Whom belives in the Path of Neutralilty?

[Frattimonde]

I have a serious question.

Is there anyone whom belives in the path of True Neurality, in other words true balance and perfection in one self.
A path that is not of true good or true evil, but a path where you seek to perfect yourself and become ultimate by finding your true self and your embrace your hearts true desires.

I would like to know as It is not everone whom belives In a such path as I do.

EDIT:// Anyone else but us in this thread, whom dares to say If the follow this path?

[RelinaIonna]

One has to believe in the possitive and the negativs, it all relative. Their are opposites and their is a half wa point. But many opposites are similar when further examined. True opposites are those not based on humanities perception, but more on mathematicla and scientific facts. Black is the opposite of white, perfect gray is the nuetral between them, 50% white 50% black. +#/-#. 0 being the absolute neutral. Speaking of Zero absence is different from nothingness. A jar for example can be absent of cookies, but their is always something in it, like air. You can suck the air out, but if its al lgone it will colapse and its no longer a Jar. So I'm saying its hard to the neutral in may cases, as its theoretical. You are at Peace or you are at War, but whats in between. It can be broken up into shades of grey like most things, as different levels of hostility between total War and total Peace. No one person can be perfectly neutral, it is a theoretical state. An Ideal one can strive for, IE follow a "path" to it. (One will never reach it of course.) The same can be said for the idea of Pure Good and Pure Evil!

[Frattimonde]

One has to believe in the possitive and the negativs, it all relative. Their are opposites and their is a half wa point. But many opposites are similar when further examined. True opposites are those not based on humanities perception, but more on mathematicla and scientific facts. Black is the opposite of white, perfect gray is the nuetral between them, 50% white 50% black. +#/-#. 0 being the absolute neutral. Speaking of Zero absence is different from nothingness. A jar for example can be absent of cookies, but their is always something in it, like air. You can suck the air out, but if its al lgone it will colapse and its no longer a Jar. So I'm saying its hard to the neutral in may cases, as its theoretical. You are at Peace or you are at War, but whats in between. It can be broken up into shades of grey like most things, as different levels of hostility between total War and total Peace. No one person can be perfectly neutral, it is a theoretical state. An Ideal one can strive for, IE follow a "path" to it. (One will never reach it of course.) The same can be said for the idea of Pure Good and Pure Evil!
Although I know I said True Neurallity, I have to agree with you.

To tell the truth I am actually more of a Lawful Neutral.
Since I tend to really be between law and chaos, but I still prefer to be more good and lawful rather than chaotic.

So to be honest, I will always be more lawful.

[singo]

You cannot set out to be good or evil, neutral or chaotic, not for very long. all you can set out to be is yourself, as well as you can.
Just my opinion but there you go.

[Frattimonde]

You cannot set out to be good or evil, neutral or chaotic, not for very long. all you can set out to be is yourself, as well as you can.
Just my opinion but there you go.
Perhaps you´re right, I myself don´t truely know.
I just follow my heart.

[Whiteknight]

[QUOTE=RelinaIonna] A jar for example can be absent of cookies, but their is always something in it, like air. You can suck the air out, but if its al lgone it will colapse and its no longer a Jar. So I'm saying its hard to the neutral in may cases, as its theoretical. QUOTE]

Actually, science has advanced to the point where we can suck out the air and create a vacuum inside an area without it breaking. Therefore, it is possible to suck the air out of a jar, and the jar can be absent of everything. Then again, it depends on what the jar is made out of, it has to be made out of a certain thing to prevent breakage.

[Carnage]

I reached Perfect Neutrality once. It was after 7 straight days of non-stop Diablo 2 that I realized that killing the demons means nothing if they return the next time you create a game. I came to realize that the truth was the demons really didn't exist because if they're killed in the past and are born again in the future only to die a second time... or is that a third time? The main point of Neutrality is to not care whether you finish anything and just go

[singo]

Whoo you play D2?
Actually, that does outline a point, the same things happen time and time again.
And every time people believe that this is a new unique thing.
A person's memory is very short, a racial memory is shorter still (i realise that this appears to make no sense but think about it)

[Battlecruiser]

A jar for example can be absent of cookies, but their is always something in it, like air. You can suck the air out, but if its al lgone it will colapse and its no longer a Jar.

