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Frattimonde
05-04-2004, 12:54 PM
Inactive, I declear this thread closed!
I took on more than I could handle.

Awfully sorry, all my energy Is gone.

RelinaIonna
05-04-2004, 1:56 PM
O.k. I'm in. So lets go.

Frattimonde
05-04-2004, 2:10 PM
O.k. I'm in. So lets go. Thy dillemma is.

A beautiful moring during the summer when birds are singing and children playing.
You wake up with a strange feeling, to be more specific.
A troubleing Nightmare, a vision.

You saw yourself walikng In a mythical forest with a friend of yours.
You are waliking quitely through the wilds and you are talikng with your friend about a little bit of everthing.

All suddenly a madman grabs your friend and holds a knife against his throat.
He speaks to you..
"Come with If you want your friend to live.
If you do not follow, he will die."

You donīt why he wants you alone.
But you know that heīs serious.
And then the dream just end.

You think perhaps It was just a dream.

As you begin your day, your friend calls you
and ask If you want to take a walk with him In the woods.
You say "Sure, why not."

You meet up with your friend and start to walk in the woods.
And then the Unimaginable happen.
Your nightmare comes true and the madman shows up.
and then..

Well what do you do now?
Please be motivated In your answer.
This wasnīt the most best I could made up perhaps.

ZeroDarkStar
05-04-2004, 2:17 PM
I think this belongs in the RP section.

RelinaIonna
05-04-2004, 2:22 PM
I've thought about negotiation tactics many times in the past, though I never thought it'd be any use. Here it is, I'm fairly skilled in martial arts, and just because I'm Asian. Anyway it’s a skill I have none the less, but that’s just a tool in my answer, it works the same way as if I had a gun. So anyway here my answer to the madman: I'm not going with you and I'm not leaving, its simple you kill her (the hostage) I'll kill you, you can't slit a throat and fend me off at the same time. So you let her go or you die, I can wait, its not like I'm going anywhere! Well that’s my answer, the friend/hostage may die, but I'll have blood vengeance. That’s my answer. It could fail, I could be injured, but the guy won't get away unscathed. Throats can be torn, eyes gouged, lungs collapsed!

madman5
05-04-2004, 2:27 PM
Madman

Oh yeah...make fun of madman5 is always fun......


I want a Dillema!

Frattimonde
05-04-2004, 3:05 PM
Oh yeah...make fun of madman5 is always fun......


I want a Dillema! Lets say that one of your dearest Is lethaly sick and
somehow the only way for you to save that person.

Is to give up a vital part of your body which would result In your own death.
You are nervous and scared.
What will I do? Is she worth the sacrifice of my own life?
You think to your self.

Suddenly the doctor steps into the room and wants your desicion.

-Well, what will you do?
Pardon If this isnīt a really
good dilemma.
As I kind a tired now and couldnīt make up any better.
Sorry!

Frattimonde
05-04-2004, 3:10 PM
I've thought about negotiation tactics many times in the past, though I never thought it'd be any use. Here it is, I'm fairly skilled in martial arts, and just because I'm Asian. Anyway it’s a skill I have none the less, but that’s just a tool in my answer, it works the same way as if I had a gun. So anyway here my answer to the madman: I'm not going with you and I'm not leaving, its simple you kill her (the hostage) I'll kill you, you can't slit a throat and fend me off at the same time. So you let her go or you die, I can wait, its not like I'm going anywhere! Well that’s my answer, the friend/hostage may die, but I'll have blood vengeance. That’s my answer. It could fail, I could be injured, but the guy won't get away unscathed. Throats can be torn, eyes gouged, lungs collapsed!
Intressting answer, I myself I think that I could not risk my friends life.
So I would actually chose to take his place.

For It is my duty to preserve life.
And I rather give my own life to death rather than to sacrifice any of my friends lives.

Well thatīs my answer.

Valjean
05-04-2004, 4:05 PM
I wanna be in! gimme a dilema. ^.^

RelinaIonna
05-04-2004, 5:03 PM
France has no rights, get lost!

Nahotnoj
05-04-2004, 5:20 PM
im in!

