Can You ever be that fast?

[TranquilNightElf]

You know how many times in movies/TV you see people moving so fast that everything else is standing still to them?..
I was wondering how you would get that fast.
Say you could run as fast as you want.
Then would you have to run that fast constantly for eveyone else to remain still?
But then you wouldn't be able to do anything else but run trying to maintain that speed.
But how could you make it so that everone else remains frozen even when you just walk or do normal activities.

[Doom_Dragoon]

Actually, the thing that is happening is your molecules are vibrating at a faster rate than normal. The faster they move, the more time seems to slow down around you.

It is theorized that if molecules can be vibrated fast enough, the solid object can pass through another.

[TranquilNightElf]

So can you theoretically be that fast that you molecules vibrate so fast even when you are standing still or would you need to be in constant motion?

[Funkwich]

well if you arent moving then you couldnt be going fast enough to make everything stand still

[Kahuzal]

The G-Force would instantly kill you.

[Dark_Soul74]

If your molecules vibrate fast enough, you turn into a gas and get superheated.

Gutes Spiel, kein rematch, Moleküle.

[Doom_Dragoon]

Keep in mind that you are never truely standing still. Your molecules are always moving, thus so are you.

[Kahuzal]

As well as Zeno's paradox... in the more literal sense of your heart beating and yourself breathing creating vibrations... which become more magnified if you magnify the movement... for example, if you have a cam-corder take a blank shot of some random object zoomed in with one hand, you will shake, you have moved... I'm just expanding on Doom's post here.

[Dark_Soul74]

Expanding on my above post, if you turned into a gas and were superheated, you would die for many reasons.
A) Your body would dissemble
B) The heat would kill most things that didn't turn to gas

[GrassDragon]

but your molecules are always vibrating and your still stuck together... so why would you turn to gas or evaporate or break apart? on another note... this idea has been done in a movie before, timestoppers i think it was called, came out a few years ago.

[Kahuzal]

I already said the G-Force would kill you, the acceleration alone of going from rest to blinding speed in a pinch would transform you into gelatanious hot steaming goo before it even hit the ground.

[Doom_Dragoon]

The reason you don't break apart is because the bonds of your molecules are holding you together, and although they are vibrating, they aren't moving that fast.

[GrassDragon]

so you would or wouldnt dissolve if your body molecules vibrated so fast to the point where you could pass through objects?

[Doom_Dragoon]

Well, if your molecules began moving too fast, the molecular bonds holding your body together would probably break. Then you would become a big puddle of goo. gg no rm.

[TranquilNightElf]

hmm..Timestoppers..yeah i remember that..never got a chance to see it though.

Anyhoo

What about altering one's time dimensions so that time for you ie one second to you is like an hour for everyone else..
I mean if time IS just a dimensions, and we can easily alter our physical dimensions(x y and z) then there should be a way to alter our time dimensions as well

[WeekendLazyness]

Problem is, we haven't discovered it yet.

[GrassDragon]

we havent discovered a way to change speed of time anyways. im sure the solution will come along soon enough and people will be slowing down and speeding up all the time :rolleyes: that would be weird.

[OboeGuru]

Temporal Physics! Viva Doctor Who!

Heh. If the human race discovers the properties of time anytime in this millenium, I'd be extremely surprised at the fast progress.

[Duddits]

Can you ever be that fast? Yes you could be, just not the way you are thinking. Time is relative to every object,

EXAMPLE: You are driving down the freeway at an easy 55 miles an hour. A car traveling 60 miles an hour would pass you since his car is traveling faster. To him, you are moving backwards. His brain tells him that you aren't moving backwards though since driving on the freeway is such an everyday thing. But if you stop to think about, forget that you are going 55 MPH, it looks like he is only barely moving forwards from you. You know he is actually going 60 MPH, but it only looks like he is going 5 MPH.

Another example. Use the same example on the freeway. You are going 55 miles an hour and so is the car next to you. Take away all of the scenery and the freeway and the other vehicals, you two don't look like you're moving. You two are at a complete standstill to each other yet are still actually going 55 MPH.

Now... to "freeze" time. You are a bullet. You have just been fired from you gun and are travel at 2000ft per second. To you, the 55 MPH car appears to have stopped. It just appears to "stop", however; it's still going 55 MPH in absolute time. I use "" around stop because the car hasn't actually stopped to you. It is just going very, very slow. Thus, for practicle purposes, you freeze time.

I do not think it is possible to freeze time. I do believe it is possible to make time appear to standstill.

