A sort of "puzzle"

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edited for privacy - and so no records can be held against me in the future. PM me if you must see what used to be here.

[WeekendLazyness]

Why are you posting this?

Seriously though, Jeff and Kim are good friends. He doesn't really care about what guy she has a crush on.

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If I told you, I would have to kill you. But if you absolutely must know, PM me. I have my reasons.

edit: and while you (the members) may think of your replies (answers to the question) as pointless, they are vital to achieving the goal of this thread (for me at least).

[BSTRhino]

I think the fact that Kim shouts "Hi Jeff!" is significant. First of all, she's greeting him verbally which suggests that they have met before. Second, the fact that she is shouting suggests that her and Jeff are some distance from each other and that Jeff would not have noticed that Kim was there if she had not said "Hi Jeff!". That certainly indicates that Kim is actively saying "Hi Jeff!" - this is not a "Hi" which you say to people who you think you've met as you walk past them. I also think that it is unlikely that if Kim did not already know Jeff that she would have shouted "Hi Jeff!" because that would be quite embarassing.

The idea that Jeff and Kim are good friends doesn't seem entirely supported by the evidence. If they were good friends, they would certainly find more time to hang out during their breaks when they're bored and have nothing else to do. Extrapolating the information, one theory could be that Kim is hot for one of Jeff's friends and wants Jeff to introduce her. This explains the fact that her and Jeff don't see each other besides in class, because there's no reason why Kim would feel that it was necessary to be all down with Jeff to get at his friend. It also explains why Kim's friend was telling her "But you don't even know him..." as she could have been talking about Jeff's friend. The reason why Kim might be saying "Hi Jeff!" outside of the usual time that they see each other is because this way she gets to discuss this with Jeff in a more private environment.

If we just considered the quote "But you don't even know him..." being completely unrelated to Jeff and Kim's relationship, then what could be possible is that Kim desires something from Jeff, such as help with her English assignments, a better friendship, or maybe even a romantic relationship. That is why she shouts "hi" to this guy who she knows but doesn't talk to a lot outside her English classes. Given the nature of what Kim desires from Jeff, it could be possible that Kim would rather not talk about the topic in class and so she stops him when he walks by.

From Jeff's point of view, I don't think there's a lot we can conclude. He seems like just a regular nice person, who will return your smile and wave if you give him one. The fact that Jeff does not intentionally eavesdrop on the conversation of the girls could also possibly indicate as well that he's a nice person. It might also suggest that he's not really into either of the girls because if I were him and I wanted to talk to one of those girls I would just go up to them, especially given the fact that Jeff already knows them.

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I think the fact that Kim shouts "Hi Jeff!" is significant. First of all, she's greeting him verbally which suggests that they have met before. Second, the fact that she is shouting suggests that her and Jeff are some distance from each other and that Jeff would not have noticed that Kim was there if she had not said "Hi Jeff!". That certainly indicates that Kim is actively saying "Hi Jeff!" - this is not a "Hi" which you say to people who you think you've met as you walk past them. I also think that it is unlikely that if Kim did not already know Jeff that she would have shouted "Hi Jeff!" because that would be quite embarassing.

The idea that Jeff and Kim are good friends doesn't seem entirely supported by the evidence. If they were good friends, they would certainly find more time to hang out during their breaks when they're bored and have nothing else to do. Extrapolating the information, one theory could be that Kim is hot for one of Jeff's friends and wants Jeff to introduce her. This explains the fact that her and Jeff don't see each other besides in class, because there's no reason why Kim would feel that it was necessary to be all down with Jeff to get at his friend. It also explains why Kim's friend was telling her "But you don't even know him..." as she could have been talking about Jeff's friend. The reason why Kim might be saying "Hi Jeff!" outside of the usual time that they see each other is because this way she gets to discuss this with Jeff in a more private environment.

If we just considered the quote "But you don't even know him..." being completely unrelated to Jeff and Kim's relationship, then what could be possible is that Kim desires something from Jeff, such as help with her English assignments, a better friendship, or maybe even a romantic relationship. That is why she shouts "hi" to this guy who she knows but doesn't talk to a lot outside her English classes. Given the nature of what Kim desires from Jeff, it could be possible that Kim would rather not talk about the topic in class and so she stops him when he walks by.

From Jeff's point of view, I don't think there's a lot we can conclude. He seems like just a regular nice person, who will return your smile and wave if you give him one. The fact that Jeff does not intentionally eavesdrop on the conversation of the girls could also possibly indicate as well that he's a nice person. It might also suggest that he's not really into either of the girls because if I were him and I wanted to talk to one of those girls I would just go up to them, especially given the fact that Jeff already knows them.

Excellent! This is the kind of analysis that should be seen as a role model post for all members!BST had introduced some interesting points that I hadn't thought of before.

Part of the reason that I have posted this "situation analysis" here is because I need outside, unbiased views. I happen to know much more information and context about what is actually going on here, and as such I cannot answer the question neutrally. In a day or two I may add more information about the above situation.

[Leosam096]

that is what i call an awesome observer and organizer!
Great Job!

cheers!

