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CODEZERO
03-14-2006, 8:24 PM
Comets are born of fire as well as ice, the first results from the US space agency's (Nasa) Stardust mission show. In January, Stardust's sample-return capsule landed in Utah, carrying over a million tiny comet grains inside.
Some of these grains contain material that formed at extremely high temperatures, scientists have found.
This is a surprise. Comets formed in the cold, outer-reaches of the early Solar System, and were never exposed to such extreme heating.
The Sun and the planets began forming out of a gaseous cloud called the solar nebula about 4.6 billion years ago.
This "accretion disc" consisted of a hot inner region and a cold outer region where ice was able to survive.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif When these grains formed, they were incandescent - they were red or white hot http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


Dr Donald Brownlee, Stardust chief scientist

The high-temperature minerals found in the Stardust samples may have formed in the inner part, where temperatures exceeded 1,000C.
But something must then have transported them out to the cold, comet-forming region known as the Kuiper Belt.
"These are the hottest minerals found in the coldest place, in the 'Siberia of the Solar System'," said Donald Brownlee, chief scientist on the Stardust mission.
"When these grains formed, they were incandescent - they were red or white hot."
Abundant samples
Details of the analysis were presented here at the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston, Texas.
The Stardust spacecraft encountered Comet Wild-2 in January 2004. It swept up particles from the frozen body of ice and dust, flying to within 240km (149 miles) of the comet's core, or nucleus.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41436000/jpg/_41436874_brownleeap203i.jpg Dr Brownlee said further analysis should resolve some issues

It then released its sample-return capsule as it flew back to Earth at the beginning of this year. The US-built capsule touched down in the Utah desert on 15 January. They are the first cometary dust samples ever returned to Earth.
The high-temperature minerals discovered in the Stardust samples are not oddities.
They appear to be abundant, having been found in about one in four of the particles examined so far.
One of these minerals known as forsterite, which melts at 2,000C and condenses at 1,127C, has been detected in a comet before.
But other minerals found in the Stardust samples resemble so-called calcium-aluminium inclusions (CAIs), which form at even higher temperatures.
"This raises as many questions as answers. We can't answer them all just yet," said Stardust co-investigator Dr Mike Zolensky.
Longer distances
There are two main possibilities currently being considered to explain the finding.
If the high-temperature minerals formed at the centre of our solar nebula, the molten droplets could have been blasted out to the cold outer region by powerful magnetised jet called the X-wind.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif It's perhaps indicative that the X-wind model is a good one http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


Dr Caroline Smith, Natural History Museum, London

"It's perhaps indicative that the X-wind model is a good one," Caroline Smith, meteorite curator at the Natural History Museum in London, told the BBC News website.
But it means that these bursts must have carried the minerals much further distances than has previously been suggested.
Alternatively, the minerals may have been formed in the hot regions of other stars before finding their way into the solar nebula, where they were incorporated into comets.
"These are fascinating possibilities," said Dr Brownlee.
"In the lab, we can study these at atomic-level resolution and use the chemical, mineralogical and isotopic properties."
He said that analysis of the different isotopes, or forms, of elements in the mineral should resolve where they originated.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4801968.stm

wa123
03-14-2006, 8:47 PM
imppossible~ those scientice are full of crap.

kongurous
03-14-2006, 8:49 PM
imppossible~ those scientice are full of crap.

Those scientists are NASA. You dispute NASA?

Let explain to you what NASA is. NASA is the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the agency responsible for the public space program of the United States of America. It is also responsible for long-term civilian and military aerospace research.

Protosschick99
03-14-2006, 9:00 PM
I learned that in the 4th grade :D Yes comets are made of fire and ice :P

Magmaniac
03-14-2006, 10:03 PM
Lies.
Comets are a capitalist plot to sell cleaning products.
It's like having a laundry soap called "Genii!", then NASA releases scientific evidence for genii.
Damn capitalists, GET YOUR HANDS OUT OF MY FUCKING POCKETS!

WeekendLazyness
03-15-2006, 12:07 AM
I learned that in the 4th grade :D Yes comets are made of fire and ice :PHaha, sure.

This reminds me of all the current fuss surrounding the fact that the orbit of Earth and some asteroid or other heavenly body are eventually going to intersect:

Earth: omg humanity hurts!
Kupiter Belt: lol hold on

Protosschick99
03-15-2006, 12:48 AM
I seriously learned that they have ice in them :P

WeekendLazyness
03-15-2006, 1:09 AM
I seriously learned that they have ice in them :PYeah, so did everyone else. The important discovery here is that comets contain particles that were formed under extremely high temperatures. I doubt you learned that in 4th grade.

wa123
03-15-2006, 1:18 AM
some ppl in this board are worst than those bullcrap scientist

Toucan
03-15-2006, 3:54 AM
Everyone should remember that these are particles returned from just ONE comet.
For all we know the comet that was chosen could be a freak amongst comet's or could be quite common, until comparative experiments are able to be done, as in we gather more comet dust from other comet's, we will not know if this is a normal comet composition or some thing irregular. I don't doubt NASA plans and is indeed looking forward to conducting such experiments.

kongurous
03-15-2006, 8:32 AM
some ppl in this board are worst than those bullcrap scientist

...you don't give up, do you? This is NASA we're talking. NASA. Its cus of these people that men have been to the moon. You're doubting the world leader in space anything, do you really think you're right?

GrimTerror
03-15-2006, 2:42 PM
I thought everyone knew that comets were made of Ice and dust and knew about those really odd Orbits of the sun they have (my physics teacher described it as a slingshot.)

Comet is draw to the sun, orbits round and is thrown back out into space. Gradually it slows down (due to the pull of gravity from the sun) and is pulled toward the sun again, repeating it's orbit again and again. I think the pretty colors were dust particles or something.

That's all according to what I remember of High School physics!

GrassDragon
03-15-2006, 2:44 PM
I thought everyone knew that comets were made of Ice and dust and knew about those really odd Orbits of the sun they have (my physics teacher described it as a slingshot.)
When they did that in the Star Trek movie they went back in time. Comets are time travelers!

WeekendLazyness
03-15-2006, 5:51 PM
some ppl in this board are worst than those bullcrap scientist
Maybe I'll pay attention to what you say as soon as you successfully send a man to the moon.

wa123
03-15-2006, 11:28 PM
Maybe I'll pay attention to what you say as soon as you successfully send a man to the moon.

why bother? I need no attention from you.

...you don't give up, do you? This is NASA we're talking. NASA. Its cus of these people that men have been to the moon. You're doubting the world leader in space anything, do you really think you're right?

If thats what NASA been doing all these time only able to discover comet are made of fire and ice...then they are slow, very slow, other countries are developing much quicker, and doing a better job, they won't be the leader in near future.

WeekendLazyness
03-16-2006, 1:15 AM
why bother? I need no attention from you.OMG I've been owned. Desepite the fact that you haven't backed up any of your posts with actuall facts, you must be right.

If thats what NASA been doing all these time only able to discover comet are made of fire and ice...then they are slow, very slow, other countries are developing much quicker, and doing a better job, they won't be the leader in near future.Ha, only a few other countries have the ablility or resources. Why don't you have any faith in NASA?

Leosam096
03-16-2006, 5:11 AM
now this is turning into an argument that would get no where.

"rebukes are not accepted by mockers"
these facts are fun to read though. :)

Yes,i have learned about this before during my elementary days.

cheers!