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Schwitzer
05-12-2006, 6:13 AM
President Bush’s job-approval rating has fallen to its lowest mark of his presidency, according to a new Harris Interactive poll. Of 1,003 U.S. adults surveyed in a telephone poll, 29% think Mr. Bush is doing an “excellent or pretty good” job as president, down from 35% in April and significantly lower than 43% in January.
Roughly one-quarter of U.S. adults say “things in the country are going in the right direction,” while 69% say “things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track.” This trend has declined every month since January, when 33% said the nation was heading in the right direction. Iraq remains a key concern for the general public, as 28% of Americans said they consider Iraq to be one of the top two most important issues the government should address, up from 23% in April. The immigration debate also prompted 16% of Americans to consider it a top issue, down from 19% last month, but still sharply higher from 4% in March.
The Harris poll comes two days after a downbeat assessement of Bush in a New York Times/CBS News poll. The Times, in analyzing the results, said “Americans have a bleaker view of the country’s direction than at any time in more than two decades.”
Source (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/05/11/bushs-approval-ratings/)
Congratulations on catching up with the views of the rest of the world is all I've got to say.
The_Maker
05-12-2006, 12:09 PM
Yay somebody likes bush! :O
/shock and awe
For perspective
Truman, 22%, 14 Feb 1952 *All time low.
Eisenhower, 48%, 1 Apr 1958
Kennedy, 56%, 17 Sep 1963
Johnson, 35%, 12 Aug 1968
Nixon, 23%., 7 Jan 1974
Carter, 28%, 2 Jul 1979
Reagan, 35%, 31 Jan 1983
Bush (GHW), 29%, 2 Aug 1992
Clinton, 37%, 6 Jun 1993
The fact is there are simply too many negatives occurring at one point in time. Gas prices, the war in Iraq, Social Security, gay rights, immigration reform, etc, etc, etc. Some of these issues are directly attributable to the President, others are simply attributed to his Presidency based on popular opinion.
On the positive side, the economy is growing, the Dow Jones is set to break it's all time high and unemployment is at record lows. Sadly, these things are not being attributed to Bush since the spotlight is elsewhere, like Iraq.
We have two more years to make up some ground and fix some of the wrongs. But I have a feeling Bush will leave office with very similar approval ratings.
hammocksleeper
05-12-2006, 12:38 PM
so he's better than richard nixon and jimmy carter. that's not saying very much, nuts. ;)
frazz
05-12-2006, 12:52 PM
I wonder if that telephone poll counted hang-ups as negative.
We have to be happy with the fact that approval ratings never go much above 50 percent.(exceptions being great, great presidents)
Also, nuts is right, the nation is looking pretty negative right now, and that's not because of the president(entirely).
All gays hate bush.
Most democrats hate bush.
Anyone who hates texas hates bush.
Pro abortions hate bush.
GenocideAlive
05-12-2006, 1:02 PM
The fact is there are simply too many negatives occurring at one point in time. Gas prices, the war in Iraq, Social Security, gay rights, immigration reform, etc, etc, etc. Some of these issues are directly attributable to the President, others are simply attributed to his Presidency based on popular opinion.
Of these, gay rights, immigration reform, and the war on Iraq most definitely have links with the President. However, I'm not entirely sure that his approval is appropriately linked in some places.
On the positive side, the economy is growing, the Dow Jones is set to break it's all time high and unemployment is at record lows. Sadly, these things are not being attributed to Bush since the spotlight is elsewhere, like Iraq.
This is sort of the sad part, that this is sort of the retarded progeny of two cousins mating that everyone pretends they don't see or hear. The economy is doing extremely well, and the only time that it was better was when the computer boom hit. Of course, Clinton got credit for the economy in that one, but we all love a double standard. For reference, please see the Iran-Bush comparison in the DE thread in which DE labels Bush the devil and his supporters idiots because he supposedly lies. Once the tables were turned and we were talking about Iran, suddenly they had some sort of inalieable rights and a "two wrongs make a right" thing going on that made it OK.
My problem with Bush is that he never knows when to abandon something that's not working or try something different. It was an admirable trait 6 years ago, but it's grown into a gigantic problem that's almost impossible to ignore every time you hear the man speak. It's like a huge boil on the side of his face; you can't help but be drawn to the fact that he's constantly "fighting the nay-sayers" and "staying the course" as though he's noble for doing so.
It's like, "staying the course" when we're basically sailing into a 3000ft. whirlpool and "fighting the nay-sayers" that say sailing into a whirlpool is stupid and unnecessary.
Yes, I think we should have kicked ass in Iraq, no, I don't think we should still be there, yes, I think we did what we came to do, and no, I don't give a monkey fuck about the stability of that region anymore. They've been fucking fighting for a thousand years and if they want to keep fighting for another thousand, all we're doing is pissing money away trying to stop them.
