Is the Pyramid created by Human or Alien or neither?

[wa123]

The Pyramids stone structures in Egypt of a pyramid shape which were built in ancient times as places to bury important people, especially kings and queens.
Does Human had that ability to build such structure?
Is the Pyramid created by Human or Alien or neither? You vote.

[Uuugggg]

I vote with they being creating with aliens. It sense maker.

[Aqo]

Alien entities traveled millions of light-years and came to this watery planet just to build a bunch of 3D triangles and leave? I don't think so.

[L2_1989]

Humanity all the way! If it was alien, it wouldn't be as worn out as it is today. It got around 10 m lower than it was when it was built.

[Yoda]

I initially thought that this poll was not serious and this thread would be swiftly deleted, but it hasn't so :)

People don't know how the pyramids were made, or at least all the answers. Where did they find the technology? Why is it positioned so the light rays shine directly on it? But since aliens don't even exist, I think we can safely say that it was made by humans. And even if aliens did exist, they are not going to land on the earth to build pyramids. It just wouldn't happen. .

[IrishDutchman]

Yeah, I think this is settled, I agree with Yoda and the rest, it just wouldn't make sence for aliens to do it.
I think this thread should be locked or deleted, there's no real conversation, everyone agrees on this one I think.

[frazz]

This thread should be closed. The "technology" to build the pyramids was there. They were built as burial places for the egyptian religion. It is also notable that the pyramids grew in size as the kingdoms wealth grew, and shrunk as did the kingdoms wealth (and power).

[wa123]

The pyramids are so accurately aligned with the points of the compass that only aliens could have achieved this all those thousands of years ago.
The angle of the slope of the sides is so precise only aliens could achieve this.
The blocks are so heavy and the pyramid so tall only aliens could achieve this.

In the period 2500 BC man did not have the tools or knowledge necessary to build the pyramids, so only aliens could have done it. How the aliens built the pyramids is not known, but they would have employed the use of advanced construction equipment.

[frazz]

The pyramids are so accurately aligned with the points of the compass that only aliens could have achieved this all those thousands of years ago.
that is based onpure speculation. Evidence please.
The angle of the slope of the sides is so precise only aliens could achieve this.
That's just stupid. The egyptians may very well have had nice protractors and equipment.
The blocks are so heavy and the pyramid so tall only aliens could achieve this.
There are numerous ways that ancient societies have lifted heavy blocks. This thinking shows a lack of creativity. You think that a gas powered crane is the only way of lifting something heavy. It's not.
Here's some more of that logic.
President Bush is such a bafoon that only aliens could have run his election.
Going to the moon is so hard only aliens could have done it. (unless you film the whole thing in a studio)
;)

[Modred]

The pyramids are so accurately aligned with the points of the compass that only aliens could have achieved this all those thousands of years ago.
The angle of the slope of the sides is so precise only aliens could achieve this.
The blocks are so heavy and the pyramid so tall only aliens could achieve this.
1)2500 BC isn't that far in the past. Simply because Western mathematics, which stemmed from the Golden Age of Greece, hadn't flourished does not mean that mathematics were stuck in some nether region where no one could measure an angle or determine the cardinal directions.
2)Unless you've seen, read about, or have evidence of the technology of these aliens, how can you claim they would be able to build these things either?

Everyone always assumes aliens are more advanced than we are. Just because you can build a space ship doesn't mean you've conquered all disease on your home planet, or developed some massive planet obliterating weapon, or set out on a quest for galactic domination or peace or population. It means that said aliens understand rockets, which I must point out people like da Vinci and Jules Verne (and probably most of China) understood long before we were capable of building rockets large enough to break into space.

I see no reason, even if aliens have visited earth, to assume they had anything to do with the precision in the building of the pyramids.

[Leosam096]

i believe pyramids were made by humans who followed their kings and pharoahs to give respect to them like gods.

cheers!

[Desert_Eagle]

They came here, built the pyramids, then realized how their entire trip was a collosal waste of time by building sandcastles in the Egyptian desert. They then proceeded to fly their spaceship into the sun.

[lammas]

i surely believe that it was built by human but ive read some hilarius texts of Däniken. However out of those Dänikens i have found one point that seems to actually be based on facts :E and that point is exactly about the pyramids:

according to Däniken (too lazy to check it but this theory made up alots of arguments and iam sure that something so obius as this would have been noticed) there are 2 600 000 stones in great pyramid of kheops. those stones weight ~12 000 kg of course some less some more. they were (according to some random book and bbc document) taken up 1.5 km long ramp. now according to egyphtologists it took ~20years to build this.


