halo 3 speculation(reborn)

[haloaddict]

This thread is a continuation of the ancient thread of halo 3 speculation. post any halo 3 ideas and verified bungie info. feel free to post images:D


thread open!!!

[Ubergopher]

I personally hope this is the end of the Halo series and MC dies at the end. Doing something heroic of course.

Another thing I'd like to see on a slightly sarcastic note is all of the Halos detonating and wiping out all life in the galaxy because MC reaches the control room just a couple seconds to late.

[Spartan-II]

Yeah, I beleive that Master Cheif will die to save humanity. I also think Cortana is going to have a huge role in this, the trailer was a dead gie away.

The only confirmed information that we have on Halo 3 is the Earth, and the Covenant invasion.

[ZeroDarkStar]

Obviously the large object is the Ark, or something leading to it. Although it's pretty much assumed the Ark is/is on Earth, you never know. Perhaps that thing is just a portal to the Ark which is somewhere else.

Also this brings up the question - what did Regret find in New Mombassa that lead him to Delta Halo, and how did Truth know where the Ark was....?

[kongurous]

My assessment was the big object was a large-scale digging device. Meh.

The other questions I can't answer, cus I'd have to replay Halo 2 and I hate the Flood.

Seriously. Let them die, make them less of a waste of ammo, or something.

[ZeroDarkStar]

My assessment was the big object was a large-scale digging device. Meh.

It's obviously of Forerunner creation, not a Covenant digging device.

[IceFlare]

Makes you wonder why nobodies found it for so long o_O
bungie always puts in a major plot twist in halo
halo 1 = flood
halo 2 = aribter
halo 3 = ???

[xXWarborn]

Not trying to ruin THe End of Halo 3 but Mc Gets ripped in half, or so i read on the script.

[ZeroDarkStar]

Makes you wonder why nobodies found it for so long o_O
bungie always puts in a major plot twist in halo
halo 1 = flood
halo 2 = aribter
halo 3 = ???


My guess? Other spartans.

[kongurous]

Not trying to ruin THe End of Halo 3 but Mc Gets ripped in half, or so i read on the script.


Gullible isn't in the dictionary.

[Spartan-II]

Fucking fake ass leaked script.

Don't beleive everything you read on the internet. Also, if you didn't mean to spoil it, WHY THE FUCK DID YOU POST IT?

[Darmago]

This thread is a continuation of the ancient thread of halo 3 speculation. post any halo 3 ideas and verified bungie info. feel free to post images:D


thread open!!!


there won't be a halo three

[Spartan-II]

It's already been announced, fuckwit.

I have some vague ideas about Halo 3, but they're vague, and most likely wrong.

[Ubergopher]

I'm guessing the suprise will be some sort of forerunner. That or other Spartans.

Seriously. Let them die, make them less of a waste of ammo, or something.
How else would we have gotten ammo for human weapons in Covenant levels? 'cause after all the Covenant refuse to use 'em.

[Spartan-II]

MasterChief could've been given access to the ~ key in real life.

[kongurous]

It's obviously of Forerunner creation, not a Covenant digging device.

No, it's obvious it's under tight watch.

When I first saw the trailer, what hit me was, "The Covenant have cleared this area of Earth, decided the Ark was here, and started digging, and they don't want intruders". I've always been told to go with my gut instinct first... and if it does turn out I'm right, I will laugh at you.

Ignore this post if Bungie has explicitedly said otherwise.

[Spartan-II]

I'll look for an article about that now, kong.

[haloaddict]

to add my own post cortana gets zapped by gravemind dude:( and as many of u predicted i beleive that MC will die galliantly. also the arc is on madagacar or somthing like that so ive read what bungie guy posted somewhere. but thats leaving the arbiter out A LOT. perhaps the Spartan And The Arbiter fight side by side you no maby the flood teams with somthing (doubt it). but we know that this new game Will Be EPIC.

lets keep the ideas comin



oh and by the Where the heck have u been Darmago?!?!?!?!?! halo 3 is comin



How else would we have gotten ammo for human weapons in Covenant levels? 'cause after all the Covenant refuse to use 'em.

actually the brute scum in fact uses human shotguns theyre jealous:lame:

[Spartan-II]

It's because they fit their brutish nature.

Cortant does seem either rampant or tained by the Graveminds presence. Meh.

Hey Kong..


http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7308/lolark9gr.jpg

[haloaddict]

i heard a qoute from somthi cortana said and as predicted she sounds like a zombie just by her words....text not sound


Also! if u guys want halo 2 music i got it right here so just tell me!



by the way-----Its peanut butter jelly time!

by the way spartan what time u got? its pretty l8 here

wtf was that ark thing?

[kongurous]

It's because they fit their brutish nature.

Cortant does seem either rampant or tained by the Graveminds presence. Meh.

Hey Kong..


http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7308/lolark9gr.jpg

They may have faked that to show off to the fans while they develop a different plot.

[Spartan-II]

Okay, but just remember, that was from your own link.

Let's agree to disagree.

[haloaddict]

ok so is that city of "metropolis" new/old mabassa?


for some reason i missed all these names like "the ark" and that city:cry:


please note also i de-spammed this post

[Spartan-II]

Halo, that is known as spam. If you don't have relevant information to the topic at hand, please don't post.

Anyway - The Ark is pretty close to New/Old Mombasa, you can see the remainds of the space elevator in the background.

[haloaddict]

ok so is that city of "metropolis" new/old mambassa?


for some reason i missed all these names like "the ark" and that city

[Spartan-II]

Yeah, the levels from Outskirts to Metropolis.

[Sikawtic]

Did you know that Madden 2003 for the PS2 sold 4 times better than Halo?

[Spartan-II]

Did you know that we don't give a shit? We're discussing Halo here, and not how well it sold versus Madden. Get the fuck out if you have nothing to contribute.

[kongurous]

Did you know that Madden 2003 for the PS2 sold 4 times better than Halo?


Did you know you're a small, spamming bitch who has nothing to do with his life except post a completely useless, off-topic post without any sources whatsoever?

Yeah... so did I.

[haloaddict]

yeah we dont ive a **** about madden. you can always go and play a baseball game but can u be a blood thirsty cyborg?

anyway! when do u here the cities name

[Spartan-II]

Madden is football. MasterChief isn't a cyborg.

Anyway, Halo 2 sold more copies on day one than any other game in history. Madden didn't do that.

Also, there are many more PS2's in the United States than there are XBoxes. Sales figures show this.

[haloaddict]

i thought he was a cyborg since he is slightly integrated with electronics. whatever hes still bloodthirsty. and whenever you buy a xbox you are supporting a USA bussiness not true with a psp. if you buy a ps2 you not patriotic!

lets not let this becoma a flame war people!

i have a bit of info. apparently the gravemind hasaccess to the halo tele grid and it manadged to get to the holy city.

sorry guys gotta go for the night i hope this discussion still will thrive.


long live MC

[Ubergopher]

Mombossa doesn't exist anymore, it was destroyed when the Covenant fleet jumped to slipspace in the atomsphere. That city is about 50 different kinds of fucked up. I'm guessing thats part of the reason why that area is a wasteland that is seen in the teaser.

[Spartan-II]

That, and it's a desert.

Slipspace ruptures in a planets atmosphere != good.

[Jedi_Templar]

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Bungie threw in the Protoss and Zerg, just to fuck with our minds. :D

But on a serious note- anything could happen. How many people could have guessed at the role of the Arbiter in the 2nd game? I was genuinely shocked when I started that first Arbiter mission.

Hopefully, Halo 3 won't suck as much as the 2nd game did. Not saying Halo 2 sucked, but it should have been better. And longer.

[Spartan-II]

Halo 2 didn't suck in any way, but it was WAY overhyped.

Halo 3 will hopefully have a more fulfilling campaign, and improve on the already fucktastically awesome multiplayer.

[Jedi_Templar]

Halo 2 didn't suck in any way, but it was WAY overhyped.


Yeah, that's what I meant. Especially after that E3 2002 video they had. That was awesome.

But just for comparison- I bought Rome: Total War at the same time as Halo 2. Guess which game I've played more of ^_^

[Spartan-II]

The games belong to two different genres, comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges. (Cliché ftw.)

[Jedi_Templar]

The games belong to two different genres, comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges. (Cliché ftw.)

Yeah, I know. BUT, I did get Half-Life 2 for Xmas that year. Which one I played more :D

My point being, I was overwhelmed in the hype that Halo 2 created pre-launch. And yeah, it was a good game (not nearly as great as the first Halo), but it wasn't as awesome as I expected.

