Should there be a seperate forum for DotA?

[RedRagToAnOrc]

Here's a little poll for you. For those of you who have lived in a cave for the past few years or don't play Warcraft online, Defense of the Ancients (DotA) is an extremely popular custom map for Warcraft III. There have been a number of different spin-offs over the years, but the current accepted version by leagues, and about 95% of all players, is DotA Allstars, made by IceFrog.

Anyway, I digress. WCR recently set up a seperate forum for DotA because it was becoming so popular in the Maps and Mods Section, which is widely considered to be a good move. Leagues are being set up and various WC clans have diversified in to DotA leagues (a very old friend of mine is chief of the Unified Gaming DotA section, for instance).

Judging by this newfound interest in DotA, and that there doesn't seem to be a particular place to discuss strategies etcetera (and that I am getting back into it!), do you think there should be a seperate subforum for DotA?

[Sid]

I'm with you RedRag, DotA has gained much popularity nowadays and still it's rocking B.net and all local cafe' s here...
I personally love to post in DotA forums but the posts should be sensible, posting threads like "What's ur fav char. in DotA?" is absolutely madness!
I'd like to see a forum and if it forms, I'd gladly post in it!

[cole]

The skill factor in Dota is very limited, which is something i dont like. It does take skill but most of the time, not alot

[thefazant]

it mainly takes knowledge, almost everything is very easy to execute

[Graeme]

There's a degree of skill in TDA games. I mean, you're always watching the map for enemies, setting up ganks when things look safe enough, weighing pros/cons to moving into certain lanes, etc. The actual gameplay of:
"e, click, right click, d, click, right click, f, click, dead"
isn't a lot of micro, I'll admit, but it definitely gets my blood rushing :P. Especially when you're solo facing 2-3 opponents.

Anyway, I'd support a Dota subforum, but we'd really have to work to keep it alive, etc. There aren't <that> many posts on the warcraft forums about dota to warrant it, I don't think . . .

[mAnbimanimanimA]

There's a degree of skill in TDA games. I mean, you're always watching the map for enemies, setting up ganks when things look safe enough, weighing pros/cons to moving into certain lanes, etc. The actual gameplay of:
"e, click, right click, d, click, right click, f, click, dead"
isn't a lot of micro, I'll admit, but it definitely gets my blood rushing :P. Especially when you're solo facing 2-3 opponents.
But TDA is still but public deluxe. ;/

[Sid]

Normally WB is the only exceptional forum where much lesser DotA discussions follow...
Take a look at WC3SEARCH, they have DotA forums started lately by request!
DotA is a vast scope of playing, Microing and Developing as well!

[GenocideAlive]

DotA doesn't take much skill ... if you play people that don't have much skill.

To this whole non sequitur "it so easy kekeke" crap--it doesn't follow that it's easy in a versus game; someone must lose.

[Sid]

Yes... But it's a matter of skill where u make a Voodoo Shaman or Demon Witch to dominate against big guys like Beastmaster or Tiny!
GA, pls do not always say crap to the material that you don't like!
I like DotA due to it's high triggering and amazing spells!

[wa123]

Yes, but i probably wouldn't post in it much.

[xodkrm]

No.
Just no.

I personaly like to play real games.

[Yoda]

I think DOTA is the worst custom game I've ever played, but it is very popular so it should warrant a subforum. I can't exactly say that I would post on it often, though.

[Raven-Claw]

I think DOTA is the worst custom game I've ever played, but it is very popular so it should warrant a subforum. I can't exactly say that I would post on it often, though.

:( It's kind of insulting us gamers of DOTA... "WORST GAME"...
:concern: If it's really the a bad game Blizzard won't make it & release it..
Am I right? It's popular.. Yes but please don't judge the game.. Play the game several times..
:) You'll see you will enjoy.. :tup: It's really Blizzard at it's finest...

[Aqo]

:If it's really the a bad game Blizzard won't make it & release it..
Blizzard never did release DotA...

[Yoda]

:( It's kind of insulting us gamers of DOTA... "WORST GAME"...
:concern: If it's really the a bad game Blizzard won't make it & release it..
Am I right? It's popular.. Yes but please don't judge the game.. Play the game several times..
:) You'll see you will enjoy.. :tup: It's really Blizzard at it's finest...

