HU t2 push vs orc is so imbala...

[cole]

Thats 4 losses in a row to the same hu vs orc strat now. Am/beast mass footy/caster tower tier 2 push. Now tell me thats balanced. Ive done literallly everything i could think of to counter it. NOTHING works. I can only beat it around 1/4 times and thats if i SEVERLY outplay my opponent. This needs to be fixed -_-.

[wa123]

show the replay if is that powerful

[Prozerran]

I don't need to see the replay to know what you're talking about. The real problem is that Sorcs cast slow on Cata's. In all honesty, if that were fixed, this match-up would be completely balanced.

Not that it should be anyway. Good old Grunt/Raider is your best bet, and not with casters following. That's what Human wants you to do. What you must do is dual beastiary and survive the push with Grunts/Raiders/Cata's and then follow right up with Wyverns followed by Bats. Or you could no-rax tech and Mass Bats. Honestly, your BM micro wins you that game, nothing more. WWing BM on Hu peasants wins you ALL Orc/Hu match-ups. That's just about it, I think.

EDIT: I should point out that my first paragraph is sarcastic in nature, not serious.

[GenocideAlive]

I actually found myself agreeing with your first paragraph's assessment. T_T

Cole, PRESSURE THE HU. Stay on top of 'em, don't let 'em creep all over the place. Orc >>> HU tier 1, make 'em play with you during tier 1, or you'll lose when they make you play with them @ tier 2!

[mAnbimanimanimA]

Cole, PRESSURE THE HU. Stay on top of 'em, don't let 'em creep all over the place. Orc >>> HU tier 1, make 'em play with you during tier 1, or you'll lose when they make you play with them @ tier 2!
This is true.

Now, if you have the ability to not feel like a lowlife when towering your own base, try it. Then you have a safe place to shoot with your demos from, and they're not getting mortars in a while, plus your towers have better range than human towers. I could IMAGINE this working.

[RedRagToAnOrc]

This is true.

Now, if you have the ability to not feel like a lowlife when towering your own base, try it. Then you have a safe place to shoot with your demos from, and they're not getting mortars in a while, plus your towers have better range than human towers. I could IMAGINE this working.

Or you could go all-out-manner and copy Grubby. He fast expanded and massed towers and demos against Sky once. Depressingly, he won. I have the replay somewhere.

[cole]

Yea ive come up with such a homo counter to this strat it makes HU look even less homo. But still it doesnt work all the time. I creep to level 2 run in his base and rape all his wood peasants with cl, then i make like 1-2 towers in my base and creep 2 mines he wouldnt expect and get two expos up. But if my peasant rape fails then im SOL. My problem with harrassing a HU is that if his micro is similiar to mine or better than usually it just wont do enough.

[RedRagToAnOrc]

Yea ive come up with such a homo counter to this strat it makes HU look even less homo. But still it doesnt work all the time. I creep to level 2 run in his base and rape all his wood peasants with cl, then i make like 1-2 towers in my base and creep 2 mines he wouldnt expect and get two expos up. But if my peasant rape fails then im SOL. My problem with harrassing a HU is that if his micro is similiar to mine or better than usually it just wont do enough.

This is common in Hu Mirror, and FoH)InfernaL was the first person to ever do it to me. I don't know if I have the replay still, but he suicided my wood peasants twice and by the time he had Knights/Casters I was still at Footmen and two heroes. His micro was awesome, but you don't even need to care about the army, you just waltz in and AoE/focus down the peasants. Mass Militia? No problem, just continue to focus fire the peasants, completely ignoring the army.

Never tried it in OvH but hey, could be a possibility.

[cole]

Yea ive done it before and its worked actually fairly good. It weakens the T2 push which is what i have to do.

[GenocideAlive]

Which is what I've been trying to say for like the past 6 mos., with no-one hearing a goddamned word. Jesus.

I have/had this TC + zerks thing I did where I creep TC to L3 and then go gonzo on peasants with Shockwave. Then when I get to tier 3 I pop out Tauren and go for the jugular. They always have a mix of Sorc/Priest and footie and then they call militia, but Pulverize + shockwave rapes, and single hero = ressurect faster and faster aura. They can't get poly or gryphs out in time, because I'm teching like a fucking madman and they stop to do the tier 2 buildup crap that's hampered by a good wood peasant blitz.

[cole]

Which is what I've been trying to say for like the past 6 mos., with no-one hearing a goddamned word. Jesus.

I have/had this TC + zerks thing I did where I creep TC to L3 and then go gonzo on peasants with Shockwave. Then when I get to tier 3 I pop out Tauren and go for the jugular. They always have a mix of Sorc/Priest and footie and then they call militia, but Pulverize + shockwave rapes, and single hero = ressurect faster and faster aura. They can't get poly or gryphs out in time, because I'm teching like a fucking madman and they stop to do the tier 2 buildup crap that's hampered by a good wood peasant blitz.

post rep of this--

[Prozerran]

Months upon MONTHS ago I posted this Orc Strategy against Human when everyone was bitching about Human, and I swear to GOD it was Solo TC/Berserks to Tauren. Did anyone listen then? FUCK NO! Well, obviously GA paid attention. He's reposting the same strategy.

