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kongurous
12-29-2005, 12:07 PM
This is my time to look intelligient for the moment, or at least try, and attempt to debunk some of the new Alliance race rumors going about, or at least present some candidates for your consideration. Please notify me if you have any complaints or anything to add.

Now on to the list!

Draenei - Not too likely in my opinion. First off, the Draenei on Outland are all under Illidan's control. Illidan has shown no connection, or interest, to the Grand Alliance that we can see. All the Draenei on Azeroth are in the Swamp of Sorrows, and are either insane, or too few in number to be any significant help to the Grand Alliance. Added onto the fact the Swamp is horde controlled, and the Draenei have no ties to the Alliance whatsoever, I don't see them being the new race. But they are from Draenor, and Metzen said the expansion would have a lot to do with Draenor, and a WoW GM said that the new race would probably have something to do with Draenor/Outland.


Ogre - Quite possible. Some may say the ogres are traditionally a Horde race, but the elves are traditionally an Alliance race, and look what the Horde is getting. The ogres are from Draenor, which is a plus, and they were given a few new animations. Also, the Laughing Skull Clan, an ogre clan that was in the Horde, is possibly still allied with Khadgar and his companions, provided of course, they are still alive after being on Outland for nearly 20 years. There is also a well-researched ogre rumor, saying that there are almost an infinite amount of ogre clans, same as the trolls. It also says that King Varian Wrynn will be gone from Alcaz Island(sorry for you guys who thought the real king of Stormwind was dead. he's alive)in the 1.9 patch, and what better way to appeal to the Alliance than to return the king of one of it's members to the throne? But ogres are shamanistic, and do not follow the Holy Light, so that's a bit of a negative to the rumor.

Furbolg - This is also possible. The furbolgs have an Alliance connection, they have a connection to the Emerald Dream, which may be in the expansion. They have a reason to fight the Burning Legion since their entire society was shattered due to the Legion. They had emotes and animations added to them, and while they do have shamans, they seem to natural shamans, as opposed to the elemental shamans of the Horde. They can also field many of the Alliance classes quite well, except maybe warlock. Yes, they can be rogues. Why do I say this? There are a number of reasons why a furbolg would become a rogue: corruption, adaption to their shadowy cave environment, guerrilla warfare (logical) or alternative monk fighting methods etc. Use your imagination. Anyway, this wouldn't be as stupid as it sounds. Furbolgs are not actually an enormous race like the tauren, rather just around human/night elf height. They may be wide, but not too much more than an orc. Just imagine the look on the enemy's face when a giant bear wearing black materialises behind them.

Murloc - You may be wondering why I'm putting murloc on my list. Well, you have no idea how many idiots I've seen on RP servers, claiming that murloc will be the new race. Here is my debunking of this theory. Well, where do I start? Oh yes. Murlocs are AT WAR with the Alliance. They have a shamanistic culture, not one that follows the Holy Light. No obvious connection to Outland, either. What would they use as mounts, anyway? They're fish with legs for Christ's sake. It's a wonder they can breathe above land and use magic.

Tuskarr - What, you think a walrus will be the new race? No. They have almost no connection to the Alliance, being in Northrend, and and no connection to Outland. They also have no similar models in game, they're in Northrend, and they're a freaking walrus. Oh, did I mention THEY'RE IN NORTHREND!?! What is Northrend? Capitol of the Scourge. If anything, the Tuskarr will remain neutral, or join Arthas. Or they may have joined Arthas already!

Centaur - Ok, this is another point I'd like to debunk. Go to Desolace. You're in the capitol land of the Centaur. Desolace is also a 30-40 zone, so that sounds like a hard starting area, doesn't it? Also, the centaur have 4 legs. What would their mount be? Centaur are also cannibalistic, and are generally xenophobic. They also have no obvious connection to Outland. Centaur are most likely not going to be the new race.

Gnolls - The gnolls are probably not gonna be it. I don't know who started this, but I must ask, why? The gnolls are at war with the Alliance. They're at war with everyone. They don't really have a known society, and have no connection to Outland. Certain tribes are also known to be allies of the Scourge.

