Noob Modder Shooting High

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

yeah, im a noob, and i decided i wanna start modding... my first objective is getting the programs to work on my computer, next im just gonna fodder around till i get it right. i already have pretty cool mod ideas, but some small things i might need help with by professionals (prefferably BSTRhino).

im gonna shoot pretty high if i get the mod programs running... my main problem is that im not very patiant, and i know that learning to mod takes time... well... off to work.

[Holocaust]

Ok, nice to meet you wolfgang
But what is it that you need help with?

[loads_of_fun]

but some small things i might need help with by professionals (prefferably BSTRhino)BST is not the only pro around you know,
DiscipleOfAdun is really good too, also i'm
not what i would calla pro but i still know
a lot

what is it that you need help with?

Edit: damn Holocaust got to it 1st

[Holocaust]

Indeed, It's not just BST you can turn to, there's like a whole legion of modders that you can ask for help here =D

[GrimTerror]

You'll need pateince to learn modding, trust me on that one. It's not just a walk in the park.

I can give you a noobs-eye view on the basics! Recently being there myself!

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ok, i downloaded all the modding programs. im gonna try to get them running.
well, i wanted BST because of his tank and marine from Terran Doom, i love the marines attack, and i love how the tank can shoot while moving.
heres s small list of what im gonan try to do today...

get the dropship to have a turret... thats been a goal of mine for a loooong time... maybe a tank turret that can attack air and ground?

[Holocaust]

Lol, we were all there Grim
Me, just two months ago I didn't know what an mpq was

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

oh yeah, whats an mpq? lol

[GrimTerror]

Your aiming a bit high Wolfgang. You'll need IceCC to do that stuff. Start with the basics and get used to modding first! IceCC is a minefield to new people!

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

yeah, ok, ill try and get my marine kinda like bst's, as long as he doesnt get mad or anything and say im stealing his idea... but i cant help it... the marine owns on TD.

[GrimTerror]

To me, an MPQ is the file which contains all your modded data. You do very little them apart from shifting them around, but its the contents of a MPQ that you change (i think)

[Holocaust]

O.o, well that may be a tad advanced
You might want to just stick with basics for now like stat changes
For the dropship to have a turret, you need to use RetreGRP, which leads into other programs like IceCC which is quite advanced.
For the tank to be able to shoot air, I don't know if the tank already comes default with an air attack animation in Ice, if it doesn't you have to give it one there, Ice is also advanced
But don't fret you'll be able to use them after a few weeks or so of modding

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ill be back in aminute, i gotta restart my computer to install the sricpt host thing

[GrimTerror]

Tank doesn't come with a default Air attack!

I suggest you start at the tutorials in SC.Org, written by the great BSTRhino himself!

www.Starcraft.org (http://www.starcraft.org/)

Go go go!

Edit: This isn't live chat by the way:P

[loads_of_fun]

heres (http://www.starcraft.org/customs/CustomsTutorials/Creating+your+first+mod) a good tut to start off with

[Holocaust]

Not default air attack, default air attack ANIMATION, like the valkyrie, the reason you could give it geminis in G.T. was because it already had a default ground attack animation in Ice but had, no ground weapon

[GrimTerror]

That's what i meant! Seriously!

See, LOF gives adivce to go to tuts on SC.ORG too! Great minds think alike!

CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME CLOSURE ON MY QUESTIONS! YOU ALL FLOCK TO HELP THE NEW GUY BUT WHAT ABOUT ME!!!!

[Holocaust]

That's what i meant! Seriously!

lol...:rolleyes:

Yeah, best bet is check out tutorials on SC.org or SEN

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

hmm... ill check out the tutorial in a sec

[GrimTerror]

My super-wise advice is to...Shoot low first! You'll get tangled up in Arsenal 3 if you start off too fast! You can still do good things with that low-tech.

Oh and a warning. Stay away from Rhino...He's mine...

