BH's Open - Modern Diplo

[madman5]

Hello every1! I'm back! My dad is handy with computers, and fixed my computers start-up files! I have too much to catch up on, so I won't be getting orders in soon.

[Subjukator]

A new Germany is needed ASAP. So if anyone manages to scrounge up some "volunteers" please be sure to refer them to BlackHawk when he gets back tonight or tommorow.

[BlackHawk]

Yes, any volunteers would be nice, I'm going to go and see if I can get any from a place I know ;).

[madman5]

I resign from this Diplo game. Without my order giving friend Cygnus, I have no real idea what to do. See ya'll later. Maybe in a different Diplo game.

[Maegtelluma]

Lol...wow. So Cygnus was basically completely controlling two countries?

[madman5]

Yep. 2 the end when he could win by having x SC's. All I did was get pts and relay orders. Maybe we could do that for Imperial Diplo in the summer....

[Maegtelluma]

No, you really shouldn't do that, because that's giving him an unfair advantage. Giving your ally advice is one thing...but...this is different than that.

[Whiteknight]

BH, why did you change from 1908 to 1999? That's quite a leap... :p

Also, it's pretty far in. How about we call for the end of game? Unless you don't want to.

[Subjukator]

That just irritates me... so much... OMG!!!! If I could ban you from Diplo games, I would! No wonder... I mean I give advice to allies all the time but... YOU are at fault here for not even LEARNING how to play the game. That vexes me SOO much!

Bah!

[Maegtelluma]

I think we ought to start over...it would be ridiculous for the two world powers to just evaporate...actually...one world power...how long until imperial?

If we dont start over...this could get weird, but i'll still play.

[TheGreatBrain]

*Sigh.

That is all I have to say.

[madman5]

I know how to play but Cygnus was leading me the whole time that I have no idea what to do.

[Maegtelluma]

Then you should have asked someone or read a tutorial, not submitted to his every will...even going as far as letting him completely control you for a turn.

[OboeGuru]

o.O

madman, you let Cygnus tell you exactly what to do? ...

I'm dangling by a thread over whether or not to let this game count in the scoreboard.
If anyone has a good reason why I SHOULD count it, post here.
Otherwise, this game is considered an exhibition match.

Well... this revelation would certainly explain why you so deftly put me down in tandem with Germany...

[Whiteknight]

Well... because it is not our fault that some people do not know how to play and that Cygnus left. Is that good enough?

[OboeGuru]

But it's their fault that some people were put at a severe disadvantage. I can't penalize those players.

[Whiteknight]

Well, since anyone left alive would gain points (right?), why not just give them points and do not deduct point for the people who lost?

[OboeGuru]

Well, since anyone left alive would gain points (right?)
Not necessarily. Most players generally lose points in a game, even if there is no single winner.
why not just give them points and do not deduct point for the people who lost?
That would be bastardizing the whole system. It's much easier and much more straightforward to not do any points. That would pretty much involve pulling points out of thin air for scoring, which I just won't do.

On a side note, I blame you for all the troubles that have come to Diplo. ;)
$wkblamed++;

:bigsmile:

[Whiteknight]

On a side note, I blame you for all the troubles that have come to Diplo. ;)
$wkblamed++

:bigsmile:
I am singlehandedly destroying all Diplomacy forums so that mine will dominate. Muhahaha!

On a side not, I need to get something that I click and adds one to my sig, or something like that. So bothersome going and changing sig each time.

[Subjukator]

madman5, your like 11 right? hmmm, I think back to when I was that age and I can understand your inability to grasp the game of diplomacy.

But you'll forever be known as Cygnus' Bitch

:D

[Maegtelluma]

This is a mess. I say we just start fresh.

[BlackHawk]

Err...Oboe, the whole game is about deceiving and getting others to do your will, and although this is a little to far, it is what you're supposed to do in the game. I'm suprised you guys didn't notice it earlier though, it was fairly obvious...or it could just be because I was GM...meh.

And I guess we could start again, but honestly there would have to be no NMR's and it would be going fast to make up for lost time. I'd rather get subs and continue.

I could take over for Germany if need be, however that would put me over my limit (although Fenguin Diplo and Oboe Guru's Diplo II don't seem to be going anywhere).

[OboeGuru]

Err...Oboe, the whole game is about deceiving and getting others to do your will, and although this is a little to far, it is what you're supposed to do in the game. I'm suprised you guys didn't notice it earlier though, it was fairly obvious...or it could just be because I was GM...meh.
I figured Cygnus had an influence, yes. But not control. There's a world of difference. There's suggesting moves and then there's spoonfeeding moves. Maybe I'll just come up with some creative scoring method, I dunno.
I could take over for Germany if need be, however that would put me over my limit (although Fenguin Diplo and Oboe Guru's Diplo II don't seem to be going anywhere).
I'd overlook that. I don't really keep track at the moment, I just place it on the honor of the player. Plus, we really don't have that many steady players, so it's pretty much a necessity anyways.

I could always take over Germany, too, you know. ;)

[BlackHawk]

Do you have the time? If so, good, 'cause I think Madman's going to stay in (I'm going to help him out here and their, not spoon feed, but give hints). If you both agree to this then I think this game will get back on the road.

[OboeGuru]

I should have enough time. Perhaps I'll get my game back in swing, too! :)

[Maegtelluma]

lol, sounds like a good idea. was cygnus in that game?

[madman5]

YAY! I get to stay in! :) :D :P

[Subjukator]

YAY! I get to stay in! :P

No one kicked you out. You left by your own choice.... yea...

OK, now back to business. Oboe gets Germany now. So should we re-send our orders from the last time or do you still have those orders we already sent?

I think we should just just make the due date this Friday and resend orders. That way, it'll make everyone nice and comfy with the Germany and, I guess, Italy as well.

[Battlecruiser]

Wow, this game got seriously messed up. Madman, you should have read the tutorial posted in the official scoreboard thread. That is what I read, and now I know how to play.

[BlackHawk]

As Sub said, orders are now due: Friday May 28 at 8 p.m. EST (GMT -5). The other orders for this turn will be deleted, for I am sure many will be changing their strategy with the coming changes.

[Whiteknight]

Noooooooo!... :cry:

Ah well.

[OboeGuru]

Anyone who wants to talk with me be quick about it, my time is limited.

I'm not going to be able to get orders in tomorrow, and I'm going to have a ~ 1.5 hours interval with which to submit orders on Friday.

[madman5]

Wow, this game got seruiosly messed up. Madman, you should have read the tutorial posted in the official scoreboard thread. That is what I read, and now I know how to play.
I read the guide in my last game. I kno how to play, but I have no idea what to do right now since this whole game has been me relaying orders to BH.

[Subjukator]

Why don't you look at the map, make your orders, send them to BH so he could help you out, then post the revised orders.

Is this really that hard to do?

Orders PMed

[OboeGuru]

PMification of orderage for New Germany. Long live the new dictator!

[Maegtelluma]

Are we missing someone's orders?

if it is madman......we could just hand Italy over to me? How 'bout it, eh?

[BlackHawk]

I have just PM'ed those I am missing orders from. And just to keep you guys in the know I've made the absolute deadline for Fall 2000 orders tonight (Sunday May 30th) at 6 p.m. EST (GMT -5). The map will be made at that time whether or not I have their orders.

[OboeGuru]

I took time out of my single hour of free time on Friday to PM orders on time, you non-order-giving chumps. I'll massacre you all. ;) Where's the dedication?

Bah, they probably thought the game was dead. After all, is there a game that isn't?

[Whiteknight]

Bah, I totally forgot about this. I sort of thought it was dead-ish, but oh well. I'm PMing my orders now.

[BlackHawk]

BH’s Open – Modern Diplo
“We hate pizza” Fall 2000

Summary

Germany, Ukraine, and Spain all take some land off of the hybernating Italy. Germany moves north into England’s capital, the Queen probably wasn’t too happy with the General as she was awaken by the Kaiser. Turkey, not to be left out moves most of it’s forces West towards the dormant Italy, also taking advantage of Italies nap time to gain the upper hand on the Italian fleet. A smart move by the Russians leave their Polish komrades in a bit of a pickle. And the Spanish attack themselves…

Germany (OboeGuru):

A Mun -> Swi
A Sax S (Ukr) A Hung -> Aus
A Slo S (Ukr) A Hung -> Aus
F Bhm S F Den -> Swe
F Den -> Swe
F Hel -> Nth
F Nth -> Lon
F Bel -> Eng
F Nor HOLD
F Ska S F Den -> Swe
A Bor HOLD
A Auv -> Mar (Bounce)
A Par -> Lyo

Egypt (Mattimeo): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Spain (Subjukator):

F Por-Nav
A Nav-Por (Bounce) (Dislodged)
A Bar S F Por-Nav
F Algeria-Tunisia
A Libya S F Algeria-Tunisia
F Gulf of Lyon-Tyrrhenian Sea (Bounce)
F Western Mediterranean S F Algeria-Tunisia

Italy (Madman5):

NMR

(All units hold. F Ion H (Dislodged); A Aus H (Dislodged); F Tun H (Dislodged))

Russia (WhiteKnight):

Gor -> Mur (Bounce)
Vol -> Gor (Bounce)

Poland (TGB):

A StP-Mur (Bounce)
F Gulf of Bothnia-StP (Bounce)
F Baltic Sea-Gulf of Bothnia (Bounce)
A Mos Support F Gulf of Bothnia-StP
A Lit-Lat
A Bie Support A Mos
A Kra Support A Bie

Ukraine (Maegtelluma):

