What can change the nature of a "man"?

[Frattimonde]

As the title says above, but however.
When I say "man" then I am reffering to a human!

Both women and men.

So do you think there Is anything that can change
our Destructive Nature that runs in our blood.

Anything at all that can change that, or Is there nothing that change us.

Give me your opinion.

[singo]

Human nature will not change, and why should it. The impulse to destroy anything that threatens us has served us well for millions of years

Rather than think "This is what humans should be" think "this is how we are, how can we cope with it"
That 'Destructive nature' is the force that has propelled us to the top of the evolutionary tree and kept us their as the greatest species this planet has so far seen.

This is why i dislike the way society is moving, appealing to "better natures" etc society arose as a force to channel our destructive tendancies into other pursuits, why should we change something that works?

[RelinaIonna]

Humanity is inherently evil in the eyes of Deity. (Meaning we so do not follow the teaching of the Deity about goodness ect.) We commit thousand of horrible atrocities all the time, breaking the boundaries, be they man or Deity. And anyone who is not evil lives in a society ruled by evil (Corruption/Greed/Bribery) and why, well because we would all be evil too, but we can't. There are many checks and balances imposed to keep us humbled and docile. Divine forbid we think for ourselves and maybe decide "Hey we don't want you governing us anymore!" And anyone in society who is an evil sheep (Us being a flock.) Well they're labelled criminal or murder ect. and carted away all the while we’re made to think "I'm so glad that "label" is gone, he was really bad!" Well you may be asking what about "Deity" he/she wants us to be good (Ignore this part Cultists) Well, how do you know that? Because your church or w/e told you so (Or at least the source leads back too such people) Organized religion eh? Well theirs the keyword "Organized" kind of like an Organized Government that rules you now. Hell did you know that most Religions and Governments were once the same thing?! (Church at the very least had its hand in State) So are not the Churches telling you to be good, as does the government? Hardly a coincidence. Well you say theirs a difference "Our Church Administration is also good!" Is it? Do you really know its highest inner workings (Not god but of the people administration) or do you see a face you were taught to see? So I hope your all not to confused but maybe the words "Humbled Roots" will have a greater meaning for you. End.

[Battlecruiser]

Nothing I guess. Even if we had some tragic event, humans might change for a few years and then go back to how they were before the event. A perfect example is 9/11. Maybe 1 year ago it was onn everyone's minds. Now almost no one even thinks about it. Another is Pearl Harbor. The only time I hear people talk about it is in Social Studies class (History class). Human nature isn't going to change. It never will.

[KesTrel]

Its all matter of making choices. Any pattren of choices is allowable. Any pattren of choices could occure.

[Frattimonde]

I would said too that the true answer to this, dillemma.

Would be "Nothing".

They take that as good example In the game Plane Scape Torment.
It is about a man who has lost his mortallity and become indestrucable.
And he must fight through endless of quests and monsters to solve his riddle.
But won´t be alone, In game that you probaly have some the coolest NPC´s ever.

The game clearly shows that even such an event as immortallity cannot change a mans nature.

Check It out at www.planetbaldursgate.com

[zzov]

man dont have a specified human nature, I mean we are humans but we are not good or bad, we born and while growing we learn everything around us so that way we choose our "nature"

[KesTrel]

Excactly zzov. I have verifed myself certin things through my own path.

[RelinaIonna]

Wut Zzov says is "Nurture" not Nature.

[Cygnus]

Human nature is animal nature only with a little “twist”. You just can’t take the beast out of the man. It’s instinct, but at the same time “higher” intelligence has muddled many of the instincts we have. A very basic example could be this: an animal has instincts to push it to reproduce. These instincts are also aided by the pleasures that are added as well to make the animal help to do the act. In the end though animals just “do it” and go through the act because some part of their brain tells them to do that. Humans (as well as other certain animals) on the other hand have more to it. I can decide if I reproduce. I can suddenly make choices that other animals might not make.

These instincts muddled with intelligence affect who we are. Also, as mentioned above by zzov, what we learn in life also can shape who we are. We all know the effects our family and friends are.

[RelinaIonna]

The Balance of "Nurture"/"Nature"

[zzov]

Wut Zzov says is "Nurture" not Nature. well I meant nature is: you born free and neutral
nurture: you choose your way based in what you learn and live accord it

to come the conclusion nurture can change the nature of a man =)

[RelinaIonna]

I interpreted your similarly, but I myself didn't covey the interpretation correctly. I apologize.well I meant nature is: you born free and neutral
nurture: you choose your way based in what you learn and live accord it

to come the conclusion nurture can change the nature of a man =)

[Grom_Icecream]

Evolution changes the nature of humankind. The stresses of our environment force us to adapt thereby changing our nature. I suppose you could call this nurture, though it is not quite the same.

[XTERMIN8OR1]

As the title says above, but however.
When I say "man" then I am reffering to a human!

Both women and men.

