Diplomacy - Fenguin Open (Terminated)

[Fenguin]

Just announcing that I will be starting a Diplomacy game as soon as the first Diplomacy is over. :) This Diplo, entitled "Symmachia," is a variant located in Ancient Greece at about 500 BC. Hehehe. ;)

I'm not going to show y'all the map until I finalize what each player starts out with. I'll just tell you that *several people* have seen the map already and know where it is located [on the Internet]. Lalala. ;)

EDIT: Guess what this is. http://c.feng.home.comcast.net/diplo.gif :D

People who want to play
1. Werewolf91
2. OboeGuru
3. ChairsSobD
4. ShadowCrusader
5. Subjukator
6. BlackHawk
7. Cygnus
8. Me [or not :p]

[BlackHawk]

Yea you might want to wait until the first is over. We don't want so many going on at once. But once the first is over you should be fine :).

[Valjean]

ooo!

*reserves spot in diplo game*

[OboeGuru]

I'm special and know where the map is. :D
BTW, it is teh pwn.
EDIT: Or it could just be posted for all to see... *shrug*

And I totally reserve a seat in this game. I've seen this grow up from it's infancy, it's like I'm it's uncle! Hehehehe...

You're just a Diplo whore, aren't you Werewolf??? ;)

[Valjean]

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....no?...

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[ChairsSobD]

Against all odds, I shall join.

Yes, I am a diplo whore! :)

[ShadowCrusader]

Ohh.. Add me please..

[Subjukator]

I am definitely in this diplo game :)

Just some questions that'll probably need clearing up anyway.

For the supply center of Euboea (its NW of Athens), do I need to use a fleet to get there by first going to Sciathos or Gulf of Helena and then go to Euboea OR could I just use an army/fleet to simply move there such as: A Thebes-Euboea

Another question too, this one slightly different. In the upper right corner in Byzantium, the supply center Helles is both an ocean AND a land province that connects to both land (Abydos, Troy, Aen, Lamp, Cyzicus) and to the various seas around it.

Can I use a fleet to enter this supply center from anywhere or could I also do say move an army from the province of Lamp to Helles?

Or (I just thought of this and it probably seemes more obvious) is it just the supply center Abydos in a wierd position? I think it is... ah well, plz just clarify anyways... (damn't! it probably is and I just wasted 10 minutes...)

[BlackHawk]

In.

(Diplo Whore #2 :D).

[OboeGuru]

For the supply center of Euboea (its NW of Athens), do I need to use a fleet to get there by first going to Sciathos or Gulf of Helena and then go to Euboea OR could I just use an army/fleet to simply move there such as: A Thebes-Euboea

Another question too, this one slightly different. In the upper right corner in Byzantium, the supply center Helles is both an ocean AND a land province that connects to both land (Abydos, Troy, Aen, Lamp, Cyzicus) and to the various seas around it.

Can I use a fleet to enter this supply center from anywhere or could I also do say move an army from the province of Lamp to Helles?

Or (I just thought of this and it probably seemes more obvious) is it just the supply center Abydos in a wierd position? I think it is... ah well, plz just clarify anyways... (damn't! it probably is and I just wasted 10 minutes...)
You have to go to a body of water first.

That SC is part of Abydos.

You wasted 5 of my minutes, give them back!!!!!

[Subjukator]

Lets just start anyways. That game is almost over with only three major players. And we have enough here that aren't in a lot of other diplo games.

Lets say orders due next Wednesday? That means post player's countries today or tommorow and the map as well.

[OboeGuru]

Feng, if you need a second game, I volunteer to GM it.

So everybody keep expressing interest!!! :D

[Fenguin]

Or should I GM both... ;)

[Modred]

The purpose of not having many games going at once is to prevent certain persons from being in several games, allowing more people to play and thus the community will grow, which will in turn allow us to run more games at once. Posting that "I will host a game when..." and allowing people to sign up ahead of time is not following this principle, and we will eventually come to a standstill like we did at BF. Notice that if you head over to BF, there is only ONE diplo game running. In our three (now four) games, people such as Sub, BH, Oboe, and others are in every game, or at least three of the four.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but we are heading down the same path as before.