A Pod - Hungary
A Don - Rostov
A Hun - Aus
German army Sax support A Hun - Aus
German army Mun support A Hun - Aus
German army Slo support A Hun - Aus
A Ser - Bos
A Rum - Ser
F EBS - holds
A Sev - holds
A Ode - Rum

France (OboeGuru): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Turkey (ForeignKid):

F Aeg - Ion
F Gre S Aeg - Ion
F Izm - Aeg
F Ale - Lbn
F EMe S Ale - Lbn
F Cai - Ale
A Jor - Sau
A Bul S A Mac H
A Mac S A Bul H
F WBS S F Ank H
F Ank S A Geo H
A Geo H

Britain (Tanain Hawkwing):

NMR

(All units hold. F Nth Disbanded)

Builds / Retreats / Disbands / SC Count

Germany: 2/-/0/15
Egypt: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Spain: 1/1 (A Nav – Mad, Disband)/0/8
Italy: 0/3 (A Aus – Mil, Ven, Disband; F Ion – Nap, Alb, Apu, Disband; F Tun – Has nowhere to retreat to, therefore disbanded)/2/7
Russia: 0/-/0/2
Poland: 0/-/0/7
Ukraine: 1/-/0/9
France: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Turkey: 1/-/0/13
Britain: 0/-/0/2

Map

http://www.kupatrix.com/upload/uploads/BH-Open-Modern-Dip-F-2K.gif

Spring 2001 orders due: Friday June 4th at 9 p.m. EST (GMT -5).

[Maegtelluma]

hahahaha madman NMR-d? Wow. Luck for me I guess....haha

[BlackHawk]

Indeed, I think I may look into a replacement...

[Maegtelluma]

That's probably a good idea. If you can't find one let me know, i have a few people who aren't warboards members yet who would register and take the spot.

[TheGreatBrain]

Darn you Whiteknight! Darn you and your stubbornness! :)

[Whiteknight]

Darn you Whiteknight! Darn you and your stubbornness! :)
AHAHAH! [/evil laugh]

I shall defeat you! Muhaha!

...or at least survive until the tie vote.

[Subjukator]

Orders PMed

[Maegtelluma]

Orders in

[BlackHawk]

Okay, I was just wondering if you guys would mind me taking over for Italy. Keep in mind I have not looked at any of the orders I have received yet (I have only received 3). If you guys do not want me to, fine I'll keep looking for a replacement.

[Maegtelluma]

leave italy idle :p. I want his land.

[BlackHawk]

leave italy idle :p. I want his land.

Which gives you and Germany an unfair advantage ;).

[Subjukator]

You must TELL us these things BEFORE we turn in ze orders!

[Maegtelluma]

Not really, we're just having really good luck. And germany wouldn't have half the land he does if Madman had actually been playing on his own...

It shouldn't make a difference, but when people dropped in all the other games it was never considered "unfair" that there would be SC's up for grabs.

Do as you wish. Just don't make it be another week before the orders would be due.

[OboeGuru]

I'd say not this turn considering some of us have already gotten orders in that have been well thought-out under the assumption that madman might not submit orders again.

If you want to start ordering Italy around next turn, I have no problem with that. But if you start this turn, I'd be strategizing from square one, and I think the rest of us would be as well.

[Maegtelluma]

Does anyone have outside-internet communication with madman?

[BlackHawk]

Fine, this turn Italy will stay leaderless (unless of course Madman decides to show up) and I will take control next turn.

[Maegtelluma]

Acceptable for me. Are all the orders in?

[Whiteknight]

Oh no, I forgot! Getting orders in now.

Lol... Sub attacked himself and disbanded a unit. Hehe

[Maegtelluma]

Isn't that...illegal? Your units cannot attack each other, that's an invalid order, intentional or not.

[OboeGuru]

Maeg is right, you cannot dislodge your own armies. Those moves fail also because you can't trade places without a convoy.

Has anyone else read through the Avalon Hill Rulebook, or am I the only one?

[Whiteknight]

Well, I was thinking that it was illegal, but I didn't really say anything because it didn't really pertain to me.

That brings me to another question:

Say you two units to move into one country, not supporting eachother, just moving. Then, another player orders 1 unit into that country. Does that mean that it is all a bounce, because they would have all bounced eachother? Or would that mean that since you can't attack yourself, then the other player would get the country?

I started to read through it, I got through a few pages, but it's quite long...

(Hm, ruined my perfect 2000ness. Meh)

[OboeGuru]

No, it would be a bounce between the three units.
Technically, moving two of your own units to the same area is not attacking yourself.

[Whiteknight]

Okay, one more thing. Say two units from two different players are ordered to move into a country. Then say another player supports a unit into that country. Is it all a bounce or does the person with the support get it? Or would the person need to have 2 support to get it? I tried searching for that before if it ever came up in my game, but I couldn't find it.

[OboeGuru]

Huh? You mean a third player supports one of the two? If so, the answer is (obviously) the supported guys gets it. If you mean a third attacks with support the same area as two guys attacking with one each, he only needs one support to take it.

[Subjukator]

Concerning the bouncing/dislodging with my units: I was just switching units with my fleet going into Nav and my army to Por. I used the support command to make sure that my fleet got into Nav.

It really doesn't matter either way. Nothing changes.

And nothing got disbanded. I'll remember that rule in the future now. Thank you.

[Maegtelluma]

So....uh...who are we waiting on?

[OboeGuru]

Best guess, one or more of: TGB, FK, madman

[BlackHawk]

Actually I had a lot of homework (one of which was an in-class essay exam worth 10% of our mark and we were assigned 3 questions and had to come up and memorize 3 points for to support our view on each question for today...)

*****

BH’s Open – Modern Diplo
“Let’s all gangbang Italy!” Spring 2001

Summary

All the countries decide to gang up on Italy as the superpower is further pounded into the ground; it’s navy is all in shambles, and it’s front lines are in dismay. Germany turns all out aggressor as the new leader decides that he the nation has been nice enough, he’s pulling a Hitler. Ukraine takes shots on all sides from it’s ally of Fall 2000 and from it’s ally throughout the game Turkey. It does not look good for Ukraine as fighting two fronts is the last thing it needs at the moment. Spain does a reshuffle of his forces, taking some German and Italian land in the process. England is still playing the isolationist role extremely well, not even attacking the Germans who have dug deep into it’s homeland. Russia is still holding on by just a nose as Poland pounds at it, occupying the SC Gorky.

Germany (OboeGuru):

A Mun
A Ber
-----
A Swi -> Mil
A Sax S A Mun-> Aus
A Slo S A Mun -> Aus
F Bhm S F Swe ->Bal
F Swe ->Bal
F Nth -> Edi
F Lon -> Wal
F Eng -> Iri
F Nor -> Swe
F Ska -> Nor
A Bor HOLD
A Auv -> Mar
A Lyo S A Auv -> Mar
A Mun -> Aus
A Ber -> Sil

Egypt (Mattimeo): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Spain (Subjukator):

Retreat A Nav-Mad
-----
F Svl
-----
F Svl-Por
A Mad-Nav
F Tunisia-Tyrrhenian Sea
A Libya-Tunisia
F Western Mediterrenean S F Tunisia-Tyrrhenian Sea
A Bar S A Mad
F Gulf of Lyon-Auv
F Nav-Bay of Biscay

Italy (Madman5):
NMR.

(All units hold. A Aus retreats to Ven; F Ion retreats to Nap; Disband A Mar and A Mon).

Russia (WhiteKnight):

Gor - Mur
Vol - Ura

Poland (TGB):

A StP-Gor
A Mos Support A StP-Gor
A Bie Support A Mos
A Kra Hold
A Lat-Fin
F Gulf of Bothnia Convoy A Lat-Fin
F Bal Hold (Dislodged)

Ukraine (Maegtelluma):

A Ode
-----
A Bos – Cro (Bounce)
A Ser S A Bos – Cro (Cut) (Dislodged)
A Austria – Venice (Bounce) (Dislodged)
A Hungary – Austria (Bounce)
A Rumania – Hungary (Bounce)
A Ode – Rumania (Bounce)
A Sev - Kiev
A Rostov – Geo (Bounce)
F E. Black Sea S A Rostov - Geo

France (OboeGuru): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Turkey (ForeignKid):

F Ist
-----
F WBS – Sev
F Ist – WBS
A Mac – Ser
A Bul S A Mac – Ser
A Geo H
F Ank S A Geo H
F Ion S F Lbn - Mal
F Lbn - Mal
A Sau – Jor
F Ale – Lbn
F Aeg - Gre
F Gre - Alb
F EMe H

Britain (Tanain Hawkwing):

Builds / Retreats / Disbands / SC Count

Germany: 0/-/0/15
Egypt: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Spain: 0/-/0/8
Italy: 0/2 (F Tyr – Rom, Disband; F Mal has no valid retreats and is disbanded)/0/7
Russia: 0/-/0/2
Poland: 0/1 (F Bal – Gda, Lit, Lat, Pru, Disband)/0/7
Ukraine: 0/2 (A Aus – Swi, Cze, Disband; A Ser has no valid retreats and is disbanded)/0/9
France: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Turkey: 0/-/0/13
Britain: 0/-/0/2

Map

http://www.yoxio.com/img/49532.gif

Next orders (Fall 2001) are due: Thursday June 10th @ 9 p.m. EST (GMT -5). Please note: the map will probably be up by Friday afternoon (half day :D).

[OboeGuru]

Ahoy, Spain, we must chitty-chat.

[BlackHawk]

I would also like to inform you guys (but also so I remember) the winning conditions for a solo is 33 SC's.

