how to deal with your gf breaking up over religious differences?

[LinkTheGameFreak]

i don't know and i really like this girl but ever since her family found out last night that my family speaks in tongues when they pray (sometimes) (if you don't know what that means, this website will explain it >> http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=83)

her family got all weird about me believing that and just now she said she had to make a decision about it last night

i'm not really sad about it, but it does hurt that a small religious difference like that could take away someone so important to me :(

[GenocideAlive]

Yeah, welcome to the fucked up reality of what happens when "god's word" gets lost in translation. Instead of having one, unified brotherhood of Christianity, you have sects of elitest schisms niggling over the stupidest details of unimportant side-issues.

If Christian lore regarding revelations is correct, it's my firm belief that Christianity itself will become the religion of the Beast. It will become so twisted and petty that it will actually come to represent the apex of what it's not supposed to be. Those that don't schism and refuse to take part in the bastardized, backwards mainstream Christianity will be persecuted and ostracized. Sort of like how people now will spaz if you say you're atheist and start condemning you or declaring your religious fate.

[LinkTheGameFreak]

thanks genny, i never had this problem with other gf's before, and apparently she wasn't allowed to date boys who believe in what i believe in

it's not so much a problem now, but as soon as she comes by to talk to me about it i'm sure i won't be as collected as i am now

[Xenon]

You "speak in tongues" LTGF?

ummmm... freak...

Maybe it isn't really a religious thing. I mean, anyone who "speaks in tongues" has got to be just a wee bit crazy. It's not really a rational thing to do...

Watch me speak in tongues: "shaladjoo asdomnum uiy ye et et et ya balaboo shamoo et you too foo crazymofosho ching chong king kong."

[Black.Ice]

Relgious issues like this suck. I've known too many people who've had so many problems with the girls that they like because they're a different religion.

But, you have to realize that if the family puts their religion at a higher status than you, you're bound to have problems later down the road if your relationship gets serious. Think about it in 10 years if you have kids. Remember, if she put the religion in front of you at one time, she'll be willing to do it again which can cause a whole lot of problems.

I've known too many people who've had the same experience. However hard it may be, I would give up what you love in hopes of finding someone better in the future.

Good luck :/


EDIT: Hey Xenon, just saw your post. It doesn't matter what religion someone follows. Even though you or I may not agree with it, no need to share your negative opinion about it.

[Modred]

Well, that sucks. My girlfriend from this time last year is of a somewhat different sect of Christianity, but it didn't get in the the way, at least not on the surface. She did use it as an excuse when we broke up, though.

I'd say just try to explain why you believe in speaking in tongues and ask her to identify why she has a problem with it.

[GenocideAlive]

You "speak in tongues" LTGF?
ummmm... freak...
Maybe it isn't really a religious thing. I mean, anyone who "speaks in tongues" has got to be just a wee bit crazy. It's not really a rational thing to do...
Watch me speak in tongues: "shaladjoo asdomnum uiy ye et et et ya balaboo shamoo et you too foo crazymofosho ching chong king kong."
Deep, Xenon. Real deep.

[Xenon]

Deep, Xenon. Real deep.

You must be having depth perception problems because it wasn't meant to be deep.

You must ask nicely for deep.

This is a shallow problem as I see it. Stop speaking like a f*cking moron, and everything will be fine. Speaking in tongues has got to be one of the most idiotic ideas protestants ever latched on to.

It isn't supposed to be babble anyway, it's supposed to be the spirit of god moving you to speak in another language than your own. If it's god's language that you're supposed to be speaking (another thing these freaks try and tell you) then why doesn't it sound the same when two people in the same room are speaking it at the same time? Why can't we translate it?

It's basically mass-hysteria/mass-autohypnosis in which people fall into these self-induced trances and utter absolute nonsense. It's base superstition at it's best and freakish abberant behaviour at it's worst.

Get help. Seriously.

Good for her parents though. It's obvious they care about their daughter and don't want her to produce offspring with someone mentally gullible enough to believe in "speaking in tongues". Their first tip that LTGF was unsuitable should have been that ridiculous hat on his head.

[GenocideAlive]

This is a shallow problem as I see it. Stop speaking like a f*cking moron, and everything will be fine. Speaking in tongues has got to be one of the most idiotic ideas protestants ever latched on to.

It isn't supposed to be babble anyway, it's supposed to be the spirit of god moving you to speak in another language than your own. If it's god's language that you're supposed to be speaking (another thing these freaks try and tell you) then why doesn't it sound the same when two people in the same room are speaking it at the same time? Why can't we translate it?

It's basically mass-hysteria/mass-autohypnosis in which people fall into these self-induced trances and utter absolute nonsense. It's base superstition at it's best and freakish abberant behaviour at it's worst.

Get help. Seriously.
As I see it, you're begging for another visit from the :banned: Fairy.

[Neo]

My brother recently had a problem like this crop up, I think (i don't know everything :P) but they love each other to much to allow it to effect them, though my brother damn near lost it.

At any rate, why would it matter what you do when you pray... Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt praying usually done in church, or alone?

Gosh Xenon could you talk any furthur out of your ass? AFAIK Speaking in tongues is just speaking with certain latin words or phrases. omg so crazy.

-Neo

[Mr.Bad]

xenon, calm down, calm down there is no need to insult people. plz shut up and stop ranting and raving

[Xenon]

Gosh Xenon could you talk any furthur out of your ass? AFAIK Speaking in tongues is just speaking with certain latin words or phrases. omg so crazy.

-Neo

Which shows exactly how much you know about the subject: next to nothing.

Apparently you didn't even follow the link that LTGF left for those who know nothing about it to follow. You should have swallowed your pride and admitted at least to yourself that you know nothing about speaking in tongues. Had you followed the link, you would know that:

"You just open your mouth and utilize the mechanics of speech, but do not speak English or any other language you know. What you will be speaking is whatever language God chooses to give you. If it is a language of men, someone somewhere on the earth (among the approximately 6000 or so dialects) could understand it. If it’s a language of angels, no one on earth would understand it."

That last sentence is a convenient catch-all phrase that every good con has which will explain away anything that isn't covered by the plausible sounding explanation clause the con gives.

You know what's REALLY like speaking out of your ass? Speaking in tongues.

[hammocksleeper]

Xenon please be a little more sensitive.

And as far as Link's problem, religious differences are not a "small" thing by any stretch of the imagination to many families. It doesn't have to be speaking in tongues, it can be Protestant vs Catholic or anything else. A lot of people take religion very seriously, and don't want their children to be raised in any other way (or perhaps in this case, their children's children).

[Kingscrab]

AFAIK Speaking in tongues is just speaking with certain latin words or phrases. omg so crazy. Isn't that just called speaking Latin? :rolleyes:

Err... I thought speaking in tongues was some sort of supernatural unearthly phenomenon. Although I admit, i have not touched a bible since parochial school back in the dizzay. And i'm not a Ghostbuster... so, I could be wrong.

[Xenon]

The real thing you should bring away from this thread LTGF, isn't whether or not speaking in tongues is good, or cool, or religious. It's that you need to know yourself, and your girlfriend needs to know herself.

If you both know yourselves and what is important to eachother, then if it's real love you'll find some kind of compromise or way to be together. Whether that's the both of you renouncing all religion and just being "in the now" together, or whether that's you converting to hers, or her converting to yours is immaterial. As long as you know what's important to you, then you'll know what you have to do.

In life, people really do make decisions based on religion. Big decisions. It seems like a simple thing to you, because you've probably grown up with it all your life. But to anyone not used to "speaking in tongues" it's gonna freak the hell out of them when you start yammering away in something that sounds like gobbledygook to them. What if your girlfriend told you that to show her love for Jesus she used a crucifix to pleasure herself? If she'd grown up that way, I bet she would think it was a little thing, but I bet your parents wouldn't like it and would expect you to dump her.

The thing is, it's your girlfriend's own decision to make. Perhaps pleasing her parents is more important to her than pleasing you. If that's so, you have to respect her for it. Maybe she truly does think speaking in tongues is a really big freakish deal, and if so, you still have to respect her for it.

When two people come together, it's never easy. Especially if they have vastly different opinions on certain things: sex, politics, and religion. Hard to have love if you don't have a couple of those in common.

[EvilEggCracker]

Thats why im an Aethist, religious complications hardly ever come into play!

