Starcraft 2, What I hope doesnt happen - the 2D/3D debate

[Arachas]

If they did make a SC2 (and if Blizzard is smart, they will) I hope they don't make it 3D. If I wanted to play a 3D SC I'd play WC3. Starcraft is cool due to its awesome graphics and unique overhead view. It would be ruined...no, destroyed if there was a 3D update.

I just hope they don't change the game of Starcraft in anyway! What I'm looking forward to in SC2 is maybe new abilities, a few new races, new units and buildings...and after I read what I just typed, I realized I'm not really looking for a SC2, I'm looking for an expansion :bigsmile:

[ZergTyrant]

Well i think bringing starcraft into 3D is a good idea for many reasons.
1: you can get different angles of view on the battlefeild and there problebly will be a zoom feature.
2: Some units will look way better in 3D (mostly terran units and buildings).
3: Fans are looking for new stuff in SC2 ( new races, new units, new abilities), graphics is also wut fans are looking for. The 2D view was great but i did get frustrated when i couldn't see a guy behind sumthing or i couldn't zoom up for the action like I wuz in one of those cool cinamatics.
4: I'd like to see how they handle the hard switch from 2D to 3D and if they succeed more starcraft games might to made sooner than 5-6 after an anitial game. If not, then we know to stick with the old saying "if it aint broke, dont fix it".

I, for one, want SC2 not an expantion...ive waited to long to just get an expansion. However I would like them to continue the story.

[Whiteknight]

I would be fine with 3-D as long as there is a zoom out button so that you may make it look like 2-D or top down, and a rotating button. I'd be very happy with that.

[BSTRhino]

Welcome to WarBoards.org Arachas!

I think graphics have the ability to look much more detailed at 2D with the same processing power, but personally, I wish the terrain wasn't so blocky as it is in the current version of StarCraft. We can't make perfect curves. So I would say yes to 3D terrain, but not to 3D units, I definitely agree with you there Arachas.

But I'm also looking for a huge jump from the original StarCraft, I couldn't stand it if StarCraft 2 which I've been quietly wishing for every day for years now were just the same as what we've got now.

[Arachas]

Well, seeing all of the old units in 3D would be cool.

[keru_sayanas]

SC should stay as a good ol overhead 2D strategy game

[ZergTyrant]

I disagree...seeing 2D graphics after six years of "development" would be dissapointing to some fans....My eyes are starting to hurt after hours of staring at little marines...sigh

[TrionSpectre]

id prefer a 3D view in full 3D (units buildings etc) i also wuold like what it does to tacticle situations working in full 3D oh and id like to see better trees! i want to ambush somebudy from trees so bad

[Disciple]

I think that if they would just make the game same as before with the zoomed out look but with a completely 3d environment and 3d guy effects. What they did to wcIII was a horrid mistake. New stuff and new races. All 3d but no close action. Ya, thats good.

[keru_sayanas]

I would like 3D terrain but if they overdo it with the units it starts to get crapy...i would rather they spend more time on other aspects of the game.

[TrionSpectre]

other aspects such as? but making it fully 3D would inhance some aspects well detracting from some of the gameplay that made it so popular in the first place. but i dont see how they could keep the old interface and hope to compete in todays graphical market even though i for one would buy it, marketing wise at this point in gaming technology it doesnt make much sense due to the alrdy inhanced graphic of compeating games. look at the route they took with WCIII just to stay in the market thats 3D now.

[ZergTyrant]

Starcraft 2 should be in 3D...although 2D was fine..the marketing now is 2D and many more people would buy it seeing it as a "new looking game". Us old SC fans just know its a good game and will buy it whether its 2D or 3D.

It should have 3D terran (buildings, trees, doodads, ect.), be able to swivel camera around 360 degrees and zoom in and out. Units should have 3D movement and stay true to the starcraft nature (o god dont end up like WC3!) and the most important thing...

COOLER DEATHS
half the fun of killin off your own guys is seeing them explode and they're body parts fly as they let out a cry of anguishe........:bigsmile:

[TrionSpectre]

i agree with ZergTyrant cooler deaths are needed for this game.yes and 3D is an an important aspect for marketing of the new games

[Battlecruiser]

3D may look good but I am not sure that will make the game better. I just don't know. If 3D makes the game better then I am all for it. If not then I am not either. I personally like the 2d graphics. I would only like to see better 2D graphics for starcraft but if 3D can be done then go ahead Blizzard.

[MrMer]

first of all, how could 3D make the game any worse? I think that it would be alot better.

