Lol wtf

[cole]

UD is my worst MU and NE is my best MU. I play orc. But its not just me it seems, alot of other orcs in my clan feel the same way O.o. Whenever i play a good UD he always does some really gay strat anyways. Maybe udvsorc isnt so bad after all.

Holy shit nice thread replication O.o?

[Yoda]

Ok, Cole, that seems strange. Can a thread be serious if the maker decides to produce 6 at once? :rolleyes:

Undead is supposed to be an easy matchup for orc. In fact it is supposed to be orc's only easy matchup. That's because undead don't mass summons (FL and BM are not cookie-cutter for orc, and they very rarely make even the CL). And undead also have the weakest Tier 2 in the game, while orc have the strongest. Undead don't seem to have discovered that they have casters, either, which always seem to own orc.

What really gay strat are you referring to? I can't think of one that would work well against orc, except for mass destroyers. According to the complainers, mass wind riders can beat everything undead has, including fiends with web. But then again, the complainers also say that windriders lose to equal food of footmen with defend. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And also, how come Night Elf is your best matchup?

[cole]

No i didnt really mean to post five of the same thread. Your site or server or w/e fucked up on me as soon as i hit the post thread and it went crazy or something. Cl/dk/fiend/stat/caster is incredibly hard to beat as orc. Ghouls fast tech to mass destroyers is incredibly hard to beat as orc. Even ghoul fiend can be hard. I win the most vs NE, thanks to two of my strats. But even then i still dont win THAT much vs ne. Imo i think orc is a weak solo race. Every race has at least one completely broken hero or unit and orc..well yea.

[mAnbimanimanimA]

No i didnt really mean to post five of the same thread. Your site or server or w/e fucked up on me as soon as i hit the post thread and it went crazy or something. Cl/dk/fiend/stat/caster is incredibly hard to beat as orc. Ghouls fast tech to mass destroyers is incredibly hard to beat as orc. Even ghoul fiend can be hard. I win the most vs NE, thanks to two of my strats. But even then i still dont win THAT much vs ne. Imo i think orc is a weak solo race. Every race has at least one completely broken hero or unit and orc..well yea.
raider, blademaster

[GenocideAlive]

Anim...please be mindful of one-liners. That's really borderline.

And UD is pretty pathetic against masses of windriders. In order to mock together the counter (3/4 food in gargs), you invest a ridiculous amount of money in units that they can counter at a 1:4 ratio (bats). Fiends are the normal equivalent of piercingdmg ranged, but they only have Web. Web wears off, so proper micro can make it irritating to work a simple counter. The final nail in the coffin is Stomp/Wave + Chain lightning, which screws over fiend micro and damages the hell out of fiends FAST.

NE really isn't a difficult m/u, it's just a matter of knowing how to beat the GayHunter harass.

[cole]

Yea but beetles/fiend is incredibly strong and aoe can only do so much vs stats and even a heal scroll. It takes high level aoe to do alot.

[Monty]

Gotta love fiends. Every undead player has an excuse to use them, regardless of matchup. Although I do fail to see the logic against human. Perhaps undead players can reduce mental strain by only learning a couple of fiends builds.

In short, fiends work. A good undead player can keep up the pressure on the orc hero and creep like a bat outta hell. I wonder how much money an orc spends on healing grunts back to par, on average. Basically the one advantage orc gets is the bonus in creeping time at the start to steal a decent camp. Even then a quickish hero can foil that, depending on map position.

Plus the lich practically nullifies wyverns. Any maneuverability advantage can be quickly negated.

[Dayoh]

Lol the fiend is prolly the most used Und unit, its a very good unit "web" really helps the und seeing as though they have like no Ground V Air units.