[GrassDragon]

Thats why im an Aethist, religious complications hardly ever come into play!
...how do you figure that o_O?

[EvilEggCracker]

I dont!:D

Seriously though,hmm...I dunno:confused:

[loads_of_fun]

Thats why im an Aethist, religious complications hardly ever come into play!same here, but for dif reaysons

[GrassDragon]

I dont!:D

Seriously though,hmm...I dunno:confused:
If your religion and your chick's religion is different, than religious problems can arise.

[EvilEggCracker]

same here, but for dif reaysons

Im an Aethist for diff reasons too!;)

Well, if you and your gf are truly "in love" then I doubt such freakish,horrible(but hilarious) religious implications like speaking in that disgusting tongues.

Also, WHY? What is the point in speaking in tongues?

[Darmago]

Well, I know several christians that would never date atheists, so thats religious conflict there.

And it would make you appear less of an asshole, xenon, if you voiced your dissaprovment in a little more respect for somone elses choices and life?

[Sikawtic]

Is the ex christian and just doens't like the tongues? or aethiest? I'm confused.

I went to a church (yes, i was attending 2 churches at one point :O) and they had tongues and stuff. I thought it was pretty much BS, they just repeated the same things over and over, and surprise! all of them were repeating the exact some thing... like one made it up and everyone wanted to be religious and copy it. I was like... wtf.

Then the pastor's kid would have "seisures" while worshipping... and one of my friends would constantly be crying during prayer. I mean... I'm a christian, but that is just like... WTF?

[Neo]

Which shows exactly how much you know about the subject: next to nothing.

Apparently you didn't even follow the link that LTGF left for those who know nothing about it to follow. You should have swallowed your pride and admitted at least to yourself that you know nothing about speaking in tongues. Had you followed the link, you would know that:

"You just open your mouth and utilize the mechanics of speech, but do not speak English or any other language you know. What you will be speaking is whatever language God chooses to give you. If it is a language of men, someone somewhere on the earth (among the approximately 6000 or so dialects) could understand it. If it’s a language of angels, no one on earth would understand it."

That last sentence is a convenient catch-all phrase that every good con has which will explain away anything that isn't covered by the plausible sounding explanation clause the con gives.

You know what's REALLY like speaking out of your ass? Speaking in tongues.
Whats interesting is that technically women aren't supposed to speak in tongues at all.

Perhaps that was one of the root problems between Link and this girl =P

-Neo

[LinkTheGameFreak]

You "speak in tongues" LTGF?

ummmm... freak...

Maybe it isn't really a religious thing. I mean, anyone who "speaks in tongues" has got to be just a wee bit crazy. It's not really a rational thing to do...

Watch me speak in tongues: "shaladjoo asdomnum uiy ye et et et ya balaboo shamoo et you too foo crazymofosho ching chong king kong."

I don't, and never have been able to, and while i necessarily don't agree with how you tried to play off my belief, i certainly respect it... It's not crazy at all, read Acts 2:1-12 and read this site >> http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=83

"Speaking in tongues is the only valid, external, tangible evidence in the senses realm that the internal, intangible gift of holy spirit" ~ from the above website

I'm not trying to start a religious debate but it does say in the bible that God wants his children to speak in tongues, nay, promotes it rather than discourages it

Both my father and mother speak in tongues, and my father used to be a drug addict and recently gave his life to God so take from it what you will but if someone who NEVER went to church before in his life and then gave his life to God can do it, then I have no reason to believe that it's fake. My mother, who used to be an alcoholic, gave her life to God when I was 5 and ever since the first day she was saved was able to speak in tongues when praying to God... So again, this is just my evidence for it...

Note: Mods, can you move this to IR?

[Neo]

Id rather not, I mean it might be kind of interesting as a discussion, but there isnt to much discussion going on, rather then just trolling going on.

Link it does sound kind of wierd, but if you believe in it... good for you :P

But it does seem like you may want to turn this into a religious debate, and no offense, but I really dislike encouraging such discussions, since it just ends up with people feeling bitter on all sides and goes on and on and on :/

Anyways, lets try not to let this devolve please?

-Neo

[Black.Ice]

I don't, and never have been able to, and while i necessarily don't agree with how you tried to play off my belief, i certainly respect it... It's not crazy at all, read Acts 2:1-12 and read this site >> http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=83

"Speaking in tongues is the only valid, external, tangible evidence in the senses realm that the internal, intangible gift of holy spirit" ~ from the above website

I'm not trying to start a religious debate but it does say in the bible that God wants his children to speak in tongues, nay, promotes it rather than discourages it

Both my father and mother speak in tongues, and my father used to be a drug addict and recently gave his life to God so take from it what you will but if someone who NEVER went to church before in his life and then gave his life to God can do it, then I have no reason to believe that it's fake. My mother, who used to be an alcoholic, gave her life to God when I was 5 and ever since the first day she was saved was able to speak in tongues when praying to God... So again, this is just my evidence for it...

Note: Mods, can you move this to IR?

I had a good friend in high school who went to an Evangelical Christian church, where they spoke in tongues. I went with him to church, as he had invited me countless number of times. I thought it was eerie, but it's a very interesting belief.

The only thing I hated was how they jumped down my throat and tried to covert me. I guess that happens when anyone who doesn't follow the same faith visits a religious institution.

[Mtank]

The only thing I hated was how they jumped down my throat and tried to covert me. I guess that happens when anyone who doesn't follow the same faith visits a religious institution.

I live within the campus of a Christian college. One day, many years ago, some Christian teachers invited us to a Christmas party. As soon as we got there, the doors were all shut behind us, and a four hour long Christian initiation ceremony began, and we were given copies of the bible and made to sing Christian hymns about how The lord should come and save us sinners. (There was a Hindi version too.)

Worst. Christmas. Ever. That event must surely have scarred me for life.

At any rate, I know i would have been freaked out if I found someone regularly speaking in tongues, regardless of what the bible said about it. I doubt you can plug this interpersonal problem with justification from the bible.

[Yoda]

Speaking in tongues? Do you mean saying their prayers in another language that they knew already or speaking English and it coming out in another language? This is pretty fasinating. :) However often Latin in spoken in churches, well I'm not sure about now. But some people still know some words in Latin.

Ok. People can be very serious about religion. I consider myself to be. Right now, I would not marry someone who was not Christian, or a branch of Christianity, and would have to come to some sort of arrangement if it was a different type of Christianity. I might go on a date with someone if I very much liked them who was a different religion, but I can't picture things lasting too long. It is VERY EASY for problems to come up if the two of you are different religions, even if they are both a branch of Christianity. My dad isn't very happy about me doing things with Christian groups which aren't Catholic, although he is married to someone who is an athiest.

You have to respect how your girlfriend feels... if you two are deeply in love, well then the two of you should reach some arrangement with each other. If that doesn't happen, then tough luck. However it is MUCH BETTER if problems over religion, or major problems in general, happen when you are at that stage than if you are already married.

[LinkTheGameFreak]

i don't care what anyone believes but if someone asks me to share what I believe (like they did) don't get offended and start saying I'm wrong cuz it's in the book that we both read and I can point it out and explain... the problem she had was that she was misreading the passage horribly, saying that the gift of tongues is only so people can speak other human languages, but it says it allows for someone to also speak in the language of angels, which is the most perfect way to worship God.

I just feel weird cuz I don't think I've ever spoken in tongues (when the person who is speaking in tongues is speaking they hear it in their own native language, but others around them can hear it as something else, so I don't know if I ever have or not...) yet I'm defending it because it is as real to me as this chair I'm sitting on, as I've seen it happen almost all my life

And no, I never always believed in it either, it took a long time for me to believe that it is real and to see my step father speak in tongues helped me to realize it

Speaking in tongues? Do you mean saying their prayers in another language that they knew already or speaking English and it coming out in another language? This is pretty fasinating. :) However often Latin in spoken in churches, well I'm not sure about now. But some people still know some words in Latin.

Ok. People can be very serious about religion. I consider myself to be. Right now, I would not marry someone who was not Christian, or a branch of Christianity, and would have to come to some sort of arrangement if it was a different type of Christianity. I might go on a date with someone if I very much liked them who was a different religion, but I can't picture things lasting too long. It is VERY EASY for problems to come up if the two of you are different religions, even if they are both a branch of Christianity. My dad isn't very happy about me doing things with Christian groups which aren't Catholic, although he is married to someone who is an athiest.