(:P)

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

well shit... the programs wont run.... i downlaoded the microsoft script host

oh, duh... i had to rerun them as a zip...

[GrimTerror]

What a microsoft host? lol, never mind.

Which programs are you trying anyway? If it begins with an I you'd best keep away from it!

Edit: He got confused by a ZIP? Didn't i say start sloooooowly? Am i wise or what!:)

[Holocaust]

Oh and a warning. Stay away from Rhino...He's mine...(:P)

LOL xD

Like Grim said, shoot low first, you need basics and every step counts along the way, going for something really high is just going to leave you dazed and confused.

[GrimTerror]

Yes! Infinate Modding wisdom is mine! Even the Elder Modders bow down to me!

Oh i wish this moment of Glory would never end!!

[Holocaust]

Yes! Infinate Modding wisdom is mine! Even the Elder Modders bow down to me!

Oh i wish this moment of Glory would never end!!

Yet your spelling is still offset...lol

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ok, i got the programs running i think

and when the hell did i get confused by a zip?

[Holocaust]

Good, just start off with Arsenal III
Even it can be complicated somtimes o.o'

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

im used to them dling as a zip already, but i had to manually go through and zip them

[GrimTerror]

Where are the spelling errors at all? If you find less than 3 you will have to be my dog for a week!

Oh look he's back! Read the tutorials. Its no good having modding programs if you do not know how to use them.

[loads_of_fun]

but really think low for 1st mod (like
peremant clock for rine) and a bit
higher for 2nd mod (like flying lings)
and just contue on like that till you
mastered Ar3 then on to the next prog

and for your 1st few mods if you crash
SC your trying to make it to complated

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ok, if i change the stats (im sure i know how, ive done it before), how do i get those stat changes into sc? doesnt it ahve to do with the mpq and those programs?

[Holocaust]

but really think loq for 1st mod (like
peremant clock for rine) and a bit
higher for 2nd mod (like flying lings)
and judt contue on like that till you
mastered Ar3 then on to the next prog

Precisely, step by step

And Grim, "Infinate"?
I always thought it was "Infinite" xD

[GrimTerror]

Did you read the tutorials?

Edit: You only found one spelling error! You must be my dog! Sit, sit!!! Bad dog! SIT!!!

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

fine, ill go spend 30 mintues reading

[loads_of_fun]

stats like makeing the f-bat have 1000
helth and plams shildes? or some other
thing? (stats_txt.tbl?)

[GrimTerror]

Good, take your time. You cant make a mod overnight you know! Slow down!

[Holocaust]

O.o, 30 minutes...wow
Ten will do the trick
and It's spelled "infinite", Grim =D

[GrimTerror]

Don't backchat me Doggie!

[loads_of_fun]

Good, take your time. You cant make a mod overnight you know! Slow down!well it only took me like 15-20 mins to
make my 1st mod, but the more advanced
the mod the longer it takes

[Holocaust]

ok, if i change the stats (im sure i know how, ive done it before), how do i get those stat changes into sc? doesnt it ahve to do with the mpq and those programs?

Why yes it does
Just drag your mod folder onto the MPQCompactor Icon
The go to WinMPQ, go to file and run that option that says "something then 2000"
There you go, an mpq =D

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

and yeah, ive played with the arsenal before, and i even got the mod into the gear lookin thing on the desktop, but it didnt run, haha

[GrimTerror]

Do you have to contridict me LOF? Anyway, it make have taken you 15 mins to do the mod, but you need to learn the tech first!

[Holocaust]

Don't backchat me Doggie!
Wth are you talking about? o.o

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

damn, winmpq still wont work!

[Holocaust]

and yeah, ive played with the arsenal before, and i even got the mod into the gear lookin thing on the desktop, but it didnt run, haha

did you make sure that all your dat files were in a folder named "arr"?

[GrimTerror]

5 pages in about half an hour? Isn't this getting a bit out of hand?

