Was there an other Evil before Lucifer?

[Frattimonde]

Is there anyone that think that there could have been an evil before Satan?
Could this be possible?

Tell my your opinion.

[KesTrel]

Dispite teachings, the words of gurus, it is "Evil" is a force.

What excactly is evil ? Strange choices that are not logical. In essence they can cause great suffering and ect. So-called "evil" is actually created by people who CHOOSE to harm and take advantage of others. In extreme cases we have totalitarian regimes, slavery, concentration camps and the inquisition. All "evil" activities are done by PEOPLE.

Question the motives of those who tell you that satan is doing evil things. It would appear this evil force is a scape goat...

[Frattimonde]

Dispite teachings, the words of gurus, it is "Evil" is a force.

What excactly is evil ? Strange choices that are not logical. In essence they can cause great suffering and ect. So-called "evil" is actually created by people who CHOOSE to harm and take advantage of others. In extreme cases we have totalitarian regimes, slavery, concentration camps and the inquisition. All "evil" activities are done by PEOPLE.

Question the motives of those who tell you that satan is doing evil things. It would appear this evil force is a scape goat...
I would just like to that you´ve made a damn good point.
But In that case, what made people to make the first evil act?

[singo]

Evil is just a personification of the part of ourselves we do not want to think about, as long as there is man there will be evil.

[OboeGuru]

In all likelihood, "evil" was not defined until after the "evil act" was done. So nobody really made a first "evil act," but rather there was an act that begin to define "evil" for millenia to come.

[KesTrel]

I would just like to that you´ve made a damn good point.
But In that case, what made people to make the first evil act?
Well, I cannot tell you really. However, here on earth we are here because it can provide a specific learning enviorment. You alone can be the one to figure out you're individual wish to understand something. However, some many of us here act as primitive intellects. You ask, "what is primitive ? " Primitive is simply some one who makes strange choices that are not logical. These strange choices can ignore the reason for any intelligent design of the universe. There for go against shall we call it ' purpose of the universe '. (Would you send your children to learn in the dark ? ) Things such as murder, rape decit total lack of shall we call it inhuman acts. That we could definitly use the word evil for, are a result of primitive intellects. They have not evolved to a higher state yet. So in effect primitive intellects who make strange choices are creating these choices.

However, we are still capabile of making logical choices. Its happend in earths distant history, that would be a diffrent elaboration however.

[Frattimonde]

Well, I cannot tell you really. However, here on earth we are here because it can provide a specific learning enviorment. You alone can be the one to figure out you're individual wish to understand something. However, some many of us here act as primitive intellects. You ask, "what is primitive ? " Primitive is simply some one who makes strange choices that are not logical. These strange choices can ignore the reason for any intelligent design of the universe. There for go against shall we call it ' purpose of the universe '. (Would you send your children to learn in the dark ? ) Things such as murder, rape decit total lack of shall we call it inhuman acts. That we could definitly use the word evil for, are a result of primitive intellects. They have not evolved to a higher state yet. So in effect primitive intellects who make strange choices are creating these choices.

However, we are still capabile of making logical choices. Its happend in earths distant history, that would be a diffrent elaboration however.
As the title says above.

What´s your alignment?
If you don´t mind me asking.

[KesTrel]

Can you clairify what you mean by that? It has double meaning to me.

[CODEZERO]

everyone evil even the chritian killed ex crusaders yea they killed they is no such as no evil its everywhere
edit: is just facts

[Frattimonde]

Can you clairify what you mean by that? It has double meaning to me.
Sorry for being confuseing.

What I ment was, are you Good, Neutral or Bad.
And also I ment If you are Lawful, True or Chaotic.

You know like Lawful Good or Chaotic Evil or True Neutral.

[Carnage]

There was another Evil...

Long before humanity graced the universe, our planet belonged to another species--an ancient species bound by neither physics nor nature, purpose nor ethic. Through the passage of time, against the relentless advance of ice and the continental plates, and for other inscutable reasons, these "Ancients" were driven deep into the recesses of our world. There, they lie imprisoned until the conditions are right for their return.

Hungry for dominance and the favor of the Ancients, secret organizations seek to restore the Ancients to their former station. For eons they have schemed and plotted in the darkness, attempting to bring these evil entities into our world through arcane magicks-- blood rituals, worship, and sacrifice.

Of these sects, little is known: those who learn of their secrets perish swiftly at their hands. Their scheming works to bring the Ancients' return--and humanity's extinction--ever closer.

