View Full Version : WC3 noob here, advice needed.
kongurous
07-23-2006, 9:45 PM
Alright ladies and gentlemen of the WC3 forum, I need your help.
Because I've never placed multiplayer in a high regard, my only experience with WC3 is like two battles... tops. However, I've become increasingly bored and decided to give WC3 a shot.
So, my questions are this: What races do you recommend for newer players? What do I need to know before I start playing?
Mindslaver
07-23-2006, 9:57 PM
All four races are of similar "difficulty" to use, so the best way to find out which one is right for you is to test them out in a few games. Orcs are the most straightforward to use, in my opinion, as they are built similar to other races in other RTSs.
Before you start playing, you need to know how to play. I'm assuming you remember how to play, but if you don't, then play the prelude campaign in Reign of Chaos to learn the ropes of Warcraft.
Besides that, the only way to get better at the game is to keep playing, analyzing your mistakes, and avoiding those mistakes. Looking at replays of the pros is also helpful.
Try to use hotkeys instead of the mouse for simpler commands - the earlier you start doing this, the better. Although at first you may find yourself slowed down by having to use the hotkeys, they are often essential to victory. The hotkey for an action or unit is the yellow letter/command in the action/unit's name.
GenocideAlive
07-23-2006, 10:14 PM
Start with Orc. They have the most straight-forward heroes that will teach you the ropes of the game. They also have the highest HP units, so that will buy you more time as you learn the value of micro.
Your standard build should be FS + TC and you should use Chain Lightning and Shockwave to your advantage in battles. Your best bet will always be to look at some replays of other people playing to get an idea of what your basic strategies should look like.
The hardest part about Orc is knowing what positioning is acceptable and what situations you should avoid. Basically Orc's bane is casters, which tend to give them fits in terms of good dispel and good counters.
When you play HU, you want to go after their peasants for tier 1, and try to get a good level FS by tier 2. Then you'll want to get raiders and spirit walkers or get just shamen (requires tier 3). Watch for their fast expansions, they're sneaky like that. FS TC for shockwave and chain lightning.
When you play UD, you want lots of grunts, lots of raiders and you want to creep like crazy until you get your raiders, then ride them like a pony. They're going to be trying to get magic-damage air units that you want to either hit with bats as soon as they come out, or just wipe them out before they get them. Oftentimes they turtle up and you have to counter by expanding. FS TC for shockwave and chain lightning. If they get fiends, you may want to consider giving the TC Warstomp instead.
When you play elf, you want to avoid the DH harass and get ready for either talon / dryad / hunt or mass talons or bear / dryad. If they go bear dryad, you want raiders and kodos, ensnare the bears, eat them with kodos, and TP back. If they go talon/dryad/hunt, you want mostly raider/walker. If they go mass talons you want to get a shit ton of raiders, tower them, and destroy their base before they get to tier 3 or you're fucked by cyclone. Either Blademaster, FS + TC, or FS + SH; BM for harass, FS + TC for chainwaving their talons, FS + SH for offensive towering.
In the mirror, you want Kodo beasts and raiders and a lot of luck. Basically any hero is viable in this matchup.
When you play HU, you want to go after their peasants for tier 1, and try to get a good level FS by tier 2. Then you'll want to get raiders and spirit walkers or get just shamen (requires tier 3). Watch for their fast expansions, they're sneaky like that. FS TC for shockwave and chain lightning.
Shaman, spirit walkers, and raiders all require only tier 2.
A good way to start is to play the Single player campaigns starting with ROC then TFT. They teach quite a few parts of the game and are fun as well. You may want to be able to defeat the computer on easy, but its more fun to go straight to battle.net.
Adding onto what GenocideAlive said, a good way to avoid harassment on peons is to place them in burrows when the DH/Blademaster comes. As human, construct a few arcane towers. As elf, always carry a dust with you (from either the Ancient of Wonders or the neutral shop) if the enemy makes a blademaster or abuses shadowmeld.
Common strategies:
Night Elf
Demon Hunter first hero + archers. Tech to bears + dyrads. Either Panda or NSW as a secondary hero. Against orc, go DH + FL + BM (beastmaster) to mass summons. Also mass DOTT.
Orc
FS first hero. On maps where you spawn near your opponent or on LT (Lost temple - because of the fountain), or against elf (Demon hunter/wisp harassment) the Blademaster is possibly better. Common units: Grunts, raiders, windriders. Or Grunts + catapults.
Undead:
Death Knight first hero, followed by Lich. Go fiends + stats, teching to aboms + destroyers.