[xXWarborn]

Damn, lol i thought it was :(

[Spartan-II]

Nope.

You can't beleive everything you see on the internet. Hell, you can't beleive most of it..

[Jedi_Templar]

Nope.

You can't beleive everything you see on the internet. Hell, you can't beleive most of it..

Yeah, no shit.

Speaking of Halo 2; I just discovered (well, a few hours ago) that they finally released the Halo 2, 2nd Volume Soundtrack. Well, more like at the end of May, but that's kinda new. I was wondering when it would come out.

[haloaddict]

i got rome total war also and i agree with spartan 2 you just cant compare them...i have to admit though halo got a alot more use.

I think i have an idea why regret jumped inside the city.

1. hes a coward and wanted to get the heck outa there.
2. something was their that he didnt want found

where the heck do u hear that the city is named new mambassa??!!

[kongurous]

where the heck do u hear that the city is named new mambassa??!!

Bungie calls it New Mombasa, there are signs throughout the game calling it New Mombasa, in the multiplayer maps there are references to a New Mombasa.

I don't think it's explicitly stated, but if you pay attention, you catch a lot of the atmosphere and details that make the game seem a lot clearer.

[Spartan-II]

He jumped inside the atmosphere because the humans were retaking the city. He had no choice, run or die.

And yeah, what Kong said.

[ZeroDarkStar]

No, it's obvious it's under tight watch.

When I first saw the trailer, what hit me was, "The Covenant have cleared this area of Earth, decided the Ark was here, and started digging, and they don't want intruders". I've always been told to go with my gut instinct first... and if it does turn out I'm right, I will laugh at you.

Ignore this post if Bungie has explicitedly said otherwise.

Tell me how that even closely looks like ANY sort of Covenant structure ever shown. Covenant structures are generally purple, they don't have any sort of straight line (obviously this does, look at the giant fucking fins)...

Forerunner structures on the other hand, have mostly straight lines, are generally gray and blue, and have lots of little patterns running through it.

Come on dude, everything here screams forerunner.

He jumped inside the atmosphere because the humans were retaking the city. He had no choice, run or die.

And yeah, what Kong said.

I think it's because he simply found what he wanted (the location of Delta Halo), and doesn't give a flying fuck about human cities, so he just jumped because he wanted to get there. He wasn't concerned about puny humans, Regret isn't the smartest prophet and he obviously thinks humans are inferior and thus isn't scared/intimidated/concerned with them.

[kongurous]

Tell me how that even closely looks like ANY sort of Covenant structure ever shown. Covenant structures are generally purple, they don't have any sort of straight line (obviously this does, look at the giant fucking fins)...

Uh... hate to break it to ya, but High Charity had a lot of straights lines, and the structure was at such a distance, and had a big cyclone over it, it's hard to discern the color. It looks like a bluish-greyish-purple to me, but hell, Bungie said it was Forerunner. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Spartan-II]

The structure was obviously Forerunner. It's design and general appearance scream Forerunner.

ZDS: We don't know what he was looking for, but it's obvious he found something. His attempted activation of Delta Halo is evidence enough of this.

[Ubergopher]

hate to break it to ya, but High Charity had a lot of straights lines,
Uh correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't High Charity really a Forerunner ship?

Also I think another reason Regret jumped inside earth is he found what he needed and wanted to make sure that the humans didn't find it. However the Amber Clad jumped with him so it sorta ruined that plan.

I knew that. I was just tired.

[Spartan-II]

We don't actually know if High Charity is of Covenant or Forerunner in origin.

It's 'In Amber Clad' btw.

[Ubergopher]

Hmmm... I could have sworn somewhere in game Cortona said that HC was a Forerunner ship, eh thats what I get for not playin' through the game in some time.

[kongurous]

Hmmm... I could have sworn somewhere in game Cortona said that HC was a Forerunner ship, eh thats what I get for not playin' through the game in some time.

High Charity is a Covenant satellite powered by a Forerunner ship.

[Spartan-II]

Indeed. I'm not totally sure if the Covenant crafted all of High Charity, but I wouldn't doubt it.

[Dusty]

Anyone notice that MC is holding the old Assult rifle in the trailer? Also i think the humans are decedents of the Forerunners. It all fits totally. Here is my theroy:

In the past there was a war where the flood were fighting the forerunners and the latter were on the verge of defeat. Left with no choice they detnated the halos. Now is just me or is it kinda counter productive killing all sientient life? I mean you kill the flood but then what? So i think they had a plan. They found earth and set up all these shelters and stuff to protect themselves and "fire in the hole". So they live and evreything else dies! Earth is the Ark the halos are the flood see the conection? Well anyway as time goes on the forerunners are pretty much killed by a major calmity (think about what happened to dinosaurs). Those left had to live a stone age life ans soon forgot about the flood. But soon they began to evolve agian and become humans! So humans are forerunner decsendents. Now the prohets are supposedly holy priest in search of the forerunners. However if they find them they are supposed to step down and let them rule. But they like power... why not declare the humans enemys and kill them to keep there power... however as the war comes to a stal the prophets are afarid they lose.... so they see there only allternative is to activate the halos but they mis inturprett something and think it only kills humans! They just keep up this divine wind stuff to keep all the races in line it doesn't work and the result is the end of Halo 2...

[Jedi_Templar]

Also i think the humans are decedents of the Forerunners. It all fits totally. Here is my theroy:


Or how about this-

The Forerunner create the Ark on Earth in prehistoric times in order to protect themselves when they activate Halo. They, and all life on Earth, are saved, and everything else dies.

The Forerunner then mix their DNA, via genetic engineering, with hominids on Earth to create humanity. For what reason, who knows (this is actually part of UFO mythology, that aliens came to Earth and "jump-started" civilization).

Now, the thing is, if Earth is the Ark, and everything that wasn't in the Ark died when Halo was activated, how did the Covenant species (or their ancestors) survive the activation?

[Spartan-II]

The Halo's only kill creatures with sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood. Their ancestors must not have had sufficient biomass.

[kongurous]

Well, remember 343 Guilty Spark said the Forerunner activated the Halos, and all life within 3 radii of the galactic center was extinguished. Earth is by no means anywhere near the galactic center; our ancestry may have nothing to do with the Forerunner at all.

[ZeroDarkStar]

Well, remember 343 Guilty Spark said the Forerunner activated the Halos, and all life within 3 radii of the galactic center was extinguished. Earth is by no means anywhere near the galactic center; our ancestry may have nothing to do with the Forerunner at all.

um think about what you said....if earth is in the same galaxy as the halos, and the halos detonated, they would kill everything within 1 diameter + 1 radii of the center, thus everything in the galaxy plus a little bit around it. So earth is affected, and all the Covenant homeworlds (mostly likely there are 4 or 5 given the amount of races in the conglomorate) probably are too, since they seem to be predominately concerned with planets in this galaxy.

[haloaddict]

true earth isnt near the galactic center but we dont know how big 3 radiia are. and evolution could have started all over again what made the forrunners probolly mad humans. and any calamity no matter how big wouldnt wipe your mind of being a superb engineering race. in my opinion of course. and i do beleive high charity was forged by covies. and i think that the temple that regret was hiding in was for the reclaimer, the one who activates halo.

[ZeroDarkStar]

true earth isnt near the galactic center but we dont know how big 3 radiia are.

...did I not just explain that if Earth is in the same galaxy (which it is) as as the Halos, then it is affected? It's simple common sense here. :confused:

[Stealth_Prawn]

Well here's MY theory-

The Forrunner created the Flood to protect themselves from their enemies. When they engineered them, there where only the parasite form, so they figured "Meh, we don't need giant robots or anything. Let's just build tiny ones to guard the Flood."

So they engineered the flood and defeated all of their enemies. Then one day, they decided "We have no enemies, let's get rid of these buggers!" But they couldn't. So they locked them away on the Installations, with Sentinals and Moniters to guard them. They set the defence mechanisms which would destroy life as we know it. They set the Ark on a planet far from any installations and went about their lives as usual.

One day, however, a small fleet of covanent warriors wandered into Forunner space from another galexy. They defeated the Forunner easily and searched their planets and space stations. However, some Forunners escape to Earth, hide on the Ark, and wait for the best. Upon finding an installation, the Covanent activated, destroying nearly everything in existance. The Forunners survive, but barely. So they put some of their DNA into some bacterial sludge, and died out.

