View Full Version : Extra clip after the Xmen: The Last Stand credits.
JoEsMhOe
05-24-2006, 12:25 PM
"While the clip is fairly short, it is quite significant in what it reveals. So, do remember to stay in your seat until you've seen everything!"
Just a heads up. Stay!
http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4288
Protosschick99
05-24-2006, 2:11 PM
Cool!! I'm gonna go see that movie with Darlene :D
It's gonna be AWESOME! :D :P ;)
dunchy
05-24-2006, 8:30 PM
Xavier merges with Magneto and creates Onslaught.
Xavier merges with Magneto and creates Onslaught.
That combination does not seem to work... ;)
Yeah, thanks for the spoiler warning guys.
GrassDragon
05-25-2006, 12:45 PM
This thing comes out tomorrow?! I thought I had another week. I guess I'll have to find some people to go see it with soon then.
GenocideAlive
05-25-2006, 2:22 PM
Spoiler? Uhm, have you read any of the comic book? O_o
How could you miss Onslaught?
EvilEmpire
05-25-2006, 4:42 PM
This thing comes out tomorrow?! I thought I had another week....
Yes, and the fuuny thing is that the premiere is not delayed in Bulgaria and i took the opportunity and i have tickets for friday!
I have wached a brief trailer, i dont want to spoil the fun of waching the film, must not learn more about it *stops his cursor on his way over the link*
this website needs to require spoiler warnings.
Just say you're giving a spoiler before you do. Out of respect for others.
russianninja
05-25-2006, 10:30 PM
That movie looks sweet its to bad no nightcrawler
frazz
05-25-2006, 11:57 PM
Nightcrawler was the best.
NO NIGHTCRAWLER!
He made X-men II
Prozerran
05-26-2006, 5:32 PM
So, after watching the movie and wondering why I saw a scene with Moira MacTaggert, I began getting angry with the arbitrary addition of noticeable characters with no substantive value. Also, these "deaths" of characters are in large part due to casting problems with Superman Returns. But don't fret, because Xavier isn't dead. He's in the body of the brain-dead guy he was using as an example of ethical use of mutant ability when we saw the video of Moira speaking.
Also, the characters who lost their mutant abilities are slowly regaining them as well, so this vacation for Rogue to get it on with Bobby is only temporary. They could have done much more with the ending as well and bridged the entire movie into another. Unfortunately, this franchise is being too conservative in their approach to these movies. As long as they continue to remain true to the stories and the characters as much as they can (which was NOT the case in this movie by ANY stretch), then they can almost guarantee themselves another film. They had this film set up to just blast the box office through the roof if they had ended the story at Alcatraz BEFORE wolverine does what he does. Continuing the storyline from there could have segwayed the entire movie trilogy into a whole new set of characters, different actors if recasting was needed, and certainly a set up to create NEW X storylines rather than fucking up the ones already out in the universe.
So, overall a great visual feature, the flow and intensity is great right up until the ending, which seems hurried and unfulfilling. Instead, had phoenix truly been established as THE villain for a fourth installment, this franchise would have BANKED BIG TIME! Too bad. Hollywood is anything but thorough in forethought.
dunchy
05-26-2006, 7:12 PM
Was Cyclops actually in this film or just thrown away like in the first two?
russianninja
05-26-2006, 7:32 PM
NO NIGHTCRAWLER!
He made X-men II
nightcrawler owns but he looks stupid in the movies its strange becuase hes in the game though
Prozerran
05-26-2006, 11:14 PM
Was Cyclops actually in this film or just thrown away like in the first two?
No, he was in it briefly. He cried a lot. He found Jean, and then we're informed later that when it cut away, Jean dissintegrated him. Nothing too dramatic, but the effects and the directing were pretty well done from the beginning on. The ending sucked and could have been SO much better. Still worth watching though.
dunchy
05-26-2006, 11:17 PM
No, he was in it briefly. He cried a lot. He found Jean, and then we're informed later that when it cut away, Jean dissintegrated him. Nothing too dramatic, but the effects and the directing were pretty well done from the beginning on. The ending sucked and could have been SO much better. Still worth watching though.
Go figure. I still found X-men 1 and 2 to be the Wolverine show, pretty sad considering Wolvie was an auxilary character from his demeanor. Sad, but expected that the 'leader' of the X-men was just cast aside.
frazz
05-26-2006, 11:18 PM
Priozeran, GIVE A FREAKING SPOILER WARNING!!!!
Darmago
05-26-2006, 11:29 PM
I've got one statement about this movie...
Don't you know who I am? I am the juggernaut bitch!
dunchy
05-26-2006, 11:31 PM
Priozeran, GIVE A FREAKING SPOILER WARNING!!!!
You saw my quote above his post, that's spoiler warning enough.
PROJECT
05-27-2006, 12:03 PM
Yes, and the fuuny thing is that the premiere is not delayed in Bulgaria and i took the opportunity and i have tickets for friday!
I have wached a brief trailer, i dont want to spoil the fun of waching the film, must not learn more about it *stops his cursor on his way over the link*
i saw the movie yesterday with EvilEmpire and im speachless u got to see it !!!