Goblin - Hah. Whoever thought this up needs a clubbing. Goblins are a purely neutral race. They're also money hungry. It would also require a lot of lore changes, considering the fact that 19 years earlier in the Warcraft storyline, they were supplying the Horde with zeppelins, demolition teams, and alchemic mixtures. I also said they're money hungry. Why would this matter? Economies grow greatly in times of war, due to the demand from factories and farms and whatnot. The goblins are getting nice and fat off the growing conflict between the Horde and Alliance, supplying both sides with supplies and the means for neutral transport... for a nominal fee. And how would the neutral cities stay neutral?

Pandaren - Ah, our favorite pandas. I don't think they will be the new race, however. They have no connection to Outland, unless their hatred of the Blood Elves on account of magic use counts. They were also originally an April Fool's Joke, and are one of the longest running gags in Warcraft. Pandaren are also entirely neutral. They are hired as mercenaries for the most part, and are unlikely to get involved in the conflict. Not gonna happen.

Worgen - Debunked by the original author of this rumor.

Tigon - also known as the "tiger-headed race". Extremely unlikely. Why is this? The only verifiable reference to the Tigon as a race comes from a fan fiction, and they have no connection to Outland. Also, they are a shapeshifted form of the Tiger Aspect Trolls of Zul'Gurub.

Wisps - April Fool's joke. Quite fake.

And now I'm done. If you wish to add to this, just PM me. This might also be more helpful if it were stickied. Now feel free to rant and/or comment as you please.

Sikawtic
12-29-2005, 9:57 PM
I was really hoping for Pandaren :(

kongurous
12-29-2005, 11:45 PM
I was really hoping for Pandaren :(

http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren

All of the races that reside on Kalimdor view the pandaren with interest. Claiming to come from an island named Pandaria, which no one has ever visited, these gentle beings bring their love for beer, their quiet contemplations and their formidable fighting techniques to Kalimdor to experience life on the continent.

The Pandaren are the smallest of the bestial races and seem positively tiny next to the hulking bulk of the Furbolgs. However, they seem much less like beasts than their apparent cousins. They value honor, discipline and friendship above all else. Gain the companionship and trust of a Pandaren, they say, and you have a friend and protector for life.

Like the furbolgs, Tauren and Wildhammer Dwarves, the Pandaren follow a shamnistic faith, worshipping the Earth Mother and giving passage to their dead. They are true geomancers, drawing their holy power directly from the Earth Mother. They also follow a new philosophy (new to the other residents of Kalimdor, of course); they are a society that reacts, instead of acting first. They claim to be the water that flows around a rock: The water does not push the rock out of the way, it merely goes around it. They use this uncomplicated way of thinking in their everyday life. If they set their minds to a task, and they fail, then they believe they went about it the wrong way and try again. They do not mourn for failures, believing that they simply have mapped out improper ways to do things and they will know better next time. This philosophy seems simple, but the pandaren apply it to every aspect of their lives, from brewing beer to adventuring. They are calm, affable types who will extend the hand of friendship to a stranger on the road - but if the stranger is hostile, the hand of friendship can quickly turn into an excruciating joint lock.

They take the same stance regarding their martial arts as they do every other part of their lives. They use what works, perfecting it with terrifying results, and they don't use what doesn't work. If an injured leg won't allow the pandaren to kick very high, he gives up that kind of kick and perfects another. If up against a massive opponent, the Pandaren will not waste time trying to match strength with strength, as the opponent represents the rock in the river to them. They find a clever way to best their opponent while expending the least strength necessary. They are formidable monks, following their philosophies to the letter and perfecting their martial arts as they see fit.