You have to respect how your girlfriend feels... if you two are deeply in love, well then the two of you should reach some arrangement with each other. If that doesn't happen, then tough luck. However it is MUCH BETTER if problems over religion, or major problems in general, happen when you are at that stage than if you are already married.

speaking in tongues is to speak in your own language, but people around you hear it as something else, it is interesting. My mother says that she knows when she does but she doesn't hear herself say it, she hears english.

thank you for the advice bro, and ur right that I have to respect it, because I do, but if someone misreads scripture and bases their religious beliefs on that, that can lead to real problems. As i said before, they read it as speaking only in other human languages, not as speaking the divine language of angels (in which Acts 2:1-12 says is possible)

thanks man for the support :) it's appreciated more than you will ever know

[DrawingBlanks]

I live within the campus of a Christian college. One day, many years ago, some Christian teachers invited us to a Christmas party. As soon as we got there, the doors were all shut behind us, and a four hour long Christian initiation ceremony began, and we were given copies of the bible and made to sing Christian hymns about how The lord should come and save us sinners. (There was a Hindi version too.).

...and what Christian college was this?!? Liberty University (run by nutcase Jerry Falwell)? Regent University (run by another nutcase Pat Robertson)? Bob Jones University (don't know what nutcase runs this one, but the university as a whole is certifiably one big insane asylum)?

This is on par with some of the stuff Scientology pulls...

...and, unfortunately, yes, there are some strains of Christianity in America that do exactly the same thing: "You will believe what I believe! We will spare no cost in making sure that it is done...

...even if the price is your sanity..."

[EvilEggCracker]

If she really likes you then she should get over it. Seriously, tell her to deal with it. What is the big deal anyway? "Oh I speak in a different language when i pray" "Oh you freak!"
Seriously, tell her to get a life.

[bekmeka]

if she can't accept the fact that your beliefs are different from hers, then she doesn't sound like that great of a girlfriend. people just need to learn to accept each others' different backgrounds and move on with their lives. besides, since you're both christians you should agree about most things... it seems like she's kind of getting hung up on details. you can still love someone even if you don't agree with everything they believe.

p.s. really mature, xenon.

[DragonPaladin]

How can you tell when you speak in tongues? >_>

[LinkTheGameFreak]

How can you tell when you speak in tongues? >_>

other people hear it DP :)

and to everyone else, although there are still small disagreements we are talking through them and it's really helping, so thank you for all of your concern :)

[Xenon]

p.s. really mature, xenon.

I thought I heard something, but it was just a newbie farting...

[LinkTheGameFreak]

Xenon, I've never particularly been a fan of what you have to say here and I can see why everyone else doesn't either... I came with an honest problem and asked for some advice, not criticism on the faiths that me and my gf believe.

[Xenon]

Xenon, I've never particularly been a fan of what you have to say here and I can see why everyone else doesn't either... I came with an honest problem and asked for some advice, not criticism on the faiths that me and my gf believe.

Apparently you don't read, or glossed over the advice I gave you (http://www.warboards.org/showpost.php?p=249530&postcount=15). Apart from your ridiculous and pathetic superstitions and byzantine beliefs, I did offer you some honest advice... go back and search for it if you must.

I've never been a fan of your idiocy and stupidity, your spammy ways, or your infantile commentary; but if I can swallow my distaste for your tacky clothes and moronic facial features and overlook all your other obvious flaws to offer you some advice (which you asked for) the least you could do is read it (http://www.warboards.org/showpost.php?p=249530&postcount=15).

I don't criticize you or your girlfriend for your faiths, I criticize you for your gullibility and naive outlook on the world. I guess I shouldn't expect any less from some backwater Texans though. Nothing good comes from Texas. ;)

[LinkTheGameFreak]

Apparently you don't read, or glossed over the advice I gave you (http://www.warboards.org/showpost.php?p=249530&postcount=15). Apart from your ridiculous and pathetic superstitions and byzantine beliefs, I did offer you some honest advice... go back and search for it if you must.

I've never been a fan of your idiocy and stupidity, your spammy ways, or your infantile commentary; but if I can swallow my distaste for your tacky clothes and moronic facial features and overlook all your other obvious flaws to offer you some advice (which you asked for) the least you could do is read it (http://www.warboards.org/showpost.php?p=249530&postcount=15).

I don't criticize you or your girlfriend for your faiths, I criticize you for your gullibility and naive outlook on the world. I guess I shouldn't expect any less from some backwater Texans though. Nothing good comes from Texas. ;)

I'm not from Texas, and the shirt wasn't mine so hold your tongue beofre you try to make judgements

I've not been here at WB for a long time and just recently came back, and haven't been very spammy (talk to skippy about that if you must complain)

Last, just stop posting in my thread, I've gotten nothing but shit from you lately for no good reason other than some idiotic fear on your part.

edit: I did see your advice before and it makes sense but since that point you've been offering nothing intelligent to this thread

[Xenon]

edit: I did see your advice before and it makes sense but since that point you've been offering nothing intelligent to this thread

The only thing that I've said in this thread since I gave you my advice has been a response to some newbie I never heard of before flame baiting me.

One post not addressed to you.

Go loosen your shirt buddy. I think it's cutting off circulation to your brain.

[LinkTheGameFreak]

The only thing that I've said in this thread since I gave you my advice has been a response to some newbie I never heard of before flame baiting me.

One post not addressed to you.

Go loosen your shirt buddy. I think it's cutting off circulation to your brain.

3 posts (besides the one not addressed to me, and one other giving legitimate advice which was posted AFTER the next 3 i'm about to repost)

You "speak in tongues" LTGF?

ummmm... freak...

Maybe it isn't really a religious thing. I mean, anyone who "speaks in tongues" has got to be just a wee bit crazy. It's not really a rational thing to do...

Watch me speak in tongues: "shaladjoo asdomnum uiy ye et et et ya balaboo shamoo et you too foo crazymofosho ching chong king kong."


You must be having depth perception problems because it wasn't meant to be deep.

You must ask nicely for deep.

This is a shallow problem as I see it. Stop speaking like a f*cking moron, and everything will be fine. Speaking in tongues has got to be one of the most idiotic ideas protestants ever latched on to.

It isn't supposed to be babble anyway, it's supposed to be the spirit of god moving you to speak in another language than your own. If it's god's language that you're supposed to be speaking (another thing these freaks try and tell you) then why doesn't it sound the same when two people in the same room are speaking it at the same time? Why can't we translate it?

It's basically mass-hysteria/mass-autohypnosis in which people fall into these self-induced trances and utter absolute nonsense. It's base superstition at it's best and freakish abberant behaviour at it's worst.

Get help. Seriously.

Good for her parents though. It's obvious they care about their daughter and don't want her to produce offspring with someone mentally gullible enough to believe in "speaking in tongues". Their first tip that LTGF was unsuitable should have been that ridiculous hat on his head.


Which shows exactly how much you know about the subject: next to nothing.

Apparently you didn't even follow the link that LTGF left for those who know nothing about it to follow. You should have swallowed your pride and admitted at least to yourself that you know nothing about speaking in tongues. Had you followed the link, you would know that:

"You just open your mouth and utilize the mechanics of speech, but do not speak English or any other language you know. What you will be speaking is whatever language God chooses to give you. If it is a language of men, someone somewhere on the earth (among the approximately 6000 or so dialects) could understand it. If it’s a language of angels, no one on earth would understand it."

That last sentence is a convenient catch-all phrase that every good con has which will explain away anything that isn't covered by the plausible sounding explanation clause the con gives.

You know what's REALLY like speaking out of your ass? Speaking in tongues.

so... can you for once come into a thread with the intention of offering advice first before talking out of your ass?

[Xenon]

Apparently, you don't read with comprehension.

I said; "The only thing that I've said in this thread since I gave you my advice has been a response to some newbie I never heard of before flame baiting me."

FYI: Just because you don't like my opinions that I intersperse with my advice doesn't mean it's talking out of my ass. For the most part, all of my opinions are rooted in logic and common sense.

Speaking in tongues is ridiculous. There is no evidence to support the claims that when people speak in tongues they are speaking another language. In fact, there is evidence which supports the idea that religious glossolalia (scientific term for speaking in tongues) is a manifestation of schizophrenia and is entirely made-up by the people who speak it.