Amen to that, Darmago. That was the greatest.
Prozerran
05-27-2006, 11:31 PM
Warning. Big Spoiler here!!
There's a great many things I liked about this movie, but here's the thing. I'm sitting there the entire movie as they build phoenix up, keeping her behind magneto like a ticking time bomb. The bomb goes off at the end when she's killing everyone and everything, and I'm ready to just cry because it's so well done. Then, wolverine walks up to her and stabs her, and she dies. This absolutely magnificent powerhouse of mutant ability gets stabbed and killed. I'm confused, and while I really want to rationalize that the dual personalities of Jean Grey were at odds with one another - thus giving Wolvering the opportunity to kill her - I cannot ignore that this was the least effective ending they could have possibly concocted. Had this movie ended with her flying away to go feed on a star like she did in the epic saga (or some rational equivolent in context with the other films), this would have put EVERY X-FAN back in the seats for a fourth to see how the XMen will rebuild and prepare for her return.
After seeing the horribly short denoument of this movie, I've got a LOT of questions as to if another will ever be made. I'd be sitting here dreaming about the magnitude of the next movie, and there's nothing hollywood could do to ruin the fourth movie - because the sky's the limit at that point.
So be it. It is what it is.
:D You wish... it does however scream for a forth movie... :cool:
frazz
05-28-2006, 12:28 AM
Warning. Big Spoiler here!!
thankyou, prozerran. thankyou.
it does however scream for a forth movie
ofcourse it dose. How could the awesomeness of X-men not have a sequel?(or a second or third)
Black.Ice
05-28-2006, 1:09 AM
Warning. Big Spoiler here!!
There's a great many things I liked about this movie, but here's the thing. I'm sitting there the entire movie as they build phoenix up, keeping her behind magneto like a ticking time bomb. The bomb goes off at the end when she's killing everyone and everything, and I'm ready to just cry because it's so well done. Then, wolverine walks up to her and stabs her, and she dies. This absolutely magnificent powerhouse of mutant ability gets stabbed and killed. I'm confused, and while I really want to rationalize that the dual personalities of Jean Grey were at odds with one another - thus giving Wolvering the opportunity to kill her - I cannot ignore that this was the least effective ending they could have possibly concocted. Had this movie ended with her flying away to go feed on a star like she did in the epic saga (or some rational equivolent in context with the other films), this would have put EVERY X-FAN back in the seats for a fourth to see how the XMen will rebuild and prepare for her return.
After seeing the horribly short denoument of this movie, I've got a LOT of questions as to if another will ever be made. I'd be sitting here dreaming about the magnitude of the next movie, and there's nothing hollywood could do to ruin the fourth movie - because the sky's the limit at that point.
So be it. It is what it is.
SPOILER WARNING
After seeing the movie, I agree with you. Sort of. I think if they continued the Phoenix saga into the fourth movie, but I think it'd have been overkill. The way they ended it was decent I thought, and really unexpected, which is what I really liked. I thought that Phoenix would be a main element in the fourth movie, but I liked how they ended it here.
When Xavier died, I didn't see that coming as well. I was upset, and I was lost at how they'd continue without him in the fourth installment. Then the ending. It took me a good five minutes to actually piece together the footage / and what he had done. Extremely well done, and I thought it was excellent.
The ending, with Magneto was great. Overall, I thought it was a great movie, however I felt that something was missing. The time was spent between so many characters, you don't feel too involved. Wolverine, Jean, Cyclops, Rogue, Iceman, Storm, Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and a lot more. With so many characters, it felt too distant.
END SPOILERS
I'm a big X-Men fan, and I would've loved the movie even if it was a bunch of stick figures fighting on the big screen for 2 hours. My opinion of the movie is obviously bias, but I recommend this movie to everyone. It wasn't the best movie I've seen, but it was a great action movie. I'm sure that the majority of people will like it.
Kingscrab
05-30-2006, 11:43 AM
It was pretty damn good. I liked the first two better due to the character development aspect, but it's still ownable. Good battle action. :)
B++
EvilEmpire
05-30-2006, 1:00 PM
Ha, that movie made me laugh all the way through it:o
Its like .. a cartoon...
Too.. nah, nvm I dont like that kind of scify anyway:confused:
cmon flame me on!
Maestersaj
05-31-2006, 5:46 AM
lol i didn't watch the hidden clip at the end :( but i thought the movie was really great and well done. my friend was crying when xavier died but it was sad i admit *sniff*
Sikawtic
06-02-2006, 3:48 PM
I'm glad cyclops died. Gayest X-men ever. Anytime he was the main point of a scene in the other movies... I just wanted to fast forward.
I still have to see the movie, but never have read the comic books myself (I watched some of the original X-men cartoons... but that was when I was little), I'm pretty sure I'll like it... with Cyclops dying and all ^_^
*POSSIBLE SPOILERS!*-like it's worth bothering anymore...
I watched it the other day. Very good. I think Cyclops will be back, somehow. They always do that. I was annoyed to find out Psylocke was made into a bit part badguy. That sucked. I also think Angel wasn't really used to his fullest potential.
To be honest, there is a good chance they'll make a 4th one, but I'm sure that they won't ruin it.