The Palestinians got a terrorist group as their government, the Israelites are gearing up for war, and Iran is quickly attempting to gain nuclear weapons for the fight with Israel. Even if they don't, the threat of them making nuclear weapons appears enough to gain them a ridiculous economic boon from countries that would like to keep atomic weapons out of their hands. Any expenditure on our part in the Middle East is going to be a high-risk low-yield venture.
Bush "staying the course" is murdering his approval ratings, and for good reason. We're no longer accomplishing anything worth a damn and whatever happens from here on out is and should be largely determined by the Iraqis. And if Bush doesn't figure this out before he leaves office, a Democrat is going to win the Presidency by a landslide and pull the plug on his vision (or hallucination) expediciously.
Anyway, my political diatribe.
so he's better than richard nixon and jimmy carter. that's not saying very much, nuts. ;)
No, but it's not the horror that everyone is trying to depict either. I was simply putting it into perspective as should be done with any statistic.
But remember, the 29% are the only ones that really matter. The rest are just Islamo-fascist Ultra liberal-communist baby eating flag burning free health care advocating queers. ;) So, that means his approval rating is 100%! :D
It could be worse... Bush could always rig the elections for his brother...
I saw a T-Shirt on the web... it read...
Vote Boobs... we've already had eight years of Bush... I laughed... then I was smacked for it... memo to self, do not look at anti govenment crap while in a government office.
Veeger
05-12-2006, 2:12 PM
That shirt would certainly put things into a different perspective, wouldn't it? lol
Aya, I realize that was meant as a joke -- but it was in pretty bad taste. Just fyi
President Bush's problem is similar to the problem President Carter had. Federal politics is very different from State politics, and nearly any president who comes directly from a State political office (such as Governer) is going to have difficulty adjusting to the different environment. You simply can't run the Federal government like you do your State government.
Bill Clinton realized this, and made a point of doing as little as he had to during his Presidency, and because he had no political foul-ups (it's hard to have a foul up when you're not doing anything of real importance), his presidency is hailed as a success.
B.A.Baracus
05-12-2006, 2:20 PM
I think Bush is doing an exceptional job.......at instigating WW3.
Looks like it don't it? Pissing off Iran, while our forces are split between Afghanistan and Iraq... hmm... funny how we're picking fights with only Muslim and Arab countries.
I guess he does want to finish his fathers’ legacy… then again… they still have another Bush to go… god… I love my job… but man… I have a few administration complaints…
Explain to me how "we" are pissing off Iran.
At last check, it was the United Nations that was demanding inspections and compliance with the non-proliferation treaty.
Iran has yet to comply with any demands except for the inspections. They refuse to give up any information about their Nuclear Program except for that it's friendly. And Bush just isn’t that nice of a guy when it comes to asking for stuff from other people... look what happened in Iraq... he asked... and attacked after not being SATISFIED with the results of the UN investigations.
Although I’m reading a clip from CNN stating that Iranian President is going to go to the talks, and strike a deal. All this is just asking for WWIII, plain and simple…
Lumosa_Brood
05-12-2006, 3:22 PM
i still say that the hispanics should just take over cause we dont make mistakes...
Snot, you said that the President is pissing off Iran. I asked you to explain how we were doing this and and you responded with a hypothetical.
Let's recap
Snot: "we're pissing off Iran."
Nuts: "how?"
Snot: "cause we did it to Iraq."
Lumosa_Brood
05-12-2006, 3:34 PM
by pissing them off i am sure snot meant america is having esculating tensions with iran
B.A.Baracus
05-12-2006, 3:42 PM
WW3 is so close and Im still not enlisted yet, I need a GED or a damn diploma NOW.
by pissing them off i am sure snot meant america is having esculating tensions with iran
And what of the escalating tensions between Iran, Germany, United Kingdom and France? It's interesting how we only hear what we want to hear when it suits our agenda.
"Bush did this, Bush did that, Bush robbed my parents at gunpoint and shot them behind the theater."
The past does not equal the future, and it would be wise if everyone considered that before jumping to conclusions based on past events. This is not Iraq.
Events from our past, pave way for the future. For better or worse…
Does that ring a bell? Or does it sound better the way people have taken it lately. Choices made in the past have great consequences in the future. I’m sure you’ve heard that in some form or another, and it’s something you should remember from now on.
What we, the United States, did in Iraq, was to not allow the UN to find any evidence or lack there of, of illegal weapons, or WMD. I do pay attention to the news and to my own reports there Neo. And from what I’m seeing, we’re following the same path with the situation in Iran. The US is not giving adequate time for the UN to do their job, and instead, are jumping the gun on possible military intrusion to stop the use of Nuclear weapons against us and other countries.