[Whiteknight]

What? Hey! That's not quite fair that OG took over the most powerful nation. >.< No points for him, better be. >.<

[Maegtelluma]

Damn....that....sucked.

I'm screwed

Nah, he shouldn't get points, because it was Cyg's work, and it wasn't really legit anyway.

EDIT: can't my army from Aus retreat to Munich, also?

[Whiteknight]

Germany (OboeGuru):

A Swi -> Mil
A Sax S A Mun-> Aus
A Slo S A Mun -> Aus
A Mun -> Aus

Ukraine (Maegtelluma):

A Austria – Venice (Bounce) (Dislodged)

EDIT: can't my army from Aus retreat to Munich, also? It actually is supposed to retreat to Swi, as that is the only open spot. So, GM, the stress getting to you? ;)

BTW, OG already has a ton of points, and he just takes over the most powerful nation. Bah, w/e, I'll go with it. :)

[Maegtelluma]

Ah...they switched. That explained it. And i think Ser has to be disbanded, unless i can retreat with a convoy. Unless Mac is open...that might work.

That was a really bad turn. Yuck.

[TheGreatBrain]

Would like to see map, PLZ.

[Whiteknight]

There is no map because of Yoxio being down.

BH, try using kupatrix, they won't ever go away and it has not gone down so far.

Plus you have to fix the map, or at least the post.

[OboeGuru]

As soon as the map gets back up I'll look into the retreat situation.

[Subjukator]

An extension will be needed until this weekend because of THE MAP BEING DOWN.

[Maegtelluma]

The map is uh....gone?

[Whiteknight]

*Cough* www.kupatrix.com/uploads *COUGH* >.<

[BlackHawk]

There is no map because of Yoxio being down.

BH, try using kupatrix, they won't ever go away and it has not gone down so far.

Plus you have to fix the map, or at least the post.

Map has been changed, sorry 'bout that. If you guys can't get your orders in tonight, the due date is changed to Tuesday June 15th @ 6 p.m. EST (GMT -5). If you cannot get your orders in tonight then just say you need the extension and it's granted, but the map will not be done 'til Tues night because I have exams monday and tuesday :(.

And what do I have to change on the map / post?

[Maegtelluma]

Yuck....exams suck. I have mine then too....who needs to get orders in?
After school's over we ought to be able to give this forum a nice little kick start.

[OboeGuru]

Map has been changed, sorry 'bout that. If you guys can't get your orders in tonight, the due date is changed to Tuesday June 15th @ 6 p.m. EST (GMT -5). If you cannot get your orders in tonight then just say you need the extension and it's granted, but the map will not be done 'til Tues night because I have exams monday and tuesday :(.

And what do I have to change on the map / post?
Ukraine A Ser is forced to disband (no valid retreats), A Aus can also retreat to Cze.

That is all. Everything else looks fine.

[Whiteknight]

Ukraine A Ser is forced to disband (no valid retreats), A Aus can also retreat to Cze.

That is all. Everything else looks fine.
*Ahem*

It can also retreat to Swi.

A Swi -> Mil
That means that Swi is open, there was no bounce there. So Swi and Cze are both acceptable.

[OboeGuru]

*ahem*
I said: A Aus can ALSO retreat to Cze.

Implying that I recognize it can retreat to Swi. Funny word, "also"...

[Whiteknight]

Ah... yes... Aheh... =\

I knew that. :shiftyr:

Well I got confused because you quoted BH's post, not mine, so an also was in referral to nothing unless you read the above post in context with yours.

Yes... That will do...

[BlackHawk]

Ukraine A Ser is forced to disband (no valid retreats), A Aus can also retreat to Cze.

That is all. Everything else looks fine.

Everything's fixed. Thank's all for being patiant.

[Subjukator]

A Libya-Tunisia

You need to move my army. Sorry but I missed this part. You'll need to edit the map again :(

[BlackHawk]

You need to move my army. Sorry but I missed this part. You'll need to edit the map again :(

Yea, I'll do that when I make the new map (before I do everyone's moves).

Btw, just thought I would remind you all that orders are due tonight at 6 p.m. EST (GMT - 5), however I will accept them by 9 (although the map will therefore be done tommorow morning, Joe Schmo is on tonight!!!!!!). Also I will be taking over for Italy, so there will be no more free SC's for you slackers! (Unless of course I get owned badass style).

[Subjukator]

I hate you :)

[TheGreatBrain]

Stop the ride! I want to get off!

Polish Orders:

F Baltic Sea Retreat Gda

F Gda-Baltic Sea
F Gulf of Bothnia Support F Gda-Baltic Sea
A Fin-Swe
A Gor Hold
A Mos Support A Gor Hold
A Kra Hold
A Bie Support A Kra Hold

[BlackHawk]

M'kay just waiting on FK, if his orders are not in by 2 then I'll make the map...(he's had plenty of time).

[LordAhriman]

I would like to take over as Italy if this is possible.

[BlackHawk]

I would like to take over as Italy if this is possible.

That is entirely possible, and if you could send your orders for Fall 2001 ASAP I would be grateful as I wish to make the map soon. (For your orders use the map / summary on page 32 (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?t=1588&page=32&pp=10) (scroll down a bit to see the post) ).

[LordAhriman]

Orders sent (at around one)

[BlackHawk]

Orders sent (at around one)

Got 'em, please read the PM I sent you, then send 'em back ;). Don't worry, you're doing better then I was at first.

[LordAhriman]

Re-sent :D Thanks for helping a noob such as myself.

[Maegtelluma]

Are my orders in? I can get them in tonight but frankly i don't remember :)

[Whiteknight]

Are my orders in? I can get them in tonight but frankly i don't remember :)
M'kay just waiting on FK, if his orders are not in by 2 then I'll make the map...(he's had plenty of time).
Mmm... :)

[BlackHawk]

BH’s Open – Modern Diplo
“Grey > Blue” Fall 2001

Summary

Italy’s leader has been overthrown and a new one has taken over, it seems that the people of Italy were sick of the ex-leaders inactivity. Italy’s new leader has made all it’s forces reatreat to protect the mainland for a last stand. Britain is finally out of the running as German forces destroy the last bit of resistance. Germany also finds the other nations seem to be ganging up on him as he loses land on all sides. The Spaniards move their lines forward; however their attempt on Italy fails. Ukraine wrestles back some of it’s lost land from Turkey, but to the east it’s attempts prove futile and Turkey keeps one of his other land pieces. The Russian troops stand motionless passing up a great opportunity to take St. Petersburg back. The Polish forces move out to take the Baltic Sea, and hold on the Russian flank, successfully snatching up an SC in the process.

Germany (OboeGuru):

A Mil S A Aus
A Sax -> Cze
A Slo S A Sil -> Kra
F Bhm -> Bal (Bounce)
F Bal -> Gda (Bounce) (Dislodged)
F Edi HOLD
F Wal -> Liv
F Iri -> Ire
F Swe HOLD
F Nor -> Nth
A Bor HOLD (Dislodged)
A Mar HOLD
A Lyo -> H
A Aus S A Slo
A Sil -> Kra (Bounce)

Egypt (Mattimeo): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Spain (Subjukator):

F Bay of Biscay S A Nav-Bor
A Nav-Bor
F Por-Nav
A Bar S F Auv
F Auv Hold
F Western Mediterranean-Gulf of Lyon
F Tyrrhenian Sea C A Tunisia-Rom
A Tunisia-Rom (Bounce)

Italy (LordAhriman):

F Lig -> Pie
F Tyr -> Rom
A Ven -> Tus
A Cro -> Ven
F Adr HOLD
F Nap HOLD

Russia (WhiteKnight):

NMR.

(All units hold).

Poland (TGB):

F Baltic Sea Retreat Gda
-----
F Gda-Baltic Sea
F Gulf of Bothnia Support F Gda-Baltic Sea
A Fin-Swe (Bounce)
A Gor Hold
A Mos Support A Gor Hold
A Kra Hold
A Bie Support A Kra Hold

Ukraine (Maegtelluma):

(No retreat named for A Ser, therefore it disbands)
A Aus retreats to Swi
-----
F E. Black Sea – Sev (Bounce)
A Kiev - Ode
A Rum – Bul (Bounce)
A Bos - Ser
A Hungary S A Bos - Ser
A Swi - Als
A Rostov – Geo (Bounce)

France (OboeGuru): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Turkey (ForeignKid):

NMR.

(All units hold. A Ser H (Dislodged)).

Britain (Tanain Hawkwing): ELIMINATED F ‘01

Builds / Retreats / Disbands / SC Count

Germany: 5/2 (F Bal – Lit, Lat, Disband; A Bor – Par, Bri, Disband)/0/20
Egypt: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Spain: 1/-/0/9
Italy: 0/-/1/5
Russia: 0/-/1/1
Poland: 1/-/0/8
Ukraine: 1/-/0/7
France: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Turkey: 1/-/0/14
Britain: Eliminated Fall ‘01


Map

http://www.yoxio.com/img/51835.gif

The next orders (Spring 2002) are due: Sunday June 20 at 9 p.m. EST (GMT -5). If you need extensions or whatnot, feel free to ask.

[Subjukator]

Ummm... Russia has only one SC yet two armies... hmmm

And better change that color for Als ;)

[Whiteknight]

I thought I sent my orders. -.-;; Damn, I would have gone to stp and gor. Oh well, not like it matters much.

[BlackHawk]

Ummm... Russia has only one SC yet two armies... hmmm

And better change that color for Als ;)

Oops, my bad, changing right now. And the colour for Als is right...ain't it? :\

[OboeGuru]

German F Bal retreats to Lit.