XAVIER LIVES ON!
Basan
06-03-2006, 10:15 AM
... I was annoyed to find out Psylocke was made into a bit part badguy. ...
Actually, in the books' story there was a part when she was converted into a bad gal by the Tentacle ninjas if reminded right. :P
Prozerran
06-03-2006, 10:36 AM
I believe that was a clone of Psylocke actually. I remember this long ordeal somewhere when I began picking up the comics. There were apparently mysteries surrounding her origins that were revealed, one of which being that she was cloned and her clone joined some enemy of the XMen. This also involved the Silver Samurai (not sure if this is the right name of the villian), but I don't remember too much about this storyline. It wasn't a very popular storyline anyways.
JoEsMhOe
06-03-2006, 2:25 PM
For those who saw the movie, but did not see the secret ending, here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_Up-7XMs8&search=X%20men%203%20ending
Anyone reconize the voice in the video. X4 will be interesting.
Maestersaj
06-04-2006, 1:39 AM
omgosh!! thanks for that dude i owe you one (Y)
Cool!! I'm gonna go see that movie with Darlene :D
It's gonna be AWESOME! :D :P ;)
Don't forget Becky and D.J. :P
Cookie for the reference. ;)
frazz
06-04-2006, 10:35 PM
SPOILERS(you guys don't even care, do you?)
I feel they really sold out cyclops in all the movies. He was lame and he did nothing. I also think they made magneto into a TOTAL backstabber. "Oh, gee you saved me. Thanks for that. Shame you're not a mutant, now I'll leave you for dead." Plus, what happened to nightcrawler? He was my favorite dude.
Prozerran
06-05-2006, 12:28 AM
Nightcrawler was dropped so they could have Beast. It apparently wasn't in the budget to have both characters.
I think this whole thing could have been planned so much better. I mean really. They needed nine XMen, and they needed a Villian for each Movie. Unfortunately, they sit on this epic battle between Xavier and Magneto, which is only PART of the greater picture. The third should have been Phoenix ALL THE WAY!! None of this, "They want to CURE US..." garbage. It's the Phoenix, the darkest, most dangerous enemy the XMen had to face, and also the most tragic story of the entire universe, IMHO.
But to hell with that, if Hollywood had just stayed with original storylines like they did in the first movie, I would have been so much happier. I mean, let's be honest, who wants to see Hollywood screw up a great comic storyline by putting it on film with different characters, a different plot, AND a different outcome. It's like taking Lord of the Rings and killing off Sam or Aragorn. It's just not true to the story, and if you can't be true to a story that's already been told, then tell your own, original story. Simple.
budgets suck. All the original star wars movies went over budget, and look how great they are.
Spoilers
I think they did a good job leaving the story open for the next movie. Had they made phoenix go feed on a star, the next movie would have a pretty linear storyline. Now with magneto seemingly powerless(not really) and xavier in a new body, along with half the brotherhood mutants dead or powerless, there is a really large area for the writers to work. Since we didn't see what happened to scott, he may still be alive(new story possibilities). Jean is dead, unless she moved her conciousness, but that would be dorky. Mystique is magneto's new worst enemy. Magneto himself will rise up again. Rogue is powerless, which presents a romantic/tragic storyline between her and iceman. The humans can now choose to love or hate mutants. With the golden gate destroyed(sorta) and tons of military personell dead, the writers could either make a new conflict with humans or they could avoid it. The possibilities are endless.
Actually, it's probably quite likely ALL the mutants will get their powers back eventually.
And Proz', you were right. I did recalled that there were two Psylocke's sharing some knowledge pool but didn't recalled much more details upon it. >_<
... Jean is dead, unless she moved her conciousness, but that would be dorky. ...
Not according to the books. Over there we had a total surprise when she was... *Muahaha* nevermind, I'll leave ya to read'em for yourself. :D
Summing up: They should've kept their fingers still and left the story as it was, telling it accordingly. :P
dunchy
06-06-2006, 1:12 AM
*Spoilers*
Not according to the books...
Good Grief, there's still references or appearances by Jean in the X-men world, look at Joss's Astonishing X-men series and Warsong, both for example.
I did manage to watch this film however, and it was just disgusting for me.
You've got mutants with names/powers all messed up.
You've got Jean, who for no real reason explaigned is all *bad* was just unexceptable. I'm never going to nitpick on a directors reason not to explain certain events in a characters mind, but the warping effect that Ratner did on the character known as Jean Grey was just unacceptable. Let's recap, but this is going to be a short version.
For those here who arn't interested or have not read the Phoenix saga, Jean Grey saves the X-men's lives when an entity known as the Phoenix merges with her. Then Jean/Phoenix is corrupted by a bad guy group known as the Hellfire club. Phoenix eats a star, killing 5 billion (I think it's around there) and Xaviers whore hears about it, and decides it's best to kill it.
X-men fight whore, all but Cyclops and Phoenix are left...Jean decides to blow herself up, saving all because Whore was going to blow up whole Solar System. Damn Whore. That's the quick recap. Notice through that whole ramble there was a reason Jean went nuts though? In the movie category, Jean just comes back *bad* with a slew of personality problems. Did the Phoenix just give her Skitzo-ness or something like that? I know that in the beginning of the film we flash back to Xavier with makeup and Jean has issues, but it just didn't stick. Especially not after the first 2 films.