Yet another preemptive strike to thwart Terrorism, idealist, and radical rouge groups who threaten the freedom of others world wide.
Bush is not allowing any to question his actions by backing them with the protection of freedom speech. This is seen in the wire tapings of the NSA, as well as the unauthorized listening devices of the CIA and other intelligence agencies.
His major problem, is that all this leaked out to the public, and has sparked questions in the rest of nation, as well as his use of the US military to take over two nations already, and why fears are high of a third (Iran), because no one will stop him. And this why I think his numbers are so low.
kongurous
05-12-2006, 5:35 PM
i still say that the hispanics should just take over cause we dont make mistakes...
Much in the same way all Asiatics have small penises.
*sides with GA*
The I guess we're lucky it wasn't up to you then GA. That's not exactly the best way to be welcoming back one of our best members.
kongurous
05-12-2006, 5:36 PM
The I guess we're lucky it wasn't up to you then GA. That's not exactly the best way to be welcoming back one of our best members.
You're siding with lumosa after a decidedly racist comment? Hm... I thought you marines were smarter than that.
Don't you dare play the lecturing angel, Squid. Devil Dogs bite back... :cool:
I've known Lumosa for a long ass time, I know her, she's like that sometimes, and I know she was kidding... besides... I've seen far worse racist crap come from the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force. Lumosa is a tamed cat in comparisons to the shit I hear from us…
But that’s all off topic…
[SIZE=2]And from what I’m seeing, we’re following the same path with the situation in Iran. The US is not giving adequate time for the UN to do their job, and instead, are jumping the gun on possible military intrusion to stop the use of Nuclear weapons against us and other countries.
There have been no public threats of invasion, war or other military options, period. The United Nations is actively seeking a solution to this ordeal, and until such time that you hear otherwise, it would be wise not to make rash judgments.
Yet another preemptive strike to thwart Terrorism, idealist, and radical rouge groups who threaten the freedom of others world wide.
Yes another radical assumption with no basis in fact.
Bush is not allowing any to question his actions by backing them with the protection of freedom speech. This is seen in the wire tapping's of the NSA, as well as the unauthorized listening devices of the CIA and other intelligence agencies.
Huh? What do wire taps have to do with freedom of speech? Admittedly, the wire tap debacle is still under scrutiny, but this has little if anything to do with our plans for Iran.
GenocideAlive
05-12-2006, 6:03 PM
I've known Lumosa for a long ass time, I know her, she's like that sometimes, and I know she was kidding...besides...I've seen far worse racist crap come from the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force. Lumosa is a tamed cat in comparisons to the shit I hear from us…
/end Two Wrongs Make A Right fallacy. Tell me, Snot, can she take responsibility for her actions or should we just pass the buck because she's your friend? Or maybe none of us should acknowledge that we noticed a member's gross racist comments because "you really know her" and she was "just kidding".
Thus far her return has featured her posting a picture of herself then a glut of one-liners and now racism. I guess narcissistic self-promotion and spam now merits one the tag of "one of WB's best members".
She should count herself lucky for not getting banned again after some mods spot that.
GA... settle down dude. You're going to pop a blood vessel...
I'm not saying I agree with Lumosas’ choice in postings, but I also know a joke when I hear one. Maybe if you took the stick out your ass and lived a little, then you would see it too. I'm not one for racism, in fact, people who are can go to fucking the 7th level of hell for all I care. I know she can take responsibility for her actions, after all she withstood a banning over such a long time.
I'm sure if you didn't bite her head off for something she DID a long ass time ago... then it wouldn't be an issue now, would it? Let sleeping dogs lie or you’ll get a rude awakening.
Now then, let's put this behind us and get back on topic.
GenocideAlive
05-12-2006, 7:04 PM
GA... settle down dude. You're going to pop a blood vessel...I'm not saying I agree with Lumosas’ choice in postings, but I also know a joke when I hear one. Maybe if you took the stick out your ass and lived a little, then you would see it too.
It's not that what she said was inappropriate, it's that I'm a prude. Nice. We should all be more tolerant of slurs, people!! Or we'll accuse you have having a "stick up your ass", anyway.
I'm not one for racism, in fact, people who are can go to fucking the 7th level of hell for all I care. I know she can take responsibility for her actions, after all she withstood a banning over such a long time.
Yes, she nobly withstood a months-long ban in which she had no say. And upon her return, stated that the person that banned her owes her an apology. Yes, noble.
I'm sure if you didn't bite her head off for something she DID a long ass time ago... then it wouldn't be an issue now, would it? Let sleeping dogs lie or you’ll get a rude awakening.
Would you please outline what you're talking about? Because other than the lame, vague threat that you've managed to hackney into the sentence, you're not being very clear.
Now then, let's put this behind us and get back on topic.