Please remake the map and the summary of changes to reflect this.

I don't know if you've been doing this in the past or if it ever was an issue, but since the retreat gains me an SC and makes Russia lose one, it must be reflected before next orders can be given.

[BlackHawk]

German F Bal retreats to Lit.

Remake the map and the summary of changes to reflect this.

And what of German A Bor?

And I believe I will also follow this system for now on. Therefore, when you have retreats post them after you look at the map, or before next orders are due (at least 1 day in advance to give everyone a fair chance to look at it). IMHO this way is much better and evens it out, plus it makes everything a bit more organized.

I don't know if you've been doing this in the past or if it ever was an issue, but since the retreat gains me an SC and makes Russia lose one, it must be reflected before next orders can be given.

Haven't done it in the past, however it was never and issue. And it makes Poland (TGB) lose an SC, not Russia (WK).

In a PM just from Turkey:

I quit

It appears Turkey has resigned, for unknown reasons. Therefore I will be looking for a replacement because a power this big cannot go leader-less.

[LordAhriman]

God damnit.

Had I waited a day, I could have been turkey instead of these dying italians D:

[Maegtelluma]

A stroke of luck that i can capitalize on! Finally.

[BlackHawk]

~ Nevermind.

// deletion would be bliss.

// authorization code: A2RR1-777

[OboeGuru]

Pah. I suggest not going on until Turkey has a new leader. Not even an hour has passed since the map was posted, we should wait. Everyone formulate plans around Turkey having a leader.

EDIT: The above sounds fine.

- - - - -

Russia, Poland... they're all to the East... :p
A Bor -> Par, incidentally.

[Whiteknight]

I volunteer for Turkey!

[OboeGuru]

I volunteer for Turkey!
I suggest you volunteer for Chicken; with its head cut off, that is.

[BlackHawk]

Hmm, I guess so, that leaves Russia dead, lol, but that doesn't really matter, sorry Lord, but I'm sure you can whip Italy into shape, maybe with some help from the Yellow Menace? Anyway, yea WK, you can be Turkey, Lord stays as Italy, going to edit my initial post. And new map (with Oboe's changes) will be up tommorow (getting late). I'll post to tell you guys when I've edited. Same deadline as previousely stated.

[Whiteknight]

I suggest you volunteer for Chicken; with its head cut off, that is.
Oh shush, you'll encounter no resistance if I do this.

[LordAhriman]

Ah, damn, didn't see the last page.

[Whiteknight]

Wow... that's a lot of units. ^_^ Gogo second largest power!

Oh yes. The end of Russia's units:


A ura disband

A mur Holds (for all time)

[Maegtelluma]

My orders are in.

Sub, BH, WK, Ahriman, check your Pms

[Whiteknight]

My orders are in.

Sub, BH, WK, Ahriman, check your Pms
/me believes there to be a problem.

Oi, I better get my orders in now.

[LordAhriman]

Orders sent.

[Whiteknight]

Since I wasn't able to get in orders today, and it is too late to now, I would like to request and extension to monday at 6 pm (-7 GMT), as tomorrow is fathers day and we have a day planned. If not, I'll try to get in orders tomorrow.

[Maegtelluma]

bleh. you've had 5 days :p

[BlackHawk]

Since I wasn't able to get in orders today, and it is too late to now, I would like to request and extension to monday at 6 pm (-7 GMT), as tomorrow is fathers day and we have a day planned. If not, I'll try to get in orders tomorrow.

Granted because I won't get the map done tonight, so I can do it tommorow night then. Sounds good, just make sure to get them in.

[TheGreatBrain]

I sense the plan for defense against Germany, along with a plan for my doom, has been laid. Oh well.

Polish Orders:

A Gda

A Kra-War
A Bie-Lit
F Baltic Sea Support A Bie-Lit
F Gulf of Bothnia Support F Baltic Sea
A Gda-Pru
A Gor-Mur
A Fin Support A Gor-Mur
A Mos-StP

[Subjukator]

Orders PMed

[LordAhriman]

Orders Resent, with mistakes fixed.

[Whiteknight]

Okay, orders are being worked out currently.

[LordAhriman]

Time for orders is over, by my clock.

[Maegtelluma]

Yeah, WK. Looks like Turkey has NMR :P

[LordAhriman]

Yep, that's too bad :D

[Whiteknight]

Give a guy with exams for the whole week a break. I'm getting them in in about 5 to 10 min. Just wait! Sheesh.

EDIT: Ugh... stupid exams. I'm getting close to done, it's just that exams havn't left me much thought to strategy. Ah well, getting them in right now.

I have found a mistake in BH's map. My army in Serbia should have been able to retreat to Mac, but BH did not post it at the bottom where it says retreats and he didn't move it to it's only retreat possible. Therefore, I am reflecting this in my orders and it will show that an army is in Mac, which is rightfully so, and the rule where you have to state retreats beforehand should not apply because you forget it yourself.

Orders:

A Bul retreats to Mac

Build A Ada

F Lbn S F Mal
F Mal S F Ionian Sea - Nap
F Ionian Sea - Nap
F Eme - Aeg
F Alb S A Mac - Ser
A Bul S A Mac - Ser
A Mac - Ser
F Gre S F Alb
F Wbs - Bul
F Ank S A Geo H
A Geo - Ros
F Sev - Ode
A Jor - Syr

[BlackHawk]

Sorry about that WK.

And we're currently waiting on Italy, he needs to correct his orders....

[BlackHawk]

Map / Post on page 40 (http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?p=63405#post63405) with edits...

[LordAhriman]

F Nap retreats to Apulia.

[Maegtelluma]

My order A Hungary - Austria doesn't say fail, why don't I have an army there? :p

Not a single one of my orders worked. How about that? Wow.

[BlackHawk]

My order A Hungary - Austria doesn't say fail, why don't I have an army there? :p

Damn, sorry I totally overlooked that. Map and post edited with changes (Italy therefore takes Mil because you cut Aus' support, I think Italy owes you a cookie :D). However you're order still fails, gotta love all the bounces.

[Whiteknight]

*COUGH*

F Gre S F Alb

*COUGH*

Alb can still support mac because of that.

[OboeGuru]

Hey there, BH... you never updated the results of last Fall.
Poland wasn't supposed to get a build this turn.

So there is no Polish A Gda and my A Ber is in Pru.
And F Lit retreats to Gda and A Mil to Swi.

I'm going to check on something else later.

- - - - -

Also, Spain's move to Lig did NOT fail. Nothing else is moving there. ;)

[LordAhriman]

Damn, sorry I totally overlooked that. Map and post edited with changes (Italy therefore takes Mil because you cut Aus' support, I think Italy owes you a cookie :D). However you're order still fails, gotta love all the bounces.
YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

A THOUSAND COOKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Maegtelluma]

mmm

Btw BH, hasn't june 18th past? Do you mean this coming friday? I think thats the 25th.

[TheGreatBrain]

Actually, I gave up Kra on purpose.

Hey there, BH... you never updated the results of last Fall.
Poland wasn't supposed to get a build this turn.

So there is no Polish A Gda and my A Ber is in Pru.
And F Lit retreats to Gda and A Mil to Swi.

I'm going to check on something else later.
If the map is going to be revised, I should get to redo my orders, because I had no idea about this "update" that was supposed to happen.

[BlackHawk]

EDIT: I'm going with the 'fix the problems, sorry TGB' method. If I redo the orders and whatnot this game is going to get far behind and I would like to do a few more turns before I'm gone...

[Subjukator]

How bout just fix your mistakes (work through them) and just repost the map espically with my fleet moving from the Gulf of Lyon to Lig because a whole lot of other moves depended on that one. OK?

[BlackHawk]

*COUGH*

F Gre S F Alb

*COUGH*

Alb can still support mac because of that.

Actually that just supports it against attacks from the outside (as in against someone taking it over) but does not support it in it's support of another country (Gre cannot support Alb's support of Mac). Sorry.

Btw, so far I have 3 countries retreats of 4 (need Poland). The retreats gathered so far are: Italian F Nap retreats to Apu; German F Lit - Gda and A Mil to Swi. If you wish to alter these please post changes ASAP.

******************************

BH’s Open – Modern Diplo
“Wanted: Less Mistakes” Spring 2002

Summary

Spain unites with his game-long enemy Italy against the Turkish threat; however their attempts to make a dent in the Turkish war machine fails and even ends up losing Italy land. The two allies also fight the same enemy to the north, Italy and Germany scrapping over Mil while Spain takes Bri for extra leverage in the coming turns. Poland unknowingly gives away Kra as he tries to secure War and instead gets defeated in a smart German strategy. But Poland can breath a sigh of relief as the German fleet behind Polish lines is destroyed…at least for now; but Germany has not stopped giving him trouble as two German armies have broke through the Polish defence. Finally a stalemate develops between Turkey and Ukraine.