What may surprise those who encounter the pandaren most, however, is their unabashed love for beer. Most religious and meditative people on Kalimdor consider alcohol a drink for the masses, a drink whose properties cloud the mind and block contemplation of the gods. The Pandaren laugh at this notion. The ideal day for a Pandaren begins with meditation and ends with a good drink with a better friend. They love encountering folk who live life to the fullest; they enjoy adventuring; and they are happiest in a tavern swapping stories and buying rounds for the house. Those lucky enough to meet a Pandaren and share in his ale will undoubtedly find it to be the best beer they have ever tasted. The down side to this, of course, is that they will no longer enjoy Kalimdor-brewed beer as much. Although they have been on Kalimdor a short time, the pandaren have already developed a special bond with the Ironforge dwarves. The Dwarves are a race that appreciates good ale and a good story, and they have many tell of their own. The Pandaren have enjoyed their stops at Bael Modan and the things they have learned of the Alliance, the Horde and the Scourge there. Being a race that honors their ancestors as well, they aid the Dwarves in their search for titan artifacts when they can. They believe knowing where one comes from is an important aspect to living a full life. They have also made friends in the half-elves they have encountered, as the half-elves are beginning to adopt the same life-accepting philosophies as the pandaren, and they find them to be ideal traveling partners.

Most Pandaren have recently arrived on Kalimdor, but there are some that fought in the recent conflicts surrounding Illidan. They were visitng with the Ironforge dwarves on Bael Modan when the call came to the Alliance to stop the blood elf and naga army traveling to Northrend. To honor their hosts, the Pandaren joined the fight. It was during this battle that they formed most of their opinions regarding the other races.

The Pandaren have liked most of the other independaent races they have met. Deciding to remain neutral themselves, they appreciate the other races' reasons for standing safely in the middle. They, understandly, identify more with the races that they have philosophies in common with. Some pandren spent many months recently with the furbolgs, learning of their simple life in Ashenvale Forest. They sympthize with the half-orcs they have met, and simply do not understand the goblins. They, like the other races of the continent, do not care for the blood elves and naga. The trolls are puzzling, as they practice divine magic, but for evil purposes, which doesn't coincide with the pandaren philosphy.

Their fondness for the Ironforge Dwarves doesn't put the Pandaren in a likely position to join the Alliance any time soon. They feel the Alliance gives too much weight too politics, treaties and arcane magic when, really, all one needs to do is step outside one's door, taste the air, feel the earth and take one's cues from there. Overall, the Alliance is unnecessarily complicated for the Pandaren, and although they do enjoy visiting Theramore (especially for the pubs), they don't plan on setting up homes there any time soon.

They have much in common with the Horde when it comes to spirituality, but they are unlikely to join their forces either. The Horde is formed of races in the midst of healing, the Pandaren believe, and they need to find themselves before they can allow anyone else to join their fold.

Besides, the Pandaren are just visiting.

Most Pandaren have recently arrived on Kalimdor, but there are some that fought in the recent conflicts surrounding Illidan. They were visiting the Ironforge dwarves on Bael Modan when the call came to the Alliance to stop the blood elf and naga army travelling to Northrend. To honour their hosts, the pandaren joined the fight. It was during this battle that they formed most of their opinions regarding other races.

Sikawtic
12-30-2005, 12:45 AM
They should work in neutral characters.

kongurous
12-30-2005, 1:29 AM
They should work in neutral characters.

And that kitten should take the frog thing off his head.

Sikawtic
12-30-2005, 1:40 AM
Nooo! He would lose his super powers!!

*downloads more WoW movies...*

Only thing keeping me sane atm. I want to play WoW so bad!!!! DAMN PC!

MEDIEVALDRAGON
01-09-2006, 6:42 AM
I have to differ concerning Pandarens. I am not saying they are the new race, but the OP says it is a April's Fool joke. It indeed was. However, from a joke it is started to grow a lot as part of the lore.

You can find extensive lore of the Pandaren at:

Warcraft RPG: Alliance & Horde Compendium
Warcraft RPG: Manual of Monsters
Warcraft The Role Playing Game corebook

And to top it up, the upcoming World of Warcraft RPG: Monster Guide will have further info about the Pandaren. When I asked Luke Johnson in the Public Q&A if Pandaren would feature on the upcoming Wow RPG: Lands of Mystery -- he declined to answer due to NDA. So it may or may not be in that new book.