Not to mention, Jean really has 2 parts in the film that are noteworthy: Making Xavier make that queer grin (which really made me laugh) and the magic show she did on the military/alcatraz. Both of those scenes together lasted a good 15 minutes if that. The reason there's such little screentime is the condensed clutter found in the film.
There's just far too damn many mutants in this film who should have been cut. That asian who's power is spikes (2 minutes)? Kitty Pryde and her 2 minutes(and uhh...she's supposed to be with God Damned Colossus Brett) and even Mystique seemed out of place. Angel had his 5 minutes of fame, if that. Leech had 3. Cyclops had 1, and a pathetic 'man to man' talk with Wolverine, which lasted 1. Xavier had 7. On and on we go...see my point folks? Because there's so many rapid changes that happened in the film, my eyes began to hurt with the constant switching that happened here. As a result, character development (which was the most important factor to the comics) is just lost in translation and made way for *Boom*. Ratners way of saying "hey I can direct, did you see Rush Hour 2???"
Next off was just how sad the film turned into, once again: "The wolverine movie" TM. He's now running the Institute. He's training the kids. He's shouting battle commands! The guy sure changes very quick from a so called "Animal" to a leader. Even Storm made way for him. I just can't stand that kind of directing.
I can see...scratch that. I know for a fact there will be another X-men movie. For ^%@!'s sake people, it's the second highest money making film of all time on opening day. Cyclops will have fired at Jean and ran away. Magneto's getting his powers back-look at the chess board, pieces are moved, chairs nicely tucked in. Xavier is in another body. When the next X-men comes out though.
- I want a better actor for Cyclops.
- I need a capable director.
- Tighten up the story.
- Get Gambit, have the love stories correct - Colossus/Pryde, Gambit/Rogue, Iceman/His hand.
- Don't have Apocolapse/Sentinel < would look Retarded on movie.
- Don't turn the show into a 'wolverine and friends' special.
No time for spellcheck grammar checks, I have to wake up at a wonderful 4:50AM and pick a guy up called Forrest for work.
Oh, and shame on you posters who thought this film really followed the comics so well.
Doombringer64
06-06-2006, 8:40 AM
All I'm going to say is it beats sending him into space.
Although I'm not a major comic buff, I agree with Dunchy. I enjoyed the film alot, but it was missing Gambit :) I also agree that we need more devlopment. The problem was that an entire SAGA was condensed into 2 hours. It doesn't do the whole 'epic' thing justice. Also, Cyclops was killed off for something to do with him being Superman in the new film they are making, which I will REFUSE to watch.
btw, I hope i didn't say the film followed the comic well...:S
Basically, the films take the stories form the comics, chop them up a bit, bastardize them, etc. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't, sometimes it just keeps the comic newbs who only know a little bit content (al a me...)
I was really pissed of about them messing up Psylocke though. I only know her because she was in a game, X-Men acadmey 2, I think, and she kicked ass in it (I was young, I'm sure the game ACTUALLY sucks).
Havoc would be interesting. Gambit MUST be in 4 if they make it. Not sure whether Mystique will come back to Magneto, they kinda screwed that one up.
Basically though, McKellen and Stewart will save any X-men film.
Brit actors FTW :D
Wick3d
06-06-2006, 9:44 PM
X2>x3>x1
Imo
Prozerran
06-06-2006, 11:22 PM
Good Grief, there's still references or appearances by Jean in the X-men world, look at Joss's Astonishing X-men series and Warsong, both for example.
Let me flex my XFan Muscle here... Astonishing XMen was an alternate universe, Age of Apocalypse comic. Let's try the Executioner's Song or the Onslaught Saga for crying out loud. Much better examples than alternate universes.
I did manage to watch this film however, and it was just disgusting for me.
You've got mutants with names/powers all messed up.
You've got Jean, who for no real reason explaigned is all *bad* was just unexceptable. I'm never going to nitpick on a directors reason not to explain certain events in a characters mind, but the warping effect that Ratner did on the character known as Jean Grey was just unacceptable.
Well, the explanation was that Jean has always battled with her darker, more powerful nature, rather than battling her darker, more powerful possessing entity. It actually explained things rather well, IMO.
Let's recap, but this is going to be a short version.
For those here who arn't interested or have not read the Phoenix saga, Jean Grey saves the X-men's lives when an entity known as the Phoenix merges with her. Then Jean/Phoenix is corrupted by a bad guy group known as the Hellfire club. Phoenix eats a star, killing 5 billion (I think it's around there) and Xaviers whore hears about it, and decides it's best to kill it.
X-men fight whore, all but Cyclops and Phoenix are left...Jean decides to blow herself up, saving all because Whore was going to blow up whole Solar System. Damn Whore. That's the quick recap. Notice through that whole ramble there was a reason Jean went nuts though? In the movie category, Jean just comes back *bad* with a slew of personality problems. Did the Phoenix just give her Skitzo-ness or something like that? I know that in the beginning of the film we flash back to Xavier with makeup and Jean has issues, but it just didn't stick. Especially not after the first 2 films.