[Modred]

Personally, I find that it would be quite simpler to keep the same procedure for handling unit sprites (yes, I said a dirty word :p), however use 3D technology to make the sprites. This would lighten processor load (compared to games with in-game rendering) and would allow for the artists to create incredibly detailed animations, rather than somewhat bland computer generated ones.

As for 3D terrain...yes, that would probably be best. And perhaps some destruction effects? Like burning trees, impact craters from explosions, etc.

[cpt.beefhart]

As for 3D terrain...yes, that would probably be best. And perhaps some destruction effects? Like burning trees, impact craters from explosions, etc.yes i've always thought the terrain in SC wasn't utilised properly if they make a more interactive enviroment in SC2, it would definitely be a positive aspect.

also i remember seeing in the beta versions of SC1 that firebats could of been used to set fire to trees and stuff but it was left out of the final version,So maybe they saw a set-back in it?

[cpt.beefhart]

starcraft 2 graphics are not important its always been the game itself that appealed 2D or Not, because its still gonna be the gameplay that gets my final judgement.

[J_Tal]

the original statment for this whole thread ithink is the best
i am sorry but 3d would ruin it i expected better with war3 but the graphics suck! i also would like more of those minie movie clips that they had in sc!(probobly be why development taking so long)

i just agree w/ original statement

[Lord_Sirian]

3D? Sure. 2D. Why not?(no opinion in this matter) But i would like them to add cool little things like for example; A marine drops his rifle mid-battle(apparently out of ammo) and starts shooting with a sidearm. Now, i dont think this should have any impact on the battle, it'd just be for show.

[J_Tal]

maby they could add the burning trees the craters and the different aspects like that...that would be cool!(maby units could be burned by the trees...)

but puting the units into 3d would be a waste: it looks flat, detail dousn't fit, and it is blocky(yes i know i used flat and blocky at the same time:p )

however would everyone agree they need the cinimatics?

[TheGreatBrain]

Whether or not it'll be good for the gameplay, when it comes out the game will be in 3D. If 2D looks pretty old-fashioned now, imagine what kind of reception it would get when (if?) SC2 actually comes out (Hint: Bad).

[Killphill]

Hmmmm, I guess this is on topic, why would I care? I like the idea of being able to hid units behind trees. Mabye marines would have an ability (like Wisps from Warcraft) to hid themselves behind trees. You know what made tree ambushes impossible in Starcraft, that stupid minimap that would let your opponents see you. As for 3d, I think it's the better the 2d. If they made them more detailed then in Warcraft 3, think how cool every thing would look, like Zeolots or Marines.

In Starcraft 2 I would like to see that the minimap only showed your own units, mabye there could be units like detectors that would make enemys show up on your minimap. And then there could be a certain building, mabye for the Terran's Command center that you could sound an alarm and all you Scvs would go hid inside of it, and the that could give the command center health regeneration.

[Infernus]

Hiding and doing guerilla style ambushd would be great. But even if the minimap is there, then normal guns would take a while to hit you. But bombs would be awesome.

I think 3d would be good. It looks fine to me, just needs to be a bit more smoother than WC3.

[pWn4g3]

ya 3d terrain would definately b better, but id still like 2d units. Arachas is right that we would play wc3 for 3d looks. Also dont make it so bright like they did in wc3! it hurts my eyes!!!
i also want new abilities, units and mostly new races! itll b kool to c wat theyve come up with as a new race ^.^

[Battlecruiser]

In Starcraft 2 I would like to see that the minimap only showed your own units, mabye there could be units like detectors that would make enemys show up on your minimap.
I think your minimap should show all units that you can see with the vision of one of your units because in fact one of your units must have seen the other unit or building and it is like it reported the location of the unit to you and it is put onto the minimap.

[DarkFJ]

i don't want SC2 have the hero system?
the hero system will let the game lose the playable

[Infernus]

I liked the Hero system in War3. It would do good on RPG's.

[LordHarrison]

Ok this is basically what i would like to see:



1.)I did like the Hero syestem from WC3. As in WC3 i think that each race should have 3 hero units
2.)1 New race. Having more then 5 races is too much. So a unique new race would be most welcome (i'm sure everyone agrees with that)
3.)All new units except the Marine, Zergling, and Hydralisk (those are all staple units to those races really. The zealot i think we could go without...)
4.) Yes 3D. massive starcraft 3D battles would be amazing. Ships flying, zerglings choping up those marines, stuff blowing up, etc. all in 3D
5.)As for buildings...I am less concerned about those. However i feel that building styles (i.e pylons) should be changed just to give it something new
6.)And most of all A GOOD STORY. Starcraft and Brood war both had excellent story lines where all the missions fit well with eachother. WC3 Frozen throne lacked even a basic trace of that. Basically the story should focus around Kerrigan and the hybrids. With updates on ALL the characters (once again in Frozen throne they left out and sort of apperance by some very reign of chaos characters).