24x365 There are 365 days in year each with 24 hours
8760x60 There are 60 minutes in each hour
525600x60 There are 60 seconds in each minute
31536000x20 There were 20 years
/2 600 000 They placed 2600000 stones in that perioid of time
they placed one stone in every ~242 seconds
242/60 = ~ 4

so one stone for every 4minutes day and night assuming that they had all stones nicely right next to ramp. Assuming that they worked day and night doesnt make any sense so one 12 000 kg stone every second minute.

This sounds quite hc... 12 000 kg every second minute but as long as i dont have any idea of how many men it takes to life 12 000 kg up 1.5km ramp i cant calculate any further.

[sumo88]

just curious... what would the neither be? :)

[B.A.Baracus]

I think the Egyptions hired day-laborers to make the pyramids.

[ShadeZ]

The pyramids were created by humans. Like everybody said, I don't think aliens would come to a planet just to erect a few triangular structures.

If it was alien, it wouldn't be as worn out as it is today. It got around 10 m lower than it was when it was built.
Huh? Why are aliens perfect in their technology all of a sudden? You're making large assumptions there.

But since aliens don't even exist,
That's a pretty bold statement(No pun intended). Got anything to back that up
1:The pyramids are so accurately aligned with the points of the compass that only aliens could have achieved this all those thousands of years ago.
2:The angle of the slope of the sides is so precise only aliens could achieve this.
3:The blocks are so heavy and the pyramid so tall only aliens could achieve this.

I have taken the liberty of adding numbers to your statements.
1:The ancient Egyptians were not idiots. They knew their mathematics and they built their pyramids in accordance to the sun.
2:This, again, was done by the fact that the ancient Egyptians (And the ancient Greeks) were incredibly intelligent when it came to mathematics. They obviously took a long time on these, and they mesured precisely. It's not too hard with a lot of time.
3:How did they manage to move huge blocks? Multiple people. They could have gotten higher by climbing up. It would take a lot of work, and nobody today would be willing, but then again, the slaves back then were quite high in number, and they, unfortunately, did not have a choice.

just curious... what would the neither be? :)
Umm, stags! Deer! Wolves! They were some natural phenomena that appeared on the earth! They built themselves! Some crazy deity built them! I don't know.

[Sikawtic]

There are accounts of pyramids being built... by guess what?! Humans.

They're not perfect, and they had the technology to build it. We can't today because we try to do it quickly, they took hundreds of years to complete them.

[Dark_Magneto]

They used slave and animal labor to haul and stack the blocks, and when the pyramid was finally built, they sanded the edges of the blocks down to a smooth surface from the top down.

Yes, sanding down an entire stone building is immensely tedious, but they did it.

[Markpyro]

If they were made by aliens, why did they put Egyptian Pharaohs into the center? If they didnt, what was the point of the extensive tunnels inside? Why would they build traps and false corridors for nothing?

[kongurous]

3:How did they manage to move huge blocks? Multiple people. They could have gotten higher by climbing up. It would take a lot of work, and nobody today would be willing, but then again, the slaves back then were quite high in number, and they, unfortunately, did not have a choice.

The Egyptians didn't use slaves, they hired craftsmen to do the work, and they had their own city at Giza to live in while they worked.

They're not perfect, and they had the technology to build it. We can't today because we try to do it quickly, they took hundreds of years to complete them.

One pyramid didn't take hundreds of years to build.

[Neo]

They used slave and animal labor to haul and stack the blocks, and when the pyramid was finally built, they sanded the edges of the blocks down to a smooth surface from the top down.

Yes, sanding down an entire stone building is immensely tedious, but they did it.
Err, they were encased with polished limestone O_o I suppose technically that would mean it was sanded, but the casing was put on after the pyramid was complete (I believe?) and later torn down/stolen throughout the ages =/

It should be noted that while the great pyramid is believed to have been an actual pyramid (ie: where a pharoah was buried and all that) no mummy was ever found inside it.

Not only that, but there are still secrets within the great pyramid that we have been unable (As of yet) to understand:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/09/0923_020923_egypt.html

Personally I find the sphinx to be much more interesting.