[Holocaust]

damn, winmpq still wont work!
You have Java don't you? o.o

[loads_of_fun]

Do you have to contridict me LOF? Anyway, it make have taken you 15 mins to do the mod, but you need to learn the tech first!no, but 10 mins to read the tut then
5-10 mins to make a few changes
(pernamty cloak on vulture was my
1st one)

Win MPQ does'ent need java files in
needs the Visual Basic 4.0 Runtime (http://www.starcraft.org/downloads/OtherFiles/RuntimeFiles/Visual%20Basic%204.0%20Runtime)

[Holocaust]

Do you have to contridict me LOF? Anyway, it make have taken you 15 mins to do the mod, but you need to learn the tech first!

Learning the tech actually took me like 5-10 minutes o.o

[GrimTerror]

You only made one change in your first mod LOF?

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

well, i dont think i have java... and this is so called out of hand because this trhead only contains 10% posts that are related to whats tryin to be done

[Holocaust]

I distinctedly remember it was a Wraith and not a vulture o.o

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ok, where can i get java

[Holocaust]

well, i dont think i have java... and this is so called out of hand because this trhead only contains 10% posts that are related to whats tryin to be done

Yeah, I agree, I'll stop going off topic

Well I think that might be the solution, you need the latest Java Runtime, it can be dled here too =D

[GrimTerror]

So it was only one change then?

You can Download Java next to the IceCC download @ SC.Org. Leave IceCC for now.

CODEZERO seems content watching...

[Holocaust]

It's in the top most thread in this forum

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

wheres here? hehe

[Holocaust]

It's easier to dl here, save time

[loads_of_fun]

You only made one change in your first mod LOF?yea... i started off ez

[GrimTerror]

I wouldn't say so LOF.

Aww i gotta get a bath. I'll be as quick as i can! Try not to excel more than 10 pages in my absence, ok?:P

[Holocaust]

wheres here? hehe

lol, in this forum, it's labeled "mapping and Modding guide" or something along those lines

[loads_of_fun]

lol, in this forum, it's labeled "mapping and Modding guide" or something along those lineswell heres (http://www.starcraft.org/downloads/OtherFiles/RuntimeFiles/Java%20Runtime%20Environment%20%5BWindows%5D) the link to them on SC.org

also i have to go (take the dogs out) i'll
be back soon

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ugh.... this sucks... my computer blows

this is why i kept ignoring to mod, because my computer is senile

[Holocaust]

Don't worry about it,
I got pretty flared the first time the damn MPQCompactor told me I'd have to run WINMPQ at least once to get it working and it couldn't work
I think I restarted my computer after dling Java...

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

hot damn (ive always wanted to say that) it works now!

[Holocaust]

Lol, I look forward to seeing your first mod

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ok, im gonna do a absic mod, im gonna change the marine

[GrimTerror]

What have i missed?

(Do not that i am Dripping wet, you'll have to speak up, i'm wearing a towel)

[Holocaust]

Great unit to start on, I wonder what your marine will be able to do...^^

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ok, im gonna try and amke a twist... can i give the marine say... a longbolt missile for air attack? or do i need to go deeper in the mods?

[Holocaust]

What have i missed?

(Do not that i am Dripping wet, you'll have to speak up, i'm wearing a towel)

Another modder has been born =D

[GrimTerror]

Nope, just change its Air attack to Longbolt Missile (Nice idea btw)

[loads_of_fun]

k, i'm back too

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

so far, very simple, 50 health, 50 shield, 100 time (i presume means 10 seconds per 100) and gauss rifle max 2 hits

[GrimTerror]

He was walking the dogs! How ironic.

Should we take this to IRC?

[Holocaust]

ok, im gonna try and amke a twist... can i give the marine say... a longbolt missile for air attack? or do i need to go deeper in the mods?
Giving the 'rine is long bolt just fine and dandy, you may go deeper if you dare =D

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

and thanks for the help guys! i greatly appreciate it

[Holocaust]

hmm, Gauss rifle now does 12 damage I presume o.o

[GrimTerror]

Are you thanking me too!?