Year 200 billion B.C. on Earth rolls around, and the first proto-humans emerge from the primortial ooze. Civilization builds to what we have in the year 2500 (isn't that when Halo takes place?) and the Covanent fleet once again wonders into the Milky Way, in search of their lost technology.

They see the Humans and think "Holy shit, these Forunner guys don't know when to give up!!" and begin their holy war upon us.

[kongurous]

Um... the Covenant worship the Forerunner, why do you think they call 343 Guilty Spark the Oracle, or call the Halos "sacred ring"? Its far more likely the Prophets found Forerunner technology and when the Prophets and Elites joined together, formed a religion around it.

Btw, the Covenant technology is imitative, not innovative, and their technology is Forerunner. Why else wouldn't they know how to recharge their own weapons?

[Nuts]

Earth = Ark

That was my understanding from the game.

[Spartan-II]

I don't think it was the entire Earth, but you have the gist of it. We'll see when the game comes out, I suppose.

Kong: They CAN recharge them, the humans just haven't figured out how.

[kongurous]

Kong: They CAN recharge them, the humans just haven't figured out how.


That's bullshit. Replay the parts in Halo 2 where you're the Arbiter. Hell, even when you're on High Charity, a veritable fortress, there aren't any recharge nodes or anything. As far as we know, the Covenant don't even know how to recharge their owns weapons. You also get this impression from the special edition manual.

[Spartan-II]

From what I read in the manuals, it said they could be recharged. Also, in the books it describes how the MasterCheif was glad a Grunt kept his Plasma Pistol at a high charge.

I don't think the Covenant are stupid enough to make their weapons so disposable..

[haloaddict]

what confuses me is theres only the ark on earth(as as far as we know) why whouldnt they put fortresses and stuff dotting the planet. if i were the forunners id guard that place with my life. oh well

[IceFlare]

If you were the forerunner, would you anticipate another race living on one of your planets that you colonized, think not?
Humans came way after and coincidentally on the world with the ark.

[Battlecruiser]

From what I read in the manuals, it said they could be recharged. Also, in the books it describes how the MasterCheif was glad a Grunt kept his Plasma Pistol at a high charge.

I don't think the Covenant are stupid enough to make their weapons so disposable..
Here's what the manual says-

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8063/covenantweaponry8fc.jpg

[kongurous]

Halo 2 limited collector's edition manual, page 10, says pretty much the same thing. And the limited collector's edition was "written" by the Arbiter, or at least from his perspective.

[Spartan-II]

Battlecruiser: Thanks, I looked it up in my Halo manual and realized I had no way to get it on the computer. I'm also lazy.

Kong: It seems the information is conflicting. Can you get a picture/link to it?

[kongurous]

Kong: It seems the information is conflicting. Can you get a picture/link to it?


How the hell is it conflicting? Both the Covenant and Humans can't seem to know how to reload the plasma weapons. I can't find any pictures of the manual, but I'm shopping around for digital cameras now.

[ZeroDarkStar]

http://up.kupatrix.org/p/66/halomanual.jpg?no_history


OwNeD....but not really. ;)

[Spartan-II]

Ow, my pride.

Stupid Covenant bastards with their disposable weapons.

[Dusty]

rofl. But since the Covenant are dependant of Forerunner Technology they find the humans have the upper hand in the long run. i mean they just keep useing plasma and stuff while wwe develpoe new more powerful weapons. Thats proably another reason why they want to kill the humans. If left unchecked we could be a threat to there empire.

[kongurous]

rofl. But since the Covenant are dependant of Forerunner Technology they find the humans have the upper hand in the long run. i mean they just keep useing plasma and stuff while wwe develpoe new more powerful weapons. Thats proably another reason why they want to kill the humans. If left unchecked we could be a threat to there empire.

You do realize plasma melts through armor like a hot knife through liquid butter, right? We're talking a substance as hot as lightning. It will melt nearly everything; plasma is superior to our weaponry, and we've been losing the war since it started. The only reason humanity still exists is our worlds are so widespread.

[Dusty]

Yes.... But if we hold them off long enough don't you think we could come up with a way to stop them? Thats there weakness there technology doesn't adapt like ares does. Plus look at the spartens. Useing Covenant technology we created that suit. But we didn't just use there tech we made it better! In the long run if Earth survives I think the human race has better odds. The only reason we lost so much ground is becuase we were un prepared and didn't know what we were up against. But now we have even better chances becuase the covenant have lost lots of ships includeing High Charity. they also now have a civil war on there hands and we may now have a new ally. The elites.

[kongurous]

Yes.... But if we hold them off long enough don't you think we could come up with a way to stop them? Thats there weakness there technology doesn't adapt like ares does. Plus look at the spartens. Useing Covenant technology we created that suit. But we didn't just use there tech we made it better! In the long run if Earth survives I think the human race has better odds. The only reason we lost so much ground is becuase we were un prepared and didn't know what we were up against. But now we have even better chances becuase the covenant have lost lots of ships includeing High Charity. they also now have a civil war on there hands and we may now have a new ally. The elites.

You forget: in Halo 3, Earth is conquered. We lost the war. We'd been losing for 27 years. The Covenant don't need to hit us on the ground to beat us, just destroy our space defences, which they do with relative ease. It doesn't matter that the Covenant lost High Charity or hundreds of ships, one Covenant cruiser can take just about anything humanity can throw at it - with interest.

Humanity does good enough on the ground. In space... well, we don't have Spartans in enough numbers to adversely affect the course of fleet engagements.

[Dusty]

What makes you say earth was conquered? it could be like halo 2 where they land on the ground only to get surrounded. Not to mention the fact that half the covenant has now left....

[kongurous]

What makes you say earth was conquered? it could be like halo 2 where they land on the ground only to get surrounded. Not to mention the fact that half the covenant has now left....

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/news.html?sid=6149725

Scroll down until you see the following:

Bungie, the internal Microsoft studio that created Halo, also released the trailer onto the Internet, and a high definition version was put up on Xbox Live Marketplace, the online service available to Xbox 360 owners. To quote the accompanying text found on Xbox Live, Halo 3 is about Earth under Covenant rule: "With its defensive forces, all but obliterated, Earth has fallen to the unstoppable might of the Covenant. These alien occupiers have discovered something beneath the ancient African sands--something incredible ... something Forerunner." The Forerunners are an extinct alien race that built the huge artificial ringworlds called Halos, and the Halo games have focused on the mystery surrounding these strange objects.

I have bolded the part that supports my claim.

Half of the Covenant did not leave, Elites, Hunters, and Grunts did. Prophets, Brutes, Drones, and Jackals remained. No-one knows exactly what happened to the splinter group yet, except Bungie.

[Jedi_Templar]

Half of the Covenant did not leave, Elites, Hunters, and Grunts did. Prophets, Brutes, Drones, and Jackals remained. No-one knows exactly what happened to the splinter group yet, except Bungie.

My guess would be that the Elites and Hunters (I'm guessing Grunts are just following whichever group is closest) are going to help the humans in trying to prevent the Prophets and Brutes from activating Halo. That would definitly tip the balance of power.

[kongurous]

My guess would be that the Elites and Hunters (I'm guessing Grunts are just following whichever group is closest) are going to help the humans in trying to prevent the Prophets and Brutes from activating Halo. That would definitly tip the balance of power.


The Covenant already control the Ark, and Master Chief's got a looong drop. Have fun getting into the crater, I say.

[Dusty]

Sorry I didn't see that only the Trailer. Did anyone else notice that Master Chief was holding the Halo CE assult rifle?

[kongurous]

Sorry I didn't see that only the Trailer. Did anyone else notice that Master Chief was holding the Halo CE assult rifle?

Bungie addressed that, and I quote, "Who says it's the standard Assault Rifle? Doesn't look identical to me…"

[Dusty]

I really got to keep on top of stuff. >.< But it does to me for some odd reason.

[kongurous]

I really got to keep on top of stuff. >.< But it does to me for some odd reason.

Well, humanity doesn't abandon one of its weapons after just two weeks, and since the Covies conquered us, we can't have made many innovations.

[Spartan-II]

It has a longer barrel and a cut down muzzle shroud. It's not the same AR from Halo, the MC might have modified it himself to suit his needs..

[Rayne]

Lo' And Behold My Companions!