Germany (OboeGuru):

A Ham
A Ber
A Fra
A Mun
-----
A Mil S A Aus (Cut) (Dislodged)
A Cze -> Kra
A Slo S A Cze -> Kra
F Bhm S F Swe H
F Lit -> Bie (Bounce) (Dislodged)
F Edi -> Nth
F Liv -> Iri
F Ire -> NAO
F Swe H
F Nth -> Nor
A Par H
A Mar H
A Lyo S A Mar H
A Aus S A Mil (Cut)
A Sil -> War (Bounce)
A Ham -> Hol
A Ber -> Pru
A Fra -> Ruh
A Mun H

Egypt (Mattimeo): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Spain (Subjukator):

A Madrid
-----
A Tunisia-Libya
F Tyrrhenian-Maltese Sea (Bounce)
F Gulf of Lyon-Lig
F Auv-Gulf of Lyon
A Bar-Auv
A Madrid-Bar
F Bay of Biscay S A Bor-Brittany
A Bor-Brittany
F Nav-Bor

Italy (LordAhriman):

F Pie Disband
-----
F Adr -> Alb (Bounce)
F Rom -> Tyr (Bounce)
F Nap SUPPORT Spanish F Tyr -> Mal (Cut) (Dislodged)
A Tus -> Mil
A Ven SUPPORT A Tus -> Mil

Russia (WhiteKnight):

A Ura disband
-----
A Mur Holds (Dislodged)

Poland (TGB):

A Kra-War (Bounce) (Dislodged)
A Bie-Lit
F Baltic Sea Support A Bie-Lit
F Gulf of Bothnia Support F Baltic Sea
A Gor-Mur
A Fin Support A Gor-Mur
A Mos-StP

Ukraine (Maegtelluma):

Build A Kiev
-----
F East. Black Sea - West Black Sea (Bounce)
A Rostov – Geo (Bounce)
A Kiev – Sev (Bounce)
A Ode S A Kiev – Sev (Cut) (Fail)
A Hungary – Austria (Bounce)
A Rum – Bulgaria (Bounce)
A Serbia S A Rum – Bulgaria (Cut) (Fail)
A Als – Paris (Bounce)

France (OboeGuru): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Turkey (WhiteKnight):

A Bul retreats to Mac (I take it you mean A Ser retreat to Mac?)
-----
Build A Ada
-----
F Lbn S F Mal
F Mal S F Ionian Sea - Nap
F Ionian Sea - Nap
F Eme - Aeg
F Alb S A Mac – Ser (Cut) (Fail)
A Bul S A Mac – Ser (Cut) (Fail)
A Mac – Ser (Bounce)
F Gre S F Alb
F Wbs – Bul (Bounce)
F Ank S A Geo H
A Geo – Ros (Bounce)
F Sev – Ode (Bounce)
A Jor - Syr

Britain (Tanain Hawkwing): ELIMINATED F ‘01

Builds / Retreats / Disbands / SC Count

Germany: 0/2 (F Lit – Lat, Disband; A Mil – Pie, Swi, Disband)/0/20
Egypt: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Spain: 0/-/0/9
Italy: 0/1 (F Nap – Apu, Disband)/0/5
Russia: 0/1 (A Mur – Ura, Lap, Disband)/0/1
Poland: 0/1 (A Kra – War, Bie, Pod, Disband)/0/8
Ukraine: 0/-/0/7
France: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Turkey: 0/-/0/14
Britain: Eliminated Fall ‘01

Map

http://www.yoxio.com/img/54086.gif

The next orders (Fall 2002) are due: Friday June 25 at 7 p.m. EST (GMT -5). Extensions can be given but will delay the game a week. If you find any problems in the map please inform me ASAP. For those of you with retreats to do, please post them ASAP so I can post a map with retreats shown.

[OboeGuru]

Actually, I believe you're wrong about the whole Alb thing, BH.

Alb can support Mac because it's being given additional support against attack from F Gre, which holds off the force of F Adr while F Alb supports A Mac. At least, that's what logic tells me, I don't recall seeing any examples of battle like that in the rulebook, but the above is perfectly reasonable logic.

[BlackHawk]

Actually, I believe you're wrong about the whole Alb thing, BH.

Alb can support Mac because it's being given additional support against attack from F Gre, which holds off the force of F Adr while F Alb supports A Mac. At least, that's what logic tells me, I don't recall seeing any examples of battle like that in the rulebook, but the above is perfectly reasonable logic.

I'm fairly sure that Alb cannot support Mac. This is because Gre is supporting Alb against an attack, i.e. they are standing by ready to help out or counter-attack a unit that attacks Alb. However since Alb is attacked they must fend off the attacking unit (in this case with Gre's help) and therefore cannot help Mac in their attack as they are to busy defending their own position.

If anybody manages to find some proof against this however it seems I'll have to do more altering, but I'm sure that the above is the explanation.

[OboeGuru]

But the Alb Fleet doesn't have to help defend, that's where F Gre comes in, it only takes one unit to repulse one unit, so Alb is free to support. I'll look it up, maybe I missed something.

[BlackHawk]

Well I asked some guys at Redscape and they agree with me on it. Here's (http://www.redscape.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22240) the thread if you wish to check out their answers (it's down a bit, the first question was regarding one from Maeg, go to the post where I have posted the map).

Therefore Mac doesn't take Ser and everythings is fine (I think...). So get those retreat orders in ASAP.

[Maegtelluma]

Nice.

Redscape is awesome, and i'd say that even if they hadn't gone my way :)

And now i'm going to show this to my friend, because when we played i got screwed on the same situation and I just let them go on it. (Went on to win anyway, 4 players, i got britain and everyone else had two countries, i won, :D)

[Whiteknight]

Bah, I would have phrased my orders differently if I had known that. Mmm... does anyone know where I can find a rulebook?

Russia's retreat:

A Mur - lap

Hmm...

[BlackHawk]

Bah, I would have phrased my orders differently if I had known that. Mmm... does anyone know where I can find a rulebook?

Yoink Oboe's?

Btw, just waiting on Polands retreat orders, hopefully I can update the map before tommorow night to give you guys some time...

[Maegtelluma]

search "diplomacy game rules" on google, i think i found a .pdf from there

[LordAhriman]

I have the real rulebook (got the game yesterday) sitting next to me, but I can't for the life of me understand what the problem was with his orders.

[OboeGuru]

I play with the 2000 revision Avalon Hill rules.

http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf

There are quite a few things that don't make sense when logic is applied...

Maybe I'll make up a special rulebook for Warborads of stuff that makes sense...
Nah, too much work. :p

[Whiteknight]

I read through that quickly, I'll read through that carefully and locate what I need next time.

You see, it makes sense to me that a support order is just a move/attack order that is to help another unit. So, it's just ordering a unit to move to another country, and then move back after it is done.

So let's go real time for this.

A Alb and A Mac move towards Serbia while F Greece moves towards Mac and F Adr moves towards Mac. Fast forward a few days. A Alb and A Mac are on the borders of Serbia, overcoming the army in serbia because of the double amount of people. F Greece and F Adr are on the borders of Mac now. Fast forward a bit. A Alb and A Mac are overcoming the army in Serbia because of the double amount of people. Meanwhile, in Mac, F Greece and F Adr are duking it out. They have a standoff and no one can win. Fast forward a bit. A Mac returns, it's job done. F Greece returns, having it's job done and having standoff. F Adr retreats because of the standoff.

That's how it makes sense to me.

[TheGreatBrain]

Polish Orders:

A War Retreat Bie

A Mur Hold
A Lit Hold
A Fin-Swe
A StP-Lat
F Gulf of Bothnia Support A StP-Lat
F Baltic Sea-Gda
A Bie-War
A Lit Support A Bie-War

[BlackHawk]

BH’s Open – Modern Diplo
Spring 2002 Adjustments

Germany (OboeGuru):

F Lit retreat Gda
A Mil retreat Swi

Egypt (Mattimeo): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Spain (Subjukator):

N/A

Italy (LordAhriman):

F Nap retreat Apu

Russia (WhiteKnight):

A Mur retreat Lap

Poland (TGB):

A Kra retreat Bie

Ukraine (Maegtelluma):

N/A

France (OboeGuru): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Turkey (WhiteKnight):

N/A

Britain (Tanain Hawkwing): ELIMINATED F ‘01

Builds / Retreats / Disbands / SC Count

Germany: 0/-/0/20
Egypt: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Spain: 0/-/0/9
Italy: 0/-/0/5
Russia: 0/-/0/1
Poland: 0/-/0/8
Ukraine: 0/-/0/7
France: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Turkey: 0/-/0/14
Britain: Eliminated Fall ‘01

Map

http://www.yoxio.com/img/55056.gif

The next orders (Fall 2002) are due: Friday June 25 at 7 p.m. EST (GMT -5). Extensions can be given but will delay the game a week. If you find any problems with the map and/or orders please inform me ASAP.

[Whiteknight]

You gave me a fricken heart attack there. I thought I forgot to turn in orders! >.<

Phew! -_-;;

[Maegtelluma]

Sheesus orders due today? I forgot....

PMing

[TheGreatBrain]

Polish Orders:

A Mur Hold
A Fin-Swe
A StP-Mos
F Baltic Sea Hold
F Gulf of Bothnia Support A Baltic Sea Hold
A Bie-War
A Lit Support A Bie-War

[Whiteknight]

I'll get my orders in by 10 pm (-7GMT) tonight, as I have people coming over right this instance. I might/probably will get them in before, but that's the latest they will be in.

[LordAhriman]

Orders sent, and not a damn soul responded to my diplomatic requests. I guess that spells the end of Italy.

[Whiteknight]

Getting them in, WAIT!!!!

*Cough* Getting them in tomorrow before 4 pm, WAIT!! *cough* :p

Sorry, I did a few things. I'll get them in for sure right when I get up, I promise. Just please wait.

[BlackHawk]

We're waiting on Sub (Spain) and WK (Russia / Turkey). If they are not in by 5 p.m. EST (GMT -5) tonight, then I will make the map.

[Whiteknight]

Okay, getting orders in right now. Thank you for waiting.

Pming orders now.

[LordAhriman]

It's about that time again, folks.

[BlackHawk]

It's about that time again, folks.