[RelinaIonna]

I say let the 3d options and views happen. Full Rotaion and different levels would be nice. And 3dunits and complex terrain as well. But as for melee keep the hero system out of it; and allow teh game host to set restrictions. Like having a locked 2d view, and be able to toggle between 3D/2D untis, terran, doodads ect. Options is what its all about. The hero system would be nice thoguh for rpgs and campaign maps.

[Foreign_Dog]

Hrm..this might become a popular substitute for 3D on the market:
2d on 3d. Highly deteailed to the pixel sprites, fluid animations, beautiful artwork, and such things that will be produced in bulk like bullets,zerg slime,corpses in 2d. the background though will be 3d, and the camera able to rotate,but not zoom,I think that would be a perfect solution to everone's complaints. 3D is fugly when it comes to WIII..that game is just..awful with the 3D. you shouldn't bother like that.
I got this idea from a game called Ragnarok: Online a really big mmorpg. it's beautiful,and yet lightning fast on slow processors.. (like mine)

[BSTRhino]

Yes, having terrain that is 3D would be great. If Blizzard could work in 2D units onto the 3D terrain, it'd be the best of both worlds.

[Kamikaze_Chicken]

3D terrain would look awesome it would make the whole high ground thing look so much awesome

[Peachling]

3D stratagy games tend not to look to good. Look at Age of Empiers 2 compared to Age of Mytholagy.

AOM looks really crap. And the cameras really fiddaly.

[Frattimonde]

The future must not be Ignored.

SC2 must be In 3d.
Why would It be in 2d?

[Dark_Viper]

Yes SC2 must be in 3d .

another thing they could ad is for the deaths that do not explode.. use the Ragdoll physics technology to make it look like a realistic and unique death each time..

think of the funny screenies you could get with some of the characters.. lol

Dark_Viper

[RelinaIonna]

Bull SH*T, Star Craft is its own genre; no true SC fan wants to see end up like WC3.

[singo]

Have it in 3D but have a reset camera hotkey to take the view back to the "Classic" SC camera

because we all know watching mass battles from ground level is cool...has anyone here played Ground Control?

[Arachas]

Figured I bring this post back up....I made this soo long ago lol, I didnt know so many people replied to it.

I do not want SC2 to be a "Mod" on WC3 if you know what I mean. The view thing is a debate. If the view could change it would be a little cheapy looking. But it has to be closer or else it would just be a better looking overhead SC.

[BAD_BOB]

I like the idea of switching from classic to 3D. and the ingame efeects really need work in SC so SC2 should have stuff like that. And yes 3D terrain would kick ass. As for 3D or 2D units I dont care. 3D would be kewl, classic 2D and would be kewl you know. if you're gonna bitch and moan about 3D then dont zoom in ok?

[Spdstr]

GUYS if you want a 3D StarCraft play WarCraft III and beat everything, then you'll be able to play with SC units ;). (or so I hear)

Member,
~ Spdstr

[bluemicrobyte]

If they did make a SC2 (and if Blizzard is smart, they will) I hope they don't make it 3D. If I wanted to play a 3D SC I'd play WC3. Starcraft is cool due to its awesome graphics and unique overhead view. It would be ruined...no, destroyed if there was a 3D update.

I just hope they don't change the game of Starcraft in anyway! What I'm looking forward to in SC2 is maybe new abilities, a few new races, new units and buildings...and after I read what I just typed, I realized I'm not really looking for a SC2, I'm looking for an expansion :bigsmile:I think another expansion would be a good idea, add some units and buildings and abilites and terrain and stuff and tada! a beter game

[dark-kirby]

I think they should use a "3D on 2D" concept which they used on StarCraft. sure, the whole thing is 2D, but some units/buildings/doodads are Drawn 3D. Using a better 2D engine and a better Drawn 3D, they might make and awesome looking game with cool graphichs. The graphics in StarCraft are a trick on your eyes kinda.