Still, it is a lot of content for a joke race, don't you think?

As for the new race, my #1 choice is Draenei -- they abhor the Orcs and have been at war with them for over 500 years. They need to return to Outland possibly for Draenethyst crystals -- without it they are losing their minds. Soon or later they will become like the Lost Ones. They got a score to settle with the Burning Legion as well.

Only Cons: the Draenei in Blasted Lands seems to be neutral to Horde. Draenei traits: Permanent Stealth until they attack. As a Priest I am fed of Rogues backstabbing + Stunlock + Poison slow-mo ... I would go crazy having all Draenei classes jumping on me out of nowhere. Elves can shadowmeld and do nasty ambushes in Arathi Basin. Having Elves + Draenei unstealth to ambush would be way too convenient.

EvilEggCracker
01-09-2006, 12:08 PM
I dont think Dreanei would get a stealth racial trait. Night Elves already have Shadowmeld. It would be too many races using stealth. I dunno what else they could use though. I guess they would have a speciality with knives and daggers(if you can use knives and daggers that is:))

Geno
01-09-2006, 2:09 PM
skippy: Go into the "High Elf" race debate. Their capital would be in the shielded city of Dalaraan, and they would have tons of guards right outside!

I actually thought about High Elves for a time, even though Blizzard already had Night Elves. T'would be intriguing... But feh.

Maybe you could go into a debate about how they could/n't be the new race? >.>

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

P.S. "Night Elf + High Elves + Both on the Alliance side = stupid" doesn't count as a 'good' point. At least, not to me <.<

Aqo
01-09-2006, 2:34 PM
That is, plus the fact that Blood Elves ARE High Elves...

Geno
01-09-2006, 2:54 PM
That is, plus the fact that Blood Elves ARE High Elves...

How come I've been told before that they're different branches of the same elves...? Something about the Blood Elves being almost Zealots for the arcane energies, while the High Elves embraced it as a lifestyle... Something like that >.<;;

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

EvilEggCracker
01-09-2006, 3:28 PM
High Elves are NOT Blood Elves. Everyone seems to think that because Kael Adbandoned the Alliance that all the elves did as well. In actualy fact, a minority are still High Elves. Sure most of em have turned to "the dark side" but there is still some High Elves who refuse to feed off arcane magicks and meditate daily.

Personally, I would hate it if the High Elves were the "big" race for the Alliance. Theres too many elves already and theres too few High Elves, besides Blizzard already announced that it would not be High Elves because there was so few of em.

I still stand by my Draenei idea:)

TaurenDestroyer200
01-21-2006, 11:13 AM
i have no better idea unfortunately, but i do think that the new alliance race will not be anything that has been mentioned in this thread
but draenai (sp?) would prolly be my first (although iffy) choice

Sikawtic
01-30-2006, 12:14 AM
I really think the Draenei are the winners here.

kongurous
01-30-2006, 12:15 AM
I really think the Draenei are the winners here.

I really think it's kinda clear cut between ogres and Draenei, but since there has been no news of the new race, there can only be speculation.

Besides, Metzen said it would be unexpected, and he surely knows that a lot of people are expecting Draenei.

Sikawtic
01-30-2006, 12:17 AM
The hordes getting a pretty race, so I'd assume the Alliance gets a fugly race.

kongurous
01-30-2006, 12:18 AM
How come I've been told before that they're different branches of the same elves...? Something about the Blood Elves being almost Zealots for the arcane energies, while the High Elves embraced it as a lifestyle... Something like that >.<;;

~Larry "Geno" Meyers


You have it right, btw. The Blood Elves and High Elves are different. High Elves and Blood Elves, genetically, are the same but Blood Elves decorate themselves in taboo tatoos and dress in red and black, rather than blue and other more peaceful colors. They also prefer violence and the arcane to peace. If you need a reckless spellcaster, call the Blood Elves.

The hordes getting a pretty race, so I'd assume the Alliance gets a fugly race.

Ogres are fugly.