I've played it about 5 times. Each time took over an hour each, except one where it was a 1v1 match and the other guy quit when I took 2 levels above him.

And "blizzard at it's finest" - it wasn't made by Blizzard!

[RedRagToAnOrc]

DotA was made by IceFrog, not Blizzard. Or at least, a lot of the most recent versions were. Everything below version 6.00 was Guinsoo and others.

[cole]

To many ridiculous heros in dota, tt. Some are to strong and others are just to weak. Like seriously, i wonder what idiot made enigma a hero? He should be a summon for a hero. God he sucks, tt.

[Graeme]

To many ridiculous heros in dota, tt. Some are to strong and others are just to weak. Like seriously, i wonder what idiot made enigma a hero? He should be a summon for a hero. God he sucks, tt.
Eh? I've seen nearly all heroes played well. Hell, I've even seen someone go 6-0 with Broodmother.

As far as Enigma goes, maybe you just can't use him properly? Let's see, he has:
* an AoE DoT (based on % life, so still effective lategame - also great for pushing early game because it makes a decent area on the map closed off to enemy heroes)
* an AoE stun//disable - blackhole is a huge hero killer lategame, especially if coupled with Rhasta's wards.
* a DoT that also stuns periodically - hero killer early game if you gank properly
* summoned units - these are somewhat useless when you take into consideration how kickass his other spells are. Most people just spam them lategame for pushing.

I really don't see how you could make him any more of a hero killer . . . He's most useful in mid and lategame with other AoE heroes. I've seen a good Enigma run right into a crowd, tap black hole, have his teammate Rhasta throw up wards and completely waste 3 heroes.

[cole]

Ok, but all of which you said depends on another hero doing alot of the work too. So i hardly consider him a hero killer. And you act like owning with brood is hard? O.o? Broods ult is incredibly awesome coupled with his orb effect. Life steal, damage increase, really good cooldown. Ive been godlike several times with him, to be honest hes one of my favorites. Lets be realistic though. Enigma cant even COMPARE to a hero like lion. Would you rather have a 500 instant dmg ult or a channeling ult that doesnt do that much dmg and basically makes you a target while you cast it? His aoe spell is lol...All you have to do is move out of it. Not really that hard.. His stun is best spell but not incredibly effective.

[Graeme]

If you're in a team match, Enigma is definitely the hero to pick. In a pub, I'd pick Lion. Enigma can be used so much more strategically, especially if you have other heroes for damage dealing. He's #1 against a team built with melee heroes because he can catch two-three of them at once with his disable. If you have other people to tornado//hex the casters that would otherwise focus fire enigma, it's good game.

Regardless, Enigma is not meant to be a solo hero killer - he's meant as support disable//pushing and he does it well. Remember, the game isn't about hero kills, it's about destroying the other team's base.

[GenocideAlive]

Eh? I've seen nearly all heroes played well. Hell, I've even seen someone go 6-0 with Broodmother.
Even? I can go 10-1, 10-2 with Broodmother easy. ++speed in webs, --speed from bite, and her ult make her fucking crazy good. Once she tags that ass, you'd better have a stun, plenty of life, and a good headstart.
* an AoE stun//disable - blackhole is a huge hero killer lategame, especially if coupled with Rhasta's wards.
It's actually not so hot lategame beyond just acting as a stun. You pretty much NEED someone else to get consistent kills with it. Otherwise, you're just going to have to watch after they stun you and run off.
* summoned units - these are somewhat useless when you take into consideration how kickass his other spells are. Most people just spam them lategame for pushing.
Or you can use them early/mid/late for farming. Which I do. Like crazy.
I really don't see how you could make him any more of a hero killer . . . He's most useful in mid and lategame with other AoE heroes. I've seen a good Enigma run right into a crowd, tap black hole, have his teammate Rhasta throw up wards and completely waste 3 heroes.
Technically a good hero doesn't require a Rhasta in order to be effective...:rolleyes:

[thefazant]

you really cant look at the heroes on their own, you really need to look at the complete team of heroes.