Ever heard of a vacuum? It can be done.

Oh oops Whiteknight said this already.

[Frattimonde]

This may not be a so alive thread.

But still I want to ask again If anyone follows the "Path of Neutrallity",
or if you have any opinions upon this path.

Anyone?

[Crion]

Neutrality is all so...dull.

[Frattimonde]

Neutrality is all so...dull. Exactly, how If one might ask?

Explain please why you think It´s so dull.

[Crion]

First, I must ask you: What makes life worth living?

The path of neutrality requires a complete absence of feeling. It requires machine-like tranquility. It is an artificial state that can be maintained only through drugs or the most fanatical of devotions. It would require me to renounce all the beliefs and ideals that I hold dear in order to...in order to what? What exactly is the point of being truly neutral? What is my benefit from killing emotion?

[Cygnus]

No I don't because I don't believe in good and evil as having any other meaning than maintaining order in the human world. It's all relative, ourselves as an individual and then society at all it's level determine exactly what "good" and "evil" is. Thus good and evil are human constructs designed to maintain a working society because in the end we're all social animals. This all allow the species to survive and expand.

Thus we decide what the path is and it is forever changin. It's all a side-product of intellegence.

So in turn I just do what I have to do to survive, it's what happens. I'm a smart animal as are you.

[Frattimonde]

First, I must ask you: What makes life worth living?

The path of neutrality requires a complete absence of feeling. It requires machine-like tranquility. It is an artificial state that can be maintained only through drugs or the most fanatical of devotions. It would require me to renounce all the beliefs and ideals that I hold dear in order to...in order to what? What exactly is the point of being truly neutral? What is my benefit from killing emotion? You do not kill emotion through Neutrallity, you balance It.

In the path of neutrallity that I follow, I do belive you should follow your souls inner desirers. And thus by fufilling them, becoming perfectly balanced.

But however, evil desirers should not be obeyed.

For even If I walk between, I still have a sense of right and wrong.

Neutrallity, Is a path to true emotion.

And not mechanical balance/instinct or whatever you called It.

I have little difficult to explain exactly what I mean, one must be neutral I think to truly understand my words.

Or one must be true to his/her soul to understand.

[Crion]

You do not kill emotion through Neutrallity, you balance It.

Semantics. It's the same in the end.

In the path of neutrallity that I follow, I do belive you should follow your souls inner desirers. And thus by fufilling them, becoming perfectly balanced.

I've never had a chat with my soul. Only my brain.

But however, evil desirers should not be obeyed.

And what if they are the soul's inner desires?

For even If I walk between, I still have a sense of right and wrong.

Making a decision based on any subjective right or wrong automatically removes neutrality from the discourse altogether.

Neutrallity, Is a path to true emotion.

In saying you do not make it so. Explain.

And not mechanical balance/instinct or whatever you called It.

Machines have no instinct. Neutrality is the destruction of instinct. Or, if you will, the total surrender to instinct, for animals are sometimes said to be neutral. I think that I prefer humanity to the coldness of rigid machine logic and the carnal savagery of the animal kingdom.

I have little difficult to explain exactly what I mean, one must be neutral I think to truly understand my words.

Or one must be true to his/her soul to understand.

How convenient. Next time, fewer bad Zen ripoffs and sentence fragments, and more actual explanation, please.

[singo]

besides, we are all "good".

EVERYONE here knows, deep down that they are right and the other guy is the evil one.

dont deny human nature....it's got us this far

[GiaDragoness]

No I don't because I don't believe in good and evil as having any other meaning than maintaining order in the human world. It's all relative, ourselves as an individual and then society at all it's level determine exactly what "good" and "evil" is. Thus good and evil are human constructs designed to maintain a working society because in the end we're all social animals. This all allow the species to survive and expand.We all know true to our heart what is good and evil, nutruality just ignores/balances it out, or however you want to call it. Think about it like this: What would you do that you would not want someone to do to you? Like the golden rule. A dear friend of mine taught me a very valualbe life truth a while ago. It is sad how often we forget the person on the other side has a soul Would you do something to someone, even though you know it would hurt in some way? We know right and wrong down to a very basic level. We just choose to follow it, making us good, disobey it, making us evil, or just ignoring it, not caring, thus making us nutrual. By the way, by the defininition of any D&D or Balduers Gate, A True Nutrual has no concept, or care about right or wrong, only what they want or think.