Geno
05-04-2004, 8:08 PM
Geno requests a dilema to solve

Oh, I have one for you, if you want it ;)

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

OboeGuru
05-04-2004, 8:26 PM
Moved to RP Forum, cuz it's somewhat RPish. :p

Generally, if you're wondering if it isn't the right forum to post it in, 8 or 9 times out of 10, it isn't.

Doggonnit, it makes me have to work. Staff are dubbed "slackers" for a reason, ya know.

CODEZERO
05-04-2004, 8:32 PM
Im In

Whiteknight
05-04-2004, 10:22 PM
I'll be in.

Personally, I think this should probably be in the "General Discussion" area, since it's not really an rpg, just something similar to "rate thread", and "what you think of the above person", etc. But, then again, he's mod, so it's his choice.

Frattimonde
05-05-2004, 4:03 AM
Iīm Back.
And I shall try to give all a dilemma!

Frattimonde
05-05-2004, 7:30 AM
I wanna be in! gimme a dilema. ^.^ Lets say that you have to sacrifice a group people In order
to save a lot of others. This group of people are infected by a lethal virus that will spread all over the world, unless you kill them and burn their corpses.

The firing squad waits nervousely for you to give the order.
Will you give that order or not?

What will you do?
If you can, be motivated In you answer.

Frattimonde
05-05-2004, 7:39 AM
im in! You are godchild, that Is hanuted by your almighy father
that wished you to become evil, and to embrace your power.

He threatens to hurt and kill that which you hold dearest If you donīt join him. You think to yourself, "I donīt want to lose my friends".
"But If I embrace my power, then Its likely that many other innocents would die in their stead".

Both choices comes with consequences.
What will you chose?

Pardon If this isnīt the best dilemma.
But is a dillemma.

Frattimonde
05-05-2004, 7:47 AM
Geno requests a dilema to solve

Oh, I have one for you, if you want it ;)

~Larry "Geno" Meyers
Lets say that a girl that you love very much,
has to move to another country. She asks If you want
to go with her.

You think to yourself..
"Hell, Iīm crazy about that girl and I love to follow her.
But If I do I had to leave all my friends behind and try to become
familiar with my new home. Hmm, Is she really worth that I must leave all my friends behind?".

Will you go with her or not?

So whats your answer?

Geno
05-05-2004, 7:52 AM
Lets say that a girl that you love very much,
has to move to another country. She asks If you want
to go with her.

You think to yourself..
"Hell, Iīm crazy about that girl and I love to follow her.
But If I do I had to leave all my friends behind and try to become
familiar with my new home. Hmm, Is she really worth that I must leave all my friends behind?".

Will you go with her or not?

So whats your answer?


Even the most beautiful aquaintance is less important than that of a true friend. I would refuse to go, and tell her that my friends are more important to me than just a beautiful face. If she breaks up, then it was for the better. If she thinks that's good, then I know she would have been the one for me, and that someday, I would see her again.

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

P.S. C'mon, give me a harder one...

Frattimonde
05-05-2004, 7:54 AM
Im In Hmm, Lets say that you are offered 10000 dollars
to kill a man. You think that It is a tempting offer and also
a chance for revenge. Because the person that you must
kill Is someone that you really hate, that person was the high schools
King Bee and he ran you down all the time.
Plus, he isnīt a really much of a fighter. He Is a easy prey for you to hunt down.

So the question Is.
Would you kill that person for the money?

Yes or No.

And explain why!

Nahotnoj
05-05-2004, 7:58 AM
You are godchild, that Is hanuted by your almighy father
that wished you to become evil, and to embrace your power.

He threatens to hurt and kill that which you hold dearest If you donīt join him. You think to yourself, "I donīt want to lose my friends".
"But If I embrace my power, then Its likely that many other innocents would die in their stead".

Both choices comes with consequences.
What will you chose?


I would never embrace evil. I would try to protect my friends from him, seeing as how I have a "power". I might try to act the part of joining evil, then betraying my evil godfather (it was a godfather, right?), but if I did that, I would eventually fall prey to evils will. i would not be able to resist.

So, I would not become evil, but I would not just stand there and allow my friends to die.

Frattimonde
05-05-2004, 8:04 AM
I'll be in.

Personally, I think this should probably be in the "General Discussion" area, since it's not really an rpg, just something similar to "rate thread", and "what you think of the above person", etc. But, then again, he's mod, so it's his choice. Hmm, lets say that you must do a certain devious act to save yourself.
You are a german soldier of the WW2, and you have been ordered to execute a jewish prisioner. You think that It is wrong, but If you donīt. Then you would be most likely shot and your family would be without a father/husband.