Yet not all hope is lost. The fate of Humanity depends upon the actions of a chosen few. They are average people, unprepared for heroic deeds, but the responsibility is theirs nonetheless. Even as their lives are torn apart by unseen evils, they must show courage in the faces not only of the enemy, but also of their own fears. These poor souls teeter on the brink of insanity, tortured by the horrors of the Ancients.

A secret war is being waged on the periphery of Humanity's perceptions-- a war wreathed in shadows and deception.

The Darkness Comes...

[Duddits]

And now I have a story to back why Google is evil. I'll convince you all yet!

[KesTrel]

Sorry for being confuseing.

What I ment was, are you Good, Neutral or Bad.
And also I ment If you are Lawful, True or Chaotic.

You know like Lawful Good or Chaotic Evil or True Neutral.
Whos law my freind. There is the universal law, that exsist it has inflexable rules and safeguards. It is the law of everything, all mistakes will be payed for, immediatly, tommrow or in ten thousand years.

There is also the law of man, upon earth. I will never hisitate to break these laws if I so choose. Some of which is garbage. I am obliged to do nothing against my will.

I most often make the choice to make postive choices. I want to make positive actions. So I shall continue to try in the future to do positive things. I wish to use my current limited understanding to make better choices. Logical, deeds I wish to make. I put my neighbor before myself, as it must be to build a truly civilized earth. Currently we do not have rights to even claim the first letter of civilized. We know nothing of true civilization.
Ability to murder one another, in mass number, one by one makes a nation civilized? I think not. Inventions lean to making us dependent upon them rather then assistiance. Poloticans mis lead us, lie, create wars. These are people of little integrety, oppertunist in a word. Money is used to block progress. Its used to enslave us, destroying out great potentail here on earth. It makes us put our fellow human to the side, when we should be concerned about the well being of everyone. Journalist, should consider taking a pyscology class. Any failure can have their moment of fame, a chance to get their picture eveywhere. They get some recgoniztion when all violence is reported, sometimes exxzagerated. They can be compared to violent action heros, the more they murder the merrier for them. They may even be eternalized with a name as "boston strangler" ect. I wont even continue you get my point. I however, can choose to do positive things, ratehr then continuing to submit and particiapte in the great negitve circle that exsist.

I am young, I have potential, if not here on great earth then I have my place in the universe. What about you my freind, how do you feel?
Do you know of you're potential ?

[MnementhDedderath]

Another Idea on evil:

Notice that things that are represented by good, always seem to represent a structure or have some form of order to them, and things that are represented as evil seem to be chaotic, or are backed by some form of chaos?

I personally think that we have come to representing one side of the universe as undesirable, and another as desirable when both cannot exsist indepentdantly. Chaos (bad), and Order (good). But there is not a black and white answer to these things, or a simple qualification. The strongest evil that you can have is one that uses Order or Law to further it's own gain.

And again I lose my train of thought because I'm trying to over simplify things that cannot be simplified, there is no "evil" nor "good" force or being only action, order, chaos. And intent cannot be confused with result. Again I really cannot put what I have in my head to words, I haven't sorted any of this out myself, I only have a starting point. That though, is what I have given you here, is a starting point to a different line of thought.

Ramble ramble ramble...

[Frattimonde]

Whos law my freind. There is the universal law, that exsist it has inflexable rules and safeguards. It is the law of everything, all mistakes will be payed for, immediatly, tommrow or in ten thousand years.

There is also the law of man, upon earth. I will never hisitate to break these laws if I so choose. Some of which is garbage. I am obliged to do nothing against my will.

I most often make the choice to make postive choices. I want to make positive actions. So I shall continue to try in the future to do positive things. I wish to use my current limited understanding to make better choices. Logical, deeds I wish to make. I put my neighbor before myself, as it must be to build a truly civilized earth. Currently we do not have rights to even claim the first letter of civilized. We know nothing of true civilization.
Ability to murder one another, in mass number, one by one makes a nation civilized? I think not. Inventions lean to making us dependent upon them rather then assistiance. Poloticans mis lead us, lie, create wars. These are people of little integrety, oppertunist in a word. Money is used to block progress. Its used to enslave us, destroying out great potentail here on earth. It makes us put our fellow human to the side, when we should be concerned about the well being of everyone. Journalist, should consider taking a pyscology class. Any failure can have their moment of fame, a chance to get their picture eveywhere. They get some recgoniztion when all violence is reported, sometimes exxzagerated. They can be compared to violent action heros, the more they murder the merrier for them. They may even be eternalized with a name as "boston strangler" ect. I wont even continue you get my point. I however, can choose to do positive things, ratehr then continuing to submit and particiapte in the great negitve circle that exsist.