[Fenguin]

All of that sounded cool until you said "absolute time". :D That was killed by the General Theory of Relativity. :D Hehehe...

But I agree with you. Since all time is relative, you can theoretically "stop" it by making your time faster than other people's time. :D And since gravity plays a major role in relative time... :D

[Duddits]

Now how in the hell did I get that absolute time in there? Brain slippage >.<

Gravity doesn't have much of an affect on time unless it is an extreme, like near a blackhole time slow to a near stopping point for anyone somehow being able to witness it time near the blackhole (possibly by a realtime video connection, but that would be extremly delayed and would stop once it passes the event horizon).

[CaRBomBnCowBoy]

Theories theories theories.... until the day it is possible for any of the above talk to become a reality, I believe we can't point out/guess the things that were said until we do proove these theories right or wrong. O well...to the future!!!
:devil:

[Vashy]

I've read a theory that time may pass slower in certain parts of the universe because of "dents" in the spacial field. In these dents, what could be a million years to us, could be 5 minutes in that dent, and vise versa. With this theory, time isn't a constant variable, like it would seem to be. I forget where I read this, but it explained it much better than I have, but I hope you are following me :P

[Duddits]

Theories theories theories.... until the day it is possible for any of the above talk to become a reality, I believe we can't point out/guess the things that were said until we do proove these theories right or wrong. O well...to the future!!!
:devil:
It is possible in the post I made, and has been 'proven' by relativity. You really can prove anything with a theory but the realativity theory has lots of cred to its name.

With this theory, time isn't a constant variable, like it would seem to be.
Time isn't a constant value, once again, accourding to relativity. Einstein really, really came up with a ground breaking theory here.

[TranquilNightElf]

I'll tell you a little intresting story about the genius of Einstien.It shows he never was the one to "buck" the crowd..;)...
Initially when he formullated his theory, they .(and this was inintentional on his part) indicated that space time was continusly expanding.
At the time when he made this break through....the view of a static universe ie not expanding was widely accepted.So what he did was..he modifeied his naturally perfect equations to include a "Cosmological Constan" to take car of and subsequntly nullify the expansion in his equations...he literlaay made them wrong.

Goes to show what we consider proven theory are only true until it is disproven and evevn then it is a long shot.

[KingAragorn]

Hi i just joined the forum. I went through the entire sequence of discussions on this topic. I think that the most logical and reasonable arguement is that time is a relative quantity and hence has its own frame of reference. If you were to consider the entire universe and all its objects in just one frame then fine.. time would mean the same to everybody. even as it is, we on earth have divided time to seconds, mins, hours ,,days , years etc.. to our convinience. Our calculations and judgement of time may not be the same to an Alien say in another galaxy (I wish there were some). Hence the relative concept.

If a person was to develop a time warping sort of a gadget that can dynamically alter the time frame of reference, it would be very much possible to not just have people zipping past other objects, but you could even move forth and back in time and thus "TIME TRAVEL" !!
Phew.. that was long :-)

[wraith_captain]

but your molecules are always vibrating and your still stuck together... so why would you turn to gas or evaporate or break apart? on another note... this idea has been done in a movie before, timestoppers i think it was called, came out a few years ago.Yeah, you aren't a gas right now, but if you vibrate your molecules fast enough, you probably will become one.

[Duddits]

Eh... I realised something though. You wouldn't just suddenly turn to gas. You would first turn into human goo and then gas. Yea :) We skipped one of the properties of matter.

BTW, that movie's called CLockstoppers... my lil' bro has it on DVD ;)

[WeekendLazyness]

I'll tell you a little intresting story about the genius of Einstien.It shows he never was the one to "buck" the crowd..;)...
Initially when he formullated his theory, they .(and this was inintentional on his part) indicated that space time was continusly expanding.
At the time when he made this break through....the view of a static universe ie not expanding was widely accepted.So what he did was..he modifeied his naturally perfect equations to include a "Cosmological Constan" to take car of and subsequntly nullify the expansion in his equations...he literlaay made them wrong.

Goes to show what we consider proven theory are only true until it is disproven and evevn then it is a long shot.
It was Hubble who proved the universe is expanding.

[Fenguin]

Eh... I realised something though. You wouldn't just suddenly turn to gas. You would first turn into human goo and then gas. Yea :) We skipped one of the properties of matter.

