Elections

[xjudicator]

Who would you vote for? I, personally would vote for Bush, and I know most of you could give me thousands of reasons why not to.

What do you think...?

[Ender]

My philosophy is this: anybody but Bush.

[xjudicator]

My philosophy is this: anybody but Bush. Is that really a philosophy? I thought philosophies are supposed to have some value in every day life...that statement merely states that you don't like Bush, and if so, why?

Don't bite my head off, just answer...

[RelinaIonna]

Skrew Jean Karie

I wanna see old George assassinated. I give him six more months in office and then Kapow!

[Ender]

He sent my cousin to Iraq. She flys Blackhawks. Remember how many of those got shot down?

Can you say "entire family going ballistic every the news said a Blackhawk went down?"

[RelinaIonna]

Poor Cap'n

[OboeGuru]

The Democrats should have done better than John Kerry. If the Democrats put up a stronger candidate than him, the Democrats would win easily. I hate Bush fervently, partly because of his tendency to put religious values into everything, but more so because of the useless military involvement in Iraq that he ordered and continues to uphold. It'll be interesting to see what happens...

Bad President versus Bad Candidate. Who will win?

Hell if I know, but I want a Democrat in office. Badly. I'd vote for Kerry.

[Wick3d]

If you think Kerry will do anything signifigantly different from Bush you are missinformed. Kerry is the most conservative democrat I've ever seen.

Bush in '04- Because you just don't change horsemen in the middle of the apocolypse.

[OboeGuru]

And what was that about Kerry taking on Nader's constituents? That means his policies may very well become more liberal.

The "apocolypse" as you put it is Bush's fault. We need out, I believe Kerry will get us out.

I would generally agree that it's best to let the incumbent sit, but too much has gone sour because of Bush. We need change, NOW.

[xjudicator]

You guys, the apocalypse is'nt even here yet! I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about, but Bush is actually handling things quite well. It is his administration that is making all the mistakes. I don't understand why it is so bad that Bush brings his Christianity into his presidency, if it is because of separation of church and state, then you guys are making a mistake in what you are believing in.

Separation of church and state was to keep the state out of the church not the other way around, so Bush is doing nothing at all to violate that.

I want to see George assassinatedRI, the FBI is going to bust you!

[RelinaIonna]

RI, the FBI is going to bust you!Skrew That. The FBI is purely domestic. I'm Candaian so they can't touch me. Its the CIA I'd have to watch out for if not for the fact that they also want him dead. Hey maybe Bush will really win this time; or get away with his coupe again. Either way "Kablooie" is the only solution.

[Nuts]

Skrew Jean Karie

I wanna see old George assassinated. I give him six more months in office and then Kapow!

You're a pathetic individual. No need for elaboration.

Its the CIA I'd have to watch out for if not for the fact that they also want him dead.

Are you delusional or do you truly believe what you've said here?

Hry maybe Bush will real ywi nthis time; or get away with his coupe again. Either way "Kablooie" is the only solution.

Try spell check, it makes for a more convincing argument.

[RelinaIonna]

Jean Karie is in league with the CIA in a plot to get Bush re-elected! I mean why else did they turn the Bush girls into Hypno-Assassins? And why do Clinton and Gore still golf together after it was clearly seen that Osama Bin Laden is working at an Albanian Macdonalds for less than minimum wage? Hmm... can you explain that? Well can you?

[OboeGuru]

I don't understand why it is so bad that Bush brings his Christianity into his presidency, if it is because of separation of church and state, then you guys are making a mistake in what you are believing in.

Separation of church and state was to keep the state out of the church not the other way around, so Bush is doing nothing at all to violate that.
I'm afraid you're the one who's making a, if you don't mind me saying, ridiculously huge mistake. "Separation of church and state" is a fictitious interpretation of the First Amendment by the less-than-properly educated American populace. It only states that government cannot advocate a religion nor deny a person(s) the right to free practice of religion.

In my opinion, Bush toes the very fine line between advocating Christianity and bringing it up in his reasoning.

[xjudicator]

What do you mean making a huge mistake? Are you some kind of athiest or something?! I know what the separation of church and state is, and it is to keep the government out of religion! This is to keep the governement, like so many others, from messing up religion or abolishing it altogether. And I know that in doing just that, it preserves our freedom of religion. I am not making any mistake what so ever!
And on Bush, what thin line??? There is no line, he isn't bringing the government into Christianity any more than I am. And if you think that bringing religion into the government is some kind of crime then you are being a fool.
There is no law that says that you can't do what Bush does with Christianity.

No hard feelings, OboeGuru, I'm just stating my opinion.

