US beheadment

[SoldierPrime]

This video is certainly not for the weak stomach or anything.
I felt uneasy after watching this and it makes me very sad. and mad to.

WARNING: Both videos are extremly gorss and the us civilian one really doesn't make me happy at all.

Links to graphic violence or disturbing images are not allowed here, not even in context of war reporting. Sorry. --edgewize

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CNN has also reported on it.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/11/iraq.main/index.html


and a couple years back there was a russian beheading video which is much shorter.

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[Schwitzer]

No. That video does not need to be seen; it's horrible.

[Edgewize]

Agreed. Links removed.

[Duddits]

>.< Not something I wished to see at all. That was disgusting.

And tothink, people are making a big deal about having a dog collar around a TERRORIST's neck. This dude was a contractor.

[Battlecruiser]

>.< Not something I wished to see at all. That was disgusting.

And tothink, people are making a big deal about having a dog collar around a TERRORIST's neck. This dude was a contractor.
Yeah that is a good point but the terrorists said that the reason they beheaded him was because of the abuse of the iraqi prisoners.

[Nahotnoj]

Ok, im just glad that the video link didnt work for me before it was removed.

EDIT: I looked at the story though, thats just sick.

[Duddits]

Not cut, but sawed off by a knife.

I originally heard this on the radio, and I figured they went sharpened ax blade style. Damn! But a knife, KNIFE, where they hold you down and grind the serrated blades into the back of your neck through the spine and all... -shudder- Papercuts hurt.

[Schwitzer]

It was certainly something I would not willingly watch again...

[Modred]

I haven't seen the video, and while I was curious, after hearing more about it, I am quite glad that I didn't see it.

[ShawnManX]

I wouldn't be surprisd if this is the most watched news footage since 9/11. I agree with Guru, though, I would rather the thread be moved to serious discussion.

[Whiteknight]

I was going to watch it, and I had actually opened it. It showed the guy kneeling, but it was late at night and I thought to myself that it probably wouldn't be good to watch a gory thing before night, an actual real gory thing. Link is removed now.

I disagree with you removing the link. You should but very big warnings above and below it saying very graphic violence. This is one of the hottest stories out there now, and I think people should be informed about what actually happened, although the weak of heart should not watch the murder.

Although I'm fine with it both ways, It's probably better if I don't watch it. I doubt anying can be added to my life by watching it, but for other people they should be able to watch it if they want.

Hm, my newspapers here must be off, they reported it as a chainsaw. Oh well, I never watched it so I'll take your word for it.

[ShawnManX]

The guilotine, probably the only good thing to come out of France, there was a point to that when I thought it out in my head earlier, something like, if I were them I would have used a guilotine, because it's probably as cheap to make as the video camera they're using, and it's alot more efficient, plus it gets across the idea that "We're angry at you, but we're also somewhat civilised and granted him a swift death, we're not pissed anymore, let's be friends" Now I remember, The knife says, we're too cheap to buy a guilotine, that or, look at how angry we are, we'll take our time killing this guy we don't know because we are frusterated, damnit stupid knife cut, shit I think I fucked up, there must be an easier way to do this, any one have a towel I think I cut my hand when the knife slipped after his neck snapped." Long story short, if you're going to use a knife to execute some one, then start by breaking the neck, like a you do wit a chicken.

But really this is what happens when people in war are pissed but the leaders are too well protected for them to get an assassin close, they attack the next closest thing.

If they used the knife for shear fear effect, then at least put the head on a pike, though, hanging people on the outer walls of your fortifications is a much more effective deterrent. Back in the day there were public executions, this is the modern equivallent. Seems the more things change the more they stay the same, I forget who said that, but they're right.

[Whiteknight]

The guilotine, probably the only good thing to come out of France, there was a point to that when I thought it out in my head earlier, something like, if I were them I would have used a guilotine, because it's probably as cheap to make as the video camera they're using, and it's alot more efficient, plus it gets across the idea that "We're angry at you, but we're also somewhat civilised and granted him a swift death, we're not pissed anymore, let's be friends" Now I remember, The knife says, we're too cheap to buy a guilotine, that or, look at how angry we are, we'll take our time killing this guy we don't know because we are frusterated, damnit stupid knife cut, shit I think I fucked up, there must be an easier way to do this, any one have a towel I think I cut my hand when the knife slipped after his neck snapped." Long story short, if you're going to use a knife to execute some one, then start by breaking the neck, like a you do wit a chicken.

But really this is what happens when people in war are pissed but the leaders are too well protected for them to get an assassin close, they attack the next closest thing.