I've got the Halo 3 plot outline. Its about 200 pages on Microsoft Word. I havent finished reading it yet, but as far as I am, the plot is nothing short of spectacular. It seems the game is going to shape up to be one fucking hell of a ride. I can't wait.


1] If you'd like the file contact me via msn or email at lt.pliskin@hotmail.com

2] If you dont have the time / energy to do the above, I could always post some spoilers. Or I could effectively copy and paste the entire document

Your choice. Let me know what you guys think.

[kongurous]

Lo' And Behold My Companions!

I've got the Halo 3 plot outline. Its about 200 pages on Microsoft Word. I havent finished reading it yet, but as far as I am, the plot is nothing short of spectacular. It seems the game is going to shape up to be one fucking hell of a ride. I can't wait.


1] If you'd like the file contact me via msn or email at lt.pliskin@hotmail.com

2] If you dont have the time / energy to do the above, I could always post some spoilers. Or I could effectively copy and paste the entire document

Your choice. Let me know what you guys think.




For the love of god, it is fake.

[Dusty]

Its most likly fake and I hate spoilers. LET ME ENJOY THE GAME DARN'T!!!!

[Ubergopher]

Rayne, it is as fake as Eon8.

[Rayne]

Dude. I got it from a reliable source :P Ofcourse that means nothing to you, since you guys don't know the guy, but as far as I'm concerned what I have read seems extremely probable. The fact that I was given the plot outline before the trailer (and thus any and all confirmed facts in regards to Halo 3 i.e. Covenant held Earth etc) was released and the fact that it is in sync with all the facts which Bungie and Microsoft executives have revealed leads me to beleive that the file I was given, in part, is genuine.

Beleive what you want. And so will I. I'll be there to tell you all 'I told you so' once my plot outline stands true :cool:

[kongurous]

Dude. I got it from a reliable source :P Ofcourse that means nothing to you, since you guys don't know the guy, but as far as I'm concerned what I have read seems extremely probable. The fact that I was given the plot outline before the trailer (and thus any and all confirmed facts in regards to Halo 3 i.e. Covenant held Earth etc) was released and the fact that it is in sync with all the facts which Bungie and Microsoft executives have revealed leads me to beleive that the file I was given, in part, is genuine.

Beleive what you want. And so will I. I'll be there to tell you all 'I told you so' once my plot outline stands true :cool:


Fuck "reliable" sources. "Leaked" scripts and plot outlines (btw, a plot outline wouldn't be 200 pages) pop up every time a high-profile game is scheduled to be released. Tell me, how do you leak a plot outline? Do you honestly the developers are stupid enough to leave important plot details on their computers? Use a little common sense before believing everything you see.

[Rayne]

Fuck "reliable" sources. "Leaked" scripts and plot outlines (btw, a plot outline wouldn't be 200 pages) pop up every time a high-profile game is scheduled to be released. Tell me, how do you leak a plot outline? Do you honestly the developers are stupid enough to leave important plot details on their computers? Use a little common sense before believing everything you see.
Whoa. Hostile much? I beleive that the plot outline in part reveals a portion of information which may appear in some form the game. I may have not said it in so many words, but hopefully you got the larger picture. Theres no reason to get angry. Calm my friend. Calm....

[kongurous]

Whoa. Hostile much? I beleive that the plot outline in part reveals a portion of information which may appear in some form the game. I may have not said it in so many words, but hopefully you got the larger picture. Theres no reason to get angry. Calm my friend. Calm....

You should have known saying such bullshit would anger a few people; and I'm not angry.

[Battlecruiser]

Would this be the script you're talking about? http://www.joystiq.com/2005/10/04/halo-3-script-surfaces-along-with-multiplayer-details/

If that is the one, it's fake. If not, then I'd like to see it.

[Spartan-II]

Hah, it's obviously fake. Saome Halo fanbot with a little too much time got bored one night and decided to release a script.

I'm not reading it because I don't have the time, or the inclination. And if by some fluke it IS the real script, i'm not going to have it ruined for me.

[Rayne]

You should have known saying such bullshit would anger a few people; and I'm not angry.

It angers you, and yet you are not angry. Catch 22? I think so. If you would like to continue, PM. kk thnx bai

If that is the one, it's fake. If not, then I'd like to see it.

Nope. Ive looked over it and its not that one. Its not 118 pages, its around the area of 260 pages long. You are more than welcome to see the file, like I said email me, the adress is above. Whether or not you agree with the supposed legitimacy of the script is none of my concern, just so long as a fellow WB member can see it is good enough for me.

[kongurous]

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It angers you, and yet you are not angry. Catch 22? I think so. If you would like to continue, PM. kk thnx bai

I never said it angered me, now did I? Don't put words in my mouth.

[Ubergopher]

Beleive what you want. And so will I. I'll be there to tell you all 'I told you so' once my plot outline stands true
and I'll be there laughing my ass off at you when it isn't.

[Rayne]

I never said it angered me, now did I? Don't put words in my mouth.

Dude. I'm sorry for offending you. I love you ^.^


and I'll be there laughing my ass off at you when it isn't

Is that a challenge I hear? :P

[haloaddict]

i have another example of humans being related to forerunners.....

1. the oracle recognises many humans as reclaimers yet refers to the covies as "other species"


the orale is completely and utterly mentally insanse so he could be confused. (wtf is up with that laughter and annoying humming?)

sry if someone else posted this.

oh and i was searching wikepedia and it sais that the ark is under new/old mombassa (whats left of it) meaning that regret new about it and that the prophets could have known about the ark all along, due to what truth said; "your HASTE has jepperdized our grand design" meaning that the invasion of earth was predetermined. :banana:

[B.A.Baracus]

I think it will have guns. And maybe a vehicle that drives.

[kongurous]

How does someone being called a Reclaimer relate them to the Forerunner? Perhaps 343 Guilty Spark just doesn't like the Covenant.

[haloaddict]

a reclaimer is most likely a forerunner! would u trust a diffrent species to recover a greatly holy artifact that can activate a big ass ring that can wipe out all life as we know it?!?!?!?!

:banana: didnt thinks so. :banana:

oh and spartan 2 spartan is a cyborg

(from wikipedia.org)
In Halo, the player assumes the role of Master Chief, a human cyborg

[kongurous]

a reclaimer is most likely a forerunner! would u trust a diffrent species to recover a greatly holy artifact that can activate a big ass ring that can wipe out all life as we know it?!?!?!?!

:banana: didnt thinks so. :banana:

Two things.

1) I fucking hate that smiley.

2) 343 Guilty Spark wasn't programmed to trust anyone, it was programmed to maintain Halo Installation 04 and if something matching the correct description of what a Reclaimer looks like comes along, and the Flood has been released, it is programmed to activate the Halos. 343 Guilty Spark could have done it himself; the question is, why didn't he?


(from wikipedia.org)
In Halo, the player assumes the role of Master Chief, a human cyborg

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyborg

"A human who has certain physiological processes aided or controlled by mechanical or electronic devices."

Master Chief's augmentations were biological, not mechanical, in nature, thus he is not a cyborg.

[haloaddict]

my you know big words.

anyway his movement is in fact aided by motors and those motors move in accordance with his thughts which are channeled by implanted electronics in his brain. i beleive movement is physiological.

and i beleive that the oracle did trust MC enough for him to retreive the index, otherwise oracle would just sick his sentinels on MC in the beginning. why would spark call miranda keyes a reclaimer and not tartarous?

by mere coincidence would the humans look like the forrunners??? i think not

and just for you kong! :banana: :banana: :banana:

[B.A.Baracus]

Did any of you stop to consider my genius idea?! I think Halo3 will have guns! Projectile guns. And vehicles, vehicles that can move!

[haloaddict]

amazing idea!

[kongurous]

anyway his movement is in fact aided by motors and those motors move in accordance with his thughts which are channeled by implanted electronics in his brain. i beleive movement is physiological.

Wrong. Your brain naturally produces electricity, that is how it communicates with your nerves. The suit is locked into a port connected to his spine, and it interprets the electric pulses for movement and moves the suit.

and i beleive that the oracle did trust MC enough for him to retreive the index, otherwise oracle would just sick his sentinels on MC in the beginning. why would spark call miranda keyes a reclaimer and not tartarous?

Machines cannot trust. Again, I pose you this question: if he can activate the Halos himself, why is 343 Guilty Spark going after humanity to do it? He's a machine; he cannot comprehend the notion of honor or emotion.

by mere coincidence would the humans look like the forrunners??? i think not

To someone with the predisposition humans were Forerunner, no, it wouldn't be mere coincidence.