It's even better then christmas...at least for the Fuhrer ;).

********************

BH’s Open – Modern Diplo
“This GM Sux0rz!!11!!” Fall 2002

Summary

Ukraine finally gains some momentum in his battle against Turkey by taking both Sev and Bulgaria with the help of Italy. Turkey takes the Eastern Black Sea and now has full sea support in the battle against Ukraine. Poland is pushed farther back, losing land as Germany continues is relentless attack, securing Gda, War, and Kra. To the east Germany also takes Als off of Ukraine and Auv from Spain, and the German fleet also makes moves that could severely injure Spain in the coming seasons. Poland does make some headway however, after a few years of fighting Poland finally destroys Russia, the pest that has been bugging and wasting his resources for the past years. Italy manages to wrangle Mil from Germany while holding most of his land and coming out even, suprising when he is against everyone.

Germany (OboeGuru):

A Swi S A Mar H (Cut)
A Kra S A Sil -> War
A Slo -> Hun
F Bhm -> Bal (Bounce)
F Gda H
F Nth -> Eng
F Iri S F NAO -> MAO
F NAO -> MAO
F Swe H
F Nor S F Swe
A Par S A Lyo -> Auv
A Mar H
A Lyo -> Auv
A Aus S A Slo -> Hun
A Sil -> War
A Hol -> Bel
A Pru S A Sil -> War
A Ruh S A Mun -> Als
A Mun -> Als

Egypt (Mattimeo): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Spain (Subjukator):

NMR.

(All units hold. A Auv (Dislodged).).

Italy (LordAhriman):

F Rom -> Nap (Bounce)
F Apu SUPPORT F Rom -> Nap (Fail)
F Adr -> Alb (Bounce)
A Ven SUPPORT A Mil
A Mil SUPPORT A Ven

Russia (WhiteKnight): ELIMINATED F '02

A Lap – Mur (Bounce)

Poland (TGB):

A Mur Hold
A Fin-Swe (Bounce)
A StP-Mos
F Baltic Sea Hold
F Gulf of Bothnia Support A Baltic Sea Hold
A Bie-War (Bounce)
A Lit Support A Bie – War (Fail)

Ukraine (Maegtelluma):

A Als – Swi (Bounce) (Dislodged)
A Hungary – Austria (Bounce)
A Serbia – Bulgaria
A Rum S A Ser - Bul
F EBS – WBS (Bounce) (Dislodged)
A Rostov – Geo (Bounce)
A Kiev - Sev
A Ode S A Kiev - Sev

France (OboeGuru): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Turkey (WhiteKnight):

F Lbn - Esa
F Mal S F Nap
F Nap H
F Ank S F Sev - Ebs
F Sev - Ebs
A Mac – Ser
A Bul S A Mac – Ser (Cut) (Dislodged)
F Alb S A Mac – Ser (Cut)
F Gre S F Aeg - Ion
F Aeg - Ion
A Geo – Ros (Bounce)
A Ada - Arm
A Syr - Isr
F Wbs – Sev (Bounce)

Britain (Tanain Hawkwing): ELIMINATED F ‘01

Builds / Retreats / Disbands / SC Count

Germany: 4/-/0/23
Egypt: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Spain: 0/1 (A Auv – Nav, Disband)/0/9
Italy: 0/-/0/5
Russia: Eliminated Fall ‘02
Poland: 0/-/1/6
Ukraine: 0/2 (A Als – Pic, Disband; F EBS – Don, Disband; A Hun – Pod, Cro, Disband)/1/7
France: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Turkey: 0/1 (A Bul – Ist, Disband)/0/14
Britain: Eliminated Fall ‘01

Map

http://www.yoxio.com/img/56257.gif

Next orders (Winter Adjustments 2002 (just your builds / disbands / retreats) ) are due: Friday July 2 at 8 p.m. EST (GMT -5).

[LordAhriman]

F Adr -> Alb (Bounce)Now, I may be new, but doesn't an attack on an unsupported unit dislodge it?

Otherwise I'm quite pleased with having (almost) the original land area of Italy back. When I do, free cookies for everyone.

[Whiteknight]

Lord Ahrim, leader of Italy, you have just made one grevious mistake. Now you shall feel the wrath of one of the biggest countries in the world. You will rue this day.

BH, state one reason why Mac - Ser was bounced out of Ser if no one else went to Ser and the army in Ser left. Please change the map to reflect this.

Now, I may be new, but doesn't an attack on an unsupported unit dislodge it? Err... have you read the rules? That's pretty much one of the most important rules. You need a unit to support another unit to dislodge an enemy unit. Please read http://ry4an.org/diptutor/ to gain more understanding.

[OboeGuru]

BH:

Hungary is mine, it can't cut support against itself so it is dislodged.

Also: my A Hol should be in Bel; and I have 3 builds, not 2. And it's a disband for Poland, not a build because he has 7 units and 6 SCs. And Whiteknight's claim is valid, he should have Serbia, so the Ukraine has a possible one disband dependant upon where Hungary retreats to.

"Still Wanted: Less Mistakes" ;)

[Maegtelluma]

1v1= bounce. If it was weak bounce, that would only work if the unit you're attacking had tried to move somewhere else, failed, and was also attacked from another province.


Damn...it looked like I had made progress...now i'm going to lose it all :(

[LordAhriman]

Good, I was wondering. I had never tried to do a move like that before.

[BlackHawk]

Hungary is mine, it can't cut support against itself so it is dislodged.

Actually it did not support against itself, it attacked Austria which then cut Slo's support. Since Hungary bounced off of Austria, Slo bounced off of Hungary because from then it was a 1v1 battle.

Btw, Edits made, sorry guys.

[LordAhriman]

I wonder where Sub is...

[OboeGuru]

Actually it did not support against itself, it attacked Austria which then cut Slo's support. Since Hungary bounced off of Austria, Slo bounced off of Hungary because from then it was a 1v1 battle.

Btw, Edits made, sorry guys.
Don't you remember anything from tutorials?

Here's a page from the Diplo Rulebook:
http://www.yoxio.com/img/56520.gif

I also wish to implement stare decisis on this, and point out that in every single game in the past, my statement has held true, therefore it must be held true here as well.

[Subjukator]

I wonder where Sub is...

Computer is broken. Missed the turn o well due to me being absent. Make that due date like next weekend. I might be able to get on then.

[Maegtelluma]

Ukraine commands that A Als disbands, and F EBS retreats to Don

wow that color trick failed, no surprises though...

[BlackHawk]

Map / summary / due date edited. Ukraine you now have another retreat to post, sorry.

[Maegtelluma]

A Hun retreats to Pod


you owe me on this one, Italy....

[Modred]

Anyone notice that BH marked Turkey eliminated Fall '02?

[Whiteknight]

Anyone notice that BH marked Turkey eliminated Fall '02?
Oh no! Little underpants gnomes came and destroyed me country in the night! o_O

Alrighty, please fix that up, BlackHawk.

[Maegtelluma]

woot! turkey for me :D

[Whiteknight]

woot! turkey for me :D
Heh, you wish!

BH, maybe you should just name Poland Russia by now, eh? ;)

[BlackHawk]

Anyone notice that BH marked Turkey eliminated Fall '02?

Meh, Russia Turkey...same thing...

[Maegtelluma]

When are actual orders due?

I have to send mine in tonight anyway, not like it matters, but i'm just curious.

[BlackHawk]

When are actual orders due?

I have to send mine in tonight anyway, not like it matters, but i'm just curious.

Tonight by 8 p.m. EST (GMT -5), however map will be done by tommorow morning (if everyone's orders are in *cough*).

[Maegtelluma]

OK, my orders are in, thanks for the heads-up.

[Whiteknight]

Well, I've been trying to talk to some people, it doesn't seem like they want to wake up. I'll have my orders in by the end of the day, regardless.

EDIT: Heh, I thought this was full orders. ^^;;

Erm...

Anyhoo, A Bul retreats to Ist

[OboeGuru]

Germany's Winter Adjustments:
Build:
A Mun
A Fra
F Ham
A Ber

[BlackHawk]

Well, we're just waiting on Sub's orders, if they're not in by tonight then I'll just retreat it like normal...or whatever.

[OboeGuru]

"Retreat like normal" as in disband?

Anyways, it's after tonight. ... Orsomething like that. Yeah. You get the picture. ;)

[TheGreatBrain]

Polish Orders:

Dis A Mur

A Fin-Swe
F Baltic Sea Hold
F Gulf of Bothnia Support F Baltic Sea Hold
A Lit Support A Bie
A Bie Support A Lit
A Mos Support A Bie

[OboeGuru]

Just adjustments, right? I don't want to accidentally NMR...

[BlackHawk]

I just want adjustments, however if you send whole orders I won't penalize you.

[BlackHawk]

BH’s Open – Modern Diplo
Fall 2002 Adjustments

Germany (OboeGuru):

A Mun
A Fra
F Ham
A Ber

Egypt (Mattimeo): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Spain (Subjukator):

NMR.

(A Auv – Nav)

Italy (LordAhriman):

N/A

Russia (WhiteKnight): ELIMINATED F ‘02

Poland (TGB):

Disband A Mur

Ukraine (Maegtelluma):

A Hun retreats to Pod
F EBS retreats to Don
No mention of A Als, therefore A Als disbands

France (OboeGuru): ELIMINATED F ‘99

Turkey (WhiteKnight):

A Bul retreats to Ist

Britain (Tanain Hawkwing): ELIMINATED F ‘01

Builds / Retreats / Disbands / SC Count

Germany: 0/-/0/23
Egypt: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Spain: 0/-/0/9
Italy: 0/-/0/5
Russia: Eliminated Fall ‘02
Poland: 0/-/0/6
Ukraine: 0/-/0/7
France: Eliminated Fall ‘99
Turkey: 0/-/0/14
Britain: Eliminated Fall ‘01

Map

http://www.yoxio.com/img/60510.gif

The next set of orders (Spring 2003) are due: Wednesday July 7 at 8 p.m. EST (GMT -5). As always look for mistakes and inform me if you need an extension.