Nice summary, I couldn't have done better myself. I still don't think this necessarily deviates from the mental connection between the Jean/Phoenix in the comic and the Jean/Phoenix bipolar mentality in the movie. Both seem distinctly similar and connecting themes in the stories.
Not to mention, Jean really has 2 parts in the film that are noteworthy: Making Xavier make that queer grin (which really made me laugh) and the magic show she did on the military/alcatraz. Both of those scenes together lasted a good 15 minutes if that. The reason there's such little screentime is the condensed clutter found in the film.
Agreed with regards to Xavier. He didn't die in the saga, and he certainly never died like this in the comic unless I missed something. I did like how Jean became this "ticking time bomb" that went off on Alcatraz. I just don't think she went off big enough, since there was no real destruction other than the alcatraz island, no global kind of threat really displayed. It could have ended in either one of two ways:
Xavier transferred his consciousness into Jean rather than the old veggie in Moira's research facility, and with her help contained the Phoenix in her mind, returning Cyclops and Xavier to their physical forms instead of leaving all three dead. Now each character has to be resurrected or otherwise leaped back in with so and so "ran away"...
The movie ended with Phoenix in full power and force flying away to gorge on a star and kill some things. At least then, Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Xavier could return in the next movie under an extended storyline.There's just far too damn many mutants in this film who should have been cut. That asian who's power is spikes (2 minutes)? Kitty Pryde and her 2 minutes(and uhh...she's supposed to be with God Damned Colossus Brett) and even Mystique seemed out of place. Angel had his 5 minutes of fame, if that. Leech had 3. Cyclops had 1, and a pathetic 'man to man' talk with Wolverine, which lasted 1. Xavier had 7. On and on we go...see my point folks? Because there's so many rapid changes that happened in the film, my eyes began to hurt with the constant switching that happened here. As a result, character development (which was the most important factor to the comics) is just lost in translation and made way for *Boom*. Ratners way of saying "hey I can direct, did you see Rush Hour 2???"
Next off was just how sad the film turned into, once again: "The wolverine movie" TM. He's now running the Institute. He's training the kids. He's shouting battle commands! The guy sure changes very quick from a so called "Animal" to a leader. Even Storm made way for him. I just can't stand that kind of directing.
Agreed. Moving on.
I can see...scratch that. I know for a fact there will be another X-men movie. For ^%@!'s sake people, it's the second highest money making film of all time on opening day. Cyclops will have fired at Jean and ran away. Magneto's getting his powers back-look at the chess board, pieces are moved, chairs nicely tucked in. Xavier is in another body. When the next X-men comes out though.
- I want a better actor for Cyclops.
- I need a capable director.
- Tighten up the story.
- Get Gambit, have the love stories correct - Colossus/Pryde, Gambit/Rogue, Iceman/His hand.
- Don't have Apocolapse/Sentinel < would look Retarded on movie.
- Don't turn the show into a 'wolverine and friends' special.
Not bad ideas, though I disagree with the Apocalypse/Sentinel sentiments. Apocalypse is a major player, and it would be great to see Magneto take a movie off. Sometimes it's just good to refresh the antagonist in these sequel movies.
No time for spellcheck grammar checks, I have to wake up at a wonderful 4:50AM and pick a guy up called Forrest for work.
Oh, and shame on you posters who thought this film really followed the comics so well.
I don't believe anyone thought this movie came close to the comics. I think a lot of important points were achieved, but at the expense of smaller more intricate details and a poorly rushed ending to fit the alotted time limit for the movie. Overall great assessment, I must say.
frazz
06-06-2006, 11:39 PM
Not according to the books. Over there we had a total surprise when she was... *Muahaha* nevermind, I'll leave ya to read'em for yourself.
yes yes, but the movie doesn't follow the comics anyway.
Things they MUST do in X men 4
- Make cyclops less lame, he was horrible in all the movies
- Get gambit, nightcrawler and maybe a couple others back
- Remove all the lame mutants. This kinda works since most were killed off in the movie, as long as they don't add new ones, it'll be fine.
- Mystique totally does magneto in, or at least does not come back to him.
- Give angel a good story or don't use him at all.
- Better directing.
Even with all these faults, the movie still pwned.
dunchy
06-11-2006, 1:25 PM
And here I am thinking this thread was dead, thanks Proz for keeping it alive :)
Let me flex my XFan Muscle here... Astonishing XMen was an alternate universe, Age of Apocalypse comic. Let's try the Executioner's Song or the Onslaught Saga for crying out loud. Much better examples than alternate universes.
Umm, I didn't really understand what you meant there. Are you saying that Astonishing Xmen was a offshoot of the Age of Apocalypse series? The point I was trying to show was the overused Phoenix references all over with all the X-men series. It may have been the best moment of X-men history with Jean Gray's death, but having her rise/fall over and over is just getting hard to stomach. It's like a crutch of bad writing, if you have writers block or problems in the script; 'hey lets bring out Phoenix!' it seems.