[OboeGuru]

Hmm... good point Modred.

If a newbie to Diplo here wants a spot in this game, I will give mine up, and I suggest that Werewolf and BlackHawk take a similar stance. I think Sub's fine since his last few games haven't been too successful, this can be his good game. ;)

I'll participate as a mentor or as impartial GM if I get booted. I think we should start getting into the habit of having non-player GMs.

[Fenguin]

Yeah, good points, Modred.

But notice I never said anything about signing up. :D The list on the first post is just people who have expressed interest.

Also, I'm still waiting for a certain Mark L to show up. ;)

[BlackHawk]

Hmm... good point Modred.

If a newbie to Diplo here wants a spot in this game, I will give mine up, and I suggest that Werewolf and BlackHawk take a similar stance. I think Sub's fine since his last few games haven't been too successful, this can be his good game. ;)

I'll participate as a mentor or as impartial GM if I get booted. I think we should start getting into the habit of having non-player GMs.

I agree if anyone wants to get in this (i.e. PC or someone) when the time comes, I can give up mine if someone that wants to learn how to play wants to join.

[Cygnus]

I'll fill in the last slot if I could. Or... I could GM it for you so you could play yourself!

Either way's fun for me. :-)

[Cygnus]

BTW, aren't there only 7 slots since their are seven countries you can play?

[Fenguin]

Again,
The list on the first post is just people who have expressed interest.
They aren't "slots" to fill up. The list is just a list to see who wants to play and whether we need a second game or not. :D

[BlackHawk]

Again,

They aren't "slots" to fill up. The list is just a list to see who wants to play and whether we need a second game or not. :D

Cygnus, I believe Fenguin isn't starting this game right now, but waiting until the first is done, then playing. And the "slots" are just there so that he can see who has expressed an interest in playing so he can ask those willing to play if they still wish to when he does start it. Correct me if I'm wrong Fengy.

[Cygnus]

Cygnus, I believe Fenguin isn't starting this game right now, but waiting until the first is done, then playing. And the "slots" are just there so that he can see who has expressed an interest in playing so he can ask those willing to play if they still wish to when he does start it. Correct me if I'm wrong Fengy.
Yes, I was slightly confused but I believe by what he is implying that he wishes to create two games. Something that isn't exactly being promoted since we want five games or less going on at once.

[Fenguin]

Cygnus, I believe Fenguin isn't starting this game right now, but waiting until the first is done, then playing. And the "slots" are just there so that he can see who has expressed an interest in playing so he can ask those willing to play if they still wish to when he does start it. Correct me if I'm wrong Fengy.
You're absolutely right. :D

By the way, you have been promoted to "favorite slave" above you-know-who. ;)

[Subjukator]

My euthuisam ebbs away ever so slightly by the delay :(

[OboeGuru]

I vote we start one game of this, and put another one in queue.

Fengy, care to get us going?

And after all I've done, how come I'm suddenly not your favorite slave??? :cry:

[Subjukator]

Dude, just start the game already. We're only the fifth game...

[Fenguin]

I'm assuming that everyone on the queue still wants to play. In that case...

I'll just be GMing this game. Orders are due Wednesday night at 8:00 PM.

Nation list:
Werewolf91 - Sparta
OboeGuru - Athens
ChairsSobD - Byzantium
ShadowCrusader - Macedonia
Subjukator - Crete
BlackHawk - Thessaly
Cygnus - Persia

Map:
http://c.feng.home.comcast.net/diplo.gif

Remember, orders are due Wednesday. :D

[Subjukator]

*Drool*

"OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!! Me=Love for Diplo!!"

