Interesting Dilemma

[kongurous]

After a few days of consideration, I am still arguing with myself and a few friends over this. My question is... who would win in a fight, King Arthas from Warcraft or Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy VII? On that same subject, would Sephiroth kick Arthas's ass, or the other way around? Anyway, as I resolve this in my own ways, I was wondering what you lot thought of it.

[Neo]

Your arguement is that Arthas is immortal. Thus being he can't be killed or anything.

So what the fuck? "I wonder if an immortal being can be defeated?"

Its not exactly fair is it? Besides, how can you know for c ertain that Arthas IS immortal. I also assumed that the Lich King was, but the lich king then "consumed" arthas (ie: they merged) rather then arthas BECOMING the lich king. So one could then assume that arthas can still be killed, but the lich king would remain immortal.

At any rate, Cloud would only have to do this:

Slow and/or Stop Arthas.
Cast Ice and/or Shiva on Arthas.

It stopped the lich king for a rather long time.

-Neo

[Seal]

inter-game (or universe) showdown is useless because most games/universes have different rules for power, usually also scale is different.

[B.A.Baracus]

But in FF7 most of the time when you saw Sephiroth he was just a projection of his own mind, his body was in that gaint canyon where the Weapons rested. I dont know much about that WC guy, but a mental projection with the power of Sephiroth sounds almost unstopable to me.
And for all of you who dont know, Cloud was not a Sephy clone, or vise versa.

Sephy = Mojo boned Vincents girlfriend, then injected Jenova cells into the fetus.
Jenova = Not an Antiant.
Cloud = Young, dumb soldier experimented on with Jenova cells, he was such a failure Mojo didn’t even give him a number.

[Neo]

Cloud was a "failed sephiroth clone" but failed by hojo's standards. Cloud obviously comes out on top (taking into account AC, which shows cloud defeating Sephy without any materia).

-Neo

[kongurous]

Arthas's immortality can be nulled. He's immortal cus his essence was fused with that of the Lich King... by the armor that Arthas wears. Take the armor off, and Arthas, logically, should revert back to the usual Death Knight.

If his essence is still immortal, again, his immortality could be nulled. Magic, to the layman. Or, you can damage his armor because that armor houses the Lich King, and their essences are intertwined. Remember in TFT, Arthas was weak because Ice Crown was being ripped apart? Ner'Zhul was injured during Illidan's spell... causing his power to seep out of Ice Crown, and by extension, Arthas lost his fuel as well, allowing the Forsaken to appear.

Now, of course Arthas has good points as well. Frostmourne is a powerful sword, by any account. Arthas also razed a small town. Granted, he had help, but the fact remains. To add on, as his soul was fused with the Lich King, who had been a Shaman, Warlock, and able to possess one of the most powerful mages of the era in previous incarnations, he likely gained access with numerous spells. Even if he didn't... his Death Coil could probably kill just about anyone who got dumb enough to stand in the way.

Now, on to Cloud. Cloud killed Sephiroth... twice, which is no easy feat, considering Sephiroth took control of a meteor and damn near crashed it into a planet. Another thing to point out is if you fuck with Cloud's friends, he WILL mess you up. In the Nibelheim reactor, Sephy beat the crap out of Zack and Tifa. What did Cloud do? He throttled Sephiroth and threw him through a WALL. Plus he can jump pretty damn far and has Omnislash and a host of other abilities. Fit Cloud with the best summons... he could rip Arthas up, if not entirely kill him.

Personally... I think Arthas would retreat. There is nothing to suggest he can jump miles into the air or take the punishment required to kill Sephiroth without his armor being damaged/him physically hurt beyond that of fuctioning, even if he did kill the master of the Forgotten Ones in Northrend.

[Neo]

The only problem is that Arthas does have a legion of undead to command -- he could technically throw waves after waves of them at cloud and co. which would eventually wear him down.

Then again, cloud could just summon Bahamut lol O_o

-Neo

[kongurous]

The only problem is that Arthas does have a legion of undead to command -- he could technically throw waves after waves of them at cloud and co. which would eventually wear him down.

Then again, cloud could just summon Bahamut lol O_o

-Neo

This is assuming Arthas doesn't have the Scourge.

[dunchy]

I'd have to go with Arthas. So much untaped potential, whereas we've all seen just how powerful Cloud is at his best. I am referring to the 'undead' Arthas of course. The live version would probably go down in the 5th round. I'd actually go with Arthas by a long shot if he was the Dead Version.