The Commaning officer yells to you:
"What are doing, Schweinhund.
Kill the jew or you shall be shot!".

The preasure Is getting heavier and you feel scared more than ever before In your life. You squeze the trigger a bit and think.
Shall I do It or not?

Well what will you do?

Frattimonde
05-05-2004, 8:10 AM
I would never embrace evil. I would try to protect my friends from him, seeing as how I have a "power". I might try to act the part of joining evil, then betraying my evil godfather (it was a godfather, right?), but if I did that, I would eventually fall prey to evils will. i would not be able to resist.

So, I would not become evil, but I would not just stand there and allow my friends to die.
You have solved your dilemma well.
I would probaly do the same as you.

Hey say have you tried Baldurs Gate?
There you are also a godchild that must embrace Evil power.
But you donīt know at first, you will find It out later when catch up
with your evil half-brother whom seeks this power.
The gods name Is Bhaal.
Anyway.
Have you tried It?

Notice: Send reply to this question by Private Message.

Ole-The-Murder
05-05-2004, 8:18 AM
You didn't answer to Geno's wish for a harder dilemma, but anyways. I want a dilemma worth of my name! Wuuaaahh! That mean's no dilemma, right? Hahahashhah. Okay, fire it at me, but make it a dud shot.

CODEZERO
05-05-2004, 9:01 AM
yes i would i would then throw the evidence in a volcano who the hell would look in there the money better not be fake reason why so i could get bak at that little B@$!ARD

Im IN again

Ole-The-Murder
05-05-2004, 9:56 AM
That wasn't really a dilemma Fratt? The weight on yes was way too high..uh.. a person you hated..who ran you over in college...1000 dollars...why whould anyone say no? Okay yeah like they deserve to live too and all that, but there where almost no consequences at doing it, atleast not as I've seen, and nothing tempted you to not doing it...or any consequences of saying no. Besides, why don't cha quote the dilemma, CODEZERO? Makes it easier to guess what dilemma you're answering to. Well, atleast I knew. No pun intended!

RelinaIonna
05-05-2004, 11:56 AM
Interesting about the WW2 dilema, but they didn't kill the German officers who sympithized with the Jews. They were still Germans, who were still soldiers and in that they were still resources; so they were labelled weak and shipped somewhere else where you wouldn't deal with Jews, like on the front lines facing the Allies. I may be wrong but this is just what I've learned from my history class, but hey your actually living in Europe so w/e.

Valjean
05-05-2004, 11:57 AM
Lets say that you have to sacrifice a group people In order

to save a lot of others. This group of people are infected by a lethal virus that will spread all over the world, unless you kill them and burn their corpses.

The firing squad waits nervousely for you to give the order.
Will you give that order or not?

What will you do?
If you can, be motivated In you answer.


I would have the people quarintined and have them given food, supplies, and all that good stuff before they're sent in the area they're quarintined to. After they all die from the virus, I'll have the room burned. The room will be sepurated by 5 doors, each one closing before another opens. Through these doors, a robot will be sent in with a small flamethrower and gas tanks and burn everything in the room, then explode. The room will then be cut off and possibly napalmed from above.

I'm crazy like that. :p

gimme another one! >_<

ShawnManX
05-05-2004, 12:02 PM
Dillemah me up.

Frattimonde
05-05-2004, 12:29 PM
As the title says.

Note that I am still thinking up some good dilemmas,
It might some while.

Exactly how long It will take you can read about on the first page.

Whiteknight
05-05-2004, 11:52 PM
Hmm, lets say that you must do a certain devious act to save yourself.

You are a german soldier of the WW2, and you have been ordered to execute a jewish prisioner. You think that It is wrong, but If you donīt. Then you would be most likely shot and your family would be without a father/husband.

The Commaning officer yells to you:
"What are doing, Schweinhund.
Kill the jew or you shall be shot!".

The preasure Is getting heavier and you feel scared more than ever before In your life. You squeze the trigger a bit and think.
Shall I do It or not?

Well what will you do?


Well, the thing is, German people were raised to believe that the Jews were inferior, although I guess there were a few sympathizers.