[OboeGuru]

BlackHawk, you're starting to make me cry here... What happened to following the rulebook for ALL players?

If a retreat order is not given, it auto-disbands, like you did with Maegtelluma's missing one, but you DIDN'T do it for Subjukator's...

[Subjukator]

Hmmm, if I was online more often, I would care but I'm just going to write this game off. Germany has won though I think it's kinda dumb that OboeGuru gets all the points since any experienced diplo player is guarteened to win with Germany since Cygnus left.

[BlackHawk]

BlackHawk, you're starting to make me cry here... What happened to following the rulebook for ALL players?

I followed the rules set down in Redscape's Handbook (http://www.redscape.com/handbook/index.php). And I am following them for all players.

If a retreat order is not given, it auto-disbands, like you did with Maegtelluma's missing one, but you DIDN'T do it for Subjukator's...

I am following the rules in Redscape's handbook, since I do not have the actual rulebook. I did it for Maeg because he had to disband a unit anyway, therefore he did not mention A Als, and he needed a disband, so it gets disbanded.

Also I believe this game will not be made for points due to the reason that Germany is practically guarenteed a win, generally players kicked out should not come back into the game (as seen by the players that were kicked out early (who should not earn points) have taken over powerful nations and could earn points).

[Whiteknight]

Hmmm, if I was online more often, I would care but I'm just going to write this game off. Germany has won though I think it's kinda dumb that OboeGuru gets all the points since any experienced diplo player is guarteened to win with Germany since Cygnus left.
That's the beuty of the way things are being scored. Even if you come in late in the game and are dominating, it takes however many SCs you start with and end with, figuring the points out like that. So he will still get some points, but he won't get all of them. He has to expand. People can stop him from doing that, too.

[Maegtelluma]

My orders are in

[LordAhriman]

Honestly, I don't believe this game is going to go much of anywhere. I'll be lucky if I can recover the full territory of Italy before the Great German-Turkish War begins.

Having read the thread, I think it's safe to draw the conclusion that the game was basically rigged by Cygnus. Imagine how different a board we'd be looking at if France hadn't been stomped.

[Cygnus]

*lurks in the thread to see how the game is going*

Having read the thread, I think it's safe to draw the conclusion that the game was basically rigged by Cygnus. Imagine how different a board we'd be looking at if France hadn't been stomped.Taking some pot shots while I'm gone. Right? Let me defend myself. The origional player of France made a grave error. He invaded Italy right off the bat hoping to take advantage of a new player. I sectretly supplied the Italians the informaition they needed. They held them off. I waited until I had the troops. Then outflanked France seized Paris and beat him.

I did not "rig" this game. I wasn't even the GM. The game was a fair one, I just had a person who was willing listen to my plans.

Of course the damn game would have been different if France hadn't been stomped but he was. Imagine if I hadn't quit? I'd have liked to see that damn it. Please don't bash me while I'm not here good sir.

Thanks.

[OboeGuru]

I followed the rules set down in Redscape's Handbook (http://www.redscape.com/handbook/index.php). And I am following them for all players.

I am following the rules in Redscape's handbook, since I do not have the actual rulebook. I did it for Maeg because he had to disband a unit anyway, therefore he did not mention A Als, and he needed a disband, so it gets disbanded.

Also I believe this game will not be made for points due to the reason that Germany is practically guarenteed a win, generally players kicked out should not come back into the game (as seen by the players that were kicked out early (who should not earn points) have taken over powerful nations and could earn points).
WTF? So Redscape's Handbook contradicts the Avalon Hill Rulebook... that's f'ed up.

And you're right, it probably shouldn't. And I should probably reformat the points system a little anyways for the whole player-replacement thing.

Taking some pot shots while I'm gone. Right? Let me defend myself. The origional player of France made a grave error. He invaded Italy right off the bat hoping to take advantage of a new player. I sectretly supplied the Italians the informaition they needed. They held them off. I waited until I had the troops. Then outflanked France seized Paris and beat him.

I did not "rig" this game. I wasn't even the GM. The game was a fair one, I just had a person who was willing listen to my plans.

Of course the damn game would have been different if France hadn't been stomped but he was. Imagine if I hadn't quit? I'd have liked to see that damn it. Please don't bash me while I'm not here good sir.

Thanks.
Since when is it a "grave error" to attack an area I think I can conquer? That's the f---ing point of the game, dammit!!! I didn't count on Italy being aided by Germany, and that's what got me tromped, not by attacking Italy right away. France has NO CHOICE but to invade somebody if you hadn't noticed. So if you're going to defend yourself, which I heartily encourage, do it with some decency by not portraying ME as some f---ing moron.

[LordAhriman]

*lurks in the thread to see how the game is going*

Taking some pot shots while I'm gone. Right? Let me defend myself. The origional player of France made a grave error. He invaded Italy right off the bat hoping to take advantage of a new player. I sectretly supplied the Italians the informaition they needed. They held them off. I waited until I had the troops. Then outflanked France seized Paris and beat him.

I did not "rig" this game. I wasn't even the GM. The game was a fair one, I just had a person who was willing listen to my plans.

Of course the damn game would have been different if France hadn't been stomped but he was. Imagine if I hadn't quit? I'd have liked to see that damn it. Please don't bash me while I'm not here good sir.

Thanks.I go with what I see. According to Madman, you gave him exact orders, ones that he himself said he was incapable of functioning without. He was new, had almost no idea how to play, and he's being given orders down to the last detail to stage an invasion that conveniently makes you the most powerful force on the board. Forgive me if, in spite of all this, your intentions were purely innocent, but you see just as well as anyone else what it leans towards. You'll also forgive me if I came into the community after you left it, into a game which was totally changed by your role in it, and I have something to say about that role. My opinion doesn't change if you read it or not.

[Whiteknight]

Wow, you guys need to lighten up. Cygnus was just playing the game, and playing it expertly at that. Taking advantage of people is what this is all about, including backstabbing them when it is to your advantage. All he did was follow what every good diplo player should and he recieves no complaint from me.

As it is 1:10 am right now and I am going to be in the city tomorrow, I request the the orders be extended to around 9 or 10ish tomorrow night. Thank you.

[Cygnus]

I go with what I see. According to Madman, you gave him exact orders, ones that he himself said he was incapable of functioning without. He was new, had almost no idea how to play, and he's being given orders down to the last detail to stage an invasion that conveniently makes you the most powerful force on the board.
Of course the orders set up my invasion, you could you then ask yourself why he continued to use the ideas I gave him. Why? Because they were also the only moves capable of saving his ass in the south. I needed him alive and suddenly I believe he needed me because he wanted to live. I actually wanted him to win the game with me, really. But it did not conveniently make me the most powerful nation on the board. You neglect that Poland was still alive, Russia was still there. You can blame Guru for making that. He's the one that finished the stab I started. By the looks of it also Spains about to be hurting. Even though he's still very angry at me for defeating him the way I did, he's done a good job. But we'll see how the game goes.

Forgive me if, in spite of all this, your intentions were purely innocent, but you see just as well as anyone else what it leans towards.
It leads toward cheating I'm assuming you'll say. I'll have to say no. It leads toward Diplomacy. Manipulation, intrigue, lying, using, and anything inbetween is allowed. Madman never had to listen to my plans and infact if he hadn't I would have probably joined Guru's invasion.

You'll also forgive me if I came into the community after you left it, into a game which was totally changed by your role in it, and I have something to say about that role. My opinion doesn't change if you read it or not.
There's nothing you can do apart from the first part I guess. But the latter I hope will change, but if it doesn't I must say that this game was not rigged. I did no cheating. Only diplomacy. And with that I'm walking away from this computer and leaving my house and into the sunlight. Good bye again gentleman.

[Modred]

Cygnus is just playing the game the way it is played EVERYWHERE ELSE. It is no crime to suggest moves to another player. If he follows them, that is THAT PLAYERS PROBLEM.

I go with what I see. According to Madman, you gave him exact orders, ones that he himself said he was incapable of functioning without. He was new, had almost no idea how to play, and he's being given orders down to the last detail to stage an invasion that conveniently makes you the most powerful force on the board.

Ooh...wow...strong words. The only person at "fault" here is Madman, since he followed Cygnus' orders to the letter. Any consequences rest on his head. And you can't say that he didn't get at least some idea of how the game works.

I suggest orders to my allies all the time, and usually, they end up following them. Is that wrong?

Since when is it a "grave error" to attack an area I think I can conquer?
Since he helped Italy. That is why it is a "grave error." But you didn't know he would help Italy, so you walked right into his little scheme.

Having read the thread, I think it's safe to draw the conclusion that the game was basically rigged by Cygnus. Imagine how different a board we'd be looking at if France hadn't been stomped.

So, now you are complaining that he played the game well? What if Germany didn't exist? That would have made the game a lot easier for France, right? It just sounds like you are a sore loser. Quit whining.

[LordAhriman]

Manipulation? Yes, that just about covers it. You knew he had little idea how to play, and gave him orders which you knew he would follow, and he did, which to me is at best dishonorable and at worst rigging. Perhaps I'm old fashioned.