Alliances offered to Persia, Thessaly, and Sparta with a NAP to Athens.

Orders PM'ed

[BlackHawk]

Thesely offers an NAP to: Macedonia and Athens.

And an Alliance with Sparta. Alliance with Crete is accepted.

Btw, this should be a good game, w00t. Also, Fengy what year is it? And should we use T instead of F, and L instead of A?

[Subjukator]

I justed used A and F. Unless theres a big issue and everyone else uses L and T, I'll alter my next orders accordingly

[Valjean]

I'm gonna use F and A or else I get confused. O_o

[OboeGuru]

I'm too cool for A and F so I'm gonna use L and T. :)

Athens offers a NAP to Sparta and accepts Crete's and Thessaly's NAPs.

Athens - Updated

T Athens -> Gulf of Helena
L Thebes -> Charonia
L Corinth -> Argos

- - - - -

BlackHawk, here's the year:
This Diplo, entitled "Symmachia," is a variant located in Ancient Greece at about 500 BC.

[Fenguin]

You can use both. But I prefer "A" and "F" so I don't get confused. ;)

[Cygnus]

Persia accepts Crete's alliance offer and also extends proposals of alliance to Macedonia, Athens, and Sparta. As well as an NAP to Byzantium.

Orders will be PMed later tonight.

[Modred]

Ooh....pretty map...

[BlackHawk]

Ooh....pretty map...

I know eh? It's gonna be good.

Orders shall be in tonight, or tommorow at the latest.

Btw, thanks Oboe.

[Fenguin]

Remember orders are due tomorrow night. If you don't submit them, I'll eat all your candy! :D

[Valjean]

um, eww? O_o

[Fenguin]

Why are there sick connotations for every word?! :(

[Valjean]

because I'm 12? :p

[ShadowCrusader]

OOC:Sorry to say, I do not know much of Macedonia except Aristotle escaped to it and it was conquered many times over. Other then that, I know it is on the fringe of Greece. If you could get me a link, it would be very helpful. If anything this is the first thing I will do.

IC:

-Offers Alliance to Thessaly and Byzantium.

[Fenguin]

OOC: Here's a link for learning about Macedonia: http://www.makedonija.info/ancient.html. But there really isn't much to know about Macedonia, except that 1) it's my favorite Greek city-state (for undisclosed reasons) and 2) led by Alexander the Great, the Macedonians took over much of Greece and Asia Minor. After Alexander died, the kingdom was split between his generals, who squabbled over them. One of the generals was Ptolemy, who was an ancestor of Cleopatra. ;)

[BlackHawk]

OOC:Sorry to say, I do not know much of Macedonia except Aristotle escaped to it and it was conquered many times over. Other then that, I know it is on the fringe of Greece. If you could get me a link, it would be very helpful. If anything this is the first thing I will do.

IC:

-Offers Alliance to Thessaly and Byzantium.

Just so that you know (correct me if I'm wrong, of course) but it appears you think this is a game of BF Politics. Because there is no real reason to learn about Macedonia, though it could be interesting :).

Either way, Alliance accepted :).

[Cygnus]

Actually perhaps he learns about the nations he plays. Games like these can help you learn about the past by making you want to understand the world your nation and it's people existed, and how you must play in it.

[Subjukator]

Finally!! The day has come when the map will be posted!!!

[Fenguin]

I'm still missing orders from Byzantium (Bird) and Macedonia (ShadowCrusader). Remember they're due today! Let's set the deadline to... oh... 9:00 PM Warboards time. :D

[BlackHawk]

ShadowCrusader, if you don't know how to play and that's why you haven't submitted your orders yet, I recomend this (http://ry4an.org/diptutor/) tutorial, it's where I learned to play.

[ShadowCrusader]

Thank you Black. I have Diplomacy, but I didn't know I actually had to do all the orders and stuff here. Quite Intriguing and thus has my eye.

