Pandas

[JoeShark]

Reading everything you jerks (not all of you, very specific yous infact) have said about the expansion and the new races makes me sick. All you do is complain because your agree about what the expansion is going to be like before it even sees light. So now i'm going to tell you why you annoy me.

Blizzard makes good story lines and they keep getting more complex but they are not changing the events (other than Medivh being a good guy in WC3, that confused the crap out of me). If the blood elves are in the horde they will try to give it a good reason (example: the alliance won't take 'em). If that's not a good enough reason than why are the Forsaken in the horde?

If blizzard makes the pandarens a race that is cool w/ me. If you don't like 'em don't be 'em. And i know they were a joke but they were a really good joke. Pandaren do make sense in the alliance because they are more socially realated to dwarves and humans than barbaric angry orcs and trolls.

Originally when i thought about an expansion i thought (goblins - horde, high elves - alliance) but when they said blood elves - horde logically pandarens came to mind. And if people like them so much then what's wrong w/ letting a guy be his favorite race. That's the only reason they through in forsaken and gnomes.

If you hate blizzard so much than why do you buy their products and play their games and if you're going to complain than do it quietly and to yourself.

And one last thing the game is not about a storyline or what makes sense, it's about having fun. That's why you PLAY GAMES. Pandarens and blood elves are just fun things they could include in the game.

[Aqo]

Joe, you're contradicting yourself, you say games are not about the storyline - which as you said, is good - they're about having fun; and it's just that some people don't think it's fun having Blood Elves on the Horde - despite it makes sense - because, as much as they're a cool race, they just don't fit the Horde.

Oh, and orcs & trolls aint barbaric, read the manual.

[kongurous]

Not our fault Blizzard contradicts themselves in the storyline. It seems the geography of the world changes in every Warcraft game, and Blizzard doesn't keep good notes, it seems. Want proof? Read your warcraft 3 manual. It says there were 5 Old Gods. The warcraft history on worldofwarcraft.com says there were four gods. How did they lose a god? We'll never know. The Blackrock Spire was destroyed in Warcraft 2. How do I know? It said "destroy the Blackrock Spire" in the friggen mission objectives. The Blackrock Spire, bearing that in mind, must have been an orcish structure cus its hard as hell to bring down a volcano. Now, explain to me how it got rebuilt as a volcano, with a fire god in it, and it somehow suddenly becomes a former Dark Iron Dwarf city? That's funny. Really funny.

[killer-penguin]

Hi, my name is killer-penguin
well no its not but on this forum it shall be

I'm going to shoot down your arguement now.
Reading everything you jerks (not all of you, very specific yous infact) have said about the expansion and the new races makes me sick. All you do is complain because your agree about what the expansion is going to be like before it even sees light. So now i'm going to tell you why you annoy me.
Let me tell you why you annoy me. We're SPECULATING, that's what you do when you don't know exactly whats going to happen. We wonder what the new race is going to be, we wonder how the instances are going to be, we wonder about a lot of things hence this is a WOW DISCUSSION FORUM. If you want a WOW APPRECIATION FORUM hit alt-f4 and it'll bring up the special menu for it.
Blizzard makes good story lines and they keep getting more complex but they are not changing the events (other than Medivh being a good guy in WC3, that confused the crap out of me). If the blood elves are in the horde they will try to give it a good reason (example: the alliance won't take 'em). If that's not a good enough reason than why are the Forsaken in the horde?


Shut up, shut up, shut up and go read the storyline.
If blizzard makes the pandarens a race that is cool w/ me. If you don't like 'em don't be 'em. And i know they were a joke but they were a really good joke. Pandaren do make sense in the alliance because they are more socially realated to dwarves and humans than barbaric angry orcs and trolls.


They don't make sense for EITHER race BECAUSE they were a joke. Next thing you know the horde are going to have that huge penguin that was an easter egg in the expansion as yet ANOTHER race.

Originally when i thought about an expansion i thought (goblins - horde, high elves - alliance) but when they said blood elves - horde logically pandarens came to mind. And if people like them so much then what's wrong w/ letting a guy be his favorite race. That's the only reason they through in forsaken and gnomes.


Dranei makes oh so much more sense from an alliance standpoint. Just think it through I know you'll get it. ESPECIALLY when you think that Kael had a Pandaren on his side in the frozen throne.

If you hate blizzard so much than why do you buy their products and play their games and if you're going to complain than do it quietly and to yourself.

You kind sir, are an idiot. So if you don't like something you suggest we just deal with it? Wait, we are, we're discussing the things we don't like. And if we REALLY don't like it, we'll go in game and we'll pm a gm and tell them about it. Or we'll email a dev. This is what consumers do.

And one last thing the game is not about a storyline or what makes sense, it's about having fun. That's why you PLAY GAMES. Pandarens and blood elves are just fun things they could include in the game.

This is not just a game. It's a ROLE PLAYING GAME. Which means you play a ROLE in a storyline. Hence the story must make some semblance of SENSE or else your just running around farming for gold like every other chinese guy on the server.



And now I'll sum this up for you:

First: You sir, frankly suck
Second: Your points are pointless
Third: Now if you'd like to discuss this instead of coming in and throwing insults I'd be HAPPY to talk it over nicely.

Have a great day :)

[Graeme]

I know this seems kind of futile as the seeds have already been sown, but try to keep things friendly guys :).

Note: JoeShark - NEVER open a thread by insulting people that you've never talked to before (re: 1 post). It's flame bait, plain and simple, and it ruins any argument you may have had in the post.

Edit: Oh yeah, the pandaren will definitely <not> be a race in WoW. They're a purely neutral race.

[JoeShark]

I think the blood elves better fit the horde than the alliance. They would make sense neutral...
Looking back on it i was angry because it looked like you were complaining about things that hadn't happened yet (and penguin: you specifically said you would give up on blizzard if they made pandarens a race, that made me angry).

it did sound like i contradicted myself but i think blizzard does make good storylines AND you are supposed to focus on the fun side of roleplaying.

Pandarens are fun.

if you want someone to talk peacefully you don't calm them down by calling them an idiot.

if you can tell me a really good reason why the horde (orcs, tauren, and trolls) would accept the forsaken and not the blood elves than i will shut up and sit quietly.

[kongurous]

it did sound like i contradicted myself but i think blizzard does make good storylines

Continuity is your friend.

[killer-penguin]

if you want someone to talk peacefully you don't calm them down by calling them an idiot.
Reading everything you jerks


Cause and effect ;).

*Takes a deep breath.*

if you can tell me a really good reason why the horde (orcs, tauren, and trolls) would accept the forsaken and not the blood elves than i will shut up and sit quietly.
First of all, the Horde is clearly aware of the difference between the Forsaken and the Scourge, the latter of which the Horde has battled in the past, and as such knows that the Forsaken are not mindless killers, but instead believe them to be (and rightly so) tortured souls afflicted with a debilitating condition not at all unlike the Orcs� former demonic curse. Playing upon this knowledge, the Forsaken have used the premise of desperately seeking a cure for their affliction to mask their true purposes. So, although they are plotting evil, the Horde is not at all aware of it. They do not fully trust the Forsaken, but many � such as The Earthen Ring, the advisory council within the Horde � believe the Forsaken to be seeking redemption.

Furthermore, the Forsaken and the Horde share an enemy in the Alliance, while not being enemies themselves. As such, the Horde has gained an ally against its enemies by accepting the Forsaken into its ranks. And in war, an new, powerful ally is nothing to discard lightly. After all, did not the two most polar ideologies of the 20th century � the National Socialists and the Soviet Union � sign a non-aggression pact at the opening of World War 2 to stand up against the Western democracies of France and England? Although they later went to war, it is not so unusual for peoples which may normally never consider alliances to become allies in times of desperation.

As well, the Forsaken do not live on Kalimdor with the rest of the Horde races. Instead, they live in Lordaeron. So, it isn�t like the Horde races are living together with the Forsaken. While they will get Forsaken visitors frequently, there are few if any Forsaken settlements on Kalimdor, and as such, the races likely do not have very frequent contact with each other outside the battlefield. This is a very important factor to consider when analyzing the political situation within the Horde; with the Forsaken being across the ocean, on a wholly separate continent, the rest of the Horde likely feels much more secure about allying with them, as they are at no risk of any military betrayal from the Forsaken. The Forsaken can't launch a surprise attack against them, and yet are right next door to the core of the Alliance's forces � all in all, the other Horde races have gained, if nothing else, something to relieve some Alliance pressure off of themselves.

To reiterate, the Horde on the whole does not trust the Forsaken. They know they�re undead, and probably can tell they�re not the most benevolent individuals, but because of their situation, and because the Earthen Ring put in their blessings, both Thrall and Cairn agreed to accept the Forsaken as a part of the Horde. So while they are allied, it is an uneasy alliance to be sure. They had everything to gain by making the agreement with Sylvanas, and nothing to lose by accepting it.


As far as me quitting if the Pandarens become a playable race other then something completely and utterly neutral. I will. I would be fine if they made it a neutral race. But fortunately they won't be doing that.

Instead so far (as of recent leaks) there is news of a 'tiger headed' race coming out. We'll see how true this is. And I'm still thinking dranei but again could be dead wrong.

[JoeShark]

tiger people would be weird. Draenei would make sense or high elves but they probably won't make high elves a race since there are already night & blood elves.

[Seal]

if you didnt know, the Furbolg model has got new emote animations lately. hinting? :>

[JoeShark]

if you didnt know, the Furbolg model has got new emote animations lately. hinting? :>

where did you get that from? That would be kind of cool and it would make sense for an alliance race.

[kongurous]

where did you get that from? That would be kind of cool and it would make sense for an alliance race.

How would it make sense? The Furbolgs are corrupt. Only the Timbermaw, I think, are still untainted, but even they are hostile to outsiders.

[Geno]

How would it make sense? The Furbolgs are corrupt. Only the Timbermaw, I think, are still untainted, but even they are hostile to outsiders.

If I'm not mistaken, some of the quests involving the druids and alliance both involve cleansing the Furbolgs and allowing them to help. There are friendly ones, but they're hard to find from what I'm told.

Beside the point: Someone said that the Goblin emotes were really sketchy at the beginning of the Hallow's Eve celebration, although near the end, someone said it looked fine. Maybe they were working on that? Who knows. Personally I doubt it, although a couple people in my clan think otherwise... >.<

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

[kongurous]

If I'm not mistaken, some of the quests involving the druids and alliance both involve cleansing the Furbolgs and allowing them to help. There are friendly ones, but they're hard to find from what I'm told.

I know that, but I doubt Furbolgs will be the new race. And as for the tiger-headed race, those leaks may be false.

Until Blizzard makes an official announcement, I'm not gonna believe anything on here about a new alliance race. Anyone who is wise would do the same.

[killer-penguin]

I know that, but I doubt Furbolgs will be the new race. And as for the tiger-headed race, those leaks may be false.

Until Blizzard makes an official announcement, I'm not gonna believe anything on here about a new alliance race. Anyone who is wise would do the same.

I fully agree. I didn't even believe Bloodelf until blizzard released patch notes.

[Aqo]

http://img500.imageshack.us/img500/1725/tbcspoiler6fr.jpg

:D

[kongurous]

Ha ha, nice one, Aqo.

[killer-penguin]

classic =D

[JoeShark]

If I'm not mistaken, some of the quests involving the druids and alliance both involve cleansing the Furbolgs and allowing them to help. There are friendly ones, but they're hard to find from what I'm told.

Beside the point: Someone said that the Goblin emotes were really sketchy at the beginning of the Hallow's Eve celebration, although near the end, someone said it looked fine. Maybe they were working on that? Who knows. Personally I doubt it, although a couple people in my clan think otherwise... >.<

~Larry "Geno" Meyers

I doubt Furbolgs will be a new race too. I would bet money that pandarens are going to be a race in it. It is an incredably entertaining race. So many people like em i cant see blizzard refusing to make them a race.

[Aqo]

Except, Blizzard had already said on the US WoW forums that Pandarean will never become a playable race... which only leaves Fulborgs and Dark Dwarves. Fulborgs because the few ones that are not corrupted are allied with the NE (which can actually resemble BE... they are also only a few that are left of their whole race, and they mainly join the Horde because of Sylvanas (Undead resemble NE)).
Dark dwarves, hell knows why, but someone on the US forums came up with a theory and Blizzard posted a Dark dwarve picture on blizz.com some weeks ago.

skippy & killer-penguin, glad to hear you like it, it took me like five hours making... eh, I mean, raiding Blizzard's HQ and quickly taking this pic before I was cought. :D

[Seal]

wc3 graphics ftw

[Toucan]

All I can say is thank god Blizzard has said it WON"T be Pandas.



Putting my personnel theory in, I think it will be a Halfling race for sure, I'm hoping for an Alliance allied race of Taureans, which would be cool.

Witch you have to admit, wouldn’t be any stranger than Blood Elves allied with Horde.

[Incantrix]

Not our fault Blizzard contradicts themselves in the storyline. It seems the geography of the world changes in every Warcraft game, and Blizzard doesn't keep good notes, it seems. Want proof? Read your warcraft 3 manual. It says there were 5 Old Gods. The warcraft history on worldofwarcraft.com says there were four gods. How did they lose a god? We'll never know. The Blackrock Spire was destroyed in Warcraft 2. How do I know? It said "destroy the Blackrock Spire" in the friggen mission objectives. The Blackrock Spire, bearing that in mind, must have been an orcish structure cus its hard as hell to bring down a volcano. Now, explain to me how it got rebuilt as a volcano, with a fire god in it, and it somehow suddenly becomes a former Dark Iron Dwarf city? That's funny. Really funny.

I don't think Blizzard knew just how popular warcraft was going to be. Also, I don't think a footman is a fourth the size of a farm, the way it is in War2. They didn't design the levels to be geographically correct. If they had done that it would have been much easier to beat the levels. Check out the final level in the standard human compaign in War2. The portal is surrounded by a perfect circle of water to make the last level insanely difficult, not to propel the story.

[kongurous]

I don't think Blizzard knew just how popular warcraft was going to be. Also, I don't think a footman is a fourth the size of a farm, the way it is in War2. They didn't design the levels to be geographically correct. If they had done that it would have been much easier to beat the levels. Check out the final level in the standard human compaign in War2. The portal is surrounded by a perfect circle of water to make the last level insanely difficult, not to propel the story.

That isn't what I meant. What I mean is, Durotar somehow turned into a peninsula from Warcraft 3 to World of Warcraft, the Eastern Kingdoms got fatter, the Dark Portal was moved, the Redridge Mountains got farther away from Stormwind, Lordaeron got thinner, Lordamere Lake got smaller, Kharazan is somehow still standing and it was supposed to be in the Black Morass, aka, Blasted Lands.

http://www.blizzarduniverse.net/extras/azeroth.jpg Eastern Kingdoms in Warcraft 2

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Eastern-kingdoms-map-small-warcraft.jpg Eastern Kingdoms in World of Warcraft

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Azeroth-world-map-warcraft1.jpg Stormwind and Elwynn in Warcraft 1

http://www.worldofwconline.com/gallery/albums/maps/Elwynn.sized.jpg Stormwind and Elwynn in World of Warcraft

[Incantrix]

Ouchies. I bow before your wow. And those first two maps are almost terrifying in how disproportionate they are. I don't think that can even be explained by backstage work by the burning legion.

[EvilEggCracker]

Yeah,but obviously their gonna have to switch the terrain about a bit, after all, it is an MMORPG. Its hard to fit that all in.Espeacially in a world that wasn`t designed to be an MMORPG.

[Seal]

still you must remember that the old maps of Earth look kind of weird when compared to modern ones (the world hasnt changed during that time anyhow); why the WarCraft maps from Azeroth cannot suffer from the same problem? ;)

[kongurous]

still you must remember that the old maps of Earth look kind of weird when compared to modern ones (the world hasnt changed during that time anyhow); why the WarCraft maps from Azeroth cannot suffer from the same problem? ;)


Because Blizzard isn't the kind of company to do something like that. Chris Metzen can't really decide on a universal image, look at all his drawings of Orgrim Doomhammer.

Ouchies. I bow before your wow. And those first two maps are almost terrifying in how disproportionate they are. I don't think that can even be explained by backstage work by the burning legion.

Thank you, kind sir. I can, and will, reinforce the fact I will beat you in a Warcraft trivia fight.

[Incantrix]

Hmmm, trivia... that gives me an idea for a new post... =D