[TheBB]

As stated, manipulation and deceit is this games core, it doesn't classify as cheating. But I have to agree that taking advantage of players that you know will follow your advice to the letter on beforehand, knowing they are inexperienced, etc, borders on unsportly behaviour. Or not fair play. Or whatever you want to call it. But not cheating.

[BlackHawk]

Lord, please quite down and stop making pointless accusations. Cygnus did not rig the game, he played it. If you want to be pissed at someone for the state of Italy go complain to Madman. People, this is a game of diplomacy, not some soap opera, please stop the drama.

Oboe, I'm sorry, but I do not have a copy of, nor have I read the official rule book. Therefore I'm following Redscape's rules.

[OboeGuru]

Perhaps it's time we established a house ruleset like Redscape did.

[SunTzu]

Where do the Redscape rules differ from regular rules?

[Modred]

Modred has a copy of the rulebook (both hard copy and digital), and will gladly post links to it. He will also explain any confusion.

If you want to be pissed at someone for the state of Italy go complain to Madman.

Precisely. It was still Madman's decision to follow Cygnus' orders. The "blame" cannot be placed anywhere else.

[SunTzu]

There is no blame! This is how the game works.

You people make me sad... :(

[Modred]

There is no blame! This is how the game works.

You people make me sad... :(

Well, they were all whining that Madman followed what Cygnus did. So if they want to complain, they should complain about Madman's actions, not Cygnus. Notice the people who started this *cough*diplonewbs*cough*. Not that I mean to stereotype.

[TheGreatBrain]

Lighten up guys, it's only a game. You know, to have fun? Let's just forget about this and play.

[Whiteknight]

Alrighty, shopping took much longer than expected (ugh!), I'm getting them in now.

EDIT: Dammit! I'm sorry, one thing led to another and then I realized I was chatting on MSN for an hour and then I was reading everything on Maddox for the rest. I totally forgot about this. Sorry, I'll do this right when I get up tomorrow. For now, I have to get to sleep, for some reason my chest seems incredibly tight when I breathe in and it hurts. So... tomorrow, I promise, no maddox until the orders are in.

[Whiteknight]

Orders:

F Esa - Lib
F WBS to Rum
F Gre S A Ist - Bul
A Ist - Bul
F Ebs S A Geo - Ros
A Geo - Ros
A Isr - Cai
A Arm - Aze
F Ank - WBS
F Mal - Tyr
F Nap S F Mal - Tyr
F Ion S F Nap
F Alb - Adr
A Ser S F WBS - Rum

Edit: Okay, done.

[BlackHawk]

M'kay I'm waiting on TGB for the orders...Btw, an update will come with the Spring '03 map as to what the future holds for this game (with my absence).

[TheGreatBrain]

Sorry, sorry. I forgot.

Polish Orders:

A Lit Support A Bie
A Bie Support A Lit
A Mos Support A Bie
A Fin-Swe
F Baltic Sea Hold
F Gulf of Bothnia Support F Baltic Sea Hold

[BlackHawk]

No problem TGB. Also I will be leaving soon for my cousins (a sleepover) so the map will be done tommorow, then turned over to the new GM!

[Maegtelluma]

Ok,...so that means that all orders are in, right? Just checking :)

[Whiteknight]

I'll need the duedate Wednesday, please, when the map is up.

[TheBB]

BH had no time to make the map, so I will later today. Now, however, I'm going kayaking. Whoo! -_-

[TheBB]

How do you guys do it with retreats in this game? I count 3 retreats, only one has a choice.
Note to everyone, there is a spanish fleet in Monaco. A bit hard to see, perhaps.

BH's Open, Spring 2003

Germany/Turkey grinds on...
The fleet in ADR sort of dominoed back to Ruh, causing several german armies not to move... =P
Spain sneaks into Monaco...
Ukraine on the brink of collapse!

Germany (OboeGuru):

A Swi -> Pie
A Kra -> Bie
A Hun S Turkish F WBS -> Rum
F Bhm -> Bal
F Gda -> Lit
F Eng S A Par -> Bri
F Iri -> MAO
F MAO -> SAO
F Swe H
F Nor S F Swe H
A Par -> Bri
A Mar S A Als -> Swi
A Auv -> Nav (DISLODGED)
A Aus -> Cro
A War S F Gda -> Lit
A Bel -> Pic
A Pru -> Gda
A Ruh -> Mun
A Als -> Swi
A Mun -> Aus
A Fra -> Sax
F Ham -> Den
A Ber -> Pru

Spain (Subjukator):

F Tyr Sea-Tunisia
A Libya S F Tyr Sea-Tunisia
F Lig-Mon
F Gulf of Lyon-Mar
A Nav-Auv
A Bar S A Nav-Auv
A Bri-Paris (DISLODGED)
F Bor S F Bis
F Bis S F Bor

Italy (LordAhriman):

F Adr - Cro
A Mil Hold
A Ven S A Mil
F Rom -> Nap
F Apu Support F Rom -> Nap

Poland (TGB):

A Lit Support A Bie (DISLODGED)
A Bie Support A Lit
A Mos Support A Bie
A Fin-Swe
F Baltic Sea Hold
F Gulf of Bothnia Support F Baltic Sea Hold

Ukraine (Maegtelluma):

A Rostov - Geo
F Don - East Black Sea
A Sev Hold
A Ode Hold
A Pod - Krakow
A Rumania – Serbia (DISLODGED)
A Bulgaria S A Rumania – Serbia

Turkey (WhiteKnight):

F Esa - Lib
F WBS to Rum
F Gre S A Ist - Bul
A Ist - Bul
F Ebs S A Geo - Ros
A Geo - Ros
A Isr - Cai
A Arm - Aze
F Ank - WBS
F Mal - Tyr
F Nap S F Mal - Tyr
F Ion S F Nap
F Alb - Adr
A Ser S F WBS – Rum

Summary:

Germany, retreat A(Auv) to Par or Lyo, or disband it.
Spain, A(Bri) was disbanded.
Poland, retreat A(Lit) to Lat, or disband it.
Ukraine, retreat A(Rum) to Mol, or disband it.

http://www.aligulac.net/diplomacy/bhopen1/2003_a_spring.gif

Map will show when my host shows some signs of life.

[OboeGuru]

A Auv retreats to Lyo.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that all retreats will be made as listed, so when are orders due?

[Maegtelluma]

A Rumania retreats to Mol

[TheGreatBrain]

Polish Adjustments:

A Lit Retreat Lat

[TheBB]

Orders due.. hmm.. friday?

Edit: It's 1 AM, I'll UPDATE THE MAP tomorrow (I will NOT make a new one and post it in a new post), but you should be able to diplome anyway, there are only 3 units in question.

[Cygnus]

I'm bored... so here you guys go:

http://www.yoxio.com/img/63604.gif

[TheBB]

That's the smallest ukrainian army ever, Machi. =P

[Cygnus]

It had to fit somewhere! :)

[Maegtelluma]

I will command no such army!


:p

[Cygnus]

Hey! I could just eliminate it altogether if you like, I'm sure the Turkish player wouldn't complain... But just remember: It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it! ^^

[OboeGuru]

And how many steroids you give it. :p

[Cygnus]

Jeez you weren't scamed with those enlarging things too were you?

Uhh I mean... *COUGH*

[OboeGuru]

Waaaaaaaait, orders due Friday? Hmm... I hope everyone gets them in before then. :)
Mine are set unless anyone wants to speak with the great Lord Hilter. ;)

Edit: If the map doesn't get posted until Friday or Saturday, don't expect to get adjustments from me in a timely manner, I'll be doped up on painkillers after getting my wisdom teeth out. :p

[Cygnus]

On a side note, if anyone ever needs a map up and the GM can't do it I guess I'm your man. :)

[Cygnus]

Gottah love Germany heh.

[Cygnus]

I just got the PM from BlackHawk, I guess if you need a spare GM, I can do it.

[Maegtelluma]

Gottah love Germany heh.
yay!

It's all madman's fault :p

[LordAhriman]

Italian Orders:
All Units Hold

[OboeGuru]

I just got the PM from BlackHawk, I guess if you need a spare GM, I can do it.
TheBB's GMing, in case you didn't notice.

- - - - -

I should have orders in sometime today (Saturday), sorry for the delay.

[Whiteknight]

Okay, I really tried to get them in right now, but I'm leaving very soon. They will be in around 9 pm (-7GMT) at the LATEST. I'm going to need orders due monday for me after that.

[Cygnus]

TheBB's GMing, in case you didn't notice.
Which is good, sorry I didn't notice heh.

[Maegtelluma]

My orders are in.

[OboeGuru]

Okay, I really tried to get them in right now, but I'm leaving very soon. They will be in around 9 pm (-7GMT) at the LATEST. I'm going to need orders due monday for me after that.
You will feel the wrath of my Mighty Composite Longbow +2 if you don't get them in. :p

Germany's orders of pwnage have been given.

[Cygnus]

Don't you mean Panzers and Stukas? ;)

[OboeGuru]

That's just what you're led to believe.

What makes Germany so strong is using weapons no one thinks they will use, i.e. the M.C.L. +2 and also Dwarven Waraxe +1s that have a fire enchantment that does 1d6 extra damage every attack. :p

[Cygnus]

I bet you have magical bears and dragons leading your men to right? Oh and the undead too of course.

[Whiteknight]

Okay, it went later than expected... getting them in.

(Damn, I need to pack)

[TheBB]

The way I see it, I still need Subjukator.

[OboeGuru]

*chants* N M R! N M R! N M R!

Spain's going to die anyways, just make it quicker. :p ;)