Let me pose you this question: a rabbit looks nothing like a mouse or rat, yet it is a rodent. Likewise, a panda looks like a bear but is more related to raccoons. Perhaps you can explain this? Looks are not everything; they are deceiving.

[haloaddict]

pandas do look like raccoons.........with the white and black anyway. rabbits do look like mice with large ears hunchy back and beady eyes. it isnt even proven that the oracle can activate halo without the index cortana just thinks that. also the oracle really gets pissed that cortana is in the core also the oracle can laugh! he laughs when he calls himself a geneius and whenever he likes. and cortana has emotion, all that is diffrent between cortana and the oracle is that the oracle has an actuall physical avatar. and what do you mean with the rabbit mouse shit? are you saying that the humans are forerunners but have physically mutated?!

furthermore the oracle states why refuse what you have allready done? meaning the same bio thing has activated halo before.

[kongurous]

pandas do look like raccoons.........with the white and black anyway. rabbits do look like mice with large ears hunchy back and beady eyes. it isnt even proven that the oracle can activate halo without the index

He tells Cortana to give him the Index and tells the Sentinels to kill Master Chief. He doesn't need humanity to activate the Halos, he can do it himself. Stop avoiding my question; if he can do it himself, why doesn't he?

also the oracle really gets pissed that cortana is in the core also the oracle can laugh! he laughs when he calls himself a geneius and whenever he likes. and cortana has emotion, all that is diffrent between cortana and the oracle is that the oracle has an actuall physical avatar.

I can laugh without emotional attachment as well. 343 was programmed to find a race similar to whoever the Reclaimers are supposed to be, then listen to their speech and mannerisms and learn from there. He may not have been programmed to know humanity, just listened to us long enough to know what we consider friendly.

and what do you mean with the rabbit mouse shit? are you saying that the humans are forerunners but have physically mutated?!


I'm saying LOOKS DO NOT DECIDE WHO IS WHAT, YOU FUCKING DUMBASS.

[haloaddict]

who the hell are you to decide how the forerunners programmed 343? god you think you know everything!

[kongurous]

no need to get snappy. and who the hell are you to decide how the forerunners programmed 343? god you think you know everything!

How do I know how the Forerunner programmed 343? I listened. I inferred. I read the books. It is obvious you are convinced the Forerunner are human, however there is no direct evidence to suggest this. You're going on leads and circumstantial evidence; these are not strong supports for your point. If you wish to argue a point, find reliable evidence that isn't mere speculation and conspiracy. Now stop avoiding my question and answer it, unless you do not know the answer, thus undermining your point entirely.

[B.A.Baracus]

pandas do look like raccoons.........with the white and black anyway. rabbits do look like mice with large ears hunchy back and beady eyes. it isnt even proven that the oracle can activate halo without the index cortana just thinks that. also the oracle really gets pissed that cortana is in the core also the oracle can laugh! he laughs when he calls himself a geneius and whenever he likes. and cortana has emotion, all that is diffrent between cortana and the oracle is that the oracle has an actuall physical avatar. and what do you mean with the rabbit mouse shit? are you saying that the humans are forerunners but have physically mutated?!

furthermore the oracle states why refuse what you have allready done? meaning the same bio thing has activated halo before.

Ok, I think its time for me to jump into this.
Your wrong for one reason, and one reason only. It just doesn't make sense.
Ok, picture chewbaca, a 6 foot tall wookie living on planet Endor, with a bunch of 3 foot ewoks, it just doest make sense. Why would a big harry wookie, who is an accomplished pilot want to live with a bunch of primitive tribal Ewoks, really it just doesn't make sense. Hes a wookei, they are Ewoks, he lives on endor, it just does'nt make sense.
I'm talking about chewbaka in a halo argument, does that make sense ladies and gentlemen, no it doesn't, it does not make sense.
So if a 6 foot tall wookie living on endor doesn't make sense, does your point, no of course it doesn't make sense, it does not make sense, nothing does.

I rest my case.

[haloaddict]

damnit you just said inferred! as i am doing and plz tell me where any crap says 343 was programmed to find a similar thing to what the hell the friggin forerunners "talked like"!

chewbacca doesnt live on endor he went there to beet the crap out of some imps. he mostly lives on the falcon.

[SHISHKABOB]

Haloaddict, look. The Forerunners are not human. We may be some sort of species that evolved from some leftover forerunner ecology but we are not exact replicas of the Forerunners. I think that since 343 calls the humans 'reclaimers' and not forerunners that he knows that we are not forerunners.

You completely missed the point of BAB's post, although I did as well.

[kongurous]

damnit you just said inferred! as i am doing and plz tell me where any crap says 343 was programmed to find a similar thing to what the hell the friggin forerunners "talked like"!

This honestly doesn't make sense. If you infer, you make an educated guess with a well-supported base of facts. You are speculating, the evil twin of inferrence. After that, I have no idea what you said.

Btw... 343 likely knew where the Pillar of Autumn was, and where it would crash, the moment it entered Halo's sensor range. He probably sought out the ship, waited til it was abandoned (if it wasn't already), and just skimmed our computer files or at least enough to know our language.

[haloaddict]

..................................he wasnt there before it cashed thats just common since not a guess
while autumn was getting owned and falling out of the sky the oracle was likely humming or something. allright lets get off this topic and see what halo 3 reveals.


i as the owner of this post close the sub topic of humans being forerunners.

omg kong your so owned on the cyborg thing in the manual and i qoute; "existing spartan II soldiers are recalled to reach for FURTHER augmentation" meaning they were allready enhanced meaning that spartan is a damn cyborg! owned! :banana:

[SHISHKABOB]

Who said he wasn't?

[B.A.Baracus]

omg kong your so owned on the cyborg thing in the manual and i qoute; "existing spartan II soldiers are recalled to reach for FURTHER augmentation" meaning they were allready enhanced meaning that spartan is a damn cyborg! owned! :banana:

Just stop, the chewbacca defense has been used, and it can not be refuted. Just let it go.

[kongurous]

omg kong your so owned on the cyborg thing in the manual and i qoute; "existing spartan II soldiers are recalled to reach for FURTHER augmentation" meaning they were allready enhanced meaning that spartan is a damn cyborg! owned! :banana:


How does that own me, exactly? I do believe I said he was augmented, just biologically. Read Fall of Reach.

[Ubergopher]

Borg= Cyborgs
Kick ass guy in a suit= MC, not a cyborg.

[haloaddict]

ZOMG YOU FOOLS! in the freaking start in the manual it even says spartan II is a cyborg super soldiers ill even qoute it


(halo manual page 2 "the story so far" fifth paragraph, first sentence; "On Reach, a secret military project to create cyborg super-soldiers takes on newfound importance." my god its in the manual! i rest my case:banana:

[kongurous]

ZOMG YOU FOOLS! in the freaking start in the manual it even says spartan II is a cyborg super soldiers ill even qoute it


(halo manual page 2 "the story so far" fifth paragraph, first sentence; "On Reach, a secret military project to create cyborg super-soldiers takes on newfound importance." my god its in the manual! i rest my case:banana:

Cyborg is ambiguous. Screw what the manual says, by the strictest definitions, and by what we see from Fall of Reach, Master Chief is simply highly augmented.

the Space Marines from Warhammer 40k are more cyborg than Master Chief.

[haloaddict]

the manual was written by bungie. i think they would determine what is and isnt cyborg rather than you.
do not question the manual.

[kongurous]

the manual was written by bungie. i think they would determine what is and isnt cyborg rather than you.
do not question the manual.

On the same coin, I could say Bungie has said nothing to substantiate humans being Forerunner and I think they would determine what is, and what isn't, a Forerunner rather than you.

Bungie did not write the definition for cyborg. It is their game, however not their word.

[haloaddict]

it is there spartan to classifie as a cyborg or whatever. so i would leave that to them.

[Ubergopher]

it is there spartan to classifie as a cyborg or whatever. so i would leave that to them.
Uhhh... Maybe its 'cause I'm tirec but that made NO sense to me what so ever.

[haloaddict]

its because you are "tirec" lol

[kongurous]

it is there spartan to classifie as a cyborg or whatever. so i would leave that to them.

I never denied Bungie the right, nor did I deny he was a cyborg. Btw... you don't fuck with kong, I will find a way to get you back. To this end... I INITIATE THE BANANA ATTACK!