From a linguistic point of view, the syllables that make up instances of glossolalia typically appear to be unpatterned reorganizations of phonemes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoneme) from the primary language of the person uttering the syllables; thus, the glossolalia of people from Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia), Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain), and Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil) all sound quite different from each other, but vaguely resemble the Russian, English, and Portuguese languages, respectively. Many linguists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguist) generally regard most glossolalia as lacking any identifiable semantics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics), syntax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntax), or morphology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphology_%28linguistics%29). Noted linguist J.R.R. Tolkien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.R.R._Tolkien) had a significant affinity in tongues since his early years and is reported that his great concern on phonoaesthetics, resulted him speaking nonsense alone, playing with sounds and phonemes and generating 'beautiful' speech.

Improvisation is exemplified also in modern music, specifically in the singing of Lisa Gerrard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Gerrard) and Elizabeth Fraser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Fraser) who also use mouth music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouth_music).

Also

From a psychological point of view, the first scientific study of glossolalia was done by psychiatrist Emil Kraepelin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Kraepelin) as part of his research into the linguistic behaviour of schizophrenic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia) patients. In 1927, G.B. Cutten published his book Speaking with tongues; historically and psychologically considered, which was regarded a standard in medical literature for many years. Like Kraepelin, he linked glossolalia to schizophrenia and hysteria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteria). In 1972, John Kildahl took a different psychological perspective in his book The Psychology of Speaking in Tongues. He stated that glossolalia was not necessarily a symptom of a mental illness and that glossolalists suffer less from stress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress). He did observe, however, that glossolalists tend to have more need of authority figures and appeared to have had more crises in their lives. Nicholas Spanos described glossolalia as an acquired ability, for which no real trance is needed (Glossolalia as Learned Behavior: An Experimental Demonstration, 1987). Also know as a simplex communication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplex_communication).




Furthermore, the major fundamental christian faiths reject the idea of modern-day glossolalia. Only the fringe sects and christian cults practice glossolalia. --Which is probably why your girlfriends parents reject you as a suitable suitor.
When the full apparatus of linguistic science comes to bear on glossolalia, this turns out to be only a facade of language -- although at times a very good one indeed. For when we comprehend what language is, we must conclude that no glossa, no matter how well constructed, is a specimen of human language, because it is neither internally organized nor systematically related to the world man perceives.

[Spartan-II]

But Xenon!

It's GOD speaking through them! Of course it's not going intelligible to humans, it's freakin' God! Humans would never understand the true complexity of a language devised by the all-mighty himself. [/sarcasm]

[LinkTheGameFreak]

Apparently, you don't read with comprehension.

I said; "The only thing that I've said in this thread since I gave you my advice has been a response to some newbie I never heard of before flame baiting me."

FYI: Just because you don't like my opinions that I intersperse with my advice doesn't mean it's talking out of my ass. For the most part, all of my opinions are rooted in logic and common sense.

Speaking in tongues is ridiculous. There is no evidence to support the claims that when people speak in tongues they are speaking another language. In fact, there is evidence which supports the idea that religious glossolalia (scientific term for speaking in tongues) is a manifestation of schizophrenia and is entirely made-up by the people who speak it.

Also

Furthermore, the major fundamental christian faiths reject the idea of modern-day glossolalia. Only the fringe sects and christian cults practice glossolalia. --Which is probably why your girlfriends parents reject you as a suitable suitor.


I've been part of one of the largest NONDENOMINATIONAL christian churches in the US (Family Christian Center in Munster, Indiana (http://familychristiancenter.org/)) and they teach on speaking in tongues so first it's not a fringe cult, and it's not just a sect if a nondenominational church teaches on it

Also, I never said it was my gf's parents that tried to get her to break up with me (her mom doesn't even know that anything even happened) the fact of the matter is that my gf values her faith above almost anything else in her life and when we looked at it we believe in almost everything the same except some little things that we had to talk about. she was just confused and made a decision out of fear

don't come here saying "Just because you don't like my opinions that I intersperse with my advice doesn't mean it's talking out of my ass." My opinions and my beliefs are as valid as yours are, yet you refuse to let me criticize you when you are doing nothing but criticizing my beliefs (ie, saying that people who speak in tongues are fucking morons, and that I don't know what I'm talking about)

btw, I read with comprehension just fine, but when you say "one post not addressed to you", it implies that you only posted twice in this thread (don't argue English language semantics with me)

[GenocideAlive]

I want some serious points. I called flamewar about 4 posts into this thread, though not using those words. If I'm not awarded my points, I will be extremely bitter.

[Xenon]

I've been part of one of the largest NONDENOMINATIONAL christian churches in the US (Family Christian Center in Munster, Indiana (http://familychristiancenter.org/)) and they teach on speaking in tongues so first it's not a fringe cult, and it's not just a sect if a nondenominational church teaches on it

All "denominations" including "non-denominational" denominations are by their very existence sects. A sect is a portion of the original which has broken off from "mainstream" or "orthodox" christianity. Protestants are a sect of christianity which broke from catholicism which in itself broke from orthodox christianity, etc. Calling yourself non-denominational doesn't mean you aren't a sect, it means you're a sect which accepts all denominations.


Also, I never said it was my gf's parents that tried to get her to break up with me (her mom doesn't even know that anything even happened) the fact of the matter is that my gf values her faith above almost anything else in her life and when we looked at it we believe in almost everything the same except some little things that we had to talk about. she was just confused and made a decision out of fear

Well please forgive me for assuming it was her parents which tried to break you two up when you alluded to that in your very first post. Sounds like you're a bit confused yourself about what is actually happening. Originally you said; "i don't know and i really like this girl but ever since her family found out last night that my family speaks in tongues when they pray (sometimes) (if you don't know what that means, this website will explain it >> http://www.truthortradition.com/mod...=article&sid=83 (http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=83))
her family got all weird about me believing that and just now she said she had to make a decision about it last night" which to me, means it's her family pressuring her. If that isn't so, cool... but YOU made it seem like it was her family's fault for your difficulties.



My opinions and my beliefs are as valid as yours are, yet you refuse to let me criticize you when you are doing nothing but criticizing my beliefs (ie, saying that people who speak in tongues are fucking morons, and that I don't know what I'm talking about)

You're welcome to your archaic beliefs in fairytales and superstition. Your opinions are as valid as anyone's opinions. I believe I know more than you do about all sides of glossolalia, but that's just my opinion, which I can only base on the vastly greater experience with glossolalia that I have. Don't worry... my parents believe in glossolalia, and practice it too... and I think they're morons for it, and have told them so.



btw, I read with comprehension just fine, but when you say "one post not addressed to you", it implies that you only posted twice in this thread (don't argue English language semantics with me)

Actually, you're taking it out of context, which is why I included the entire quote when I responded to this issue. I had made only one post not addressed to you since I offered my advice; obviously, I have since then made several more since you attacked me and my positon on glossolalia amongst other things.

[LinkTheGameFreak]

All "denominations" including "non-denominational" denominations are by their very existence sects. A sect is a portion of the original which has broken off from "mainstream" or "orthodox" christianity. Protestants are a sect of christianity which broke from catholicism which in itself broke from orthodox christianity, etc. Calling yourself non-denominational doesn't mean you aren't a sect, it means you're a sect which accepts all denominations.

Well please forgive me for assuming it was her parents which tried to break you two up when you alluded to that in your very first post. Sounds like you're a bit confused yourself about what is actually happening. Originally you said; "i don't know and i really like this girl but ever since her family found out last night that my family speaks in tongues when they pray (sometimes) (if you don't know what that means, this website will explain it >> http://www.truthortradition.com/mod...=article&sid=83 (http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=83))
her family got all weird about me believing that and just now she said she had to make a decision about it last night" which to me, means it's her family pressuring her. If that isn't so, cool... but YOU made it seem like it was her family's fault for your difficulties.

You're welcome to your archaic beliefs in fairytales and superstition. Your opinions are as valid as anyone's opinions. I believe I know more than you do about all sides of glossolalia, but that's just my opinion, which I can only base on the vastly greater experience with glossolalia that I have. Don't worry... my parents believe in glossolalia, and practice it too... and I think they're morons for it, and have told them so.