-Neo

[sololop]

All pyramids (Even chinese and mexican) were built by humans. There are pictures and stories in hieroglyphiccs stating this(I think). They were started when the new pharoh was chosen and took a lifetime to complete. And yes, the usually has a golden top and were encased in white limestone as Neo said. Grave robbers eventually stole this gold. And wind/erosion is thought to destroy the weak limestone too. And remember there are numerous pyramids in egypt mexico and china. There might be others elsewere too. Pyramids are not unique structures to egyptians. But egyptians did make the biggest ones.

Aliens... er, aliens?? The nearest star with a planet is (I think) alpha centauri and would take thousands of years even at light speed to reach, so aliens would not be able to travel here anytime soon. (as means of taveling light speed and faster are just fantasy)

I am not sure if any of the above is correct, but I think I have some natural common sense there.

[kongurous]

A pyramid didn't take a life time to build, either. The Pharoah chose where he wanted to be buried when he died at some point during his reign, and if he died before the pyramid was completed, he was still mummified and he was taken into the pyramid when it was ready. I'll try to find a few sources to back up what I'm saying...

[Beef]

The Egyptians didn't use slaves, they hired craftsmen to do the work, and they had their own city at Giza to live in while they worked.

You're right. Here's the proof. I watched a video on this in school.

http://www.harvard-magazine.com/on-line/070391.html.

The question of who labored to build them, and why, has long been part of their fascination. Rooted firmly in the popular imagination is the idea that the pyramids were built by slaves serving a merciless pharaoh. This notion of a vast slave class in Egypt originated in Judeo-Christian tradition and has been popularized by Hollywood productions like Cecil B. De Mille’s The Ten Commandments, in which a captive people labor in the scorching sun beneath the whips of pharaoh’s overseers. But graffiti from inside the Giza monuments themselves have long suggested something very different.
Until recently, however, the fabulous art and gold treasures of pharaohs like Tutankhamen have overshadowed the efforts of scientific archaeologists to understand how human forces—perhaps all levels of Egyptian society—were mobilized to enable the construction of the pyramids. Now, drawing on diverse strands of evidence, from geological history to analysis of living arrangements, bread-making technology, and animal remains, Egyptologist Mark Lehner, an associate of Harvard’s Semitic Museum, is beginning to fashion an answer. He has found the city of the pyramid builders. They were not slaves.

And it is thought they had a form of the wheel to pull up the huge stone blocks, which made it way easier than dragging them up. That was on the same video in school too.

It should be noted that while the great pyramid is believed to have been an actual pyramid (ie: where a pharoah was buried and all that) no mummy was ever found inside it.
That's because grave robbers stole everything in the tomb.

[kongurous]

You're right. Here's the proof. I watched a video on this in school.

http://www.harvard-magazine.com/on-line/070391.html.

I meant about the thing about the pharoah selecting where he wanted his pyramid and it not taking his entire life to build. I can dig up the wiki article I saw about no slaves, and anyone who googles it can come up with the same or similar results.

[Neo]

That's because grave robbers stole everything in the tomb.

Proof? The earliest 'grave robbers' to get into the pyramid found no mummy... no artifacts at all. Except for recently I believe they've found digger tools/implements in one of the underground areas. Well rather not artifacts of any significance. I don't even think its been proven that the great pyramid WAS Khufus. (Just assumed is it not?)

Most of the time its just said (Assumed) that early tomb robbers removed all the artifacts and mummy from the pyramid. One must wonder then how that was possible, since the pyramid was sealed until rather recent time.

And besides that, you would also think that some of Khufu's stuff would've appeared later no?

-Neo

[frazz]

The earliest 'grave robbers' to get into the pyramid found no mummy
Maybe the FIRST ones got away with it.
And besides that, you would also think that some of Khufu's stuff would've appeared later no?
No. It was gold, pottery, jewels etc. It would be sold and eventually dispersed and much of it destroyed.

[Neo]

Maybe the FIRST ones got away with it.

No. It was gold, pottery, jewels etc. It would be sold and eventually dispersed and much of it destroyed.
Still no proof though. Just writing it down doesn't make it true.

-Neo

[Beef]

Still no proof though. Just writing it down doesn't make it true.

-Neo
I have Encarta 2006 and it says that the pyramid was built for Khufu.
And if you see a picture of the Pyramid of Khufu you can see a hole blown in the side of the pyramid where grave robbers wanted the treasure so bad. I don't want to get a picture of it right now but you'll see a hole in the side.

[frazz]

Still no proof though. Just writing it down doesn't make it true.
It's common sense that it would just eventually go away. I mean, you can't go down to the local market and say "King Khufu's riches and power! Bargain Prices!
And most internet sources are quite disputible(wikipedia etc) and I can't reference a real world book because nobody would check it and it isn't very convincing.