[BlackHawk]

NP Shadow, btw, Fengy, how many SC's must one get to win this game? Is it 18 like normal Diplo? Or less / more?

[Cygnus]

How many SCs are there in this variant?

[OboeGuru]

39 SCs total, so 20 to win.

[Fenguin]

Fenguin Open - Spring 499 BC

Summary
Athens and Sparta clash over Argos.
Persia and Crete entangle on Asia Minor.
Macedonia and Byzantium don't want to move. :(

Moves
Athens [OboeGuru]
F Athens -> Gulf of Helena
A Thebes -> Charonia
A Corinth -> Argos Bounce

Byzantium [ChairsSobD]
NO ORDERS

Crete [Subjukator]
A Peraea-Mylasa
F Halicarnassus-Lygian Sea
F Gortyna-East Cretian Sea
F Cydonia-West Cretian Sea

Macedonia [ShadowCrusader]
Hold everything.

Persia [Cygnus]
A Phila-Colossae
A Saradis-Ilydia
F Smyr-Ionian Sea

Sparta [Werewolf91]
F Mes -> Gulf of Lac
A Meg -> Arc
A Spa -> Arg Bounce

Thessaly [BlackHawk]
F Amphi - Araxus
A Phar - Tem
A Ambracia - Chaonia

Map
http://c.feng.home.comcast.net/diplo2.gif

Next orders due Saturday.

[BlackHawk]

Are Were's units just going to hold now, until he is finally knocked out and done with? Or are we going to get a replacement?

[OboeGuru]

Unless a replacement comes before orders, we should keep playing through while his units hold position. It's the only fair thing for the rest of us.

A replacement could really jump in at any time with Fenguin's approval.

[Whiteknight]

(OOC: Ahem, I'll do it :))

[OboeGuru]

I don't think there would be any objection.

This early in the game, it's kind of pointless NOT to replace Werewolf.

[Cygnus]

Agreed, the earlier and quicker the better.

[Subjukator]

Good. We still got alliance right?

Announcement fresh from Cretan King: Crete claims Nax and Miletus! (hope thats OK Sparta and Persia?)

[Cygnus]

Sounds grand. EDIT:

BTW Fenguin, if you have two day or so deadlines could you wait until late Monday night, preferably Tuesday because I'm going to see relatives.

[Fenguin]

Hehe, Whiteknight can take control of Werewolf, as long as he's away. ;)

Also, if no one else has any objections, deadlines are now Monday night. Cygnus, try to get them in by then; if not, I'll wait until Tuesday :)

[Whiteknight]

Uh, could someone tell me if I have any alliances or NAPS with anyone else? I'll check over all the posts again, but I didn't really see anything...

EDIT: Didn't see anything, so if it was PMed, PM me.

Sparta proposes an alliance with Crete and Macedonia.

[Cygnus]

Persia wishes to recreate it's alliance with Sparta's new leaders.

[Subjukator]

Hehe, Whiteknight can take control of Werewolf, as long as he's away. ;)

Also, if no one else has any objections, deadlines are now Monday night. Cygnus, try to get them in by then; if not, I'll wait until Tuesday :)

Ummm, Cygnus, just put in your orders NOW and then it'll be OK... its only the first year too, pretty basic moves...

[BlackHawk]

Fengy, did I give you my Fall orders? I keep fogetting...lol. If not I'll PM them later today.

[Fenguin]

Fengy, did I give you my Fall orders? I keep fogetting...lol. If not I'll PM them later today.
Nope! :D

[Whiteknight]

The New Sparta accepts the alliance with Persia.

Judging by Sub's post, I assume Sparta and Crete have an alliance, right? Tell me before I submit orders.

[Subjukator]

Yea we do. And plz don't bounce me cause I'm moving into the SW Aegean Sea this fall turn thx :)

Also, did Cygnus send his orders yet? If he did, post the new map tonight plz.

[OboeGuru]

New Sparta: Will you accept the (old) proposed NAP with Athens?