[loads_of_fun]

He was walking the dogs! How ironic.

Should we take this to IRC?perhaps *loads goes and logs on*

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

hmm... cuz i was thinking, if i give longbolt, i may need to edit the graphics and what not... can i give the firebat a missile launcher?

[Holocaust]

=), no problem
My hat's off to you

oh yes you can, "Fire Rockets!" ^^

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

yeah, im gonna make damage 4 and give him 3 extra (cuz marines gun sounds like a 3 round burst)

[GrimTerror]

The Longbolt is fine, but Leave The Firebat for now. Its a bit more complex removing the flame-thrower overlay an all.

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

cuz i wanna make the firebat a heavy demolitions trooper... and give the ghost a lot bigger range

[GrimTerror]

Is that 3 extra shots for the marine, is that what you meant?

[Holocaust]

o.o, combining realism
Great stuff

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

and why are there soo many weapons? theres like 30 gauss rifles and such... since theres only 2 marines in game (marine and raynor) i would expect only 2 gausses??

[GrimTerror]

Holo and Wolfie. Going to IRC?

[Holocaust]

You don't necesarrily have to remove the flame overlay, it'll look quite realistic actually since rocket launchers always let out a burst or something

[GrimTerror]

Yeah but the rockets have their own trails, so shush and get on IRC!

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

can i make the flame shoot backwords as a backblast?

[Holocaust]

IRC? I've never regestered there v.v
Those extra weapon slots can enable you to have many options, like say........creating you own customized weapon?

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

agh, im goin too advanced, il just stick to simple stuff

[GrimTerror]

Wolfgang, you will need to practice alone. If you come across an error don't be afraid to try and edit it yourself. You'll need to do this stuff alone if you wish to advance!!

[Holocaust]

Yes, you can do that, but that means tampering with the iscript, that might be slightly more advanced

[loads_of_fun]

IRC? I've never regestered there v.vyou dont need to

[Holocaust]

Wolfgang, you will need to practice alone. If you come across an error don't be afraid to try and edit it yourself. You'll need to do this stuff alone if you wish to advance!!

Not always, help and advice could be useful
Midnight' helped me during the late-early stages =D

[GrimTerror]

Yes, you can do that, but that means tampering with the iscript, that might be slightly more advanced

SLIGHTLY!? Are you out of your mind!? IceCC is terrible to start off with!

[Holocaust]

you dont need to
Oh really? o.o
I'll be there then, and here at the same time

[GrimTerror]

I think its best to work stuff out alone. You discover things for yourself. Self-learning is the quickest way to advance, cuz you don't always get the modding circle's undivided attention like he is now:)

[Holocaust]

SLIGHTLY!? Are you out of your mind!? IceCC is terrible to start off with!
lol...I never said "Start off with IceCC"

And I do find Ice "slightly" harder to use than A3 =D
It all depends on preference

[GrimTerror]

Oh really? o.o
I'll be there then, and here at the same time

Dont be sarcastic like, it is possible! Me and LOF are doing it as you speak!

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

whats factor? in the gauss rifle setup

[GrimTerror]

Factor is... i can't remember off head, if i saw Arsenal 3 i'd know. Something to do with upgrades or weapon damage.

[Holocaust]

I think its best to work stuff out alone. You discover things for yourself. Self-learning is the quickest way to advance, cuz you don't always get the modding circle's undivided attention like he is now:)

mm, you do have a point, Grim
Wolfgang, we'll let you discover A3 on your own, but if you have any questions feel free to ask anyone around, good luck =D

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

yaya, i get it now

[Holocaust]

Dont be sarcastic like, it is possible! Me and LOF are doing it as you speak!
Thing is, what's the url for IRC? o.o'

[GrimTerror]

Get what now?