I am young, I have potential, if not here on great earth then I have my place in the universe. What about you my freind, how do you feel?
Do you know of you're potential ?
I don´t know.
But I´ve speculated, and juding by that I am Lawful Neutral.

I would say that I have a potential for perhaps for
solving conflicts with words.

Kinda like a Paladin, whom always try to solve conflicts with peace.
Rather than just draw his like a barbarian.

There is an other possibility.
As I´ve felt very strong desire for control and godpowers.
There might small chance for me of having an Evil potential.

But I don´t truely know.

[Doom_Dragoon]

I noticed in the title you say was there evil before Lucifer, then in your first post you say Satan. I hope you do not think that Lucifer and Satan are the same entity, as they are not.

[Subjukator]

A relatively simple and religious answer for your question "Was there another 'Evil' before Lucifer?" is that Lucifer is the embodiment of evil, therefore he will be the first, last and only evil. I'm not too knowledgeable on the Bible but I do believe that he dissented from God, thus making him "evil" for opposing Him. There was no "evil" before Lucifer. What he did by dissenting from Him was "evil" in God's eyes for He is omnipotent and omniscent and He can do no wrong. Or in other words Lucifer committed the first evil act as no one had dissented to God before Lucifer came along.

That is why Lucifer is evil and why there he is the first and only evil to exist, religiously speaking.

[KesTrel]

A relatively simple and religious answer for your question "Was there another 'Evil' before Lucifer?" is that Lucifer is the embodiment of evil, therefore he will be the first, last and only evil. I'm not too knowledgeable on the Bible but I do believe that he dissented from God, thus making him "evil" for opposing Him. There was no "evil" before Lucifer. What he did by dissenting from Him was "evil" in God's eyes for He is omnipotent and omniscent and He can do no wrong. Or in other words Lucifer committed the first evil act as no one had dissented to God before Lucifer came along.

That is why Lucifer is evil and why there he is the first and only evil to exist, religiously speaking. So religously god can create a rock that cannot be moved. Yet if he can move it then he is not omnipotent / allmighty. This is simple logic, while the creator is un imaginably intelligent, not omnipotent. Yet all I usually get for this simple logic is, "you are ye of little faith" or " God works in mysterious ways" or something like such. No one wants to understand, so bascially you could run "belivers" in circles all day about these evil forces that are the root of problems. Condradictions can easily be explained by a simple "we cannot understand god" or such.

[RelinaIonna]

True evil is an illusion, as is good. Humans are just that, humans. As evolutionarily advanced as we are, we are still but beasts. But what we have are many theoretical forces, spawned by our sentience. You grow up being taught what is good and what is evil, instilled at such an early age one develops an actual conscience (well most of us) A section of our brain that tells us what's good or bad, using its own logic, and prediction. Thats a theoretical force, its all in our brains and as of yet we can't make it abstract. Such things give birth to the humanity's collective conscience. It is said to be where racial memories are stored, and in which the natural checks and balances in humanity take place. Perhaps that is God! So is this "God" good or evil, neither! Its more primal like that of an animal, not a sub conscience but not sentient either. Because of evolution, should humanity survive, what happens when it become Sentient. (If you want proof on a collective conscience, well most groups of animal offer proof. Certain birds and fish move in formation by which they don't crash into each other and stay in formation.)

[KesTrel]

If you simply went by what you were taught rather then seeking to understand or make your own views.
You would be one contradicting, confused individual. Especially if you live in america.

[KexMex]

(failure on computer)
(got wrong place)
(damn)


(why here? sorry for all)

[Frattimonde]

(failure on computer)
(got wrong place)
(damn)


(why here? sorry for all)
Is this Evil?

[Magmaniac]

I dont beleive in the Christian explination of things, so I dont think any 'Lucifer' started any evil. I think that nothing much has changed in the history of evolution. When a person kills a person, its 'evil' right? If , say, a monkey killed another monkey in a fight for dominance, would that be evil? No, it would be nature. We haven't changed and become 'evil', we simply have become more aware of the consequences of our actions and thus created new opinions on things.

thats my 2 cents bitches

[Frattimonde]

Perhaps as most people have said.

"There Is no true evil but ourselves".
I agree with that, to a certain extent.