Isn't the fastest map ever map great? No. [split]

[munkeys]

4. Outlaw anything related to a money map.

Although some of us enjoy the occasional bgh, I don't think it really helps anyone's game to watch reps and hear strats about it.

you know i used to think that too but now i realize none of that really makes sense. why do people think money maps are "newb?" Newbs do not gain an advantage of any sort by playing this map, neither do pros. u say its newb cuz u dont need to expand? try playing paradoxx, that pro korean map where you practically dont need an expo because u start out with like 15 mineral patches and 2 gases. The conditions are the same for both players, sure u can probably max out in 10 minutes, but if you play someone better than you maybe they can max out in 8 minutes and overrun you, etc etc.

btw, if u guys dont buy what im saying at all, goto yaoyuan and download that 2v2 vod where chojja and boxer play nada and jinnam on fastestmapever. its INSANE

[AshCampbell]

If it is so insane, why don't they play fastest map ever all the time?

[Staind]

Yea, fastest maps has the newbie outlook because well the majority of newbs play it. You don't have to expand, make very many probes and you can easily just make static defense and mass (due to one choke).

[BSTRhino]

If it is so insane, why don't they play fastest map ever all the time?
Good comeback!

[munkeys]

If it is so insane, why don't they play fastest map ever all the time?

what do think? of course it would get boring, that vod im talking about was fun to watch but i dont think i would enjoy watching a rematch, nada was zerg and chojja was zerg and they just kept fighting each other with huge waves of lings while boxer fought jinnam with factory units except without a push. all the crazy macroing was nice but im guessing they would do the exact same thing if they played again

staind, making lots of cannons and turtling doesnt work, if you waste ur time setting up defense you will fall really far behind and youll get overrun almost immediately. i played some 2v2s with blackjack vs testie and some random zerg on fastest, after 2 games i realized the only viable strategy is to alternate between making units and powering so that you dont die to rushes and so by the 10 minute mark u have close to 200 supply and at least 30ish hatcheries or 40ish gateways to keep u at max supply nonstop. then u just keep macroing and upgrading nonstop and add a templar or something every once in a while to try and break the stalemate in the middle

[Twitt]

Your posts do not belong in here. This is stickied for a reason, because it is a thread about rules. If you have something to argue about, do it elsewhere.

9. Too many threads at BF were shut down due to flaming. There are boundaries between arguing and being an asshole. Don't teeter the line too closely.

[AshCampbell]

of course it would get boring (...) they just kept fighting each other with huge waves of lings while boxer fought jinnam with factory units except without a push. (...) im guessing they would do the exact same thing if they played again

And thats why money map posts don't belong in a tactics forum. That rule is fine. If you want to argue this further, create another thread and I will be happy to join you there.

[DS-Shadow]

what do think? of course it would get boring, that vod im talking about was fun to watch but i dont think i would enjoy watching a rematch, nada was zerg and chojja was zerg and they just kept fighting each other with huge waves of lings while boxer fought jinnam with factory units except without a push. all the crazy macroing was nice but im guessing they would do the exact same thing if they played again

staind, making lots of cannons and turtling doesnt work, if you waste ur time setting up defense you will fall really far behind and youll get overrun almost immediately. i played some 2v2s with blackjack vs testie and some random zerg on fastest, after 2 games i realized the only viable strategy is to alternate between making units and powering so that you dont die to rushes and so by the 10 minute mark u have close to 200 supply and at least 30ish hatcheries or 40ish gateways to keep u at max supply nonstop. then u just keep macroing and upgrading nonstop and add a templar or something every once in a while to try and break the stalemate in the middle

Fastest is like deathmatch or bloodbath mode on AOE II. You build insane amounts of units and clash. True fastest houses the most amount of newbies, but to them its like a UMS game. Fastest hides newbie status for noobs but when pros get on it they get insane amounts of units. The only thing I hate about fastest is you start off with a base the size of a stadium and unlimited money. The "victory fleet" is mostly a game ender in reg starcraft maps but in this map its as common as rines :eek: . Fastest is not a newbie map but newbies just like playing on it because their beloved carriers and battlecruisers are a few clicks away.

[munkeys]

And thats why money map posts don't belong in a tactics forum. That rule is fine. If you want to argue this further, create another thread and I will be happy to join you there.

i never said they belonged in this forum. somebody said something about money maps being newb and i made a comment

[BSTRhino]

Well... the ORG network does draw in a lot of people who have a fondness for money maps. I mean, look at our tactics section.

[Battlecruiser]

I still play fastest possible because that was what I started playing with. But once I joined a 3v1 comp stomp on a Blizzard map and I was not that bad. I actually was better than one of the other people and I asume he plays those typpes of maps a lot. Now I am starting to play regular maps (I only started playing starcraft in the summer of 2003).

[Clonex]

My opinion about 'fastest' is that newbs have overtaken it. I do not appreciate the map greatly, for its so straight and i dont see many tactical choices in the game, other than to mass.. However, i understand the players playing it other than the noobway, and then its even fun sometimes. I dont play it, but i hope people understand, that its just a map.. not a noobieplayground containing big and easy guns..