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

i am discovering on my own, but ill ask about something that i dont know will screw the game up or what.

if i put factor on 2 the damage goes up 2 per upgrade (remember from make editing)

woops, i mean, map editing

[GrimTerror]

Thing is, what's the url for IRC? o.o'

Got to the menu in the top left nav and click on IRC chat!!

Edit: Open another window/browser to stay with Warboards!

[Holocaust]

Get what now?

*clears throat*
I don't know the url for IRC o.o'

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ok, i clicked save as... save as... MFM (my first mod) in what folder?

[GrimTerror]

Look above that Holo!

Edit: Wolf check out Rhino's tuts @ SC.Org, they will help you save and run your mods better than we could. There are visula aids too! Lovely lovely visual aids!!!

[Holocaust]

I don't think it's factor, i distinced remember it was "Bonus"

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

weapons dat?

isnt bonus where when he attacks, it can do extra damage?

[Holocaust]

ok, i clicked save as... save as... MFM (my first mod) in what folder?
save the dat. files in arr
then save arr in any choice of name folder you want
then save that folder anywhere

[GrimTerror]

Weapons.dat what? Use the tut! *Throws tutorial at Wolfgang"

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

like say... bonus 3 means he can do 3 damages per attack?

[Holocaust]

weapons dat?

isnt bonus where when he attacks, it can do extra damage?

No, it's definitly Bonus, the Factor, I'm not sure of o.o

[loads_of_fun]

Holocaust you commin? (to IRC)

[GrimTerror]

Bonus = Number of points of damage awarded when upgrading the weapons!

If bonus = 4, then he'll do an extra 4 damage for every level of upgrade. +4 at level 1, +8 at level 2, +12 at level 3.

[Holocaust]

like say... bonus 3 means he can do 3 damages per attack?

+3 Per upgrade

Holocaust you commin? (to IRC)
I'ma trying to, but keep disconnecting on me X.X

[GrimTerror]

I said that before you Holo and gave an example!:P

Gooo meee! Get your butt on IRC!

[Holocaust]

I said that before you Holo and gave an example!:P

Gooo meee! Get your butt on IRC!

lol
Trying my best >.<

[GrimTerror]

Wolfgang, you too! Get onto IRC!!!

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

irc? (sorry, i havnt been following conversation)

log in error for irc

ok, im back, ive been chattin with friends, and i read the tut, im almost done wit my first mod, im just makin the exe... now that the programs work,,, this stuff seems easy, and thanks alot for the help!

i need help... on mpqdraft, whats a plugin?

[GrimTerror]

You don't need plug ins for your mod, so just skip it.

Have you read the creating a self-executing .exe tut? That'll help you to immortalize it as a gear. The you can test your mod out before submitting it to SC.Org customs database.

[Holocaust]

you don't need to worry about plug-ins, I have no idea why they're there o.o

[GrimTerror]

Hey you, thats what i just said!

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

im not gonna submit this mod, tis not worthy, lol

ok, im gonna test it now

[Holocaust]

whoops, your post must have been sent faster

Submit your mod whenever you feel ready =D

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

wow.... it actually does work!!! but, it crashed when i tried to atatck air with tank

crap, i need to retest and see if tank will attack while moving... i set tank turret ai to attack target while tank is moving... i think that may make it attack while moving... if not, tell me how... and how for tank to attack air.

[Holocaust]

You need to use Ice if you the tank to attack air, but you'll find that out later on

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ok, tank and bat crash game while trying to attack air, and marine dont wanna use the missiles i gave him

[GrimTerror]

Take the air attack for the tank off! Leave it for now! It's a bit to complicated (not even i can do it yet!) Play one of my first 3 mods, you'll get the idea of what you can do with Arsenal 3 alone.

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

and the firebat is a terror on the fiels, haha, i had 4 bats and 2 medics take out a zerg base (until a bat tried to kill overlord)

[GrimTerror]

Take the air attack off the bat too....