Actually, you're taking it out of context, which is why I included the entire quote when I responded to this issue. I had made only one post not addressed to you since I offered my advice; obviously, I have since then made several more since you attacked me and my positon on glossolalia amongst other things.

i was confused at first because everything happened so fast and i was trying to piece the situation together

thank you for explaining that you understand what speaking in tongues is, but how can you think that it's not a real thing if your parents even practice it.

now, the one thing I never agreed with was people who do just speak gibberish (I've met some who do that and it's not true tongues that they speak in) but pretend to - IMO they cast a bad light on it because they don't understand the truth behind it, and think it just means to, well, speak gibberish

if your parents are those kind of people i'm sorry if you think that's what i believe in, because it's not

anyways, i'm pretty sure u attacked my beliefs before i attacked yours

[Xenon]

My parents are very sincere in their beliefs, but I still see all of it as just gibberish. There is no difference in distinction to me. It's all fake.

You christians never turn the other cheek like it says to in the bible. Who cares if I attacked your beliefs? If you were a real christian, you would meekly take it and like it.

[LinkTheGameFreak]

My parents are very sincere in their beliefs, but I still see all of it as just gibberish. There is no difference in distinction to me. It's all fake.

You christians never turn the other cheek like it says to in the bible. Who cares if I attacked your beliefs? If you were a real christian, you would meekly take it and like it.

lol, I'm not the type of person to take abuse, regardless of if i'm christian or not... yeah, I know, turn the other cheek, but you can only do that so much in your life before all your cheeks become raw and bloody :(

[GenocideAlive]

I think "turn the other cheek" is one of those idealisms like "don't have negative feelings, ever". But why am I sticking my nose in this? Who knows. It's fun, though.

[LinkTheGameFreak]

it would be nice if it was completely and utterly possible to "turn the other cheek" but no one likes to be abused, either physically or verbally or emotionally... plus there are people that just love to test it which makes it even harder

[Night-Hawk]

That is just a excuse. People get tired of there bf/gf and dont kno what to say to break up with them theres ways to get rid of them but jsut very very stupid ones like this one. I think this girl is just a bitch and used you ( not in a bad way ) and I would like to get a shot at her.

[LinkTheGameFreak]

That is just a excuse. People get tired of there bf/gf and dont kno what to say to break up with them theres ways to get rid of them but jsut very very stupid ones like this one. I think this girl is just a bitch and used you ( not in a bad way ) and I would like to get a shot at her.

when i made this thread everything was really confusing and we talked and everything made more sense, but we didn't really break up, it was one of those things that happens when someone gets scared and doesn't know what to do (u have to remember that I'm her first boyfriend)

we're doing fine now and we're talking about alot of things still (so far, nothing else that we disagree on)

"it's like junking a Mercedes just because it has a broken spring" - Kathy Bates (Misery)

we agree on everything else when it comes to religion basically, just that one thing scared her because she never met someone who believes that one thing, and I can understand that, I mean, it would almost be like (to her) me saying I worship Satan (lol). because her religion is very important to her she takes it seriously so I really understand that differences are difficult for her to understand because she has been taught only one thing her entire life, but she is willing to work thru them and find common ground :)

btw, no I don't worship Satan ;)

[Night-Hawk]

u have to remember that I'm her first boyfriend

Missed that part :P well in that case shes knew to it shes ganna get along fine with you.

"it's like junking a Mercedes just because it has a broken spring" - Kathy Bates (Misery)

I wish it was like that wiht me in some of my old realtionships :(

[LinkTheGameFreak]

I wish it was like that wiht me in some of my old realtionships :(

u wish you were a mercedes? :confused:

i'm sorry that guys do that (dump a girl over something small for no reason) i used to because I would get scared easily, but it's bs and guys have have to be the MEN in their relationships; not pussies...

[Protosschick99]

You christians never turn the other cheek like it says to in the bible. Who cares if I attacked your beliefs? If you were a real christian, you would meekly take it and like it.

Not all of us are like that. Some of us actually are doers of the Word.

As for turning the other cheek--It does say to do that--And I've done that many times--But the Bible also says to use wisdom and don't be a fool. And Xenon--Just because we're Christian doesn't mean that we let ppl walk all over us :) Still pray'n for ya!

As for speaking in tongues--I wasn't gonna say anything out right--But, here I am now--Yes, you guessed it--I too am filled with the Holy Spirit and I speak in tongues. :)

Honestly, to ppl who don't understand--It seems wierd--Strange--Retarded, lolz. I know--I was once there :P But here I am now--Praying in tongues and lov'n it! The reason tongues was created is because it is a Heavenly language. It's worship between you and God and Satan can't understand it which is why there have been so many attacks on speaking in tongues for years now.

Satan is the Father of lies and he has twisted what was supposed to be one of the best tools in our walk with God ever, to making ppl think it's demonic and not of God--When in fact, it very much is :D

@ LTGF: I honestly had no clue you're Christian--Glad to have a fellow brother around! As for the situation with your gf--Honestly, she thinks that she is doing the right thing--And obviously she is being pressured from her parents....But all you can do is respect her parent's wishes because that shows that you have integrity.

Don't try to sneak around behind their backs. That would make you look disrespectful and like a shady kinda character. Someone who doesn't have integrity, isn't trustworthy, and one who obviously hasn't spent enough time in the Word to get an understanding of what courtship should be like. That's what her parents would think most likely.

So my suggestion to you--Do what the Word says. What do you feel in your Spirit? Listen to your spirit man, and trust it. Because when you don't--You'll just reap the consequences....And they SUCK, lolz. I would know.

I was in a relationship with Scorch in secret without my parents approval and man that was HARD. I wish I could go on about it more but I gotta get to bed--GN and Be Blessed! :D

[hammocksleeper]

I've been part of one of the largest NONDENOMINATIONAL christian churches in the US (Family Christian Center in Munster, Indiana (http://familychristiancenter.org/))

Wow, you have "Mime Troupe" and "Motorcycle" ministries. :o

[LinkTheGameFreak]

hey PC, I was hoping you would post in this thread sooner or later :)

I've always been Christian, just never have tried to be a practicing one (although I've been reading more of the Bible for answers lately and trying to get the most out of church with my gf :)

It mostly came about when I left for college and started looking at what I believed in rather than feel pressure from my family to attend church with them, so I took a few months off (although I wanted to go to a church here in the town my college is in, I didn't want to go alone) so when my gf invited me to her church I kinda jumped at the chance (a little reluctant at first) and have been going at least once a week for the past month :) baby steps, yes, but still progress

well so everyone will know, we didn't break up (as i've been trying to tell everyone for the past few pages lol) but the scare was real and we had to work thru some things about our faiths and realized that we're not too different at all, we have the same core beliefs, so how come it can't work? so we're going to do our best to find common ground by reading scripture on things we disagree on (besides the tongues thing, we haven't found anything yet besides that she doesn't think a woman should get remarried and I think a woman should)

on a separate note, PC, what is your position on that (remarrying)? should a person be allowed to? is it written that both divorce and remarriage are not condoned?

also to PC - you said tongues was created to worship God so Satan cannot understand; I was taught this and can't find it in the Bible. Also, if Satan was Lucifer, and used to praise God in the language of Angels (which is heavenly tongues) then why wouldn't Satan be able to understand? These atre just questions I haven't been able to have answered and maybe you can help me out here, thanx PC :)

Have a good night PC and thanx for the message :)

Wow, you have "Mime Troupe" and "Motorcycle" ministries. :o

yeah the motorcycle ministry is a group for bikers who became Christians, the guys are actually really cool (Steve Munsey, the pastor, is a weekend biker too :D)

Mime troupe is new I guess, I haven't been to the church in months cuz of college

[Xenon]

As for speaking in tongues--I wasn't gonna say anything out right--But, here I am now--Yes, you guessed it--I too am filled with the Holy Spirit and I speak in tongues. :)

Honestly, to ppl who don't understand--It seems wierd--Strange--Retarded, lolz. I know--I was once there :P But here I am now--Praying in tongues and lov'n it! The reason tongues was created is because it is a Heavenly language. It's worship between you and God and Satan can't understand it which is why there have been so many attacks on speaking in tongues for years now.

Proof? Evidence? Got any? Didn't think so.

That is not what it says in the Bible, so how did you come to this amazing explanation?


Satan is the Father of lies and he has twisted what was supposed to be one of the best tools in our walk with God ever, to making ppl think it's demonic and not of God--When in fact, it very much is :D

According to just about every "expert" I can find on the subject of biblical glossolalia (speaking in tongues) it is a "gift of god" and not a "tool". There is no practical use for this "gift" because allegedly only God can understand it. It isn't a tool. The only practical use it has is to allegedly show whom is a true born-again christian and whom is not, and this is not even biblical which is probably the reason that mainstream christianity has no acceptance of this abberant and freakish behaviour.