[Graeme]

Even? I can go 10-1, 10-2 with Broodmother easy. ++speed in webs, --speed from bite, and her ult make her fucking crazy good. Once she tags that ass, you'd better have a stun, plenty of life, and a good headstart.
I know some people can play her well. I make that statement on the basis that out of the probably over a hundred dota games I've played, I've only seen one person do it :P.

You pretty much NEED someone else to get consistent kills with it. Otherwise, you're just going to have to watch after they stun you and run off.
Hence why I say he's a great duo with Rhasta ^_^.

Or you can use them early/mid/late for farming. Which I do. Like crazy.
Great for pushing and farming, not so hot for killing heroes. In pubs, I prefer outlevelling early game as opposed to farming a single lane (if the hero allows, certain heroes like bradwarden and lone druid are <meant> to farm early game).

Technically a good hero doesn't require a Rhasta in order to be effective...:rolleyes:
A good hero doesn't have to be uber solo either. It's a 5v5 game for a reason ^_^.

[cole]

you really cant look at the heroes on their own, you really need to look at the complete team of heroes.

Thats half true. Some heros can dominate in pretty much any situation if used correctly.

[GenocideAlive]

A good hero doesn't have to be uber solo either. It's a 5v5 game for a reason
I'd agree, but...
Thats half true. Some heros can dominate in pretty much any situation if used correctly.
Maybe you'll understand better if Cole says it.

For instance--Lycanthrope could probably kick Enigma's ass in just about any scenario. Same with SK, same with SK, same with so many other heroes, who work well solo and GREAT in teams. Engima is a good-to-great team hero and a fucking shoddy solo one. He needs a buff. Bad.

[Graeme]

Ayeayeaye, I get your point. There are certain heroes that completely dominate with much less finesse required than other heroes. I just love the general reaction of <every> team member in most games as Naix hits his avatar button (scramble scramble scramble, one of us is definitely dead).

But on that note, what would you suggest Enigma have? I mean, most intelle heroes (aside from the good disablers) are pretty useless lategame in comparison to the agil and strength heroes.

Also, by SK you mean Leo or Soul Keeper? I'd agree on Leo, but I don't think I've ever seen Soul Keeper used effectively (so little mana), aside from the odd sunder that would catch me off guard. It's mostly nubs that pick soul keeper in pubs because he looks cool, though.

[thefazant]

naix is a piece of shit imo, really useless vs a good team, he has 0 abilities that help youre team

[Graeme]

There are a lot of heroes without skills to explicitly help the team. A lot of the strength heroes are like this. The way these heroes help the team is simply by killing the other people's team :P. I mean, a well-equipped naix can just hit rage, right click a caster of the opposing team and auto kill (he's called a 'right-click-of-death hero'). In the middle of a battle, if he decides to hit the other team's disabler, that team is in serious trouble.

[thefazant]

there are a lot of heroes that are way better at that imo

[Graeme]

That's nice ^_^. Glad to see you supported your statement :).

[RedRagToAnOrc]

Anyone played the new heroes yet? I've been playing Jakiro (Twin Head Dragon) for a while, and he has a bundle of potential, a Basilus/Eul's/Dagon/Skadi/Hyperstone build is great fun. You cyclone/breath/freeze/ultimate and then rinse and repeat (without the ultimate, of course) until dead, using Dagon as necessary and Hyper/Skadi to make sure they don't get away.

He definitely has the mana pool and regen to be able to pull it off.

P.S This kind of discussion was exactly what I wanted to see - because after all, it kind of implies interest.

[thefazant]

why would you get dagon?
such a shitty item, only hero i would consider getting it for is pugna.
is beastmaster a new hero?
if he is, i really liked him, hawk is great, and ultimate owns too

[GenocideAlive]

Beastmaster is a new hero. He's got a weird axes-skill and a blasting ult that looks pretty cool.

Dagon isn't a shitty item by any stretch of the word. Pugna, Slayer, and Lion use it fairly well. When you've got 1.5k in mana you can click, click, click and your non-STR hero target is dead. With the dagon, you can add in a lot of STR heroes, too. X_T

And in regard to making Enigma better, I say increase his stun-spell to proc'ing 3/4/5/6 times with 55 dmg per shot. Sort of like Haunt, except faster. Additionally, I'd say that it'd be best if they gave his backups a little bit longer of a lifespan. Illidan's clones get way more dmg, way more life, and way more lifespan than that guy's little tagalongs. I'd also make his vortex thing suck heroes in faster--as it is it's kind of stupidly slow, meaning he'll get stunned out of it so fast that it has pretty much no effect on enemy heroes.