[Dark_Magneto]

It's pretty common sense that if a pyramid (which are known for being burial tombs very lucrative for raiding) had a hole blown in the side of it and was cleaned out, then the obvious conclusion would be that it was looted since the Egyptians didn't go through all the trouble of spending lifetimes to build the suckers to end up not using them.

[Neo]

It's pretty common sense that if a pyramid (which are known for being burial tombs very lucrative for raiding) had a hole blown in the side of it and was cleaned out, then the obvious conclusion would be that it was looted since the Egyptians didn't go through all the trouble of spending lifetimes to build the suckers to end up not using them.
The people who blew the hole in the pyramid (blowing implies dynamite or something similar no?) didn't find anything of value either. What I was talking about are the accounts that ancient grave robbers stole anything of value -- while they can reasonably prove that for other tombs (as such there is always something left, like broken artifacts, or things that hold no value) they can't for the great pyramid. I mean, correct me if I am wrong, but weren't graverobbers mostly after items that were worth something?

A lot of what we know as mainstream egyptian history seems to be assumed (Such as the date for the Sphinx for instance), stuff changes, or is contested often.

Not only that, but there have been no Hieroglyphs found on, or inside the Pyramid at all. So its not as if you can say for certain it was for Khufu, besides any of that, the pyramid doesn't seem to conform to other tomb-pyramids.

I don't care what your Encarta says (believe it or not, it doesn't know everything~!).

The Great Pyramid is a mystery, that people try to explain off in a few sentences, and while I don't believe aliens had anything to do with it, I don't think it was just a tomb for some pharoah.

That fact is that nothing has been found ON the pyramid itself (heiroglyphs for one) to actually point it out as a pyramid for/by Khufu.

Though, I find the Sphinx much more interesting to discuss ^_^

-Neo

[Kingscrab]

The Great Pyramid is a mystery, that people try to explain off in a few sentences, and while I don't believe aliens had anything to do with it, I don't think it was just a tomb for some pharoah. Everyone knows that the Pyramids were created to house the Stargate. Duh.

[Beef]

I don't care what your Encarta says (believe it or not, it doesn't know everything~!).
So you'll take your own word rather than an encyclopedia? Fine.

[Markpyro]

one block every 5 minutes sounds plausible, say that they had 10 going up at once. And, there wouldnt be much of a ways to walk at the beginning because the pyramid wasnt tall yet.

And, I thought that it was an honor to work on the pyramids; like, Egyptians wanted to serve the gods they believed in.

[frazz]

Everyone knows that the Pyramids were created to house the Stargate. Duh.
How could we all be such fools. Believing it was a "tomb". :rolleyes:

[Neo]

So you'll take your own word rather than an encyclopedia? Fine.
No, I actually read more into this kind of stuff. One or two lines form Encart does not make it true, if you've ever read any of the in depth study things on the Pyramid you would come to doubt it was Khufus as I have.

Its not "my own word", I'm not that concieted.

-Neo

[Kingscrab]

No, I actually read more into this kind of stuff. One or two lines form Encart does not make it true, if you've ever read any of the in depth study things on the Pyramid you would come to doubt it was Khufus as I have. Has anyone even bothered to consult Wikipedia about this? I mean, we all know where the answers to all life's questions can be found... ;)

[Neo]

Has anyone even bothered to consult Wikipedia about this? I mean, we all know where the answers to all life's questions can be found... ;)
AFAIK, Wiki's articles are basically copies of stuff you find in any encyclopedia (there isn't really anything in depth on GP, although there is some nice specifics on different dynastys I believe).

-Neo

[Desert_Eagle]

Has anyone even bothered to consult Wikipedia about this? I mean, we all know where the answers to all life's questions can be found...

We also know where evidence of factual innaccuracies in wikipedia articles can't be found (Kingscrabs posts).

[frazz]

^I've got some proof of factual innacuracies.
A few days ago i was browsing Wikipedia and I came upon an article on runescape. It said there was a beta site where users could test the new runescape. This was obviously a scam. But the article was altered slightly to make it seem as if that was a legit site. It was only mentioned twice in the article. I altered the wikipedia article to get rid of that.
It just shows how easily anyone can do anything on wikipedia.

[Neo]

Its sad, this thread could've resulted in some interesting discussing if posed better and taken more seriously.

Consider your ml-spam-in-ir allotment attained.

-Neo