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

well, i guess i got arsenal down... ok, ill patch up my mod!
ill have bat and tank take care of ground, ok.. im gonna go tinker... and i wanna check out tblpad, to change the mens names

[GrimTerror]

Good for your tinkering, but be careful with tbl.pad. Go one program at a time, advancing when you've mastered each program.

[Holocaust]

For the tank and fb attack air, once again, you need to give it that specific animation in Ice of IceCC
The marine, I think like the firebat, creates that specific overlay when it attack so maybe anyother attacks you give it will end up looking like a bunch of bullets

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

im making a mod, im gonna call it, Terran Revamped... all terran units have shields, and some zerg do too... most terran units are built around waht i think is more modern... something that if i was a commander, id have done.

i just gotta try and get both tblpad and arsenal 3 to cooperate and get them into the same mpg thing. well, im gonna go look at the tus for further instructions.. oh, and im sure my mod will be on SC.org by tonight.

[Holocaust]

wicked, looking forward to it =D

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

im havin 1 problem that ales me... lol... but, when i edit units, i save as units.dat under arr in my file right, but do i do the same with tbl pad and upgrades?

[Holocaust]

no, you save the stat.txt in a folder called rez

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

im hard on learning, so, i save the upgrade as a what? (i made upgrades cheaper and less time)

ur gonna need to baby step me on this part

start from the start... im in arsenal 3 and i click save as... save as what and where?

[Holocaust]

the upgrades you save in arr
The units you save in arr
The weapons (if you have 'em) in arr
tbl name changes in rez =D

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

oh, nad holocaust, log onto msn messanger, that would be easier, i have msn too, i already added u

[Holocaust]

=D, alrighty then ^^

[MidnightGladius]

Oh wow, this thread just grew out of nowhere, didn't it...

Advance at your own pace so that you feel comfortable with it. I worked with A3 alone for perhaps 2 days before DLing IceCC and everything else. Then I worked out all of that for a month, and you know where that led to...

Oh, and by the way, my modding programs now work! Expect some light stuff from me soon to get back into shape.

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

well, looks like my mods gonna be on sc. org very soon, thanks a lot to holo

my tblpad still wont run! any help or ideas?

[Holocaust]

Don't mention it =)
Try dling Tblpad off the SEN, I don't know why it doesn't work, I don't think it needs any additional files to get it to work o.o

[MidnightGladius]

Could you provide a more detailed error message? I, like Holocaust, don't think TBLPad requires any additional files to operate, but hey, we could always all be wrong.

[GrimTerror]

Hi MG! 2 days playing with Arsenal 3? And here's me with about, a month or so!?:(

tblPad shouldn't require any requirements, but if you wanna make sure it'll be in SC.Org (all downloads say whether they need a required program or not.)

One tip i could give, if you haven't use it already.

Make a new folder...in fact i'll stop there, its a starcraft tut!

You have made a seperat Arr and Rez folder in your mod folder, right? Instead of using the default ones in Arsenal 3. I am assuming you have, if so, ignore me (but not forever!)

[loads_of_fun]

no, you save the stat.txt in a folder called rezno thats wrong too, you need to save
it as stats_txt.tbl

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

well, my mods done, after is sent it in, i realised that the firebat ghost and goliath were not what i was hopin for.

and i guess i mastered arsenal 3 now, i know much about it. and i read rhinos tut about modding, i have a folder called modding home.

and my tbl pad says somethin like>> Can't load (or register) Custom control: COMDLG32.OCX

oh, and im gonna remake my mod, because i love screwin with arsenal 3, haha

[Holocaust]

lol
Mastering A3 can be a difficult job, with sprites, flingys and tilesets not to mention o.o

[MidnightGladius]

I only use A3 for units/weapons, now. For all of the other DAT files, I use Arsenal Zero. It's so much easier to go through, especially with ctrl+f searches for those pesky data chains.

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

im makin another mod, its similar to my first Terran Revamped, but this one upgrades all basic units in the game... even the nuke

[MidnightGladius]

Almost sounds like Midnight Terrans all over again...