A jar for example can be absent of cookies, but their is always something in it, like air. You can suck the air out, but if its al lgone it will colapse and its no longer a Jar.Actually, wouldnt that create a vaccum? Otherwise, a "lack of matter?"

*EDIT: DAMNIT! WK got it already. I BLAME YOU FOR THIS WHITE KNIGHT!!!

You might want to go back and edit that post fratt, otherwise your going to be getting ALOT of posts like this. lol

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[Cygnus]

We all know true to our heart what is good and evil, nutruality just ignores/balances it out, or however you want to call it. Think about it like this: What would you do that you would not want someone to do to you? Like the golden rule. A dear friend of mine taught me a very valualbe life truth a while ago.We know good and evil in our heart because society drills it into us the moment we are born. Every second of our life we're bombarded with what other's think is right and wrong. From what we've learned and experience we slowly mold our own views of it based on the input we've revieved and then our actions reflect those and in turn affect our peers. That's how the line of good and evil can slowly change and shit over time, actually it's less of a line and more of a blur.

Plus the golden rule is one of the best, found in many societies that have formed some of the greater civilizations. Without such a rule society could not expand and be maintained. Without such a rule humans would not be able to coexist. We wouldn't be able to maintain our packs and herds.

Would you do something to someone, even though you know it would hurt in some way? We know right and wrong down to a very basic level. We just choose to follow it, making us good, disobey it, making us evil, or just ignoring it, not caring, thus making us nutrual. By the way, by the defininition of any D&D or Balduers Gate, A True Nutrual has no concept, or care about right or wrong, only what they want or think.If all depends on the situation, who the person is, and how you feel about it. It's case by case. See what I wrote above. Might I add that there is no neutrality in the world, nor is there black and white. We have a rainbow of different actions, beliefs, and motives which drive the human race. But there is no purely neutrul variation.

[LordAhriman]

All you have in life is time. I for one am not looking to divide it in half with counterbalancing whatever good times I have. It's like any other time somebody say: 'the universe is x, so try to be x'; if the universe is truly balanced, why try to be? It will all sort itself out in the end.

The thing that shocked me about Buddhism was that, at the same time that it tells you of the Buddha's finding of enlightenment after trials and suffering, it tells you to avoid and shun the extremes of pain and happiness that he went through to find it. It seemed cowardly to me that someone would try to take away from the happiness in their life so they wouldn't have to feel bad.

[XTERMIN8OR1]

In maths and sciences, neutrality is common. Numbers, temperatures, etc. can be negative, -8 in example, they can be positive, 5 in example and there is one neutral: 0. For colours, there's black and there's white and the perfect neutral is grey. But for people (feelings, emotions, that kinda stuff) it's a utopia to reach neutrality. You are always one of two opposites. If you aren't Good, then you are Evil. And vice versa.

[GiaDragoness]

In maths and sciences, neutrality is common. Numbers, temperatures, etc. can be negative, -8 in example, they can be positive, 5 in example and there is one neutral: 0. For colours, there's black and there's white and the perfect neutral is grey. But for people (feelings, emotions, that kinda stuff) it's a utopia to reach neutrality. You are always one of two opposites. If you aren't Good, then you are Evil. And vice versa.
I could'nt agree more! Well, unless your like, stoned, or drugged or something, then i suppose you would be nutral, or damn close. Then again that's kinda debatible.

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[singo]

cant say id like to be neutral.....its not really a human thing.

humanity can be summed up thus

You (who is important) <-------------------->everyone else (who arn't)


and if you need to be drugged up to be neutral.....then sod it, im not paying for it

[Seraph_Knight]

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[singo]

an expression

as in "you little sod"

or "sod off"

technically it referes to a "sod" of earth, so it seems to be an insult as in "you are mud"


probably a british thing