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[Battlecruiser]

Wow, let me settle your debate. MASTER CHIEF IS A CYBORG. He has been augmented biologically, but he is also aided mechanically (Mjolnir Mark V/VI).

Here are some definitions courtesy of Webster.com;
Cyborg- a bionic human. Etymology: cybernetic + organism

Bionic- having normal biological capability or performance enhanced by or as if by electronic or electromechanical devices.

And this is a paragraph from Wikipedia- "The Master Chief is a SPARTAN-II Super Soldier, a genetically and cybernetically augmented warrior designed to put down rebels and insurgents within the United Nations Space Command. Extensive surgical alteration coupled with a ruthless lifelong training regimen has resulted in Master Chief being significantly stronger than even the strongest natural human, and his strength and fighting ability are further augmented by the advanced MJOLNIR power armor he wears."

Ok, so now lets focus the discussion on something else. Thank you.

[haloaddict]

THANK YOU! oh and by the way

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[Dusty]

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[kongurous]

An implant does not make you a cyborg. A mechanical arm or some other machine-assisted function does.

[Spartan-II]

The Master Cheif is a cyborg by the dictionary definition, and Bungie's standards. He's a cyborg, give it up.

[B.A.Baracus]

Meh, just let it go kong. If bungie wants to say a man in armor is cyborg let them, its their universe.

[Spartan-II]

Meh, just let it go kong. If bungie wants to say a man in armor is cyborg let them, its their universe.

Except for all the augmentations that ARE NOT FROM THE ARMOR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan-II

Look at all the augmentations that are not from his armor. That technically makes him a Cyborg. You lose sir, good day.

[B.A.Baracus]

Except for all the augmentations that ARE NOT FROM THE ARMOR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan-II

Look at all the augmentations that are not from his armor. That technically makes him a Cyborg. You lose sir, good day.

Meh, I wont argue with you, for obvious reasons. But mainly because I don't really give a shit. :concern:

[IceFlare]

If you dont give a shit, why are you posting =\

[B.A.Baracus]

If you dont give a shit, why are you posting =\

I felt he deserved an answer.

[_PAC_MAN_]

ya i just agree with spartain 2.... he just wanted to get the hell out of there ... and wanted to kill a shit load of people with him, genius plan. u can be a coward and kill people at the same time

[haloaddict]

thanks guys for the spirited discussion but lets get off this cyborg topic and more of future updates. also if anyone knows how to get the gravity rifle into halo pc id appreciate it a lot

[Battlecruiser]

Nope. Ive looked over it and its not that one. Its not 118 pages, its around the area of 260 pages long. You are more than welcome to see the file, like I said email me, the adress is above. Whether or not you agree with the supposed legitimacy of the script is none of my concern, just so long as a fellow WB member can see it is good enough for me.
Ok, Rayne, I have emailed you.

[Ubergopher]

Ok, Rayne, I have emailed you.
Uh, this just begs the question, why would you tell us if you emailed Rayne, I mean in you emailed him wouldn't he know?

[Spartan-II]

Some people check their email rarely, like me.

I think Cortana is going to play a huge role in Halo 3. She's seems to be either infested by Gravemind, rampant, or has a shitty connection.

[kongurous]

Some people check their email rarely, like me.

I think Cortana is going to play a huge role in Halo 3. She's seems to be either infested by Gravemind, rampant, or has a shitty connection.

Probably has a shitty connection :P

[Battlecruiser]

Uh, this just begs the question, why would you tell us if you emailed Rayne, I mean in you emailed him wouldn't he know?
Because I emailed him two days ago and he still hasn't responded. But thanks for questioning me.

Some people check their email rarely, like me.
Exactly.

[Jedi_Templar]

Who cares if Master Chief is a cyborg or not? He still kicks ass.

[haloaddict]

indeed i was correct! cortana is seriously messed up as depicted in this photo on wikipedia.....



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:H3_e32006_storyboard02_cortana.jpg



clearly this is cortana (as stated on wikipedia) and somethin is really wrong with her. i have a bit of info on her...... cortana was not constructed on a computer from scratch but rath tranfered from a scientists brain. she was computerized to help the spartans capture the covie leaders and negotiate a truce. but that didnt happen and now is used for ship operation.

and info of rampacy is posted on wikipedia and it is very intresting, everyone should read it.

[kongurous]

Wikipedia is not be-all, end-all of information. Just FYI.

[Spartan-II]

Dr. Catherin Halseys brain was flash cloned 26 times until one actually survived the process. They then used that brain to design Cortana. We've read the books, we know. I also know about rampancy, and that doesn't look like rampancy. That looks like pain.

We'll have to wait and see until Halo 3, I guess.

Kong: We know, it's just more convenient than looking though a 300 page novel.

[haloaddict]

spartan i didnt say that looked like rampancy lol i was just mentioning it. also not all people (including me have read the books or even know about rampancy so im helping the less-informed. and spartan i completely agree with rour statement, that was pain or just maby rage, dunno.

[Spartan-II]

I know, I was just flaunting my knowledge and fanboyishness. :P

We'll have to wait until Halo 3 comes out for a definitive answer, but I beleive it's pain or rage.

If you want to read them, check out your local book store. I got all three books and a nifty cardboard binding thing for about 20 USD.

[Dusty]

I personnally prefer first strike and fall of reach. We already know what happens in The Flood so why do we need to read it?

[Ubergopher]

'case it talks about some stuff that wasn't in the game and introduces other characters.

[Dusty]

Well yeah but none of it is really needed to understand the story of the 2 games.... and the books

[Spartan-II]

It expanded upon Halo's plot and explained some of the more mysterious things in Halo.

I read an article in this months official XBox Magazine. The Modified AR is definitely in Halo 3. The bastard got to use it in a tech demo.

[ZeroDarkStar]

First Strike was by far the best in terms of overall quality and writing, but Fall of Reach had a slightly better plot and really revealed all the backstory you should know. I haven't personally read The Flood.

Also there was a man on HBO who seperated the two layers of Cortana's voice from the Halo 3 annoucement trailer and there is defianetly a "Gravemind" type voice in there. It's a very deep, gutteral, male voice. Nobody knows if it's a sign of a corruption by Gravemind, a sign of rampancy, or some other flaw...

[haloaddict]

lo spartan i like what you posted about your fanboyishniss lol, anyhow a fan asked bungie wtf is up with cortana in that picture and they said something is seriously wrong with her,(like we couldnt see that) .

definitely gravemind and cortana has interwined, that point furthered by cortana saying "i am your shield i am your sword" thats totally gravemind talking. also im not sure where i saw it but it showed a image (cortana and another face almost cobined and that looks like a ghostly face. damn we know one thing, cortana is in some deeeeeeeep shit. oh almost forgot! two things 1 on the tentacle that regret is hanging by you can clearly see a human skull. and that if you listen closely to the gravemind you can hear a almost squicky sound.


gonna post a smilee for laughs.....http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/warriorsmiley.gif (http://www.millan.net)
http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/vader.gif (http://www.millan.net)

[Pirahordica_King]

Dude, why did the AI in the ship from First Strike hate it when Cortana jumped from inside a planet? And therfore Truth(or whatever Prophet was in new mombasa) Was a heretic. Also, WHY DO THE COV NOT USE THE PLASMA LASERS CORTANA USED????

[Pirahordica_King]

Dude, why did the AI in the ship from First Strike hate it when Cortana jumped from inside a planet? And therfore Truth(or whatever Prophet was in new mombasa) Was a heretic. Also, WHY DO THE COV NOT USE THE PLASMA LASERS CORTANA USED????

[kongurous]

Dude, why did the AI in the ship from First Strike hate it when Cortana jumped from inside a planet? And therfore Truth(or whatever Prophet was in new mombasa) Was a heretic. Also, WHY DO THE COV NOT USE THE PLASMA LASERS CORTANA USED????

Cortana refined the plasma guidance system of that particular ship; the others were unaffected. The AI hated Cortana period.

[Ubergopher]

1. I don't think it was so much that they jumped within a planet, it was because Cortana used some different equation to make their slip engines more efficent.

2. Because they didn't know how it was done

3. The AI hated Cortana because it was its enemy, no other reason needed.

[Spartan-II]

Also, messing with Forerunner technology is considered heresy.

It states in the book that the Covenants grasp of their technology was actually far inferior to human understanding. The only reason they're winning the war is numbers and having started at a much higher technological level.

<3 Humanity.