Anyways, good luck with it. Be sure to remind me to play and review.

[GrimTerror]

I didn't know you could edit sprites and flingys in Ar3. Ah well, at least i can do it using the weapons part ^^.

You can edit them in IceCC right? You have to be able to!

Wolf - I'll play your mod as soon as it comes out!

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

midnight terrans? thats a mod right? and what sounds like midnight terrans?

well, my only concern is that id like to get the laser sound effect out of my units attacks... i use the laser for many attacks because it looks like a tracer round. oh, and hey bstrhino, if u read this... how did you get the marine to have random grenade launcher? and how can i give goliath spread attack?

oh yeah, and, is there a way i can speed up the nuclear strike? i wanna make the nuke pretty weak, but make its launching and striking very fast, so that its more of a JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition... aka, smart bomb) airstrike.

and i will never stop my quest until the dropship gets a machine gun turret! make the turret attack while the dropship moves, like the tank off of Terran Doom.

thanks for the help guys, holocaust helped me a lot with starting modding, i undrstand the basics quite well now, and any ideas on tblpad yet?

[Holocaust]

For the Spread attack and random attack, you'll need Ice and IceCC
and No Prob, don't mention it =D

[MidnightGladius]

Wolfgang, this is Midnight Terrans:

http://www.starcraft.org/customs/customsdb/heavymodifications/81

And Holocaust is right. At least about needing ICE and/or IceCC, anyways.

[GrimTerror]

I know a bit about it, and i'm actually trying it out myself. Its to do with the projangleattk code and/or an invisible sprite thing. Don't quite know about the coding bit for random weapons.

In either case, you shouldn't worry about doing that just yet. Focus on Data Reprogramming for a moment, then you can move on to iScript editing (ICE/IceCC,) or another advanced program that focuses on Tech tree or graphics editing (Memgraft and RetroGPR.)

If you go too fast, it can get pretty confusing. I mean, hey! Just look at all those threads i posted about using IceCC! (about 10!)

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

hey, if anyone knows soemthin about tblpad, heres a mystery for ya to solve... every time i try to open tblpad it says>>> Cant load (or register) custom control: COMDLG32.OCX

[GrimTerror]

Type that code into Google, and you might get a page that offers certain files to download. It sometimes happens with some modding programs, that your missing a required file for it to run. You can usually download them from somewhere and stick it wherever it needs to be.

Not sure if that is the case this time, but it's worth a shot.

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ok, i got tbl to work... now time to learn ice..... oh damn.

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

ookk, im not such a noob modder anymore. ive learned arsenal, tbl, and how to create and play mpq's. now im moving onto memgraph... im gonna need an experienced modder thats patient and has either aim, or msn messenger. many thanks for the help guys.

oh, message me at wolfengang@hotmail.com or my aim alpha wolfengang

right now, im gonna try to give the battlecruiser a cloaking ability. this will require memgraph... any ideas? oh, and can i have the factory, barracks, and starport become a type of shield battery for my men???

the builder buildigns can recharge my mens shields, just like the toss's shield battery does for them. and can i have the shield betteries recharge other buildings?

[loads_of_fun]

the builder buildigns can recharge my mens shields, just like the toss's shield battery does for them. and can i have the shield betteries recharge other buildings?i suspose you could do that is you change
the requirements, added the right buttons,
and the units had plama shildes, i guess so

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

but im not that experienced yet.

and turret on the dropship is one of my main goals.

[GrimTerror]

Take it one program at a time. Your Dropship will be your inspiration:) You're not quit modding when you do it though are you?

[INcuBI-wolfgang]

oh, no, its just that, my mission will be mostly complete after i get a kick ass dropship. and... if i ever become a great modder, im gonna make a HALO mod... hehehhe.

well, i guess this thread is about dead... my new thread "Learning Memgraph and Retro" is where im gonna try to learn those.