrassing. I hold shift and right-click on different probes, which allows the vults to focus fire on the probes while I go back to macro, then switch back vults and they will have killed many probes.

Yeah, did that exact thing against Matty a few moments ago. Works like a charm.
...though it went so fast, I didn't really macro much meanwhile.

Sometimes I use queuing to make an SCV go back and forth between possible expo's (since scv's don't have a patrol command...and I don't want them to attack anything anyway).

[blupp74]

well, when my units are still, i shift-click and it dosent move. any advice?

...and yeah...you're clicking the RIGHT mouse button, yes?

[Cpt.Chronic]

Yeah, did that exact thing against Matty a few moments ago. Works like a charm.
...though it went so fast, I didn't really macro much meanwhile.

You can make it go even faster. After you shift-right click with your vultures...say, on 6 different probes, select half of them, let go of shift, right click on a probe (other than the first 6 u clicked), press/hold shift again, and start right clicking on other probes. Since it only takes 2 shots to kill a probe, this is a more effecient/quicker use of their fire power. You don't have time to macro when you do it this way.

[WickedImposter]

YES I AM RIGHT-CLICKING. anyways ill try again see if it works.

[blupp74]

You can make it go even faster. After you shift-right click with your vultures...say, on 6 different probes, select half of them, let go of shift, right click on a probe (other than the first 6 u clicked), press/hold shift again, and start right clicking on other probes. Since it only takes 2 shots to kill a probe, this is a more effecient/quicker use of their fire power. You don't have time to macro when you do it this way.

I don't have time to macro when I do it the other way either :concern:
It goes pretty fast anyway, so I'm happy.

[splatt0r]

How do you hold lurks and mines?

[Sambo83]

select lurkers with an overlord, and use hold position..

allied mines is illegal on basically all ladders.. better trick is using optical flare on them lolol

[Ficho56]

i never knew about that shift key thing :o

and u tell other ppl they're noobs

[lammas]

yes being good isnt the same as knowing all cool hotkey things

[blupp74]

yes being good isnt the same as knowing all cool hotkey things

Infact, if you're at Alexis' level, WITHOUT knowing shift commands...wouldn't that make you even better?

[splatt0r]

select lurkers with an overlord, and use hold position..

allied mines is illegal on basically all ladders.. better trick is using optical flare on them lolol

when i saw ppl holding lurks there was no ovie close to them.

[Sambo83]

use a different unit then O_O why would anyone have lurks without ovies near them though?

[Ahzz]

when i saw ppl holding lurks there was no ovie close to them.
They can shift select one ovie somewhere else and add it to da group that way

[Alexisonfire]

Infact, if you're at Alexis' level, WITHOUT knowing shift commands...wouldn't that make you even better?actually even knowing about it now i can't find any real good uses for it as toss unless i wanted to lay down massive pylons

[blupp74]

actually even knowing about it now i can't find any real good uses for it as toss unless i wanted to lay down massive pylons

Well, should you decide to do that, you'll be disappointed, because build commands cancel eachother out.

But build and then go back to mining can save you a second here and there.

[Glordag]

OOoo I have a random question...when you're playing zerg, and you've researched overlord transporting, and you want an overlord to follow a unit, how do you accomplish that? If you just right-click as per normally it picks them up :|

[Glordag]

I know this is a pretty broad question, but does anyone mind giving me a quick summary of PvT? I'm getting sick of being owned by blupp all the time. -.-

Here's a replay. I screwed up my BO in the beginning by scouting way too late and making two cyber cores *bangs head on table*, but got back on top of my mistakes for a while. In the end blupp just owns me.
Besides making arbiters earlier, what should I have done?