[Mattimeo]

Where can I get that Vod? O_O

[Geno]

Fastest map... It's only good for me, at least, if I need quickie kills... Need to test out a new tech tree build, or I only have 2 minutes to play. Other than that, my opinion, is that there is no skill to it. I mean, the only thing you have to worry about is defense... There is no more 'OH shit, I don't have enough for one BC' but 'Oh shit, I don't have enough for that 12'th BC... Wait... Nevermind, me typing this out let me get enough for five more...' and such. THat's my opinion, though, of course.

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

[Mattimeo]

I don't really like playing on fastest map ever. You think you'll be playing against n00bs but they're so much more used to being on money maps. They can go very fast and get like 4 rows of D just like that. And they build like 12 unit producing centers when you have like 6. It just messes you up when you use your non-money instincts. And when you go back to non-money you get messed up again.

[Battlecruiser]

haha yeah I guess that is possible

[LuckyBastard]

Money maps are a waste of time and effort. You wont get anywhere playing them. You wont improve and it will get boring a lot faster.

[Schwitzer]

I don't mind the odd money map game or two, although I generally hate the map because I prefer to play "proper" maps. Usually when I go comp stomp stomping, though, I have to join a game on a money map because 7v1c newbies tend to lean that way.

[Mechsaurian]

I must agree with those who claim Money Maps are for noobs. Mostly because it's true. I take the side of DS-Shadow. He seems to be able to explain it the best.

Money maps are stupid. They truly mutilate the experience you are supposed to get from playing. Starcraft is a Real Time STRATEGY, meaning you need some micro going on. Mass units isn't what SC is all about. It's tactics, my friends.

[deadstalker]

the fastest map ever is gay, it can make someone without skill powerfull.
in my opinion the best match possible is
1v1 Lost Temple
i have been in to many 2v2 matches that I lost because a newbie though he was good. after a while without help 2 pros beat you down. so 1v1 is for pros.

starcraft... HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MASSING. i like zerg they ( massing race) but i use spells and tactics. ull like this 1
1v1 LT i was playin vs a friend who liked to make D. so i did a ovie drop, not to kill alot just to screw him up a lil. I dropped behind his minerals with 2 ovies filled with ovies (8 hydras) n killed all his workers. it screwed him up, and i owned him.
MASS CAPITAL UNITS SUCK!!

[Merlinqxg]

Money Maps are not the best kind of map out there, but I think they serve their purpose. Just like playing the campaigns and 1v1 matches helped me to learn a lot of the unique qualities each of the units have, money maps help me to learn good defense strategies against a 'doomsday' possibility (however unlikely that is to happen elsewhere) and how to effectively use a fleet of whatever. Like using a strong air attack with Zerg is very difficult for me, so it's good practice to help me find the most effective way to do it.


It's true that many of the money-map players don't play anything else, but that's just part of the territory. A player worth his salt won't complain about a map that he thinks is boring; he'll just avoid it when he can.

[CrazyDrop25]

its considered newb cause it takes no skill... sure there's no advantage, but any NEWB can do it.

[blupp74]

its considered newb cause it takes no skill... sure there's no advantage, but any NEWB can do it.
I play mostly fastmaps, consider myself...semi-good...and let me tell you - any newb can NOT do it. There are do's and don't's for fastmaps too, and the noobs go for all the don't's.

Actually, when I think of it, a newb on a fastmap plays like he was on a normal map. Probably produces the same amount of workers...builds one gateway/barrack/hatchery...then on to the next building...while the opponents build 20, or something like that.

Sure, when reading this board and how it's all (mostly) about massing, it does sound a bit boring. But I'm still having a lot of fun, however boring it sounds.
And as long as it's fun, how can it be wrong?

...unless you're an idiot, and your idea of fun is backstabbing, for instance.
Or maphacking. Or use that stupid hack that lets you build 40 photon cannons ontop of eachother.

Btw, is there a hack for speed? Recently in a game I saw my opponents Hydras move like...3 times faster than they should, even with the upgrade.

[SCfanatic40]

...unless you're an idiot, and your idea of fun is backstabbing, for instance.
Or maphacking. Or use that stupid hack that lets you build 40 photon cannons ontop of eachother.

Btw, is there a hack for speed? Recently in a game I saw my opponents Hydras move like...3 times faster than they should, even with the upgrade.
I think there are more hackers on Money maps, but I digress...

I used to play money maps for YEARS. Then, when I played a normal map, I sucked. BAD. So, an occasional FME with your buds is fun, but keep it moderate.

Yeah, I only play with my friends or people i get together with on foums online. Less chance of hackers. Better chance of a good game.

[Spartan-II]

I dropped behind his minerals with 2 ovies filled with oviesYou put overlords in OVERLORDS? o_O

[Schwitzer]

Why must people indulge in thread necromancy so much?