I was in a relationship with Scorch in secret without my parents approval and man that was HARD.

I bet it was. Young man, in his prime. Hard indeed.


I wish I could go on about it more but I gotta get to bed--GN and Be Blessed! :D

Interesting how you have to go to bed as soon as you start reminiscing about Scorch. Don't forget... you can go blind...

[GenocideAlive]

The reason tongues was created is because it is a Heavenly language. It's worship between you and God and Satan can't understand it which is why there have been so many attacks on speaking in tongues for years now.

Satan is the Father of lies and he has twisted what was supposed to be one of the best tools in our walk with God ever, to making ppl think it's demonic and not of God--When in fact, it very much is
This is some of the dumbest, unrefined bullshit I've ever read. Seriously, it's like reading from a fucking bedtime story you'd read to a 5 year old to get him to shut up about "why" we do the things we do.

"Super bad guy is doing super bad stuff, and super good guy wants to keep you safe and well! Just play ball with super good guy and super bad guy is helpless! Makes him seem like a super cardboard character in a super fucking stupid story, I know! But it so real, you could go to the pit of fire and pain and not happy and hurt and owtch lolz!"

PC, while I try to respect your beliefs, I find you to be one of the most manipulative people I've ever seen with "the Christian word". You twist and distort basic Christian ideals into whatever suits you, whether or not it has a basis in actual Christian mythology. If someone questions it or calls you on your inaccuracies, you fall back into your victimized "I'm-more-Christian-than-you" mode. "God's word" is written in "the Bible", not what you make up from moment to moment.
I was in a relationship with Scorch in secret without my parents approval and man that was HARD. I wish I could go on about it more but I gotta get to bed--GN and Be Blessed!
Yes, thinking for yourself can be hard. But don't get discouraged, it pays off when you can live without needing to fabricate what Jesus is saying to defend your overwhelming, oppressive insecurities.

[Xenon]

This is some of the dumbest, unrefined bullshit I've ever read. Seriously, it's like reading from a fucking bedtime story you'd read to a 5 year old to get him to shut up.

"Super bad guy is doing super bad stuff, and super good guy wants to keep you safe and well! Just play ball with super good guy and super bad guy is helpless! Makes him seem like a super cardboard character in a super fucking stupid story, I know! But it so real, you could go to the pit of fire and pain and not happy and hurt and owtch lolz!"

PC, while I try to respect your beliefs, I find you to be one of the most manipulative people I've ever seen with "the Christian word". You twist and distort basic Christian ideals into whatever suits you from moment to moment, whether or not it has a basis in actual Christian mythology. If someone questions it or calls you on your inaccuracies, you fall back into your victimized "I'm-more-Christian-than-you" mode. "God's word" is written in "the Bible", not what you make up from moment to moment.

Yes, thinking for yourself can be hard. But don't get discouraged, it pays off when you can live moment to moment without needing to make up what Jesus is saying to defend your overwhelming, oppressive insecurities.

LOL.

Now that was a good read! haha! :D

[Kingscrab]

LOL.

Now that was a good read! haha! :D *smirk* May I second that emotion? :2cents:

[Protosschick99]

hey PC, I was hoping you would post in this thread sooner or later

I've always been Christian, just never have tried to be a practicing one (although I've been reading more of the Bible for answers lately and trying to get the most out of church with my gf

It mostly came about when I left for college and started looking at what I believed in rather than feel pressure from my family to attend church with them, so I took a few months off (although I wanted to go to a church here in the town my college is in, I didn't want to go alone) so when my gf invited me to her church I kinda jumped at the chance (a little reluctant at first) and have been going at least once a week for the past month baby steps, yes, but still progress

well so everyone will know, we didn't break up (as i've been trying to tell everyone for the past few pages lol) but the scare was real and we had to work thru some things about our faiths and realized that we're not too different at all, we have the same core beliefs, so how come it can't work? so we're going to do our best to find common ground by reading scripture on things we disagree on (besides the tongues thing, we haven't found anything yet besides that she doesn't think a woman should get remarried and I think a woman should)

on a separate note, PC, what is your position on that (remarrying)? should a person be allowed to? is it written that both divorce and remarriage are not condoned?

also to PC - you said tongues was created to worship God so Satan cannot understand; I was taught this and can't find it in the Bible. Also, if Satan was Lucifer, and used to praise God in the language of Angels (which is heavenly tongues) then why wouldn't Satan be able to understand? These atre just questions I haven't been able to have answered and maybe you can help me out here, thanx PC

Have a good night PC and thanx for the message

Wow, you got lots of questions! lolz--I will gladly answer them all. The first one I'll start on is remarriage. If you don't know this by now (Which I hope you do) I'll just tell you--My parents are divorced and both are re-married.

God can take something that was not supposed to happen and use it for good. Divorce isn't easy, it seriously effects everyone within the family. I am still going through the after effects of my parents divorce when I was 7 and I am now 20. And let me tell you it hasn't been some awesome picnic, lolz.

Which it is very imperative that we marry right the first time--Because our future children are at stake. You know what? I'm gonna continue this in a PM--I feel in my spirit that I need to. I'll write you more later tonight after work alrighty? :D

*Lotsa hugz* Be blessed!

This is some of the dumbest, unrefined bullshit I've ever read. Seriously, it's like reading from a fucking bedtime story you'd read to a 5 year old to get him to shut up about "why" we do the things we do.

"Super bad guy is doing super bad stuff, and super good guy wants to keep you safe and well! Just play ball with super good guy and super bad guy is helpless! Makes him seem like a super cardboard character in a super fucking stupid story, I know! But it so real, you could go to the pit of fire and pain and not happy and hurt and owtch lolz!"

PC, while I try to respect your beliefs, I find you to be one of the most manipulative people I've ever seen with "the Christian word". You twist and distort basic Christian ideals into whatever suits you, whether or not it has a basis in actual Christian mythology. If someone questions it or calls you on your inaccuracies, you fall back into your victimized "I'm-more-Christian-than-you" mode. "God's word" is written in "the Bible", not what you make up from moment to moment.

Wow this is such a wonderful post Genocide! This is actually one of the first times I've ever been called manipulative. Umm--Just to let you know, I know what you are referring to--That whole TPing my drum instructor's truck with my best friend right?

Well, I was actually thinking about this the other day--And I think it's time I told you guys that--My best friend and my drum instructor were bf and gf at the time. Yeah it's wierd--She was 22 and he's 39 (She just turned 23 last week) which is why it was not an OMG jaw dropping I can't believe you did that event.

He wasn't offended, and you all have to remember--To me, tping somebody's car isn't something that we consider bad down here. I'm not trying to stir up that whole drama again, I'm just trying to let ya'llz know what was thought about it. Look, I know there was a whole "controversy" or whatever because you all believe that I was wrong. Well, just remember that everybody does not think like you. We all are different and we all have based what we think is right or wrong by our surroundings. I've seen pplz cars get TP'd so much growing up to where down here in Southern Cali--We just accept it and laugh. It's a common thing down here and something considered innocent when done to close friends.

Please don't start flaming me on this I'm just seriously trying to explain this to you guys in a respectful manner.

As for my walk with God--Yes I proclaim it everywhere--And when have I pointed the finger at someone saying I'm better than them? I don't ever remember doing that. I've never told ya'llz that you're gonna burn in hell, I've never sat here and typed "OMG FORNICATOR'S!!! UR GONNA BU|2N IN H3LL!!!!!!!111" or said "TURN OR BURN!!!!1111135" or "You guys suck cuz you don't believe in Jesus" or "I hate you all cuz you don't believe in God!!" or "HEATHENS!!!!!! YOU ALL SHALL BURN!!!!!!!"

Why? Because that's not me! That's not of God either. I seriously don't wanna start drama with you. It seems to me like you are trying to get me mad or something--I just wanna get along but you keep on pointing the finger--Can we seriously just get along?

Yes, thinking for yourself can be hard. But don't get discouraged, it pays off when you can live without needing to fabricate what Jesus is saying to defend your overwhelming, oppressive insecurities.