So do you think there Is anything that can change
our Destructive Nature that runs in our blood.

Anything at all that can change that, or Is there nothing that change us.

Give me your opinion.NO. Face it. The human race is one of killing others (and animals). There have been so many species that we (human beings) have exterminated (no refer to my nickname, though:smirk: ).
Not that it is actually 'bad' to be like that; it's just the way we are. And, like someone already replied to this thread, it has served us well through all that millions of years the human species exists. It's due to our 'destructive nature' that the human species still exists.
Though one can say it is a shame we have already exteminated so many species, but does that make a single difference in this whole universe? In this universe where destruction is everywhere (meteors, asteroïds, exploding stars,...)? In this universe that was been CREATED by destruction (remember the 'Big Bang' theory)? I don't think so. And would it make a single difference if the human species itself wasn't good (read: destructive) enough in the struggle for survive and now wasn't even here anymore? Same answer.
And other highly evolved species, would they do different? I am not saying there ARE such species, neither I say there aren't (as long as it isn't scientifically proven there are, I won't believe. Same answer again.
Off course (don't get me wrong!) nuclear weapons are a pain in the ass, and off course it is bad that many animal species are on the brink of extermination, and off course it is bad that every day so many people die in traffic,...But, again, all this doesn't make one single difference in this whole everything.

[Wick3d]

Its all about Tabula Rasa. "Blank Slate". You are born with nothing. If you born in an inner-city ghetto but then immediately taken to africa to live you wouldnt be a gangster.

[Grom_Icecream]

It is a lot less "blank slate" than you would think. If two people were born in the ghetto then taken to top of the line schools they would not necessarily both be geniuses. They would differ because of their inheritence. We are all born with certain capabilitys.

[RelinaIonna]

Not True, many theorize we are born capable of anything, its how and what nurtures us in the beggining that will develop certain skill of ours as we lose the potential for other ones.

[Battlecruiser]

Not True, many theorize we are born capable of anything, its how and what nurtures us in the beggining that will develop certain skill of ours as we lose the potential for other ones.

Actually it is a combination of both. We are not born capable of anything. Sometimes you can be born with a disorder. That will change your life.

[Tranxiety]

Knowledge is all that can change a man. Understanding the truth can change your path. Understanding yourself can define it.

[Grom_Icecream]

Knowledge is all that can change a man. Understanding the truth can change your path. Understanding yourself can define it.Not really sure what this means..... Knowlege changes people but is not the only factor. Truth is not really that relevant because it is subjective, and people believe different truthes. Understanding ourselves is a step towards change though.

[GiaDragoness]

I think the key would be motivation, we may not want to change unless we want it. I think that someone cannot be easily changed, but they would change if they were determined enough. Example, no loving father would continue to carry on a bad habbit if he knew the life of one of his beloved young children or the love of his wife were at stake. Sometimes we only move when we are going to get something out of it, that may be greedy, but think about it: Why would anyone ever wnt to just do something without thinking of any kind of reward for themselves? People who do good deeds, do it because it makes them feel useful, and good about themselves. So there is even reward in helping people, or thinking you want to be someone who helps with no reward, just to be good. There is even a scent of greed in that if you look at it, then again, we normally define greed when someone does something only for themselves don't we? Uhm, Ok, I'm starting to forget where my point was, not to mention countering most of my own points in my head before I even type them out, so let me just end by saying that people only need the right motivation, something dear to them must be at stake, something that they want, whether they want to do it for themselves directly or indirectly. I certainly like those people who at least think they're doing it for everyone but themselves, they're so much nicer are'nt they? Lol. Ok, now let's count the times I confused not only myself, but everyone else shall we?

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[Dark_Viper]

Knowledge is all that can change a man. Understanding the truth can change your path. Understanding yourself can define it.
this is true.. but to many people are so close minded and/or too afraid of change and no amount of knowledge will snap them out of their allready processed world...

I believe that what you are taught in the begining of your life, that is what you will believe for the rest of your life... i know so many people who believe what they were taught is correct no matter how insane it actually is...

Ex: A person that rapes/murdes a person and compleatly believes that its the right thing to do..

[Frattimonde]

As I said before, I belive that nothing can change the true nature of man.
We are all forever bound to our destructive nature.

But then again, why should It be change?
For If we try to not live to our nature and the desires created from It.
How can one live fully?

I´m not sayng that you should go out and harm people.
But only to accept your nature and thus become balanced.

Even If some dark desires may seem evil, they may not be so.
For the only desires that are wrong, are of those of harm.

Power for example.
Obtaining power Is no true sin, If the power Is not meant to harm.
You can obtain power If to redeem yourself, or to help others.

So If a desire Is not intended to harm, then you should follow It.
For only If all true desires are fullfiled, you can become one with yourself.

Such Is the path that follow, the path of neutrallity and balance.

Perhaps this already been mentioned by me before, or someone of
equal opinion.

<Lord Goth.