The onslaught saga was amazing, from what little I read. There's very few comics stores around, and everywhere I've checked doesn't have that series around. There is a lot of ground to cover with Onslaught though. He's been one of the better abstract creations of the x-men universe. Good idea with Onslaught, too bad the chances of the villan happening are slim to none.
Well, the explanation was that Jean has always battled with her darker, more powerful nature, rather than battling her darker, more powerful possessing entity. It actually explained things rather well, IMO.
It works, but there's no continuality from the first or second film. If Jean had mental problems established within the first two films, I could easily agee. But a 5 minute intro is to try and explaign it all? Plus an extremely anti-climatic ending just left a bitter taste into my mouth as a whole. Any sort of continuation of the film just ended. Like that. But knowing Ratners style (if he's the next director) he'll just pull Phoenix out of the grave. Was the word Phoenix even said in the film at all though?
Nice summary, I couldn't have done better myself. I still don't think this necessarily deviates from the mental connection between the Jean/Phoenix in the comic and the Jean/Phoenix bipolar mentality in the movie. Both seem distinctly similar and connecting themes in the stories.
I think I was just going for continuality shown in the comics to abruptness of the film. With the comics pace it was easy for me to understand and let sink in the reasons for Jean Gray's evil side. With the movie, it was next to impossible to see why and how for this change whilst cameo's from far too many characters and scene switching happening.
Jean flashes every half hour into the film going 'I'm bad, I'm bad, you know it, I'm bad' and then flashing out. That 10 minute ending and thats it. When I watch a film I need to have some time for character developement. That's what the comic X-men had tremendously, while the movie didn't.
Agreed with regards to Xavier. He didn't die in the saga, and he certainly never died like this in the comic unless I missed something. I did like how Jean became this "ticking time bomb" that went off on Alcatraz. I just don't think she went off big enough, since there was no real destruction other than the alcatraz island, no global kind of threat really displayed. It could have ended in either one of two ways:
Xavier transferred his consciousness into Jean rather than the old veggie in Moira's research facility, and with her help contained the Phoenix in her mind, returning Cyclops and Xavier to their physical forms instead of leaving all three dead. Now each character has to be resurrected or otherwise leaped back in with so and so "ran away"...
The movie ended with Phoenix in full power and force flying away to gorge on a star and kill some things. At least then, Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Xavier could return in the next movie under an extended storyline.
Good points, the real problem with the next film is the time that's going to take to resurrect these characters and establish the mutants gaining their power instead of losing them. Having 1/2 an hour dedicated to bringing back these characters could bore movie goers, but what needs to be done needs to be done.
Not bad ideas, though I disagree with the Apocalypse/Sentinel sentiments. Apocalypse is a major player, and it would be great to see Magneto take a movie off. Sometimes it's just good to refresh the antagonist in these sequel movies.
Mmm. I liked Apocalypse, but with powers and his head and that damn voice, I think audience members would just laugh how he's established as the villan. He was (and I saw was) a great character to the comics for some time, albeit now he's laughable and stale as a villan. I'd fear a director would not understand his character and just display 'the survival of the fittest' part of him.
There were people laughing at how stupid that sentinel battle was displayed, so I can't imagine the horror of the next feature film with those robots. For a villan, mastermold was just plain stupid. They might be good as an auxillary force in the next movie, but jeeeze, don't overdo those things.
I don't believe anyone thought this movie came close to the comics. I think a lot of important points were achieved, but at the expense of smaller more intricate details and a poorly rushed ending to fit the alotted time limit for the movie. Overall great assessment, I must say.
It sure works that way with comics to movies doesn't it? I had such great expectations for the third x-men movie, but since I'm such an xfan, nothing at all lived up. If I went with low expectations maybe I would have been impressed more. Maybe I thought character developement which was so key to the x-mens survival would not be in this film and traded for more action, sure. My little quip about bashing kids who thought the film followed the comic wasen't directed at anyone in direct, but I've seen kids on many forum stating the film was "just lkie the comics". In those words. I just want Ratner to stay with his Rush hour series.
Hmm, Onslaught.
But knowing Ratners style (if he's the next director) he'll just pull Phoenix out of the grave. Was the word Phoenix even said in the film at all though?
You people seriously are dissecting the move way to much. At least its better then some of the other bullshit comic-movies released.
And yeah, Xavier said Pheonix a couple times.
Poor Stewart, he can't play Xavier anymore :(
Oh, and someone said something about Xavier and Magneto merging -- dude fuck you whoever you are. You confused the shit outta me.
I doubt they will ressurect Pheonix/Jean, at least I hope not.
And why was someone bitching about Wolverine taking over the school? Dude did you like sleep through half the movie or what? Storm is the one who is in charge now.
The next movie has got to involve Apocalypse, and more ArchAngel (angel? wtv his name is), more nightcrawler, or failing that, fucking give us Gambit.
Mystique loosing her powers is lame -- whether it happens in the comics or not (I was a fanatic xman cartoon follower, but never got into comics) -- she was one of my favorite xmen.
And, am I mistaken, but wtf was wrong with the Juggernaught? wasn't he X's half-brother or something?
Oh well.