[Cygnus]

My orders have been in since the day I left.

[BlackHawk]

Mappage!

[Whiteknight]

Sparta will not recieve a NAP of Athens.

Sparta proposes and alliance with Thessaly

Orders are being sent by PM. I can't find the E4E4E4 thing. Just the RGB thing.

EDIT: Orders sent.

[Fenguin]

Yo, still need orders from Bird and ShadowCrusader. :( Byzantium and Macedonia aren't getting anywhere... :(

[BlackHawk]

Sparta will not recieve a NAP of Athens.

Sparta proposes and alliance with Thessaly

Orders are being sent by PM. I can't find the E4E4E4 thing. Just the RGB thing.

EDIT: Orders sent.

Alliance accepted.

[Subjukator]

Sparta will not recieve a NAP of Athens.

Sparta proposes and alliance with Thessaly

Orders are being sent by PM. I can't find the E4E4E4 thing. Just the RGB thing.

EDIT: Orders sent.

Its [color=#E4E4E4] and then you have the [ /color] at the end without the space between the bracket and the dash.

You also don't need to add the pound (#) symbol either when doing it.

[Whiteknight]

Ohhhhh...... Okay, I get it now. Put it in the box. Okay, got it.

See, I told you I got it :)

Hm, I don't like spelling colour the americanized way. Not used to it.

[Subjukator]

So this map...

[BlackHawk]

So this map...

...would be nice...:D.

Fengy?

[Fenguin]

Bird forgot to send it in again. :(

Fall 499 BC
Summary
Byzantium doesn't do anything again. Maybe he's asleep. :) Macedonia moves one unit and gains a SC.
The rest are engaged in a land-grab. Persia steals some land from Crete. Thessaly grows bigger and bigger...


Moves
Athens
A Charonia HOLD
A Corinth -> Sicy
F Gulf of Helena -> Euboea

Byzantium
NONE

Crete
F West Cretian Sea-SW Aegean Sea
F East Cretian Sea-North Cretian Sea
F Lygian Sea-Rhod
A Mylasa-Miletus

Macedonia
A Pella -> Illyria

Persia
A Colossae-Peraea
A Ilydia-Ephe
F Ionian Sea-Chi

Sparta
F Gulf of Laconia - Hydrean Sea
A Arcadia - Olympia
A Sparta - Arcadia

Thessaly
A Tem HOLD
A Chaonia - Appollonia
F Araxus - Delphi


Builds/Retreats/Disbands
Athens: 2/0/0
Sparta: 1/0/0
Thessaly: 3/0/0
Macedonia: 1/0/0
Byzantium: 0/0/0
Persia: 3/0/0
Crete: 1/0/0


Map
http://c.feng.home.comcast.net/diplo3.gif

Orders due Friday :D

[Subjukator]

Backstabbing Cygnus...

Orders due Friday hopefully?

[Fenguin]

Woops. Forgot to include the due date.
I guess it's Friday then, if it's OK with everyone. :)

[BlackHawk]

Thurs! Sooner the better! :).

[Subjukator]

Thurs! Sooner the better! :).

I agree! We DO have to make up for lost time you know ;)

[BlackHawk]

Of course, Thurs it is :). And Fengy, be a little less merciful this time ;).

Now that I said that I'll probably be late with my orders knowing my luck...:D.

[OboeGuru]

Since when was the due date decided by the players?

This is a dictatorship, you are mere peons!

;)

[BlackHawk]

It's the movement, join the bandwagon!

[Whiteknight]

Chants, "ThursDAY, ThursDAY, THursDAY," on and on.

[Subjukator]

Well, with the way the last map was delayed by OOOOO... THREE days, we might as well make it next Monday. Heck, why don't we just allow the GM to decide, well, whenever he feels like it. [/End Cynical]

[OboeGuru]

Fenguin's been designing a small site in PHP from scratch for the past few days.