[Dusty]

Thats what I've been trying to say. Humans adapt we wuold havethe advatage in the long run. Sheash all Cortana had to do was wright a new equation volia plasma in steroids.

[kongurous]

Thats what I've been trying to say. Humans adapt we wuold havethe advatage in the long run. Sheash all Cortana had to do was wright a new equation volia plasma in steroids.

The long run apparently wasn't in the 27 years we fought each other, because they eventually won. Btw, Cortana didn't write a new equation, she modified the plasma magnetic coils with her knowledge of Maxwell's Equations, making them far more efficient and more powerful.

[Battlecruiser]

The long run apparently wasn't in the 27 years we fought each other, because they eventually won. Btw, Cortana didn't write a new equation, she modified the plasma magnetic coils with her knowledge of Maxwell's Equations, making them far more efficient and more powerful.
What do you mean they won? We still haven't lost.

By the way, Rayne still hasn't emailed me. I'm starting to wonder if he does in fact have a copy of the script.

[kongurous]

What do you mean they won? We still haven't lost.

We lost Earth.

[Battlecruiser]

We lost Earth.
So you think Master Chief is coming back (As seen at the end of Halo 2) to reclaim it?

[Spartan-II]

He's obviously there for a reason. He's going to stop the Covenant from firing the Ark, and maybe save humanity doing it.

Ugh, I can't wait for it to come out so we can stop speculating!

[Battlecruiser]

He's obviously there for a reason. He's going to stop the Covenant from firing the Ark, and maybe save humanity doing it.

Ugh, I can't wait for it to come out so we can stop speculating!
Well, what would the point of him stopping the Covenant from firing the Ark do if they still have control of Earth? Basically, it amounts to the same thing. If the Covenant control the Earth, we still die. So like you said, he would have to do both, or else it is pointless. I'm thinking that the only real way that humans will survive is by the Elites and whoever else rebelling against the rest of the covenant.

And yeah, I agree with your second point. But that isn't going to be happening for a while.

[Spartan-II]

Not until 2007. :(

Maybe the Covenant don't have complete control of Earth. There is a small possibility that they just punched a hole in our defenses and took Africa. Not very likely, but possible.

[Dusty]

lets put this way. Its not done till were underground. Its call the Resitance :D

[Pirahordica_King]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pirahordica_King
Dude, why did the AI in the ship from First Strike hate it when Cortana jumped from inside a planet? And therfore Truth(or whatever Prophet was in new mombasa) Was a heretic. Also, WHY DO THE COV NOT USE THE PLASMA LASERS CORTANA USED????


Cortana refined the plasma guidance system of that particular ship; the others were unaffected. The AI hated Cortana period.

I meant that why did the covenet not utalise their tech to its fullest like she did?

[kongurous]

I meant that why did the covenet not utalise their tech to its fullest like she did?

Either they don't know how, or it's heresy to try.

[Ubergopher]

lets put this way. Its not done till were underground. Its call the Resitance
Yeah... Because the Covenant are interested in enslaving and conquering the human race...

NO. They are interested in destroying the human race. D-E-S-T-R-O-Y-I-N-G the human race. Hence why their first transmission with the UNSC was "Your death is the will of the Gods, and we are their instruments" or somethin' like that.

There can be no resistance when the humans are all dead.

[Dusty]

you think were gonna bend over and die? Just becuase they want to kill us doesn't mean there can't be a resitance.....

[Ubergopher]

Not when they are busy glassing all of our planets, destryoing all of our ships that they can find, and other assorted forms of genocide. So yes, I'd say there is almost no effective way of mounting a resistance that can stand a chance of a snowball in hell.

[ZeroDarkStar]

lets put this way. Its not done till were underground. Its call the Resitance :D

"Resitance" is only effective when the enemy doesn't have an unlimited amount of troops. The Covenant does. They now control the entire Milky Way (well, it's assumed) without opposition.

And don't say anything about the Civil War because honestly, Elites and Hunters vrs Brutes, Jackals and Drones? Come on, it's no contest. The Brutes would destroy the Elites with no problem. They're stronger, faster, and just as smart.

[Dusty]

hmm.... did you stop to think why they didn't glass earth when they took it? They need earth for all we know it might be the Forerunner homeworld. plus billions of ppl lived there. Some had to have escaped.

but grunts are the back bone of the covenant. With out them they lose a huge hunk of there army. Not to mention all the scattered Heretics out there. And they don't have unlimited troops. And plus with suprise and the right target it doesn't really matter how many troops they had. Look at halo:CE 20 marines attack and board a covy ship and mount a succseful rescue!

[ZeroDarkStar]

hmm.... did you stop to think why they didn't glass earth when they took it? They need earth for all we know it might be the Forerunner homeworld. plus billions of ppl lived there. Some had to have escaped.

6 billion on Earth in 2006. 500 years later there is probably ~12 billion, MAYBE. Most would have left the Earth, since it is extremely overpopulated and there are much nicer places to live in the Human empire.

5 billion of those are children. ~2 billion are senior citizens. There are a limted amount of weapons. Less than 2 billion probably have ANY combat experience. The covenant probably wiped out massive amounts of armories, military installations, etc. The Covenant control the entire sky (<---- MAJOR factor. You can win 1000-to-1 battles if you have complete control of the skies...except the Covenant probably outnumber the Humans 2-to-1.)

Don't give me this bullshit. The Covenant would have absolutely no problem holding and controlling Earth.


but grunts are the back bone of the covenant. With out them they lose a huge hunk of there army. Not to mention all the scattered Heretics out there. And they don't have unlimited troops. And plus with suprise and the right target it doesn't really matter how many troops they had. Look at halo:CE 20 marines attack and board a covy ship and mount a succseful rescue!

The Grunts have no alliance. They run around and take the side of whoever is winning (assumed).

And do you even know what the hell the Heretics were? They were a VERY small group of Elites and grunts that learned the truth from the Oracle. They have ONE base in Threshold, which was destroyed by the Arbiter. In effect, the entire Heretic faction is dead.

Halo CE is a game. It had to be contructed so it was possible to win. It is simply not realistic in any way. Geez, when will people learn the there is a difference between real life and games?

[kongurous]

delete this...

[Ubergopher]

Not to mention all the scattered Heretics out there
Are they interested in fighting the Covenant? No, remember how the Heretics in Halo 2 only attacked the Arbiter's forces AFTER they were attacked. Also, how many Heretics are there?

Look at halo:CE 20 marines attack and board a covy ship and mount a succseful rescue!
And how many survived? When you are fighting a war when the enemy has 10x your number (the 20 marines vs the 200 covie troops that are on that ship, and thats a low end guess) even one loss is unacceptable.

And plus with suprise and the right target it doesn't really matter how many troops they had.
Uh no. Sure if you launch a suprise attack you'll might be able to win the battle, but there is no way you can ALWAYS win a suprise attack against a better equiped, faster and larger military.

[Dusty]

Okay i'll put this out there. If the covenant are all supouor and Can holdearth why a 3rd game? Huh? If its hopeless why a third game?

[Ubergopher]

A tragedy story? A cash cow that M$ is milking for all its worth... and because video games have nothing to do with reality.

[kongurous]

Okay i'll put this out there. If the covenant are all supouor and Can holdearth why a 3rd game? Huh? If its hopeless why a third game?

No-one said it was hopeless.

hmm.... did you stop to think why they didn't glass earth when they took it? They need earth for all we know it might be the Forerunner homeworld. plus billions of ppl lived there. Some had to have escaped.

The Covenant, easily mind you, took over Reach with about 150 ships. Judging from the amount of ships around High Charity, plus the ships across the galaxy, the Covenant could easily punch through Earth's defenses and land on the planet.

[Dusty]

If you watch the endig cintamatic where the forerunner ship was luaunching you still see many ships fighting. Also alot of covy's were still on high charity when the flood attacked.

[haloaddict]

hi guys ive been gone on a trip but im back now and its given me time to think. and wonder.....

why the heck did the hierarchs decide humanity was a threat?
and no this story is not hopeless at all! many (not all) of you are just thinking of this war militarily when thats only part of it. you also have the political part. think you only have 1 main leader.... truth. once hes gone the covenant will be non existent, you will simply have factions.

and addressing the herecy issue..... the hereitics you own on the game are not alone-they gain a huge member: the elites. simply think the elites are going against the brutes who are loyal to the prophet. also their could be many heretic things that just are hiding and not active.