I would pull the trigger and kill the man. If I sympathized with Jews, I would be able to do more damage if I was still held in their confidence and learn more, than if I would be sent packing from the army. Also, I would know that the CO would most likely come and take the gun from me, shooting them anyways, so there is no point in not shooting. The only thing you could do top save the Jew is to shoot the CO, but then the guards around you would slaughter you in one second, along with the Jew.

So, I'd pull the trigger because:
a. I'd stay alive
b. The Jew would die anyways
c. I'd be able to gain valuable information and help sabatoge the German forces if I was kept in their confidence.

Give me another, please.

Nahotnoj
05-06-2004, 6:20 AM
Could I have another too please?

CODEZERO
05-06-2004, 8:00 PM
me want anther one

ShawnManX
05-07-2004, 1:35 AM
I want to be in.

tanain_hawkwing
05-07-2004, 11:02 AM
Gimme one please

RelinaIonna
05-07-2004, 11:22 AM
I wait for thread to DIe, then I ask :p!

Frattimonde
05-07-2004, 3:24 PM
I bite on more than I could chew.
Sorry!
But all my homework has sucked away my
energy, I canīt think out any new good dilemmas.

I am awfully sorry!

I suppose am just thinking unclearly, or maybe am just evil
and ingnorant.

Geno
05-07-2004, 3:38 PM
I bite on more than I could chew.
Sorry!
But all my homework has sucked away my
energy, I canīt think out any new good dilemmas.

I am awfully sorry!

I suppose am just thinking unclearly, or maybe am just evil
and ingnorant.

This is why you don't make threads like this alone. Always have a book of questions... I could reccomend you a few, but the ones I read, I have no ideas of the titles, as I borrow them from my English teacher. That, or just ask EVERYONE the same question... That would work better for you. Of course, just suggestions.

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

Battlecruiser
05-07-2004, 3:56 PM
Well, the thing is, German people were raised to believe that the Jews were inferior, although I guess there were a few sympathizers.
Well your right. Sort of. They thought the jews were bad but not inferior. The idea of them being inferior is when Hitler started preaching that the germans are the master race, the Aryans. And Hitler was not in power long enough for kids who were being tought jews are inferior to become adults yet. So that means the ss, the people who run the concentration camps would not have been raised up like that. They might have hated them but I don't think they tought they were inferior and all that stuff because many jews were germans too.

Ole-The-Murder
05-08-2004, 12:08 PM
I could help you in making Dilemmas another time, like me and you Fratt, togheter we make dilemmas to please zhe crowd. Then none of us will suck out of energy, because well back each other up before it happens, and work in perfect synergie, cranking out dilemmas, like when you get tired, I do the dilemmas, and vice versa. Get it? Then it whould function well enough, considering da small but active crowd we have here. Let's give them all a salute..for good thinkin and solving of the dilemmas, zhā's was well done!

I believe I whould've threathened to kill the Nazi officer if they didn't let their guns down, AND saved the jew, if the dilemma was to me, though.

Frattimonde
05-08-2004, 12:58 PM
I could help you in making Dilemmas another time, like me and you Fratt, togheter we make dilemmas to please zhe crowd. Then none of us will suck out of energy, because well back each other up before it happens, and work in perfect synergie, cranking out dilemmas, like when you get tired, I do the dilemmas, and vice versa. Get it? Then it whould function well enough, considering da small but active crowd we have here. Let's give them all a salute..for good thinkin and solving of the dilemmas, zhā's was well done!

I believe I whould've threathened to kill the Nazi officer if they didn't let their guns down, AND saved the jew, if the dilemma was to me, though.
Perhaps we could do that some time In the future.
Or we could make a thread where people gives us
dilemmas to answer.

We shall see what time decides.

ZeroDarkStar
05-08-2004, 2:25 PM
Here's one, if anybody wants it:

You're on a spaceship, with your best friend. While tuning your spaceship's engine, your wrench falls between a crack in the engine. It looks as though it may take some time to get it.

Suddenly a warning light goes off, and the computer tells you an asteroid is on a colision path towards your ship. Your friend panics, and in the process, slips and is knocked out. As you frantically try to start the engine, searching through the levers and buttons, because your friend was the pilot, the computer tells you that the engine is damaged. The wrench that has fallen in the crack is required to fix it. The engine WILL run, just not at full steam.