I'm sure he'd appreciate it if everybody just turned in orders ASAP, and disregarded a due date.

He'll make the map (or delegate me to do it :p) once all the orders are in.
By the way:Woops. Forgot to include the due date.
I guess it's Friday then, if it's OK with everyone. :)

[Cygnus]

All goes according to... plans.

[Fenguin]

Well, with the way the last map was delayed by OOOOO... THREE days, we might as well make it next Monday. Heck, why don't we just allow the GM to decide, well, whenever he feels like it. [/End Cynical]
It's funny, cuz look:
http://www.warboards.org/showpost.php?p=30453&postcount=60

I clearly said the orders would be due Monday night, if not later.
I made the map Tuesday afternoon at 3:30 (right after school), as early as I could possibly make it, since I was busy Monday night.
So what the freak are you talking about? :\

EDIT: I only have orders from two people. Send them in soon! :D

[Subjukator]

I don't feel like bursting your bubble BUT....

Also, if no one else has any objections, deadlines are now Monday night. Cygnus, try to get them in by then; if not, I'll wait until Tuesday

THIS one was posted on April 10 (post #60) for future orders for Fall 499 BC, the map of which is post #78.

Woops. Forgot to include the due date.
I guess it's Friday then, if it's OK with everyone.

This was posted on April 13 (post #80) for the future orders of Spring 498 BC FOLLOWING the previous Fall turn of 499 BC

You see, you clearly did NOT say it, for what you have posted above in your post was an OLDER due date NOT the current one we will be turning in.

You have just been owned by a member.

+ 1 Me
-1 You

:)

[Fenguin]

I don't feel like bursting your bubble BUT....



THIS one was posted on April 10 (post #60) for future orders for Fall 499 BC, the map of which is post #78.



This was posted on April 13 (post #80) for the future orders of Spring 498 BC FOLLOWING the previous Fall turn of 499 BC

You see, you clearly did NOT say it, for what you have posted above in your post was an OLDER due date NOT the current one we will be turning in.

You have just been owned by a member.

+ 1 Me
-1 You

:)
Um... no... what the freak are you talking about?

Let's see... when I posted the "orders are now due monday" thing, we were in the turn for Fall 499. CLEARLY, since my post was AFTER the map for Spring 499 and so was for FALL. Therefore, I posted that map on time. So what's this "last map delayed by 3 days" business? Just your own miscalculation. I have never made a map late, foo.

We are currently AT FALL 499, and I CLEARLY SAID that orders are due on FRIDAY.

So what the freak are you smoking?

[Subjukator]

Ummm... I'm confuzzled...

I think we are talking about the same thing only on different wavelengths... I dont know... whatever it's ok, I just lost 9 CD's that I bought so I'm consolidating what I have right now.

[Fenguin]

Hehe, I think I thought you were talking about last turn but you thought I was talking about this turn so you said something about this turn but I thought it was about last turn so I said something about last turn. My brain hurts... :(

[Cygnus]

Orders were in as of last night...

[Fenguin]

I still need orders from Bird, ShadowCrusader, and WhiteKnight. :) Remember they're due tonight at 9! :D

[BlackHawk]

10:39...*whistles* do do do do do...

[Fenguin]

Your clock is wrong. ;) Hehehehe...
Should I just make it without orders from 3 people?

[BlackHawk]

But of course, you must be ruthless. Plunder, rape, pillage, it's the way of a barbarian...such fun plx!