[Yoda]

Maybe instead of having a separate forum for dota, we should have a separate forum for "Custom Games strategies" or something - which would include ones like Footman Frenzy or Hero Line Wars etc etc

[Sid]

I personally do not like Footman Frenzy, It may be fun playing that.. But looking at Custom Hero skills and other things in that map, It the worst from developement point of view! I see absolutely nothing like a Real Custom Spells!

[cole]

To be honest id like it if they completely remade enigma, and took out every spell except for his stun.

[Yoda]

Is one of the moderators going to look at this thread? :)

[Sid]

Yeah... Ask Ender or Mindslaver.. PM them and wait... (Till your hairs turn white!!!)

[RedRagToAnOrc]

I PMed AJ with regards to the encouraging results. He hasn't replied yet. I suppose we could try Mindslaver and Ender but meh, I think going to a higher authority is better.

[GenocideAlive]

We're bugging the hell out of AJ these days about WB. I figure he's got to be getting annoyed with our constant demands. :)

Anyway, I'm going to turn this into a Shitty DotA Heroes thread.

We've already discussed how Enigma loves the cock, but how about other heroes? Personally, I find Enchantress to be fucking suck-supreme. Christ, how are you supposed to win with that shit-for-brains hero? I usually get an Eye of Skadi just because she sucks so bad--it gives her faster attack speed, MUCH needed HP, and some mana for her Impetus. But I still can't find a good way to kill people with her.

[killer-penguin]

Yeah lets make a seperate dota forum...and make this forum even MORE inactive :\

[whoman_human]

Yeah... Ask Ender or Mindslaver.. PM them and wait... (Till your hairs turn white!!!) Hehe, Yoda already has white hair...:P .
Maybe they should do it like the foundry so that it is a subforum or something like that.

[Yoda]

Hehe, Yoda already has white hair...:P .


SO DO YOU!!

:_owned:

;) :)

[Xx-Delgrim-xX]

I am completely against this. Partly...Mostly... because i hate DotA (for reasons decribed in my topic). Now, a DoBRP forum wouldnt be a waste.

[Sid]

DotA is great map, Not only for playing but also from scope of developing!

Have you ever wondered looking at Rexxar's Wild Axes that how IceFrog has made that?
I guess not...
Cause you're concerned and say it sucks because it does not stuns enemy!

Ever wondered at Enigma's ability that how he made it?
Answer is no, and you shout that just because it only costs High Mana!

[LilChaos]

DotA! i dont like DotA!
So i must learn.make a forum

[Basan]

I've been following this thread for a while now and felt that if hadn't post my opinion than I wouldn't be clear on which I stand. So, here it is... take it as you'll deem fit.

Although lately have been playing DotA (mostly due to editing curiosity), I still don't hink that we should have or need a sub-forum dedicated to it. Anyone who has questions/doubts on it may feel free to clear'em away in here as well. As we've already seen there are a few players of this 'league' here that will clense most quizzes arisen, imo. ;)

[Sid]

No, Normal posts will interfere with DotA ones, when some terms like Rush, Push, Spam involved in DotA mean different in normal game!
Suppose, A guy says like this,
" I was pushing top when Lich rushed and chained me..."
As Chain means different in DotA for lich and means different as normal games are considered...

So, I believe that we should have a seperate DotA forum...

[Basan]

No, Normal posts will interfere with DotA ones, when some terms like Rush, Push, Spam involved in DotA mean different in normal game!
Suppose, A guy says like this,
" I was pushing top when Lich rushed and chained me..."
As Chain means different in DotA for lich and means different as normal games are considered...

So, I believe that we should have a seperate DotA forum...

Maybe it's only me, but generally when posting a new thread I care to identify where am heading and what I pretend to extract from it or at least something along those lines. And I expect others to do so from the get go. (If they don't can't blame us for the lame arse results now, can they? :angel: ) Perhaps I'm getting too mushy with age... :P