BTW, that movie's called CLockstoppers... my lil' bro has it on DVD ;)

You can turn from solid directly to gas. It's called sublimation ;)

[OboeGuru]

And Einstein did admit that he had just invented the "Cosmological Constant" to satisfy public opinion when Lemaître [also] proved that the Universe was expanding at an exposition that Einstein attended.

[TranquilNightElf]

It was Hubble who proved the universe is expanding.
He wasn't the first.
It was indicated first of all by Einstein's Equations.



And Einstein did admit that he had just invented the "Cosmological Constant" to satisfy public opinion when Lemaître [also] proved that the Universe was expanding at an exposition that Einstein attended.

Really?...I didn't know that...have to look him up.

[Fenguin]

Did Einstein really admit that? Haha, even if he did, it would have had to been after it was proven wrong ;)

[Battlecruiser]

You know how many times in movies/TV you see people moving so fast that everything else is standing still to them?..
I was wondering how you would get that fast.
Say you could run as fast as you want.
Then would you have to run that fast constantly for eveyone else to remain still?
But then you wouldn't be able to do anything else but run trying to maintain that speed.
But how could you make it so that everone else remains frozen even when you just walk or do normal activities.
not sure what you are talking about.

[WeekendLazyness]

He wasn't the first.
It was indicated first of all by Einstein's Equations.
Actually, Hubble was the first, because Einstein's General Theory of Relativity and Special Theory of Relativity do not state that the universe is expanding. As a matter in fact, Einstein himself refused to believe it was. It was Hubble who said it was expanding. Hubbles Constant states that the farther something is away from you, the faster it is moving away.

[OboeGuru]

All Hubble really did was apply the principle of Doppler shift to the prismatic brakdown of starlight, that's how he helped prove the expanding universe.

Einstein did admit that, but I'm not sure if it was in the exact circumstance with that exact scientist. I know it was in something very similar to that if not that exactly.

[TranquilNightElf]

Actually, Hubble was the first, because Einstein's General Theory of Relativity and Special Theory of Relativity do not state that the universe is expanding. As a matter in fact, Einstein himself refused to believe it was. It was Hubble who said it was expanding. Hubbles Constant states that the farther something is away from you, the faster it is moving away.


If you mean that hubble first stated it as correct and got proper scientific proof by way of which he could say that the universe is expanding then yes.

However before that Einstein's equations automatically did "indicate" that and he nullified it.And he did not include that point in his theories as to him it was an anomoly.


think of it this way, if Hubble had first proved scientifically that it was expanding, then Einstein wouldn't have had to nullify the expansion.He did so because nobody else at the time thought that was correct.. even though he found out about it first.



To BattleCruiser....I mean that could you ever be that fast that the rest of the world would be standing still?...and how would you get that fast?....would you have to say run that fast(if you were able) and keep running at that speed to achieve the effect?....or could you bring youself in a whole new time dimension such that one seconds for normal people would be 1 hour to you.

[Battlecruiser]

To BattleCruiser....I mean that could you ever be that fast that the rest of the world would be standing still?...and how would you get that fast?....would you have to say run that fast(if you were able) and keep running at that speed to achieve the effect?....or could you bring youself in a whole new time dimension such that one seconds for normal people would be 1 hour to you.

is that even possible? even if you can run at the speed of light?

[TranquilNightElf]

That's what I wanted to know ;)..
Acually I don't think the answer is in running really fast physically...cause if you would do that...you would constantly have to be in the action of running at that speed to make the rest of the world stand still.Probably you'll have to slow your time down instead.

[Adovid]

Its now how fast the molecules vibrate in your body, its how fast they get to where they need to go.

Especially within the brain. They are probably already moving as fast as chemical reactions can move :P.

[Fenguin]

Neural signals are electric. They travel very very very very fast. ;)

[TranquilNightElf]

Not reaaaalllly,(relatively of course)
Max speed is i think 248 feet/sec

[GrassDragon]

i thought electricity moved at the speed of light?

[TranquilNightElf]

Neural signals are not electric. ie not purely current
Also electric signals don't move at the spped of light...if they did then one short circuit on aline would result in such a massive and very fast fast moving current that the entire grid could be wiped out.

[GeYadrON]

Moving very fast has another has another downside; you have to keep moving.
and while you move as fast that everything seems frozen ,because relatively their speed can be neglected, you have to dodge everything.

[TranquilNightElf]

precisely...but that is only if your reaction time your senses etc are funtioning at the original rate and your are physically moving that fast...what would be cool is for you to do ordinary things like walk at a gentle pace and still have everyone else frozen.