Of course, I must admit that I did suggest the usage of Witch Docs for Stasis Trap, so I may have had a few kinks that perhaps needed "ironing out." Witch Docs, after all, are NOT the best caster to use against Human Spell Breakers. I think I've just answered my own question. I'll retreat to the abyss of shame for the night and revisit all of this tomorrow. Good night.

[GroG]

Back in 1.14 days, I used to go FS (wolve/chain)/TC(stomp/aura) (no rax) into 2 beastiary wyvern into tauren/raider. Harass his wood peons with wyv, force tower/riflemen, slow tech, and then get tauren/raider to counter rifle/hawk/sorc. Worked like 80% of the time.

I wonder if it still works now.

[GenocideAlive]

Months upon MONTHS ago I posted this Orc Strategy against Human when everyone was bitching about Human, and I swear to GOD it was Solo TC/Berserks to Tauren. Did anyone listen then? FUCK NO! Well, obviously GA paid attention. He's reposting the same strategy.
Actually, I first discovered this strategy years upon years ago from this website called "www.warcraftstrategy.com". A poster there named Keynes developed it and tried to propegate it, but no-one paid attention and apparently couldn't do it worth shit, either. Well, I paid attention and I practiced it to pretty good success rate.

It has its kinks, though--namely if he goes mass footie with defend and gets an MK and priests at tier 2. That pretty much screws the Orc over. However, I believe I've found at least a mild counter that I haven't had much of a chance to test out extensively.

[RedRagToAnOrc]

I wonder if it still works now.

BM/SH Mass Wyverns works on Lost Temple and certain other maps.

[cole]

BM/SH Mass Wyverns works on Lost Temple and certain other maps.

Usually only if the HU goes for a fast expo though. FS is a bit mit more effective otherwise. Level 3 wolves are just so awesome anyways.

[RedRagToAnOrc]

Usually only if the HU goes for a fast expo though. FS is a bit mit more effective otherwise. Level 3 wolves are just so awesome anyways.

Well BM reigns supreme on LT regardless, that's why you go BM vs all races on LT as Orc, so you can have options of harrassing, creeping troll camps in mid while harrassing/creeping with Grunts, or fast expanding and taking Critical Strike first to clear out your natural faster.

[GenocideAlive]

I swear to god, if I have to play one more BM towers abuser, I'm going to puke. Could it be any fucking easier to lame? Three towers, tier 2-->produce 2 beastiaries and a caster hut. Begin producing raider/wyv/caster. Raider town halls and important buildings--use pillage to swap TPs and still come out ahead. If you come after him with mass air, of course he's going to nail you with the 20 bats he's been building up for bat harass anyway. Christ, these games get on my motherfucking nerves.

[cole]

What about a t1 push with defended footys, OT and AM? That might beat fast tech. And 3 towers means slower tech.

[GroG]

I hit L27 today in an OvHU!!!! and I didn't lose! ranked 863 now ;x

He didn't tier 2 push me though, he FE and I chainwaved his ass and got tauren/cata with oil and master walkers. You CANT lose with that shit (unless they air, and you don't go that strat)

Dude, just run around with FS/TC and chainwave his peasants and run away. At L3, get chain lightning L2 instead of wolves, and just fuck him over as bad as you can. Hell, if you can get lightning wards while creeping tier 1 even better. Here's the rep, theres a couple of mistakes, but you get the jist

glgl!

[Prozerran]

Actually, I first discovered this strategy years upon years ago from this website called "www.warcraftstrategy.com". A poster there named Keynes developed it and tried to propegate it, but no-one paid attention and apparently couldn't do it worth shit, either. Well, I paid attention and I practiced it to pretty good success rate.

It has its kinks, though--namely if he goes mass footie with defend and gets an MK and priests at tier 2. That pretty much screws the Orc over. However, I believe I've found at least a mild counter that I haven't had much of a chance to test out extensively.

Yeah. That's where I learned about the strategy. Honestly I was just fucking with you. Is my sarcasm really THAT elusive?

[GenocideAlive]

Yes, yes it is.

[Prozerran]

My sense of humor doesn't always show in my posts, probably because of how quirky it can tend to be. I often find things amusing that others don't until I sit back and explain it to them. Ultimately, they find it amusing, but it kills the humor for me because I have to explain it to them. I prefer to just simply leave it elusive and be done with it. So, deal with it.

[GenocideAlive]

OK, I really don't think anybody needed a rundown of the anatomy and background of your sense of humor, tough guy. :rolleyes: