View Full Version : We're number one!
Morkeliph
11-21-2005, 6:15 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4456288.stm
That's right, the good ole' US-of-A kicked Korea's trash, finally!
Well, kicked their trash is an overstatement, but still, don't burn that flag just yet, let it wave proudly for at least one more day!
Hooray?
Meanwhile the rest of the world is eating our lunch in education.
/glass half empty
Lol Nuts...
Tradeoff? good at games, bad with education?
Interesting, I would've thought that Koreans would come out on top. Unless of course we moved the top players to the us so it would look like we are the best...? ><!
-Neo
Sikawtic
11-21-2005, 7:09 PM
Video games have many educational values, many of which are not addressed in the school setting.
And this is a gaming forum...
Dem koreans still pwnjorize us in teh SC. Must refine builds more....
Stonehand
11-21-2005, 10:05 PM
There are two thing videogames do to people that are helpful: Hand-Eye cooridination, and turning beings into better people!
GenocideAlive
11-22-2005, 11:10 AM
Whoa, Grubby lost? I'm really starting to question that guy's skillZ. Everybody keeps saying he's close-to-if-not-the-best in the world. Obviously, he's not.
I'm not too worried about us falling behind in schooling, though...we have some of the best Universities in the world. As far as elementary schools, etc. I don't really care. Everyday Americans don't WANT two tons of education; most are desperate to get out the moment they get in.
I'm not too worried about us falling behind in schooling, though...we have some of the best Universities in the world.
The difference being that University students desire education, whereas K-12 is required of most every child, demonstrating the obvious lack of education given to our overall population. Much blame lies at home, but a fair amount rests with the system itself.
As far as elementary schools, etc. I don't really care. Everyday Americans don't WANT two tons of education; most are desperate to get out the moment they get in.
Which would seem to be a symptom of the problem, wouldn't you say?
Don't get me wrong, I'm fairly certain that many of our top gamers are also quite proficient in their studies, as such skill often requires a keen intellect. My point is that it's a sad commentary when we're ranked #1 in something so trivial as gaming, when our country ranks so badly in areas that I would deem much more important.
GrassDragon
11-22-2005, 11:52 AM
I was talking about something along these lines with my dad last night. He said 43% of kids that go to a Texas state sponsored school have to take at least one remedial course. Remedial courses are not highschool courses taken again, those go towards an Associates degree. Remedial courses are the same as junior-high courses. Granted, Texas is pretty low on the list for best public school system, but it's a sad state in any case.
I agree with Nuts; parents are in part to blame, but I think most of the blame should rest on the system. Sub-standard teachers, corrupt administrators, and a system that caters to not only just achieving average, but purposefully lowering the average over time to make it "easier" for students.
Spartan-II
11-22-2005, 7:08 PM
I think school is important, but we shouldn't shove learning down the chilluns throats. I like to learn, I look things up MYSELF. I make the commitment to turn in my work, to look up extra things, and be an over-all good student. (This year anyway. :D) I blame the children in the schools, not the schools. :/
I think school is important, but we shouldn't shove learning down the chilluns throats. I like to learn, I look things up MYSELF. I make the commitment to turn in my work, to look up extra things, and be an over-all good student. (This year anyway. :D) I blame the children in the schools, not the schools. :/
See thats what the all want us to believe. Its the childs fault, they arent motivated, etc...
Well thats a load of bullshit. The system needs to be changed, it hasn't changed much since it started a couple hundred years ago... -_-
-Neo
I'm not too worried about us falling behind in schooling, though...we have some of the best Universities in the world. As far as elementary schools, etc. I don't really care. Everyday Americans don't WANT two tons of education; most are desperate to get out the moment they get in.
I would be, having a couple of world class uni's isnt much good if everyone cocks up at secondary school and doesnt get the grades now is it.
In a decades time that cold be an abolute bastard you know.
I support corporal punishment in schools..not the most poplular thing to say, but if I had got the cane every time I failed to hand something in I wouldnt be doing a foundation course right now. Ergo, I DO blame the system, for not using such a method.
cue the "Children-have-the-right-to-not-be-punished-when-they-do-wrong-they-should-be-spoilt-little-shits" argument
TinyDancer
11-22-2005, 9:00 PM
What does the discussion of our (mine, Modred's, and GD's) state's remedial school system have to do with the US winning the gaming crown?