[Zeltaris]

Must say, 3d on 2d sounds great. Actually 3d doesn't sound that bad either. Just as long as they keep that bloody zoom out of the way. Honestly, it just screws the gameplay, just imagine trying to micro with a ton of your own units blocking your FoV. Like you're trying to tell some temps to cast storm and suddenly some big thick archon bloke gets in the way, effectively blotting out your temps... argh. Trust me, it's happened to me in other games, like WIII and AoM. [I still can't figure out why I was doing zooming in that much.... heh he he... ]

Zoom must not tain the glorious realm of SC.... if Blizz does such a thing I shall... I shall... I shall cuss at them from the comfort of my armchair ^^

[Sovereign]

If SC goes 3D, system requirements may go up. But I'm doing a StarCraft MOD for Star Trek Armada II and I don't think (with Blizzard's programming godliness) that requirements would go too high...now I would like better graphics. Now wheather that is 2D or 3D...up to Blizzard.

[Walker]

I thenk 3d would be cool, But I dont realy mind ether way as long as the mapediting stays the same... I like how easy it is to map in starcraft. It took me about 7 hours to know staredit up and down. It took me about 3 mounths to learn the wc3 editor.

[Spdstr]

I say they just make another expansion with new units and 3 more new Campaigns ;)

Member,
~ Spdstr

[dark-kirby]

yeah spdstr....or....

You see, if they only made starcraft 2 the same CONCEPT of graphichs, jsut a lot more detail, looking the same jus that it would be detailed heavily and textures would be better

[Spdstr]

yeah spdstr....or....

You see, if they only made starcraft 2 the same CONCEPT of graphichs, jsut a lot more detail, looking the same jus that it would be detailed heavily and textures would be better
I think they're detailed enough ;) and I think that it'd make the unit look like crap if the graphics were improved, that is if they keep the same size (which is smart ;))

Member,
~ Spdstr

[tFighterPilot]

3D All the way. Like it has been said, if you don't want to zoom in, don't.

[Arachas]

Well, if they made just more units and maps they wouldn't call it SC2...it would be StarCraft and some name like BroodWar (in other words it would be an expansion not a new game). And I realized I would be dissaopointed if they graphics were 2D because I want to see the old units in 3D. And as I always say it shud be fairly zoomed out because of Starcrafts unique (massing) gameplay.

Adding more on this reply later (i gotta go)...

[tFighterPilot]

BTW, Warcraft III does have several units from Star Craft (Marine, Zergling and Hydralisk) which you can place through the map editor. I wish I had Warcraft III, should've buy it instead of this damn Halo *glares Halo disc box* *sigh*

[PANTHEON_FROST]

i cant imagine someone saying 2D cuz 3D would ruin the overhead view. they can keep the overhead view with it being 3D. anyone every play NBA2K1? u can put it to a classic NBA Jam style view and it look 2D, but very very good. polygons change everything for the better no matter if the camera moves or not. whether u can zoom in or not. it will be 3D no matter what.

i like arachas' post, it should be kept overview and stable. it should just look really really good, and i dont think supply limit should be messed with(WCIII >:^[ ). just add a new race, new units, tighter gameplay, and a dope story again. the wraith must return, however, no matter what. >:^]

[tFighterPilot]

And keep the protoss as they are now! My life for Aiur! En Taro Adun Executor!

[Draix]

We have to admit it, SC2 will be 3D. Although us fans of SC love the old 2D look, it will do nothing to attract new gamers and such. Blizzard isn't just making it for us fans, they want other people as well.

[Scared_GunnerZ]

3D Sucks, I Think Its Just Confusing! Just Look At What They Did To Runescape!

www.runescape.com

Its A Mess!!!!

[tFighterPilot]

3D Sucks, I Think Its Just Confusing! Just Look At What They Did To Runescape!

www.runescape.com (http://www.runescape.com/)

Its A Mess!!!!Starcraft 2 is not runescape...

[Simallion]

If Blizzard are to make a SC2 then I think that 3d is ok but like many other has said you should be able to watch the game in 2d if you like. For me MAX one new race or better none. Zoom effect is ok. Grafic if ist going to be like WarIII then Blizzard should'nt make a new game, WarIII grafic is fine for WarIII but it is too Funny/sweet to look at in a SC game. Finaly, I love SC it is the best game to PC ever made, and to be honest I fear a sequal. I hope if they make SC2 then the huge armies will battle again, and not be like WarIII, little none frighting armies that looks like some toy figures in a teddy vs. doll battle.

Starcraft forever.