Now then, let's actually address the problem instead of making some ambiguous patronizing diatribe and then trying to declare the subject closed.
and in response to nuts who amazingly has the ability to realize that isnt a big issue, i never mention those other countries and their feelings to iran simply because i dont know them personally.
Where did I say this wasn't a big deal?
Can you point that out to me...cause I just...don't ...see...it.
Had you understood my verbiage, you would know that I take this very seriously, so seriously in fact, that I don't like seeing the facts misrepresented as they have been in this thread. You see, taking something seriously doesn't require "OMG we're going to nuke IRAN!!!!!!111111111" Instead, it requires a patient understanding of the events as they unfold, taking into account the media spin, left or right. It also requires a small bit of common sense which comes in handy when you find yourself a keystroke away from saying something stupid on an internet discussion forum. The common sense would help us to avoid jotting down illogical fallacies based on assumptions and misinformation.
And you need not know any countries personally to see the U.N. resolutions to which they subscribe. You can find them here: www.un.org
I was going to apologize for misunderstanding your poorly worded post, but since you decided to lump a "fuck you" in there, I think I'll rescind any thought I had about offering any apology.
Have a nice day. ;)
Seriously. Yall need to chill.
-Neo
Lumosa_Brood
05-12-2006, 8:24 PM
that fuck you is only worded to you if you dont allow people to express their opinion, so as long as that isnt your stance it doesnt apply
Alright people! Enough is fucking enough!!!! Either drop it now where it should be! Or take it to the PM area where you can rape one another a new one!!! I said drop it a few posts back, but I guess some people are just as thick headed as a brick wall!!! Now... the topic is Bushs' bad numbers and stupid moves as president. Get on topic or go to hell... your choice...
And have your selves a nice day.
Meh.
Seriously, chill out.
Oh, and fyi: reporting a post and then responding to it isn't the greatest idea. Report a post and ignore it. Otherwise the thread just gets off track with irrelevant discussion =/
As snot mentioned, take it to PMs.
-Neo
DarkArchon98
05-12-2006, 9:01 PM
Oh please... Bush is a lying, incompetent, corrupt moron who's had to cheat his way into office twice! He's a puppet for all the big business interests and a hypocrite who spends all of our governments money making his cronies richer at the expense of American lives and by crippling our economy and shoving us deeper and deeper into debt. This is conservatisim? What's being conserved? Only the wealth of the rich, while the majority of the population suffers. He likes to dress up and pretend he's a soldier, but he was to much of a pussy to even serve himself. He's an embarrassment to the country and it reflects very poorly on the USA's imsge and status around the globe!
Oh please... Bush is a lying, incompetent, corrupt moron who's had to cheat his way into office twice! He's a puppet for all the big business interests and a hypocrite who spends all of our governments money making his cronies richer at the expense of American lives and by crippling our economy and shoving us deeper and deeper into debt. This is conservatisim? What's being conserved? Only the wealth of the rich, while the majority of the population suffers. He likes to dress up and pretend he's a soldier, but he was to much of a pussy to even serve himself. He's an embarrassment to the country and it reflects very poorly on the USA's imsge and status around the globe!
Hey, which "talking points" memo are you using? You must have an older version that doesn't include the whole "war monger" paragraph. I'll mail you a new updated memo so you'll know what to say next time you're approached by one of those Conservatives.
It's refreshing to see such original thought these days.
Lumosa_Brood
05-12-2006, 10:14 PM
Everyone is a hypocrite but when someone admits they are at fault and try to correct that then in my eyes an effort to redemption.
Modred
05-12-2006, 10:50 PM
Looks like it don't it? Pissing off Iran, while our forces are split between Afghanistan and Iraq...
Think of it this way: What's between Iraq and Afghanistan?
Drumroll please.......IRAN!
There's a "simple" solution to the how our troops are split up.
Kong... down man, same for you Lumosa, as much as I like seeing you alive after all this time, I would rather it stay that way. You both are made for arguing and that's something we don't need right now. Respect one another or I will bring AJ or Hammock into this, and that's something none of us want.
Can we please just put this pointless debate and bickering aside!? Please, I would rather not be playing the peace keeper here, god knows I’m better suited for starting shit like this, but come on people… knock it off.
DarkArchon98
05-12-2006, 11:01 PM
Hey, which "talking points" memo are you using? You must have an older version that doesn't include the whole "war monger" paragraph. I'll mail you a new updated memo so you'll know what to say next time you're approached by one of those Conservatives.
It's refreshing to see such original thought these days.
Memo? Who needs some sort of memo? All you need is the ability to observe and listen to see the affects of the unfortunate situation that we have been during these past six years. Yeah... protecting our freedoms.... fighting terrorism.... blah, blah blah..... An endless list of doublespeak designed to divide people and distract attention while our resources, capital, infrastructure, and real security are being eroded away. Yeah... these are real patriots all right....
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