[hammocksleeper]

The first paragraph of what BST wrote is pretty good (not that the rest isnt).

Look at this from a logical point of view though. She how how many scores of friends and acquantainces? Divide one into that number and you get the percent chance that she was talking about you when she said "But you don't even know him...." The fact that she said "Hi Jeff" is a complete nonsequitur, and there is absolutely no shred of evidence to suggest that the two sayings are related. In fact there is cirmunstantial evidence against the relation of these two phrases, because the fact that she knows you by name and is willing to call you out on the street means you have already met at least once, and if her friend knew that y'all had met she would be less likkely to say something like "but you don't know him." There is of course some possibility that she was talking about you earlier to her friend, and BST has fleshed out some of this possibility, but the fact is that the probability of this possibility being true is like one in a million.

That being said, the easiest way for you to find out what what she might have been talking about before, or whether she likes you, or whether she likes one of your friends, is to spend more time with her. That's basically all you can do.

[Kazansky]

Too much bullshit too little time.

The answer is simple - she has a crush on him, probably just because of his looks. Now, Jeff doesn't seem to give a shit, because he just keeps going his way. (This is how people at the academy act. If a girl likes you, they're usually the first ones to say hi.) OR she doesn't have a crush on him (man, now I'M bullshitting.) and just wants to be his friend. However, Jeff is apathetic on both counts, meaning the odds of them getting together are little.

Hey, wait a minute, I'm just thinking out loud here, but I think that JEFF is BMB, and some chick at his school waved at him, and he wants to know what she's thinking. Hey, just thinking out loud here.

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I was thinking the same thing Kazansky.
She how how many scores of friends and acquantainces? Divide one into that number and you get the percent chance that she was talking about you when she said "But you don't even know him...."
actually, she said him. Since most girls have more friends that are girls than boys, multiply that fraction by two. Then take into account that kim's friend knows that kim probably knows most of her friends quite well. kim could be talking about jeff, though there are other girls that meet the profile given.
I agree that if kim is talking about jeff, than she wants something. But bmb, you should be careful not to over analyze. Kim may only want the notes of some other guy in the english class, and she said hi simply because she was in a good mood that day.
It would appear that jeff does not have a crush on kim(or hes hiding it extremely well in an attempt not to get dissapointed because he thinks kim doesn't like him).
Depending on the size of the english class, kim's popularity and Jeff's personality, there is a decent chance that it could be jeff kim is talking about. Remember kim is talking about a boy, someone she doesn't know too well and someone in her english class. There are likely others that meet those criteria, but it may be Jeff.
Jeff will probably avoid doing anything incase it isnt him. Jeff should also pay attention to kim's friend and see how she acts around him.(if your best friend has a crush on a mutual friend, you want to avoid getting in the middle of things)
That's my take anyhow.

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All exellent interpretations! This is helping tremendously. But now what would you say if I were to incorporate this new information?

edited for privacy. PM me if you wish to see what used to lie here.

[frazz]

Well well well.... Kimmy likes jeffery it would seem. Or maybe not.
So, it is amazingly coincidental that kim and jeff are in the same group(unless kim planned it)
At this point kim either
a: Likes Jeff a lot
b: Is trying to impress jeff for some other reason
c: Thinks Jeff is genius and his friends are stupid
Also, if this is from Jeff's pov, Jeff may very well like Kim and be imagining things. Everyone else acted normally, which may mean that Jeff is just thinking that kim likes him. I have seen this sort of stuff happen, and when it does EVERYONE notices. Also Jeff wants to be at least friends being that he said hi.
Again, Jeff should keep quiet and be observing since looking at it, it seems obvious jeff likes kim to some extent. If he didn't then either
a: Kim REALLY likes Jeff
or
b: Jeff wouldn't notice this(or post it ona forum ;))

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*can no longer resist the urge to not speak freely*

The groups were assigned at least a month ago by the teacher.

The descriptions given are not from 'Jeffs' point of view. I could very easily write a much, much different description from 'Jeffs' point of view.

'Jeff' didn't start this whole episode. (see original paragraph)

'Jeff' is trying very hard to prove his "imaginations" wrong, but all evidence suggests that they are not imaginations.

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*resume neutral views and analysis*

[BSTRhino]

I think it could say something, but I don't really think that Kim has done enough to really show that she likes him. That's because I would act the same way as Kim has if I just liked someone as a friend or I thought they were cool.

Edit: Okay, I had this majorly long dissertation written-up in here, but when I think about it, what it really comes down to is, maybe Kim just prefers Jeff over Jeff's friends. It doesn't necessarily mean that she is hot for Jeff, often when I'm in a group conversation I find that there's a few people in the group who I want to give the most attention to, and sometimes I'd prefer it if the other people didn't keep interrupting the conversation I'm trying to have with my selected few. It's just because I like talking to some people more. Group conversations are like that a lot of the time, people will always prefer some over others in the group. Depending on what kind of person they are, they might go to great lengths to exclude the others.

[frazz]

bmb, i have a question. Whose point of view is this from? Who in this story is writing? If kim or jeff is writing, the view may be biased a little.

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[EvilEggCracker]

Yep, she wants you