[Fenguin]

Spring 498 BC -- Fenguin Open
Summary
Something tells me that I'll have to rebalance the game against Persia... poor Crete. :(
Persia sends out a bunch of units. So does Thessaly. Athens dares to go near Sparta, but Sparta was a slacker and so didn't move, leaving Sparta wide open. :( Also, Crete gets more stuff, and sends phe'zo fleets out into open seas. All this occured while Zeus was smoking in the Olympian bathroom. ;)

Moves

Athens
F Athens
A Cor
---
A Sicy S A Cor -> Argos
A Cor -> Argos
F Euboea -> Gulf of Helena
A Charones -> Thebes
F Athens HOLD

Byzantium
No moves received

Crete
A Halicarnassus
---
A Halicarnassus S A Miletus
A Miletus S A Halicarnassus
F Rhod-Lygian Sea
F SW Aegean Sea-Nax
F North Cretian Sea-South East Aegean Sea

Macedonia
No moves received

Persia
F Smyr
A Sardis
A Phila
---
F Smyr-Latmicus
F Chi-Myrt. Sea
A Ephe-Miletus
A Phila-Colossae
A Peraea S A Phila-Colossae
A Sardis-Cyme

Sparta
No moves received

Thessaly
F Ambracia
F Amphi
F Phar
---
F Ambracia - N. Ionian
F Amphi - Araxus
F Phar - Demetrian Sea
A Tem - Epirus
A Apoll - Olc
F Delphi HOLD

Map:
http://c.feng.home.comcast.net/diplo4.gif

Next orders due: Tuesday @ 9:00 PM.

[Cygnus]

Something tells me that I'll have to rebalance the game against Persia... poor Crete. I'd actually have to say that you're wrong, you see I would never have attacked Crete in the first place if there had not been so few centers.

Suggestions: try to not give Byzantium so many free centers out of Persian reach. Maybe perhaps as well change in the territories would "protect" Crete but don't weaken Persia anymore than it already is.

[Fenguin]

I'd actually have to say that you're wrong, you see I would never have attacked Crete in the first place if there had not been so few centers.

Suggestions: try to not give Byzantium so many free centers out of Persian reach. Maybe perhaps as well change in the territories would "protect" Crete but don't weaken Persia anymore than it already is.
Or I could do that. ;) I actually think your idea is a better idea.

[BlackHawk]

Woah...we're going backward in time? ...Freaky.

[Cygnus]

That's how the time in BC went....

[Whiteknight]

Um... I could have sworn I PMed my orders. Oh well, my fault if I didn't, I'll just have to go from here, missed more units and... damn, that sucks... sigh... oh well... No extra units for me, dammit, I could have defended against Athens, stupid me and not posting, ARG! Well, I'm basically screwed for this round now, maybe more. Athens will most likely whittle me down... ouch...

EDIT: This time I'm going to get my orders in early, so that I may not be defeated by not giving orders. I'll get my orders in tomorrow.

EDIT: Okay, I'm making a word document with all my games, with all my alliances and NAPs, and when the orders are due so that this will not happen again.

EDIT: I realized now that if I had come here right when I got back, I would have been able to post orders. Ouch, that hurts, why did I wait so long to come to Diplo?

[Subjukator]

Maybe if Byzantium did something...

[Cygnus]

Uhhh right... which is why it would take two turns for his men to get to my borders...

[Modred]

Maybe if Byzantium did something...

Come on...we're talkin about BirdChaos here...sure he's a great player...but him submit orders without being yelled at over AIM? Yeah right...

[OboeGuru]

yeah, it's really seemed to be the only effectie way to get orders from him. :)

[Fenguin]

Need orders! They're due tonight! Blah blah!

[Subjukator]

WHEW! I thought for a second I didn't turn mine in... :)

[Fenguin]

I only have orders from two people: Oboe and BH.
And it's 9:00 already. Because I'm soo nice, I'll extend to 10:00. :D

(btw where's your orders Sub? they're not in my PM box and they're nowhere in this thread :()

edit at 10:00
ORDERS!!! I need them from 5 people! You know who you are! :D
I guess I have to extend the deadline to tomorrow night. I can't possibly make a map with only 2 sets of orders :(

[Whiteknight]

Whoa... damn, orders now! Sorry! I was working on my major project due tomorrow!

Orders PMed

I still can't believe I missed orders... I have so few armies now... I could have won... Now I lose... oh well...