Human
Archmage followed by Mountain King. Rifles + casters + morters, and sometimes add knights if needed.
Note: Its a good idea to make the FL as a secondary hero against orc, and tier 2 push ;)
GenocideAlive
07-24-2006, 12:20 AM
My point to the (requires tier 3) comment wasn't that shamen were a tier 3 unit, but that if you get shamen, you damned well better get tier 3 for Bloodlust or you're braindead; Bloodlust is arguably the best targeted spell in the game. Besides, if you're running around with Adept shammies you're probably going to be out of mana after one battle.
As what Kong claim, he is a Noob, I doubt he will understand what you guy trying to tell him, isn’t a bit too much for him?
Start playing is the best option to find out.
Kong, at beginning, all race are similar, just ignore what each race got at later stage, focus everything in “2” tier one unit, 1 for grand unit and the other one go for Air, or what they call range unit.
For example, for Human, get Footman and Rifle, that’s it, nothing more you need to know.
For Night Elf, Arc and Huntress, etc… that is strong enough to begin.
For hero, pick any that appeal to you, for beginning no single hero will particularly gain you advantage or disadvantage, as they all have strength and weakness, and require practical skill to make them look strong.
You’ll find one that suit your playing style as you play more.
Except if you play Night Elf, get POTM for hero, auto cast her “fire arrow” I think she is the easier and best NE hero for beginner.
my first war3 game was with humans...
as mindslaver said..play the prologue and you'l get to know lots of things...
orc=best melle and hp units
right now i play night elfs orcs...
archres+huntres+potm+druids and some monted archres =>pwn all :)
g'luck to you kong
xodkrm
07-24-2006, 4:28 AM
Yeah, orc is pretty easy.
But later on, it gets harder to "master".
As what Kong claim, he is a Noob, I doubt he will understand what you guy trying to tell him, isn’t a bit too much for him?
Start playing is the best option to find out.
Kong, at beginning, all race are similar, just ignore what each race got at later stage, focus everything in “2” tier one unit, 1 for grand unit and the other one go for Air, or what they call range unit.
For example, for Human, get Footman and Rifle, that’s it, nothing more you need to know.
For Night Elf, Arc and Huntress, etc… that is strong enough to begin.
For hero, pick any that appeal to you, for beginning no single hero will particularly gain you advantage or disadvantage, as they all have strength and weakness, and require practical skill to make them look strong.
You’ll find one that suit your playing style as you play more.
Except if you play Night Elf, get POTM for hero, auto cast her “fire arrow” I think she is the easier and best NE hero for beginner.
No sorry but this is way off. You may not even beat newbs by going potm first and just going some archers and hunts the entire game.
Ga is pretty accurate. I agree with him saying orc is easiest to learn at a early stage vs newb-slightly mediocre opponents. So its a good race to start out with. However once you play good players then orc becomes a hard race to play.
Just watch replays, and dont listen to all the advice you get. Your better off for the most part, learning things by yourself through soloing.
yeah once u play good players with orcs its hard. chain+wave + net is very hard to use. u must first cast the net, then the wave, then the chain. not in reverse order. you must do wave and then chain, or else you lose.
also, you must remember, when playing against undead, you must never make units other than grunts and raiders. raiders are the best, with their net. net and chain and wave, thats what i say!
good day!
yeah once u play good players with orcs its hard. chain+wave + net is very hard to use. u must first cast the net, then the wave, then the chain. not in reverse order. you must do wave and then chain, or else you lose.
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Im guessing your being sarcastic but if you can beat a good HU with chain/wave/ensare then post reps plz. Orc vs hu is more like Focusfire/ensare/chain/wave/wolve/dispel/spiritlink/dispel/flank/speed scroll low hp grunts out/surround. Yea its not hard at all.
whoman_human
07-24-2006, 3:11 PM
Hey kong if you've played the campaign then I think you'll have a favorite race..
just search some replays of pros and copy their start build..
later on you can try some new tricks but that should be enough for beginners.
Or if you have a friend who plays that game just play with him and learn some tricks.
That's how I learned playing wc3...good look^^
kongurous
12-21-2007, 9:27 AM
Yes, I'm back and didn't feel like making a new thread. If anyone wants some free wins, feel free to challenge me here or somewhere else.
Come on, people, here's your chance to kick a warboards moderator's ass!
I see old dudes posting around, are they really back or just peeping?
Regardless, I go for Orc for quick learning. They are a lot simpler functions than most of the races.
FrankZ
12-22-2007, 2:50 AM
Yeah, but orcs are like protosses on SC. Their units costs way expensive than the other races. But besides that, I'll have to agree with Sid.
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