I do not have insecurities GA. I don't know where you got those ideas from :P

[GenocideAlive]

This is actually one of the first times I've ever been called manipulative. Umm--Just to let you know, I know what you are referring to--That whole TPing my drum instructor's truck with my best friend right?
No, the whole "stating your opinion and prefacing it with 'I spoke to God and He said...'". As though you are suddenly being used to act as God's interpreter and he coincidentally sides with you on every instance that you don't admit wrongdoing. I hate to bring it to you, but that job has been spoken for:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051212/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

If you'll read about halfway down the page, you'll note that these extremists (who were mos def around before you got saved) already claim to speak for God. And God says to kill people if they don't listen. So if you love God, you'll do what these people say.

If you claim that they're not speaking for God, clearly you don't walk with God and you're just pissed off because they're closer to God than you are. Satan, the Father of Lies, is smearing their public image with Devil Western Media and making those that don't truly walk with God persecute them.

Have a nice day untangling your own web! lolz :) :D :P

Edit: I'm not trying to make you angry. I'm simply putting my feelings into words, which are coincidentally irritated feelings. I can only take so much of using religious dogma to shield one from responsibility and annexing religious figures to lend onesself credibility. You don't speak for Jesus, and to even suggest that you do is a viscious blasphemy to even the most casual Christian. Don't you think there are other people who swear up and down that Jesus talks to them too? What do you say when "Jesus" disagrees to the both of you?

Besides, "Time to see a psychologist about schizophrenia".

[Xenon]

It reminds me of the guy in the insane assylum: "How can YOU be Napoleon, when I'M Napoleon??!~!"

[Protosschick99]

No, the whole "stating your opinion and prefacing it with 'I spoke to God and He said...'".

Look homie, I don't lie. I would never lie about something like this either.

As though you are suddenly being used to act as God's interpreter and he coincidentally sides with you on every instance that you don't admit wrongdoing. I hate to bring it to you, but that job has been spoken for:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051212/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

If you'll read about halfway down the page, you'll note that these extremists (who were mos def around before you got saved) already claim to speak for God. And God says to kill people if they don't listen. So if you love God, you'll do what these people say.

Okay first off--God has not told me to kill anybody and He never will because all this "God told me to kill them!" is not of God.

If you claim that they're not speaking for God, clearly you don't walk with God and you're just pissed off because they're closer to God than you are. Satan, the Father of Lies, is smearing their public image with Devil Western Media and making those that don't truly walk with God persecute them.

Have a nice day untangling your own web! lolz :) :D :P

Secondly, you are saying that islamic ppl have the correct version of the Gospel of Jesus Christ when in fact--You know what--Never mind.

I have a relationship with God. I know I do--And I am in love with Him. And when you are in a relationship, there is communication between the both of you. I'm not mad at these ppl because they seem to be closer to God than me--I feel sorry for them. Because they've got so much drama where they live and that sucks! :(

There is a difference between hearing from God and actually hearing what your imagination makes up. I know what is God and what isn't.

Edit: I'm not trying to make you angry. I'm simply putting my feelings into words, which are coincidentally irritated feelings. I can only take so much of using religious dogma to shield one from responsibility and annexing religious figures to lend onesself credibility. You don't speak for Jesus, and to even suggest that you do is a viscious blasphemy to even the most casual Christian. Don't you think there are other people who swear up and down that Jesus talks to them too? What do you say when "Jesus" disagrees to the both of you?

Besides, "Time to see a psychologist about schizophrenia".

I understand where you are coming from Genocide. It's such a shame though that we've been arguing back and forth, I'd like to be homies without the drama, lolz. :)

But as for me speaking for Jesus--There are certain times where God will in fact speak through me. And then there are times where God is speaking to me to let me know something. And then there are those times where the prophet of God who is anointed to speak for God says things that shall come to pass.

As you go deeper and deeper into the religion of Christianity, there are all sorts of things you'll learn about where God speaks is concerned :)

You know Genocide, I just wanna say I'm not a ppl pleaser, I'm a God pleaser--So if ppl get mad at me because of what I say--Oh well, God is more important to me than man. Which is why I usually get dogged on for my beliefs :P

[Xenon]

I think I'm gonna vomit. Get help PChick. Professional psychiatric help. You're exhibiting all of the classical paranoid schizophrenic tendencies.

[Protosschick99]

Schizophrenic?

LOLZ!!! I am faaaar from that :P

Still pray'n for ya Xenon! :D

[GenocideAlive]

Look homie, I don't lie. I would never lie about something like this either.
Look homie, read what I wrote. I didn't say you were lying, I said you were speaking for Jesus. I didn't remember any passages in the Bible that said "Listen up, I'm going to talk to PC from Taco Bell when I have something important to lay down". I remember passages about "false prophets."
Secondly, you are saying that islamic ppl have the correct version of the Gospel of Jesus Christ when in fact--You know what--Never mind.
HOLY SHIT! Where did I say "Islamic people have the correct version of the Gospel of Jesus Christ"? Are you speaking for Jesus and ME now too? Who DON'T you speak for? Do you stop your preacher/pastor midsentence? "Hey--sorry to interrupt, guy, but Jesus says this is getting boring and that you need to move it along to the part where we sing about loving Jesus all night."
I have a relationship with God. I know I do--And I am in love with Him. And when you are in a relationship, there is communication between the both of you. I'm not mad at these ppl because they seem to be closer to God than me--I feel sorry for them. Because they've got so much drama where they live and that sucks!
I can almost assure you that their condescending feelings are mutual. And I hate to break it to you, but any time that you're in danger of losing your immortal soul to an eternity of torture for disagreeing with your 2000 year old dead friend, you're not in a fucking "relationship". That's called "paranoid delusional schizophrenia", or "wacked out paranormal hostage situation".
There is a difference between hearing from God and actually hearing what your imagination makes up. I know what is God and what isn't.
Yeah, so do those Islamic people. And the Son of Sam. And people who bomb abortion clinics with people inside. Glad you guys are all cocky and smug knowing that YOU know the TRUE definition of what "GOD" is saying. It's so comforting to know that Taco Bell workers, homicidal maniacs, megalomaniacs, preachers, pastors, televangelists, and still others all know the word of God, no matter how utterly conflicting, impossible, and intellectually bankrupt.

By the way, your imagination makes up God, you poor sick fuck.

P.S. I'm still down for being homies. In my pants.

[LinkTheGameFreak]

Look homie, read what I wrote. I didn't say you were lying, I said you were speaking for Jesus. I didn't remember any passages in the Bible that said "Listen up, I'm going to talk to PC from Taco Bell when I have something important to lay down". I remember passages about "false prophets."
God works thru unseeming people (think King David, Moses, and Paul/Saul)

HOLY SHIT! Where did I say "Islamic people have the correct version of the Gospel of Jesus Christ"? Are you speaking for Jesus and ME now too? Who DON'T you speak for? Do you stop your preacher/pastor midsentence? "Hey--sorry to interrupt, guy, but Jesus says this is getting boring and that you need to move it along to the part where we sing about loving Jesus all night."
you did point to the article, comparing PC's beliefs to that, which is not what she represents... and yeah, there are people at my old church who would say they had a word from God and would stop the preacher midsentence sometimes

I can almost assure you that their condescending feelings are mutual. And I hate to break it to you, but any time that you're in danger of losing your immortal soul to an eternity of torture for disagreeing with your 2000 year old dead friend, you're not in a fucking "relationship". That's called "paranoid delusional schizophrenia", or "wacked out paranormal hostage situation".
Dead? Christ is alive and well my brother...

Yeah, so do those Islamic people. And the Son of Sam. And people who bomb abortion clinics with people inside. Glad you guys are all cocky and smug knowing that YOU know the TRUE definition of what "GOD" is saying. It's so comforting to know that Taco Bell workers, homicidal maniacs, megalomaniacs, preachers, pastors, televangelists, and still others all know the word of God, no matter how utterly conflicting, impossible, and intellectually bankrupt.
very nice comparing PC to people who have been told their entire life that the US is the great Satan, people who were so drugged up they couldn't find their own feet, and the people who think the way to show others about God's love is thru murder of those who don't follow the word of God

I pity those people cuz they've been fed nothing but lies...

By the way, your imagination makes up God, you poor sick fuck.
you have your opinion and we have ours bro... and i can tell ur running out of ideas

P.S. I'm still down for being homies. In my pants.
that was uncalled for.