Sikawtic
01-30-2006, 12:19 AM
Anyone else think they might just make up another race? Like they did with gnome?

kongurous
01-30-2006, 12:20 AM
Anyone else think they might just make up another race? Like they did with gnome?

They didn't make up gnomes, dude. Gnomes were in Warcraft 2.

Sikawtic
01-30-2006, 12:20 AM
Well they had to make them up for #2.

kongurous
01-30-2006, 12:21 AM
Well they had to make them up for #2.

They had to make up orcs and humans for 1, by your logic.

Sikawtic
01-30-2006, 12:37 AM
Well to be truthfull... they didn't make up either race... or elves...

kongurous
01-30-2006, 12:47 AM
Well to be truthfull... they didn't make up either race... or elves...

Gnomes are established in fantasy and fairy tales... EVER HEARD OF DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS?

Sikawtic
01-30-2006, 12:52 AM
So blizz is full of unoriginal bastards :(

hehe... j/k.

they have furbolgs (sp.) and quillboars... and taurens are quite unique (too close to minotaurs to count?)

kongurous
01-30-2006, 12:54 AM
So blizz is full of unoriginal bastards :(

hehe... j/k.

they have furbolgs (sp.) and quillboars... and taurens are quite unique (too close to minotaurs to count?)

Every other fantasy book or game is also unoriginal and Tauren ARE Minotaurs, btw.

Sikawtic
01-30-2006, 1:05 AM
Except LOTR... which invented elves, orcs, trolls, ogres, goblins etc.

kongurous
01-30-2006, 1:14 AM
Except LOTR... which invented elves, orcs, trolls, ogres, goblins etc.

Actually, no, it didn't. Look it up on wikipedia, Tolkien took myths from all over Europe and turned it into an epic.

Incantrix
01-30-2006, 1:12 PM
Blizzard's uniqueness isn't in the choice races, its in how they look. Plus, I'd say that the Orcs, and particularly the Trolls are rather unique in look compared to Tolkien, and even D&D.

kongurous
03-31-2006, 1:41 PM
http://www.wowwiki.com/Furbolg_Rumour

Just thought I'd like that for a bit. Particularly this: http://www.wowwiki.com/Furbolg_Rumour#Draenei

Dayoh
04-02-2006, 6:52 AM
(sry for/if resurecting an old thread) what about Naga, althought TFT left them with allied with the blood elves but WoW isnt doesent exactly folo the story line...

kongurous
04-02-2006, 3:04 PM
(sry for/if resurecting an old thread) what about Naga, althought TFT left them with allied with the blood elves but WoW isnt doesent exactly folo the story line...

The Naga are at war with everyone. Why? They were made by the enemies of the entire world. When the Well of Eternity imploded, Azshara and most of her Highborne went with it. The Old Gods, who lived under the Well(don't ask how you live under a bottomless well, I don't know), transformed the Highborne and their queen into the Naga.

The Naga allied with Illidan and Kael are likely going to break off soon. Besides... in gameplay standards, how would the Naga work? What would their mount be? How would they sit? How would they ride on gryphons and hippogryphs? And remember, the Alliance hates the Naga and the Naga have ties to the Blood Elves.

They just don't work.

Dayoh
04-03-2006, 8:05 PM
WoW isnt really going to folo where TFT left off, so i dont think its going to matter if the humans hate the naga, doesent the elfs hate the dwarfs anyway?
And about the mounts would be tricky but if they were added in they would find a way.
There already are some naga NPC's in WoW right?

kongurous
04-03-2006, 9:20 PM
WoW isnt really going to folo where TFT left off, so i dont think its going to matter if the humans hate the naga, doesent the elfs hate the dwarfs anyway?
And about the mounts would be tricky but if they were added in they would find a way.
There already are some naga NPC's in WoW right?

Those Naga NPCs attack you on site, and WoW follows the warcraft storyline perfectly. The High Elves do not hate the Dwarves, nor do the Night Elves. In fact, High Elves and the Dwarves of the Wildhammer clan were quite close, and it wasn't uncommon to see a Wildhammer Druid.