Here is your dilemma: Do you?

-Try and retrieve the wrench to try and quick repair the engine?

-Do you try to revive your friend?

-Or do you try to use what little piloting experiance and engine power you have to try and manuever around the space rock?

Ole-The-Murder
05-08-2004, 3:27 PM
My friend must have been an awfully inexperienced pilot to have paniced over that, but nevertheless..here is my answer.

First, I'll retrieve the wrench, quickly repairing the engine.
Then, I will pilot the ship away from the astroid, and when we're safe out of danger from running on incoming objects, I will attempt reviving my friend. No matter trying to revive my friend INSTEAD of saving the ship, because if the ship goes down my friends goes too, if my friend goes down the ship don't, so it's logic to save the ship and then save your mate, instead of wasting time saving your friend while the ship crashes into an astroid, when its more important to save both your lives and then revive my friend, obviously.

Geno
05-09-2004, 12:50 AM
How about I throw one out for everyone here:

There are ten guns on a rack. None of these guns are familiar to you, even if you know of every weapon in the universe. You pick each of them up, and can't feel the different between them. Here's the thing.

You are offered one million dollars (American) to pick up a gun, point it to your forehead, and pull the trigger. Easy eh? One gun is loaded, nine are not. What do you do? You only have to choose one, and you only get to choose one if you do. You either walk away with nothing, and your life, one million dollars richer, and your life, or you die now. What's your pick?

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

P.S. I have other ones to make you think, but right now, I want to see the reaction to this one. After a while, I will post other ones.

Battlecruiser
05-09-2004, 12:55 AM
There are ten guns on a rack. None of these guns are familiar to you, even if you know of every weapon in the universe. You pick each of them up, and can't feel the different between them. Here's the thing.

You are offered one million dollars (American) to pick up a gun, point it to your forehead, and pull the trigger. Easy eh? One gun is loaded, nine are not. What do you do? You only have to choose one, and you only get to choose one if you do. You either walk away with nothing, and your life, one million dollars richer, and your life, or you die now. What's your pick?

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

I would see if I could tell a difference in the weights, if not then I wouldn't do it because a million is too little. Maybe for a couple of billion I would. So my answer is walk away with nothing and my life. My life is too important for me.

Geno, that was a very good question. I bet there will be a lot of interesting answers for this one.

Geno
05-09-2004, 1:16 AM
Ah, yes, I forgot about that part of it... When you inspected each gun, since you don't know the gun, you couldn't tell a difference in the weight of any of them. That means that no matter which one you pick up, there is NO way to tell which one is loaded.

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

RelinaIonna
05-09-2004, 10:39 AM
Here's one, if anybody wants it:

You're on a spaceship, with your best friend. While tuning your spaceship's engine, your wrench falls between a crack in the engine. It looks as though it may take some time to get it.

Suddenly a warning light goes off, and the computer tells you an asteroid is on a colision path towards your ship. Your friend panics, and in the process, slips and is knocked out. As you frantically try to start the engine, searching through the levers and buttons, because your friend was the pilot, the computer tells you that the engine is damaged. The wrench that has fallen in the crack is required to fix it. The engine WILL run, just not at full steam.

Here is your dilemma: Do you?

-Try and retrieve the wrench to try and quick repair the engine?

-Do you try to revive your friend?

-Or do you try to use what little piloting experiance and engine power you have to try and manuever around the space rock?Is There an Escape Pod?
How about I throw one out for everyone here:

There are ten guns on a rack. None of these guns are familiar to you, even if you know of every weapon in the universe. You pick each of them up, and can't feel the different between them. Here's the thing.

You are offered one million dollars (American) to pick up a gun, point it to your forehead, and pull the trigger. Easy eh? One gun is loaded, nine are not. What do you do? You only have to choose one, and you only get to choose one if you do. You either walk away with nothing, and your life, one million dollars richer, and your life, or you die now. What's your pick?