[COoKiEHeADKiD]

May be a bad solution, but if Blizzard has a mind to, they can just have a 3d mode and a 2d mode, customizable by the user.

[Kopaka]

Yeah, that might work.

[Simallion]

Exactly. A 2D mode and a 3D mode would be the best solution to this 2D/3D problem.

[Topace]

If you guys go to this site, www.revolution.wc3campaigns.com you can see what some of the units will look like in 3d. Then you can make up your minds.

[tFighterPilot]

If you guys go to this site, www.revolution.wc3campaigns.com (http://www.revolution.wc3campaigns.com/) you can see what some of the units will look like in 3d. Then you can make up your minds.Sweet! It looks exactly like Star Craft!

[NineBall]

I dont really know how to put this but ill give it a try........I hope they make some of it 3D and some of it 2D.Cause i really likehow it is with 2D but 3D will spiff up a few things

[Simallion]

Well I must admit it actualy looks pretty nice. But still I hope they make a 2D and a 3D mode.

[tFighterPilot]

That would be stupid. If you want 2D, play Starcraft 1

[spetsnaz]

well 3D can be good and it can be bad. look at 3D on CC Generals, its pointless and when one does zoom in one sees nothing extra ordinary. however look at Ground Control 1 + 2, the 3D camera and the freedom it gave really improved the feel of the game. I love RTS games, but big ones, like Cossacks or TA or Ground Control. i HATE warcraft type games, u know the kind of RTS' which border on being RPGs, hopefully they will keep it stricktly RTS and take out any of the RPGesh elements out.

[tFighterPilot]

well 3D can be good and it can be bad. look at 3D on CC Generals, its pointless and when one does zoom in one sees nothing extra ordinary. however look at Ground Control 1 + 2, the 3D camera and the freedom it gave really improved the feel of the game. I love RTS games, but big ones, like Cossacks or TA or Ground Control. i HATE warcraft type games, u know the kind of RTS' which border on being RPGs, hopefully they will keep it stricktly RTS and take out any of the RPGesh elements out.Warcraft II had no RPG elements. It was just like Starcraft, only 3 years older, which means it was less advanced.

[Topace]

The fact is, the units look really nice in 3d however it has to be done correctly or you get WCIII. and if we wanted WCIII we would play it instead of SC. If done correctly it would be really nice to have in 3d. Am i right?¿?

[Tenebrae]

The fact is, the units look really nice in 3d however it has to be done correctly or you get WCIII. and if we wanted WCIII we would play it instead of SC. If done correctly it would be really nice to have in 3d. Am i right?¿?
I agree with that.

[Simallion]

Me too, WarIII looks way too cute to be a SC game.

[Bullroarer]

I heard that Blizzard were dropping sc2 to put the funds towards the next in the diablo series

but if they do make sc2 and it was in 3d i wouldnt mind because its not about the graphics its about the gaming experience.....Who the hell am i kidding if they go 3-d on me ill never look at starcraft the same way again

[Tenebrae]

I'm fairly sure another SC game should be up to bat next. They mention that they wanna go back to the SC world in time....and they have made a few games for everything else. It's about due. heh.

[Atlantis75]

Have any of you guys played total annihilation? That kind of 3d was good but with wc3 3d it is horrible. Because of these gorgeous 3d units the unit cap was put at 90 and even then a lot of units cost multiple supplies. If they did sc2 in and improved TA way it would be awesome. And since the 3d of TA is so simple the comp isnt taxed when playing the game. This simple 3d could also lead to a simple unit CREATOR. You could design your own unit from scratch or modify an existing unit. Doing this could expand the triggers for rpgs where you could really upgrade your unit by having the comp switch out models to show that big weapon you just got, give a new button for the spell you aquired, etc. I think every person who has fun making maps would die to have this kind of customizability without having to use custom made editors that crash the game or cause it to bug up...

[Simallion]

What TA are we talking about? The first or Kingdoms. Either way I agree with you, and that unit creator or just map editor sounds really cool.

[wraith_captain]

If they made a SC2, they should make it like SC1 and BW, just with some new units, plus some old favorite units. It should be 2d, because that's the way things should be.

[general_raynor]

sc2 has got to stay 2d, one of the great things about sc is its simplicity, why complicate it with different camera angles, zooming etc.

if you want to see sc in 3d play ghost, thats what its there for.

[kingoftheblades]

perhaps blizzard could set an option button that allows the graphics to change from 2d to 3d and back too

[Ktan]

F*cking Necro man!

Check the dates!

[Ender]

What a necro. Closed.