USA FTW!
Buggery Squit.
The fact remains.......without education, winning videogames is the ONLY thing you will have to be proud of.
Spartan-II
11-22-2005, 9:08 PM
I'm sorry Neo, so you bame the establishment?
Fuck the establishment. Students are only as good as they want to be. If you're an achiever, good job. If you're not, McDonalds pays a few hundred bucks a month. It's true we don't have the best school systems, (Mostly because of money..) but instead of saying, "Why aren't my children learning? It must be the schools fault!" We should look at the kids. We're spoiled little shits, and i'm willing to admit that. I know alot of people who are intelligent enough to be Doctors, Lawyers, CEO's, and many other important things. But instead, they choose to talk to their friends and fuck around. I admit, having a well funded and well prepared school system would help, but we need people to be motivated.
I agree with Singo. If you beat the little shit when they do something wrong, they sure as hell aren't going to do it again. (Unless thay're a masochist or something.)
My rant for today!
~ Vote Spartan!
I admit, having a well funded and well prepared school system would help, but we need people to be motivated.
Money has nothing to do with it.
The United States spends more money on education that any country in the world, yet we rank 21st in mathematics for example. Children can only get motivation if the soceity and the system changes. Our culture no longer values education as a primary way of life, instead we are given some dog and pony show that gives false hope to millions of Americans that they too might be Sam Walton one day. I'm a firm believer in the American dream, but to think that you can accomplish much of anything without an education is foolish.
*Sam Walton was the proprietor of Wal-Mart.
Toucan
11-23-2005, 1:31 AM
Spending more money on education than any other country in the world is a silly point Nuts, you have one of the largest populations in the world, so obviously more money is needed than any other nation.
Whats important is how much is spent PER child in that system, if there is not enough to get EVERY child, every book they need and every rescource they need, then there is not enough.
By your point that the USA need not spend any more on education, I assume that what you are saying to us is that every child in the USA has access to every resource they need, each has a computer on there school desk and go's to school in a clean safe place.
Whiteknight
11-23-2005, 1:41 AM
What are you talking about, Nuts, gaming is much more important than education or health care! Who needs a future if you're able to win something based in another reality?
I'm sorry Neo, so you bame the establishment?
Fuck the establishment. Students are only as good as they want to be. If you're an achiever, good job. If you're not, McDonalds pays a few hundred bucks a month. It's true we don't have the best school systems, (Mostly because of money..) but instead of saying, "Why aren't my children learning? It must be the schools fault!" We should look at the kids. We're spoiled little shits, and i'm willing to admit that. I know alot of people who are intelligent enough to be Doctors, Lawyers, CEO's, and many other important things. But instead, they choose to talk to their friends and fuck around. I admit, having a well funded and well prepared school system would help, but we need people to be motivated.
I agree with Singo. If you beat the little shit when they do something wrong, they sure as hell aren't going to do it again. (Unless thay're a masochist or something.)
My rant for today!
~ Vote Spartan!
The problem doesnt lie with the children then, mostly with the parents. AJ and I can rant all you like about that if you want.
The fact that kids don't care, or have very little interest in education is only one facet of the problem. There was this book awhile back I skimmed through that basically tore down the education system, explained why it was fucked up, etc...
Parents treat school as a daycare system nowadays.
-Neo
Spending more money on education than any other country in the world is a silly point Nuts, you have one of the largest populations in the world, so obviously more money is needed than any other nation.
Let me clarify. Both total dollars and percentage of GDP spent on education is larger than any other nation in the world. As I'm certain you know, the GDP measurement compensates for the size of the country and population.
By your point that the USA need not spend any more on education, I assume that what you are saying to us is that every child in the USA has access to every resource they need, each has a computer on there school desk and go's to school in a clean safe place.
What I'm saying is that other countries have better ecucated children for less money. It wasn't until the last 30 years that our schools started wasting millions of dollars on Gymnasiums, Stadiums and designer classrooms. There's a problem with our system and it's not money.
What are you talking about, Nuts, gaming is much more important than education or health care! Who needs a future if you're able to win something based in another reality?
I know, leave it to me to dwell on such petty issues. ;)
Parents treat school as a daycare system nowadays.
-Neo
BINGO!
KexMex
11-23-2005, 9:35 AM
Meeeeeeh, I thought you won something interesting.
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