[singo]

No, the apocalypse is what will happen if the next president just buries his head in the sand and hopes it goes away

[marsius]

I do not harbor positive or negative feelings for Kerry. I see him, as, it seems, he sees himself, as an acceptable alternative to President Bush. I believe that the Bush administration has made mistakes, and I can accept that. I fear, however, what the Neocons in Bush's administration may attempt to do if Bush wins a second term. I think I agree with Molly Ivans. She went to HS with Bush and said in a speech at the Fountain Street Church in Grand Rapids (I am a student at a nearby university) that George Bush is hard not to like once you get to know him. Not being able to dislike him, however, does not preclude you from thinking that he is not doing a good job as president. I imagine that Bush is quite a fantastic guy and I could see myself bumming around with he and Clinton some day. I do not think, however, that he has been a good president for this nation. In addition, through my Applied Macroeconomics class I am taking (sixteen weeks of class in six weeks. Oy) I have gained a new understanding of economic policy and I can soundly say that Bush isn't handling the economy very well from a classical (conservative) perspective or from a Keynesian (liberal) perspective (as Gregor Mankiw, Bush's top econ advisor has publicly said more than once. I like watching Dr. Mankiw speak. He's an incredible accademic and it's obvious by his honesty. He's not used to playing the politics portion (which is part of the reason that his advice so often goes unnoticed. The Treasury Secretary has much more influence over the administration and, frankly, it is too bad as his policies show a lack of forsight (or thought, but that's a topic for another day)).

I'm afraid you're the one who's making a, if you don't mind me saying, ridiculously huge mistake. "Separation of church and state" is a fictitious interpretation of the First Amendment by the less-than-properly educated American populace. It only states that government cannot advocate a religion nor deny a person(s) the right to free practice of religion.


True, the words "Separation . . ." will not be found in the constitution. Neither are, however, the right to a fair trial or privacy. They are implied. The statement "a wall of separation between church and state" was penned by Roger Williams and made famous by President Jefferson.

I often think that our schools do us a great disservice by not properly explaining the concept of the common law. The constitution is essentially the foundation of the US common law, though even the US common law often deferred to British precedent. Basically, the common law is made up of every case decided by a court. Each case sets or affirms a precedent of some kind. Higher courts make more of an impact than lower courts. Because there have been multiple court cases affirming that there is a separation between church and state there is, in effect, a constitutional basis for this notion. Only the Supreme Court (or a constitutional amendment) can reverse this. Given, however, that the high court operates with the goal of stare decisis (it translates approximately as "let the precedent stand") I doubt that such a change will occur. Rather, I imagine that this wall of separation will only continue to grow.

[OboeGuru]

I agree that stare decisis does pretty much govern the Court's rulings on such Religion vs. State matters, but it's all a matter of the interpretation of the reasoning behind the rulings.

The goal and reason of the rulings was not to create a "wall" between Church and State, but to prevent the State from being tied down to any religious obligations or to appear to favor any specific religion(s). I forget the exact terminology for that, but that's the reasoning in a nutshell.

As for everything else you said, marsius, I couldn't have put any of that more eloquently. Very well said.

[SHISHKABOB]

uh.. go democrats!:bigsmile:

[SHISHKABOB]

The FBI is purely domesticThe FBI is domestic? Never knew that....

[RelinaIonna]

FBI handles the domestic affairs where as the CIA handles international stuff. I don't think I once saw Molder or Scully up in Moose Jaw.The FBI is domestic? Never knew that....

[hammocksleeper]

The FBI is purely domestic. FBI handles the domestic affairs where as the CIA handles international stuff. I don't think I once saw Molder or Scully up in Moose Jaw.Well, the FBI is not purely domestic. In fact the FBI has many foreign liaison posts. However, the FBI seeks to prosecute criminals in violation of US laws only. So there is a domestic aspect to it.

[Magmaniac]

I dont know who i would vote for, I dont think Bush has exactly been doing a good job and I dont like him much, but I think Kerry is a total peice of crap, too. If there were three dominant partys I would pick the other one, but living in the system we do, I choose not to vote.






Not that I am old enough too anyway, but I mean if I was.

[xjudicator]

Unbiased: How has Bush been doing a bad job?

Unbiased: What's wrong with Kerry

[hammocksleeper]

I always find it interesting that in a poll like the above, where there is no "other " choice, you get a lopsided amount of votes for Kerry. Yet if there is an "other choice" in the poll, the votes for Bush and Kerry are much closer, almost equal. http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=2001 <-- right now it's 9-10. The same effect can be seen on various polls at Blizzforums, if you care to search around.

[xjudicator]

Is there a way to change the number of poll options even after it is submitted? If not can a mod do that? 'Other' would be nice, I guess.