-Neo
Doombringer64
06-11-2006, 8:46 PM
The next movie has got to involve Apocalypse, and more Archangel (angel? wtv his name is), more nightcrawler, or failing that, fucking give us Gambit.
I really want to see Apocalypse. And Warren was his name until Apocalypse turns him into Archangel. Ironically Apocalypse should have been in this film since the cure was Apocalypse's cover to create his horsemen.
And, am I mistaken, but wtf was wrong with the Juggernaught? wasn't he X's half-brother or something?
Most the characters have been bastardized. Sabertooth in the first movie had his character raped (that really pissed me off) and it was Juggernaught's turn in this movie.
Demon_Child
06-12-2006, 12:13 AM
Mystique loosing her powers is lame -- whether it happens in the comics or not (I was a fanatic xman cartoon follower, but never got into comics) -- she was one of my favorite xmen.
Technically, Mystique never was an X-man per se', though she did work for Xavier a little in the comics but her heart belongs to the Brotherhood of (Evil) Mutants seeing as how she was one of the founding members. However, her power loss was merely temporary near the end of the movie before the credits as magneto started to regain his powers again. Mother to both Nightcrawler and Rogue (in the comics) though Rogue resents her absolutely.
Prozerran
06-12-2006, 1:15 AM
It sure works that way with comics to movies doesn't it? I had such great expectations for the third x-men movie, but since I'm such an xfan, nothing at all lived up. If I went with low expectations maybe I would have been impressed more. Maybe I thought character developement which was so key to the x-mens survival would not be in this film and traded for more action, sure. My little quip about bashing kids who thought the film followed the comic wasen't directed at anyone in direct, but I've seen kids on many forum stating the film was "just like [sic] the comics". In those words. I just want Ratner to stay with his Rush hour series.
Hmm, Onslaught.
Yeah, the Onslaught series occurred with reference to a few key storylines in the comic series that all ended up merging into this one huge universal threat. Basically, Bishop comes from the future to warn the XMen of a horrific future without the leadership of Xavier and that someone will betray the XMen.
Then, when Magneto gets all comfy on his Asteroid M and wreaks havoc killings hundreds of thousands of people with some electromagnetic blast, Xavier gets pissed and accompanies the XMen in some suit that helps him walk. They go to Asteroid M, fight Magneto, and Wolverine ends up getting his adamantium ripped out by Magneto. This pisses Xavier off more, so Xavier takes Magneto's mind from him... in doing so manifesting the physical form of Onslaught (which had previously laid dormant, trapped in the Astral Plane).
So, then Onslaught breaks lose, traps Juggernaut in the Gem of Cytorak and attacks the XMen, who barely escape death. Anywho, you can read about it here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onslaught_%28comics%29)
Anyways, I can see them adapting this storyline rather sluggishly to the movie screen, but what the hell? I mean, they've screwed up the Phoenix Saga enough, I wouldn't put it past them to make another Wolverine and Friends movie with Onslaught as the main villain and Magneto coming to save the day like he did in X2. Whatever.
dunchy
06-12-2006, 1:15 AM
You people seriously are dissecting the move way to much. At least its better then some of the other bullshit comic-movies released.
You do it with Nintendo, we do it with movies. Don't come in with half knowledge on the subject with a starting sentence "You people seriously are dissecting the movie way to much." It makes anyone who follows the thread view you as a dipshit.
And yeah, Xavier said Pheonix a couple times.
Thanks!
Poor Stewart, he can't play Xavier anymore :(
Who says? You know what movies are like today. Any series/actors that contribute to revenue for movie companies will stick around. Believe me, if Patrick Stewart sees a 25 Million paycheck, he'll easily be back. Scriptwriters will be around to make sure 'somehow' the original Professor X will be displayed again.
Oh, and someone said something about Xavier and Magneto merging -- dude fuck you whoever you are. You confused the shit outta me.
Fuck your stupid here. If you don't know the fucking subject, don't come in this far in!!
http://www.mutanthigh.com/onslaught.html
Read. Think. Put down twinkie. Here's a quote: "Onslaught was created when Professor X, in a moment of foolish arrogance, wiped his nemesis Magneto's mind. Xavier was vulnerable to a dark part a Magneto's psyche that transferred itself back across the telepathic link and hid inside of him. This dark aspect combined with all of Xavier's frustrations and emotions, his own dark side, and gained sentience and independence."
Pretty much a merging eh? Not exactly your dragonball Z stuff, but enough to warrent nonetheless. So let's recap. Someone posted Xavier and Magneto merging. This is what formed one of the best saga's in xhistory. If you just read that and thought that applied to the movie, I'm dead sure you'd see this on every movie site/review board on the internet. I'm also sure you surf around some of them from time to time. Learn man, learn.
I doubt they will ressurect Pheonix/Jean, at least I hope not.
Ditto. Let it die, but with the writers and Ratner at the helm? Nothing is certain.
And why was someone bitching about Wolverine taking over the school? Dude did you like sleep through half the movie or what? Storm is the one who is in charge now.
