View Full Version : NE vs. mass ghouls
whoman_human
03-12-2006, 4:58 AM
it's real easy for NEs to fend of a mass ghouls in the mid/late game...
just build some chims and mountaingiants... the chims do about 77-141(???)
damage to ghouls cuz they have a heavy armour (magic>heavy armour=:chair:) are there any other tactics? does mas hunts work:concern: ?
If the undead is massing ghouls against you, and only attacks until LATE GAME, then laugh your head off at them. If ghouls are coming, then it would be an early game thing. Make 1-2 APs, and hunts. Don't make archers, they are more of a liability against ghouls.
Late game use any air units, especially chims, or heavy melee units namely bears + Mgs. Immomulation is good as well.
Mass ghouls vs a decent ne is like asking for a loss. Hunts decimate ghouls, not to mention are easy to micro. Archer/hunt still decimates mass ghouls and hell i can pretty much beat mass ghouls with dh archer. All you have to do is micro a little bit. At tier 2 all you need is a panda and wow those ghouls dont stand a chance unless he masses 250 gold heal scrolls.
whoman_human
03-12-2006, 9:20 AM
If the undead is massing ghouls against you, and only attacks until LATE GAME, then laugh your head off at them.
i know thats why im askin:)
If ghouls are coming, then it would be an early game thing. Make 1-2 APs, and hunts. Don't make archers, they are more of a liability against ghouls. what r APs? ancients of ...(the barrack thingy)? or what? thanks both of ya;)
RedRagToAnOrc
03-12-2006, 10:03 AM
APs are Ancient Protectors. Mass Ghouls is normally easily beaten by mass AoE spells, such as Panda, not least massing Bears and/or Air. The reason my old mate Vince made it work so well is because the standard of player he played against would usually think that he was going Gargs and stay with Archers.
A lone Panda is however vulnerable to Sleep by the Dreadlord, meaning that at higher levels the Panda is completely out of the game for a looooong time, and unless you have Immolation on that DH, which most of Vince's opponents didn't, (because they were good and went Mana Burn,) you have no AoE to take down those Ghouls with.
But in general, it's easy to beat.
thefazant
03-12-2006, 10:09 AM
wtf are you babbling?
its not easy to beat at all.
im always surprised at how easy fov manages to beat elves with dual crypt ghouls.
the only counter is outmicroing with dh-archers, and DONT let youre dh get surrendered.
hide youre new wells so he cant kill them before they are done.
if you scout dual crypts, maybe switch to hunts.
i really dont understand why all of you are so obsessed with the dl, early game, sleep can be cancelled after 5 seconds or so by attacking youre dh.
later on, just dispell.
unholy aura and coil are like 20 times better then sleep and vampiric
A good player can counter sleep on a panda easily. I counter it fairly easily, i just use of my units to attack my hero or you could just abolish. Not to hard. I wouldnt reccoment using APs though, theyd just delay hunts which would be so much better.
And yea double post but DK does tend to be more useful then DL early game and in most cases, late game. But faz, hunts decimate ghouls. I really have no trouble at all vs ghouls. Their low hp makes them free exp for hunts and aoe. Once he gets gargs it can get annoying thought but thats a different story.
thefazant
03-12-2006, 11:05 AM
but why would you have hunts out?
you won't even have a hall yet, you wont have aoe either
Prozerran
03-12-2006, 11:56 AM
Mass Ghouls is very effective vs. NE. GA posted a nice strategy of Mass Ghouls and Frost Wyrms, simply creeping and taking down expo's until Tier 3 when he starts busting out with Frosties against Bears. Yeah, it's viable.
but why would you have hunts out?
you won't even have a hall yet, you wont have aoe either
You wont have enough ghouls to do anything effective, a solo dh with wells could easily hold off that ghoul rush, buying time until hunts did come out.
thefazant
03-12-2006, 1:47 PM
well, no, really, you wont even have started youre hall simply cuz vs anything except a fast ghoul attack, hunts sucks vs ud.
the only thing that can stop this is outmicroing with archer/dh and detonating skellies.
it's real easy for NEs to fend of a mass ghouls in the mid/late game...
just build some chims and mountaingiants... the chims do about 77-141(???)
damage to ghouls cuz they have a heavy armour (magic>heavy armour=:chair:) are there any other tactics? does mas hunts work:concern: ?
do u actually know what step it takes to get yourself a chims or mountaingiant? hahahaha....
I think the best option for NE to go against mass ghoul is massive Hunteress, I doubt about massive arc and DH to take on this strat.
well, no, really, you wont even have started youre hall simply cuz vs anything except a fast ghoul attack, hunts sucks vs ud.
the only thing that can stop this is outmicroing with archer/dh and detonating skellies.
You underestimate hunts glaive bounce man. Ive seen mass hunts/potm rape mass fiend/dk. Hunts are extremely good when used properly. But disregarding that, wells tend to make ghoul rushes fail. THey let archers live for a good amount of time and DH is pretty much a anti ghoul hero. Not to mention manaburn=only a few coils and with a good/decent base setup ghouls have to move close to ancients to attack archers.
whoman_human
03-13-2006, 3:29 AM
do u actually know what step it takes to get yourself a chims or mountaingiant? hahahaha....
umm yea:mad: ... who doesn't? i mean everyone who trys out NE knows that!!!
Lordshadowbane
03-13-2006, 12:43 PM
There was a huge abuse w/ POTM/dual hunts (on the ice map, frozen knife I think, meh too long...). I personally just go DH/archer and have a well positioned base and get mass dryads as fast as I can.
There was a huge abuse w/ POTM/dual hunts (on the ice map, frozen knife I think, meh too long...). I personally just go DH/archer and have a well positioned base and get mass dryads as fast as I can.
DH and arc is good strat, but I find it trouble when it meet with massive hunteress & kotp away from my base, it will keep on aim on my arc, and my arc have to keep moving back, while my dh isn't powerful enough to take on massive hunt at early stage.
Lordshadowbane
03-13-2006, 9:32 PM
DH and arc is good strat, but I find it trouble when it meet with massive hunteress & kotp away from my base, it will keep on aim on my arc, and my arc have to keep moving back, while my dh isn't powerful enough to take on massive hunt at early stage.
Errr this is about NE vs UD isnt it?
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