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

P.S. I have other ones to make you think, but right now, I want to see the reaction to this one. After a while, I will post other ones.Hell Geno, I'll take those odds. Hell I've taken worse. 50/50 chance, lose your sight or win 1 million$ (Drunk Driving Seminar Thing)

Whiteknight
05-10-2004, 12:10 AM
Is There an Escape Pod?
Hell Geno, I'll take those odds. Hell I've taken worse. 50/50 chance, lose your sight or win 1 million$ (Drunk Driving Seminar Thing)
You had the exact same lecture by that guy? We did too, except the odds were more in your favour. Two people were given dice, and someone else rolled them. If there were snake eyes or something, you would die/get your sight taken away. $20 dollars would be given if youo rolled anything else than snake eyes.

The two people sat through the lecture with the dice to think about it. They both decided not to let someone else roll the dice and didn't try for the $20 (they tried to actually think about it as if it could happen.) The thing is, one guy actually rolled snake eyes when he said to do it after, not for anything, just to see what would happen.

The point was to show that when you are getting in with a drunk driver, you are rolling the dice.

But I've digress. I've gotten a bit off topic.

Geno, for the guns, I would walk away with my life and not try. Life is more important than money, how can you enjoy money if you are dead? You get one shot at life, there is no use losing it over a bit of money.

RelinaIonna
05-10-2004, 12:50 AM
Weird eh? he did it with a coin. thats why 50% 50%, 1 mill was hypathetical, I got 20$ too. I wanted the mill. (Deformed Former Cop Right?)

ShawnManX
05-10-2004, 1:09 AM
Where was this dd seminar, I've never been.

I would transfer the remaining energy to weapons and jettison my friend for some last minute target preactice before I die. Or just fix the engine and get out of there.

How many millions of dallars? $10 mill and You've got $100,000.00 for the next 100 years, or 10 mill invested with 1% interest anually is $100,000.00 for life. 10 mill or more and I would.

Whiteknight
05-10-2004, 1:18 AM
Weird eh? he did it with a coin. thats why 50% 50%, 1 mill was hypathetical, I got 20$ too. I wanted the mill. (Deformed Former Cop Right?)
Wow, right on the nose. Same seminar.

I don't know why he didn't do it with you guys, Shawn, maybe he only did small towns, not all the schools in the big cities?

ShawnManX
05-10-2004, 2:59 AM
We had a kind of DD session in CALM with the school officer. But not one from outside.

Ole-The-Murder
05-10-2004, 3:21 PM
I whouldn't have trusted the person who whould risk my life and give me money for it, so I whouldn't have done it, it's perhaps just some sadistic fuck who SAID it was only one bullet but there where a full magazine, and some stupid fool thought the person had that money AND whould give it away....but they just wanted to see you die because of your foolishness. I say: NO! Because alot of money isn't necessarily happiness, heh, I have alot money already and choose a more secure way to get maybe not as much money but more experiences and less risk. It's not worth it! How can I trust the person anyways? It's just money, too much money to use on one person, BAH! No, no, no, Geno. Nevah! I will not succumb to greed.

RelinaIonna
05-11-2004, 12:07 PM
I whouldn't have trusted the person who whould risk my life and give me money for it, so I whouldn't have done it, it's perhaps just some sadistic fuck who SAID it was only one bullet but there where a full magazine, and some stupid fool thought the person had that money AND whould give it away....but they just wanted to see you die because of your foolishness. I say: NO! Because alot of money isn't necessarily happiness, heh, I have alot money already and choose a more secure way to get maybe not as much money but more experiences and less risk. It's not worth it! How can I trust the person anyways? It's just money, too much money to use on one person, BAH! No, no, no, Geno. Nevah! I will not succumb to greed.The guy was a cop involved in an accident in wahington years ago. The chance is symbolic of the gamble you take by drving drunk. The money is same as you surviving the drunk driving.
Well your right. Sort of. They thought the jews were bad but not inferior. The idea of them being inferior is when Hitler started preaching that the germans are the master race, the Aryans. And Hitler was not in power long enough for kids who were being tought jews are inferior to become adults yet. So that means the ss, the people who run the concentration camps would not have been raised up like that. They might have hated them but I don't think they tought they were inferior and all that stuff because many jews were germans too.Not from what I've learnt, the Jews were reduced to the statis of vermin in the Aryans' minds. Most people wouldn't think twice about killing a rat or a bug.

Ole-The-Murder
05-11-2004, 2:25 PM
If they treated jews as vermins, why did they allow them to live in the ghettos for so long UNTIL they razzia'ed them at the Long Knifes Night?