If they used the knife for shear fear effect, then at least put the head on a pike, though, hanging people on the outer walls of your fortifications is a much more effective deterrent. Back in the day there were public executions, this is the modern equivallent. Seems the more things change the more they stay the same, I forget who said that, but they're right.
With the gullotine, that is hardly true. The head lives for a few seconds afterwards, can you imagine the pain? When you die, there is no way to tell how much pain there is. There is NO 'civilised' way to kill someone, that is an ideal put created by humans. No matter what, no one can tell how much it hurts to die. It could hurt just as much to get your head snapped. Then again, quick (see that I didn't say painless? We can't tell if it is) is better than drawn out, so you can know that in that respect.

[ShawnManX]

Unless the pain goes beyond what we were meant to feel. Still better then being drawn and quartered.

[SexForTwo]

I wonder if all this Arab hatred is worth the so-called War on Terror.

I do feel sorry for all those in the field right now. All of them.

[LordHarrison]

Well as a citizen of Israel we have had those type of things happen before. In 1985 Hezbollah terrorists did the EXACT thing to 2 Israeli tourists while in Greece. The extreme Muslims see beheading as a wonderful thing as the Muslim prophet Mohammad beheaded a man in the Koran (note i am not trying to offend Muslims just trying to explain why the FANATICAL ones think that way).

As for the "humiliation of Iraqi prisoners. I am sorry but slowly cutting off a mans head does not compare to putting a bag over a naked mans face then takeing a picture of him.

[ShawnManX]

It was only slow because they were inexpierienced in the art of beheading, as you could tell from the clip, the one one the far left had the jitters really bad, they're people too, though they might forget it sometimes, we have to remind them that so are we.

[AJ]

Feel free to discuss in here -- but after hunting down the video myself, I concur with the rest.. far too graphic for our site.

[Maegtelluma]

That video should never have been posted to the public. Can you imagine what the family is feeling: knowing that thousands of people are watching their son die every day? The whole thing is awful, but posting the video makes it that much worse.

[Battlecruiser]

But really this is what happens when people in war are pissed but the leaders are too well protected for them to get an assassin close, they attack the next closest thing.Exactly and this guy was just civilian. He had no part in the war except he was just a contractor trying to rebuild Iraq. I can't even imagine how his parents feel about this killing and that also that it got recorded and is shown like entertainment.
There is NO 'civilised' way to kill someone, that is an ideal put created by humans.
Well it all matters on what you consider civilized. For me, a civilized killing is something in which your killed very fast and very little to no pain is felt. But I don't think any of the people who did this atrocious murder deserve a civilized death. They should all get the same thing they did to Nick Berg.

[GrassDragon]

Well it all matters on what you consider civilized. For me, a civilized killing is something in which your killed very fast and very little to no pain is felt.

The only problem with that is how do you know if there is little or no pain? It's kind of hard for a dead person to tell you how much pain they had.

On topic though, I haven't seen this clip and I don't plan on watching it.

[Battlecruiser]

The only problem with that is how do you know if there is little or no pain? It's kind of hard for a dead person to tell you how much pain they had.
Well it is hard to tell but I mean you should be able to know what causes pain and what doesn't by the reaction the body makes. Of course maybe this type of killing stops any type of reaction to the pain but then again if it stops the reaction then it probably stopped the pain. One example is if a chemical that destroys your heart and causes pain is combined with a some type of VERY strong pain killer and the chemical and the painkiller don't affect each other then no pain is felt though there should have been pain.

[Duddits]

Bullet through brain stem = instand owned. Every though, every reaction your body was making is instantly ceased with the destruction of the brain stem.

[Battlecruiser]

Bullet through brain stem = instand owned. Every though, every reaction your body was making is instantly ceased with the destruction of the brain stem.
Not exactly. Information can be passed through your spinal cord too. That information could be pain.

[TranquilNightElf]

The tradegy of the whole thing is that the family reports that his son was delayed on accounts of suspicion for nearly 10 days and that he would have lived if they had let him come back on time..............
(with the benefit of retrospection)I'd say this was a little paranoid on the part of the authorities ..what do you guys think...

[xjudicator]

What I think, is that both shouldn't have happened under any circumstances. Both were wrong and both should have been prevented.

[RelinaIonna]

This where reality TV is headed in the next 50 years! Atleast at the rate its going at now.

Its hardly that unsettling. He wasn't flayed or hacked up with machedies.

[TranquilNightElf]

The world was only shown what they were allowed to..
The question is not that whether it was unsettling or not but the brutality and the needlessness of the act..
True ..this is probably where it seems like reality is headed but I still think its sick that people can act like this saying its for a religious cause....it's not for a religious cause..its for dominance

[Grom_Icecream]

I used to behead people in Mortal Kombat. Now i realise the folly of my ways, those kombatants have familys too.

Ninjas are now against beheading.