[Xenon]

Honestly PC99, you sound a bit brainwashed.

[Kaervek]

"Speaking in tongues is the only valid, external, tangible evidence in the senses realm that the internal, intangible gift of holy spirit"
[...]but how can you think that it's not a real thing if your parents even practice it?

My good, dead and insightful friends has something to say, so let me be the mouthpiece:

When...a man gets pleasure from the belief that he has been redeemed from sin, it is not necessary for him to be actually sinful, but merely to feel sinful. But if faith is thus exalted above everything else, it necessarily follows that reason, knowledge and inquiry have to be discredited: the road to the truth becomes a forbidden road.

You see, your parents don't actually need to be "speaking in tongues," they just need to believe that they are. It's what gives them purpose and substantiates their belief.

[GenocideAlive]

I pity those people cuz they've been fed nothing but lies...
FINALLY, something we can agree on. Oop--wait. I'm including you in that. :)

[Protosschick99]

Look homie, read what I wrote. I didn't say you were lying, I said you were speaking for Jesus. I didn't remember any passages in the Bible that said "Listen up, I'm going to talk to PC from Taco Bell when I have something important to lay down". I remember passages about "false prophets."

HOLY ****! Where did I say "Islamic people have the correct version of the Gospel of Jesus Christ"? Are you speaking for Jesus and ME now too? Who DON'T you speak for? Do you stop your preacher/pastor midsentence? "Hey--sorry to interrupt, guy, but Jesus says this is getting boring and that you need to move it along to the part where we sing about loving Jesus all night."

I can almost assure you that their condescending feelings are mutual. And I hate to break it to you, but any time that you're in danger of losing your immortal soul to an eternity of torture for disagreeing with your 2000 year old dead friend, you're not in a ****ing "relationship". That's called "paranoid delusional schizophrenia", or "wacked out paranormal hostage situation".

Yeah, so do those Islamic people. And the Son of Sam. And people who bomb abortion clinics with people inside. Glad you guys are all cocky and smug knowing that YOU know the TRUE definition of what "GOD" is saying. It's so comforting to know that Taco Bell workers, homicidal maniacs, megalomaniacs, preachers, pastors, televangelists, and still others all know the word of God, no matter how utterly conflicting, impossible, and intellectually bankrupt.

By the way, your imagination makes up God, you poor sick ****.

P.S. I'm still down for being homies. In my pants.

I'm not gonna fight with you anymore. It's stupid and pointless. And what a gentleman you are, calling me names--Good job.

As for getting on topic--I know what it's like to break up with someone because of religious differences. It's hard and I've done it more than once :( Both times it broke my heart. But it had to be done. That's all I'll say in public, the rest goes to LTGF :)

[LinkTheGameFreak]

I'm not gonna fight with you anymore. It's stupid and pointless. And what a gentleman you are, calling me names--Good job.

As for getting on topic--I know what it's like to break up with someone because of religious differences. It's hard and I've done it more than once :( Both times it broke my heart. But it had to be done. That's all I'll say in public, the rest goes to LTGF :)

thanks Pchicky :)

I'm still up doing math :(

[Valjean]

This is still open? O_o

[LinkTheGameFreak]

This is still open? O_o
yeah :( pretty sad, huh?

[GenocideAlive]

In my defense, I attempted to have this thread locked by around the 3rd page. I was ignored, and inevitably someone offended my personal religious beliefs, at which point I waded into the fray. That's when some other people got offended. I figure if you can dish it, you can take it. Maybe a little clandestine, but strikes a chord in the mind of even the simplest of creatures.

[LinkTheGameFreak]

In my defense, I attempted to have this thread locked by around the 3rd page. I was ignored, and inevitably someone offended my personal religious beliefs, at which point I waded into the fray. That's when some other people got offended. I figure if you can dish it, you can take it. Maybe a little clandestine, but strikes a chord in the mind of even the simplest of creatures.

well, i don't mean to be caustic here, but I feel the same about how some people portrayed my religious beliefs... If it was me who offended you GA, I apologize, but this thread got out of hand with whoever decided to start discussing why christianity is bad or wrong or w/e rather than the main problem I posed (the relationship thing)

edit: incidentally this happened only 2 replies into the thread with Xenon:
You "speak in tongues" LTGF?



ummmm... freak...



Maybe it isn't really a religious thing. I mean, anyone who "speaks in tongues" has got to be just a wee bit crazy. It's not really a rational thing to do...



Watch me speak in tongues: "shaladjoo asdomnum uiy ye et et et ya balaboo shamoo et you too foo crazymofosho ching chong king kong."

[Mr.Bad]

icidentally, i dont see why every1 has to fight about this. i personally think that it is a very stupid and irational think to speak in tongues but LTGF only asked for help not criticism now it would be very nice if someone locked this thread by now and possibly better, deleted it so as to avoid future trouble. there was no need for 8 pages of pure crap when there was only a simple question asked by a fellow WB member.

[GenocideAlive]

well, i don't mean to be caustic here, but I feel the same about how some people portrayed my religious beliefs... If it was me who offended you GA
I'm fairly certain you never brought your beliefs into questions, nor was it ever the topic, so I can see what you're saying there. And just FYI, no it wasn't you that cheesed me.

[hammocksleeper]

Wow, I think it's great theat we're all able to reflect on what went wrong in this thread.

[Valjean]

Can't we all just apologize in here and then close this thread? Less spam that way...>.>

[Mr.Bad]

that would work too

[LinkTheGameFreak]

I'll start:

To anyone who I might have offended by making light of their personal beliefs, I'm sorry :(

[Mr.Bad]

im sorryto any1 i might have offended by saying that this thread was screwed and should be closed or deleted. furthermore, if i offended any1 by saying that people should apologize then i am sorry for that as well(lol)

[Xenon]

I'm not sorry for anything I said in this thread. No one can make me back down from my beliefs, especially not some touchy-feely pseudo-psychoanalysis or feelgoodisms.

[Mr.Bad]

xenon you should be sorry for offending some1. it doesnt matter what you think, when you have your say then simply help to respond to the question there is no need to continually critisize people for having diferent beleifs than you.

[LinkTheGameFreak]

xenon you should be sorry for offending some1. it doesnt matter what you think, when you have your say then simply help to respond to the question there is no need to continually critisize people for having diferent beleifs than you.

I agree, I mean I don't really care either way what someone else thinks, but if they respond only to criticize before offering good advice, there's no real need for that

[GenocideAlive]

I'm not sorry...that Xenon's such an asshole! ahahahahaha! :)

Seriously folks, it got a little out of hand. Nobody imply that Satan motivates my beliefs :shiftyl: , and I can keep a cork on it (in re: religious issues) OK? Great.

Kumbaya. :P

[Xenon]

But I'm not sorry, so why should I say that I am?

[LinkTheGameFreak]

But I'm not sorry, so why should I say that I am?

well don't say anything then, no one cares if you apologize or not, but in all honesty this thread turned into a flame war and it might be a good idea to acknowledge that people were offended and to maybe make an effort to fix that.

You can do as you want Xenon, but the bottom line is that I know I might have said something to offend someone so I'm taking this opportunity to apologize.

[Protosschick99]

Wow we all kissed and made up! High five :)

[LinkTheGameFreak]

Wow we all kissed and made up! High five :)
*claps* HAHAHAHAHA :| heya PC :D

[Protosschick99]

Still work'n on your PM Link :)

[LinkTheGameFreak]

ok :) I can't wait to read it :D

[KexMex]

Umm, might be off topic, but sorry for laughing while reading this thread. :(

[Protosschick99]

Why was it funny? I'm honestly wondering :)

[LinkTheGameFreak]

Umm, might be off topic, but sorry for laughing while reading this thread. :(

if you want to know what the second quote is referring to, read this >> http://www.warboards.org/showthread.php?p=52762&highlight=english#post52762

[KexMex]

Why was it funny? I'm honestly wondering :)

I dunno, I was buzzing through the thread and I find myself with a smile and a giggle, and soon a small laugh. Dunno why, honestly. :(

I wasn't hearing anybody say anything funny, nobody tickled me, etc. I just read the thread and laughed at it.

[GenocideAlive]

But I'm not sorry, so why should I say that I am?
Nobody said you had to say you're sorry. In regard to what everybody else is doing, if you don't know, I seriously doubt it could even be explained to you.

[hammocksleeper]

ho hum....