Whiteknight
05-11-2004, 4:51 PM
Well, I read a book on this, so here goes, I'll try to sum it up in 5 minutes before my doctors appointment.

Things began to degrade as soon as Hitler came into power. Things going wrong were angering people, and Hitler decided to blame the most prominent and wealthy society: the Jews. Nothing happened for a while, but then bad things started. Jews began to be separated from others, at first. Soon, teachers were teaching that Jews were inferior beings. This forced most Jews to go to a school for Jews only.

Eventually, Jews were forced to have a card that proclaimed they were Jews. They were also forced to wear the star of David and add Joseph and Sarah to their names.

Well, I have to go, I'll edit this later.

CODEZERO
05-11-2004, 5:05 PM
where my dilemma my new one is he gone or is he just ignoring us
O.o

RelinaIonna
05-11-2004, 7:09 PM
OK... WTF does the Night Of Long Knive have to do with what I was talking about? That was when they killed off the heads of the SS and such, and placed army official in their place so the German Military would swear allegience to ole' Adolf.

Battlecruiser
05-11-2004, 7:35 PM
The guy was a cop involved in an accident in wahington years ago. The chance is symbolic of the gamble you take by drving drunk. The money is same as you surviving the drunk driving.
Not from what I've learnt, the Jews were reduced to the statis of vermin in the Aryans' minds. Most people wouldn't think twice about killing a rat or a bug.
Well they were... once Hitler came into power. But before he did it was that bad. A jew wasn't hated to much. Well maybe some Germans and Austrians hated them as much as Hitler would teach them to but not most. Most just disliked or didn't care about them... not anything close to the amount of hatred Hitler told them to have.

Well, I read a book on this, so here goes, I'll try to sum it up in 5 minutes before my doctors appointment.

Things began to degrade as soon as Hitler came into power. Things going wrong were angering people, and Hitler decided to blame the most prominent and wealthy society: the Jews. Nothing happened for a while, but then bad things started. Jews began to be separated from others, at first. Soon, teachers were teaching that Jews were inferior beings. This forced most Jews to go to a school for Jews only.

Eventually, Jews were forced to have a card that proclaimed they were Jews. They were also forced to wear the star of David and add Joseph and Sarah to their names.
Exactly. It all started with Hitler. Without him and his charisma 5,860,000 jews wouldn't have died. He took hatred to a whole new level.

Battlecruiser
05-11-2004, 7:48 PM
If they treated jews as vermins, why did they allow them to live in the ghettos for so long
Simple. Hitler did not know what to do with the millions of jews held in his control. This problem was called the Jewish Question. It was solved in the Wannsee conference and this solution was called the Final Solution. The solution was to use Zyklon-B gas in form of pellets and drop them into the chambers. Zyklon-B is a pesticide and it kills people in 15 minutes. My social studies teacher went to the biggest concentration camp which was called Auchwitz-Birkenau. He got to see the chambers and one of the scary things he saw was a wooden door. This wooden door was the door to the gas chamber and on it he saw 100s of scratches. These scratches were from human nails. The prisoners who were being gassed were trying to escape in vain and they would scratch the door desperately trying to get out.

Oh man. I double posted.

Ole-The-Murder
05-12-2004, 12:13 PM
Then edited the first post, and place the second posts content there. Then delete the second. And oh, that's another thing: Why didn't they just kick the door out, if it was just a wooden door? Like desperate nailing a door helps, sound pretty much like vermins to me, yup! But not jews? Yes! Not that I think they are vermins, but it reduced them to the survival instinct of a rat when the flood comes, trying to scratch it's way trough obstacles to freedom. They'd be shot if they'd escaped, anyways. Heh. Living long enough to die by enemy hands, or slowly in 15 minutes? Your choiche. I'd choose the first.

RelinaIonna
05-12-2004, 12:18 PM
The Nazis didn't want Jews getting out, The door was probably hardwood, they were already physicly weakened from starvation and labour, then add the inhilation of the gas. Geeze man think.

Ole-The-Murder
05-13-2004, 10:55 AM
Okay, okay! No need to get all cocky at me, I understand now. Sheesh! Gimme a break, for starters. Ya don't hafta be maaad at me! Or sumthin'.