[Biohazard]

The covenant cant be control earth, unless the events in the trailer take place several weeks or a month from the beginning of halo 2. I mean it takes a long time to take control of a planet, or perhaps the covenant only wanted to control that portion of the planet because of the forerunner artifact (ppl only assume its the Ark but isnt confirmed). I agree that earth could be the forerunner homeworld but then again Reach could have been...there is a lot of speculation going on.

Another thing, if the events in the trailer take place a while after MC lands on earth to fight, perhaps the elites allied themselves with the humans in an attempt to stop the prophets from killing them all (as much as the elites hate the humans, but look at the Arbiter and Johnson). The elites follow the Arbiter, and the hunters seem to follow the elites as well as the grunts, maybe some of them defected along with the elites. The humans would have gained a HUGE advantage on the remaining covenant if that were the case.

The truth is though is that we have no idea what is going on because it is hard to imagine the covenant taking over the entire planet in the span of that one game, unless they jumped two weeks in between Metropolis and The Arbiter.

All of this is just my opinions so dont throw stones if you think I am full of poop ^_^

[Spartan-II]

Bungie has already stated that it's quite possible that there has been a large lapse of time between the end cutscene in Halo 2, and the trailer. Read Bungie.net, you pick up alot of hints and such.

[haloaddict]

the elites i dont think HATE the humans.... they respect them, except MC they h8 him

[kongurous]

the elites i dont think HATE the humans.... they respect them, except MC they h8 him

Elites have a mixed disposition of fear, hatred, and respect for Master Chief. Depends on who you ask, really. They say the humans are determined and tenacious, with enough fight in them to fill an Elite. Only limitation is humanity is puny and weak, compared to Elites.

[Biohazard]

Elites have a mixed disposition of fear, hatred, and respect for Master Chief. Depends on who you ask, really. They say the humans are determined and tenacious, with enough fight in them to fill an Elite. Only limitation is humanity is puny and weak, compared to Elites.

I agree but what do you think of an alliance between the two?

[ZeroDarkStar]

I agree but what do you think of an alliance between the two?


There already is, at least while they were fighting Tartarus.

[Ubergopher]

That was more of the enemy of my enemy is my friends though. That doesn't make for the best lasting alliance.

[Dusty]

With the civil war there are 2 out comes for elites and humans:

A.We team up agaisnt loyalist

B.We still hate each other and this turns into a 4 way war.

[haloaddict]

no doubt the civil war has left the elites a bit massacred perhaps giving humans a slight upperhand.

[Dusty]

It would be kinda like that scene in Starwars where the jedi runs forward but the clones stay behind and shoot him in the back. I bet at earth the elites charged but got shot in the back by the brutes.....

[kongurous]

It would be kinda like that scene in Starwars where the jedi runs forward but the clones stay behind and shoot him in the back. I bet at earth the elites charged but got shot in the back by the brutes.....

Replay Halo 2, dude. The Elites broke away when the Prophets changed the honor guards from Elites to Brutes. There were no Covenant forces on Earth after Regret jumped out of New Mombasa, and the Brutes wouldn't have shot anyone in the back.

no doubt the civil war has left the elites a bit massacred perhaps giving humans a slight upperhand.

Dead Elites wouldn't give us an advantage against Brutes.

[Dusty]

no they broke away offically about 2 stages afte that. It happened as Chief was going threw high charity. I know becuase I swear I saw a brute flip of a elite before they started killing each other.... Plus in the endig cintamatic you see hundreds of ships around earth some of those had to be elite ships....

[kongurous]

no they broke away offically about 2 stages afte that. It happened as Chief was going threw high charity. I know becuase I swear I saw a brute flip of a elite before they started killing each other.... Plus in the endig cintamatic you see hundreds of ships around earth some of those had to be elite ships....


The Covenant is a lot bigger than you're told. They had hundreds of ships around High Charity, they had hundreds of ships poised to strike the Sol System in First Strike. It is not unreasonable to assume they had hundreds of ships manned by Brutes. Even if some Elites were in orbit, does that mean they were solely attacking our ships? I don't think so.

[Dusty]

Uh what? I don't understand whay your saying. As for the hundreds in first strike most of them went boom. Amazeing how 4 or 5 spartens and a frigate can take out a whole fleet..... As for the hundreds aroubd high charity alot of them were still there fighting when truth left for earth. The battle over earth is most like ly a 3 way battle of elites vs brutes vs humans.

[kongurous]

Uh what? I don't understand whay your saying. As for the hundreds in first strike most of them went boom. Amazeing how 4 or 5 spartens and a frigate can take out a whole fleet..... As for the hundreds aroubd high charity alot of them were still there fighting when truth left for earth. The battle over earth is most like ly a 3 way battle of elites vs brutes vs humans.

Here is what I am saying: the Elites have fallen from the grace of the Prophets and are no longer the honor guards. They were replaced by the Brutes. This ticked off the Elite commanders, who then decided to go up in open rebellion. The Hunters, being tamed by the Elites and technically bound to them and not the Prophets, followed the Elites, and the Grunts did so as well because it was an Arbiter who brought the Grunts to peace, not a Brute. I'm positive a few Elites may have had a ship under their command, however I do not think they would blindly rush off and attack the main force of the Covenant, because no number of Grunts will stop a good number of Brutes.

I know the ships in First Strike exploded, I was using them as an example. Same as the ships around High Charity. If the Covenant could still fight a war after losing hundreds, maybe thousands, of their ships, and considering their limited understanding of Forerunner technology and their lack of said technology, I would not put it past them to have several hundred more ships up their ass that are properly manned and within jump distance of Earth.

I doubt the Elites would continue fighting the Humans, but I do not doubt they would fight the Covenant. Maybe a few of those ships were under Elite command, I don't know. All Elites were targetted for death on site at that moment in time, either they were there on our side, not there at all, or about to get out of Dodge.

[Dusty]

I mean that the elite ships attack earth may not have known about the rebellion and were attacking the humans when the brutes attacked them behind there backs so that they were cuaght in the middle.

[kongurous]

I mean that the elite ships attack earth may not have known about the rebellion and were attacking the humans when the brutes attacked them behind there backs so that they were cuaght in the middle.

The Covenant is capable of instant communication over the entire galaxy. All Elites knew they had fallen from grace; all Elites were in open rebellion.

Please note I am by no means the be-all, end-all of Halo information. I'm only stating what I see to be reasonable; considering the Covenant's ability to communicate across the galaxy instantly, and the pride of the Elites, I assume the Elite leaders told every other Elite in the galaxy that their deal with the Covenant was over.

[Dusty]

But stuff cannot move faster then life in normal space without disortig time so it would have had to be a slipspace transmission even then its not instantauous. Plus the fighting didn't start until master chief was on high charity.

[kongurous]

But stuff cannot move faster then life in normal space without disortig time so it would have had to be a slipspace transmission even then its not instantauous. Plus the fighting didn't start until master chief was on high charity.

The rioting had started before, Grunts don't instantly start charging Brutes with spears when a guy in olive green armor appears.

[Dusty]

Well those were just some pissed off and realyy stupid grunts :P No one said they were smart.

[haloaddict]

well their communications are very fast as displayed when cotana intercepted the transmissions from regret and truth. i bet the delays between messages were just so they could record or write their response.

and why the hell would faster then light travel that is not split-space distort time?

[Dusty]

its called Einstiens law of realitiy or something like that.... As you near the speed of light time seems normal to you but its acctually moveing faster. So it feel like it took 10 yrs to get some where but it really took 55 yrs. Creepy.... Thats why there is slip space in halo the laws don't apply there.

[SHISHKABOB]

No not exactly. Time is affected by slipspace because it is an alternate dimension and there is basically no such thing as time so it fluctuates all the time. And it's Einsteins Theory of Relativity.

[Dusty]

And it's Einsteins Theory of Relativity

told you geeze guys don't you read the encylopidiea? :P

[kongurous]

Slipspace functions kind of like so: take a piece of paper, and crumble it up. Find two corners of the paper touching each other, and in its most basic form, that is slipspace. It forms a shortcut of sorts through space, connecting two points rather than pushing you through at speeds faster than light. The efficiency of human slipspace and Covenant slipspace drives, however, differ substantially. Time flows as normal, however your position in space is altered, and the speed of which this "shortcut" takes differs. Covenant ships seemingly cross the galaxy in a matter of hours. For humans, it takes days, sometimes weeks to get to your destination.

[Dusty]

Ya if you tried speeds that high in normal space its immpossible or extremely dangerous as 1000 of yrs could pas