5244

I remember that game (; The two cyber cores was hilarious, I have to say. I definitely think you should have pressured him from the side a little more. If I'm remembering right, you could have expanded again without much trouble since he wasn't as much pressuring you. You did a good job for a while of holding his push, and every battle you both pretty much lost most of your forces. You probably should have had a few more goons and scouted out his mines, cuz they did wonders against you. Just my two cents, even though it's a couple of days late :P

[own3d0406]

I remember that game (; The two cyber cores was hilarious, I have to say. I definitely think you should have pressured him from the side a little more. If I'm remembering right, you could have expanded again without much trouble since he wasn't as much pressuring you. You did a good job for a while of holding his push, and every battle you both pretty much lost most of your forces. You probably should have had a few more goons and scouted out his mines, cuz they did wonders against you. Just my two cents, even though it's a couple of days late :P

What? 2 cores? And I thought I was a noob ;)

[U-238]

heh, we all have our days. I remember in a game I made 3 hydra dens by mistake >.< (meant to make evos)

[Glordag]

The best part was how I was observing and got to see it warping in, but didn't want to say anything. I was wondering if he had a plan for it the whole time...

[own3d0406]

heh, we all have our days. I remember in a game I made 3 hydra dens by mistake >.< (meant to make evos)
You guys are noobs...













GAHHH! ITS HAPPENED TO ME TOO! 2 academys doesnt help when you need 2 armorys :concern:

[WickedImposter]

lol. sometimes that happens, but i usually notice it. lol though. 2 acads, hate it when a teamate does that in 2v2. im just like, wtf are you doing with 2 archives?

[own3d0406]

Do you hotkey units or buildings? I've read continuously read that you should hotkey buildings, but I can never seem to manage my troops without hotkeying them.

[blupp74]

Do you hotkey units or buildings? I've read continuously read that you should hotkey buildings, but I can never seem to manage my troops without hotkeying them.

A lot of people suggest hotkeying buildings, but I never really got too fond of that. I hotkey units and comsat (I only play T), and that's it.
If I want to go back to my base I use either the mini map (kinda slow), or press spacebar (centers on latest announcement, ie building complete, unit produced, addon finished etc). When my first comsat is done, I hotkey it to 0, so double-tapping 0 will take me back to my main.

[WickedImposter]

ya hotkeying comsat is very handy, because any cloaked unit can bring a terran army down in a few seconds.

[own3d0406]

ya hotkeying comsat is very handy, because any cloaked unit can bring a terran army down in a few seconds.
That's pretty elemantry.

[U-238]

Always stating the obvious and relaying the stated. :rolleyes:

I hotkey my first 3 hatches and if I create more I might split that and hotkeye one in each group then just hit that hotkey twice select all larvae and build what I need.

[IrishDutchman]

What? 2 cores? And I thought I was a noob ;)

lol, that was some funny stuff. Glordag was obsing, and blupp was AFK for a second. We didn't say anything for a couple of seconds, then I said:
'crap, I made 2 cybercores.'
And he said:
'lol, you made 2 cybercores.'

[WickedImposter]

lol.

'crap i made 2 cores' thats pretty funny. anyways whoever said hotkeying buildings, your right. i believe ahzz told me about that once. he hotkeys 12 hatches, and when hes microing he can just go:

1 sz 2 sz 3 sz 4 sm 5 sm etc. helps alot with zerg.

[ShadeZ]

2 cores? Why wouldn't I want 2 cores? If I didn't have 2 cores I couldn't go mad scouts!11!@#1@#1@31!!13threetwosix!123%6784*^

Yeah that post was pointless...

Btw WI it's impossible to hotkey 12 hatches unless ahzz has an Über keyboard in which case I learnt ur secret :(

[Cpt.Chronic]

Boxer should sell his keyboard on Ebay since he will no longer need it. How much you think he could get for it...$500...more?

[Alexisonfire]

chron... i saw a guy get 500$ on ebay for a fucking lays potato chip that looked like a star. now boxers keyboard a person who is a star in korea will easily get over $5000 for it (trust me i think its much higher cuz u know there r rich nut jobs or collectors out there who want it that bad but if i said $10000 no ones going to take it sirerously)

[WickedImposter]

ya boxers keyboard. it would have like his momeries and you might get the gosu karma going on lol. anyways theres only 1 person i know that would go mass scouts. *ahem* TSO. and maybe kirby.

BTW: sry shadez i ment 10.

[lammas]

I once obbed how rpg.andrei did mass scout pvz when he wanted to toy with his opponent a bit. And andrei got raped bad ^_^

[WickedImposter]

lol. ya once i toyed. then toss came in with a bunch of carriers. i barely won. anyways, ya. you should never toy with your opponent.