Yeah, but did she even speak in the movie? Dude did you even have ears? Other then her little conversation with X - that was about it. It was Wolverine who was shouting orders at the end of the film "STAND YOUR GROUND!!" It was wolverine who was shouting orders in the Danger room. It was the Wolverine show at the school man. On paper it should have been Storm, but applied in the movie? Far different.
The next movie has got to involve Apocalypse, and more ArchAngel (angel? wtv his name is), more nightcrawler, or failing that, fucking give us Gambit.
Gambit would be nice to see. Read my post again on why Ap. would be a bad choice.
Mystique loosing her powers is lame -- whether it happens in the comics or not (I was a fanatic xman cartoon follower, but never got into comics) -- she was one of my favorite xmen.
Never liked her. Never liked Toad either. Both those villans could have been replaced in the movie (s) and I'd be set.
And, am I mistaken, but wtf was wrong with the Juggernaught? wasn't he X's half-brother or something?
Everything.
-A 900lb human doesn't look like that.
-He's not a mutant.
-He doesn't have an accent.
-He is related to Xavier.
-Shame there wasen't a scene of him beating the shit out of Colossus like in the comic.
Technically, Mystique never was an X-man per se', though she did work for Xavier a little in the comics but her heart belongs to the Brotherhood of (Evil) Mutants seeing as how she was one of the founding members. However, her power loss was merely temporary near the end of the movie before the credits as magneto started to regain his powers again. Mother to both Nightcrawler and Rogue (in the comics) though Rogue resents her absolutely.
She's now an 'official' X-man. She's also completly reformed. Go figure eh?
dunchy I was referring to someone who said the bonus clip had something to do with X and Magneto merging, when in fact it was just X taking over that one dude with no conciousness. And magneto regaining partial powers... Thats all I meant.
Yeah, I meant mutant (refering to Mystique).
Storm was busy getting her ask kicked by that Flash-Wannabe chick. Barring that though, does storm talk while she manipulating the weather anyways?
As for the dissecting comment, I only meant it in the general way. Even I don't dissect things that much =/ But I see it happen on any movie that someone is really into (ie: spiderman fans pissed at the movies, xmen fans ditto, etc...).
dunchy are you going through withdrawal or something? You seem awefully confrontational.
Oh, and one more thing:
Cyclops was a fucking disgrace. I mean his mutant power was already messed up and funky to begin with, but they completely fucked him over =/
-Neo
Prozerran
06-12-2006, 3:05 AM
Ok, let's keep this discussion light, friendly, and entertaining (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/218160)
When you get there, click "watch the movie", sit back with a coke and let's reminisce on why Professor X, Cyclops, and Jean are a far cry from dead.
I laughed, I cried, and I think I might have woken my neighbor at three in the morning. At any rate, enjoy!!
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I second that, the guy who makes those is great.
Go on, click on the link, I dares ya...
I should go dig up some old XMen cartoons and stick them on kupatrix or something XD
-Neo
The_Maker
06-12-2006, 6:35 PM
Well, not digging too far into X-men storyline and comics (I need to get some sleep) I didn't enjoy the film. There were far too many explosions and deaths and not enough character developement/story. There were numerous plot holes, and I am assuming that is either because I haven't read any of the comics or because I didn't see the first film but like wtf? They killed off/removed 6-7 main characters and their powers, added in 6-7 new ones, had the new ones beat up some stuff then die or live happily ever after. I mean what happened with Angel and his Dad? All we see is him save his dead from falling to his death then that's it. What the heck happened to NightCrawler and where the $*(&)@*( is he during all of this?! Why did Pyro just randomly die (despite all of his tough guy appearances) from being hit by Iceman in his ice form? Why did Juggernaught die because he ran into a wall without his powers? I mean seriously, with a helmet that *()*()^&*(ing big I highly doub trunning into a wall full speed would kill you. And why does Jean/Phoenix return to her home yet we have no sign of the parents? Did they die? Did she kill them and we are supposed to figure that out? Did they move and she just came into some person's house? And WHY exactly did they use a different actor for the president? Gah, there are many more but I won't take the time to list them right now.
My personal opinion it was aimed more about blowing things up and killing things rather than any real character developement or story advancement or continuity from the first two films. :/
Demon_Child
06-14-2006, 5:50 AM
I could only wonder as to how the movie would have been like if someone like Peter Jackson was the director for X-men 3.
I could only wonder as to how the movie would have been like if someone like Peter Jackson was the director for X-men 3.
Epic, but also long-winded and boring in parts with a set of needless homo-erotic undertones.
LOTR ftw.
The_Maker
06-14-2006, 4:19 PM
LOTR is NOT homo-erotic :P
Bah, now I'm derailing the thread :/
LOTR is NOT homo-erotic :P
Bah, now I'm derailing the thread :/
The movie definetly had some homo-undertones.
-Neo
Demon_Child
06-15-2006, 7:15 AM
Though it couldn't have been any worse then what Ratner has already done with it.
LOTR is NOT homo-erotic
Bah, now I'm derailing the thread :/
Though it couldn't have been any worse then what Ratner has already done with it.
I dunno, the idea of a Sam-Frodo union between Wolverine and Cyclops...*shudders*
Still, at least we'd know who'd be on top :P
(Oh...that was disgusting...I apologise in advance)
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