[Subjukator]

Wierd... I'll PM them again later today.

[Cygnus]

Uhh... are you sure you don't have my orders?

EDIT: I guess I didn't... well orders have been sent.

[BlackHawk]

*twidles thumbs* do do do...

[Fenguin]

I've got 4 sets of orders so far. Remember orders are due tonight! :D

[BlackHawk]

Bah, it's 10 (my time)...any chance of a map soon? (It's just we've been waiting for like 1-2 days now...)

[Whiteknight]

If people didn't get their orders in, that's their fault.

You DO have my orders, right? I sent them yesterday.

[Fenguin]

Fenguin Open - Fall 498 BC

Summary
Athens takes some land from Sparta. Persia snatches more land from Crete and begins to expand upwards. Byzantium still does not move. Thessaly takes land from Macedonia who also does not move. Thessaly exists in two strips; between those two strips, there's a band of untaken land.

Moves
Athens
F Athens -> Hydrean Sea
F Gulf of Helena S F Athens -> Hydrean Sea
A Sicy -> Arcadia
A Argos S A Sicy -> Arcadia
A Thebes -> Cor

Byzantium
none

Crete
none

Macedonia
none

Persia
F Latmicus-Se.Aegean Sea
F Myrt. Sea S F Latmicus-Se.Aegean Sea
A Ephe-Miletus
A Colossae S A Ephe-Miletus
A Peraea-Halicarnassus Bounce
A Cyme-Pergamum

Sparta
A Olympia -> Achaea Bounce
A Acadia -> Ith
F Hydrean Sea -> Epid

Thessaly
F Araxus - Achaea Bounce
F N. Ionian - South Ionian
F Delphi - Araxus Bounce
A Epirus - Pella
A Olc S A Epirus - Pella
F Demetrian Sea S A Epirus - Pella

Builds/Retreats/Disbands
Athens: 1/0/0
Sparta: 0/0/0
Thessaly: 1/0/0
Macedonia: 0/0/0
Byzantium: 0/0/0
Persia: 1/0/0
Crete: 0 / A Miletus may retreat to Mylasa or Mag or disband; F SE Aegean Sea may retreat to SW Aegean Sea, North Cretian Sea, or Gulf of Ceramicus or disband / 0

Due date
The due date is Sunday night. I'm making it a little bit longer to give more time to slackers. :)

Map
http://c.feng.home.comcast.net/diplo5.gif

[Whiteknight]

Eep... That lack of orders has come to haunt me. Damn... Good game, and good job Athens... =\ Maybe I can still survive and come back... maybe...

[OboeGuru]

Best of luck to you Sparta, make Ares/Mars proud! ;)

Orders PMed.

[Subjukator]

The damn map was down and I couldn't post my damn orders in on time...

Wasn't really my fault... this sucks so much

[Cygnus]

EDIT: Jeez... stop editing your post...

[Fenguin]

The damn map was down and I couldn't post my damn orders in on time...

Wasn't really my fault... this sucks so much
Awww... I'm so sorry. :(
Next time, PM me and I might give you an extension if your reason is good enough. Or I might fix the map. :)

[Subjukator]

Yea Cygnus... because I just realized that you backstabbed me... and how much it hurts :(

It burns! It burns!

AHHHHH!!!

[Fenguin]

Subby edited his post, so I'll edit my post too. :)

[Subjukator]

Umm, I edited that post. And are you here invisibly?

[Cygnus]

Sorry kid, but uhh it was either me or you.

[Whiteknight]

Best of luck to you Sparta, make Ares/Mars proud! ;)

Orders PMed.
You cocky bastard ;) Maybe I'll put up a bit of a fight, so that you don't dominate too quickly.

[Cygnus]

Fenguin please read your PMs about when I can get orders in.

[Whiteknight]

I did get my orders in, right? I'm pretty sure I did, I'm just checking.

[BlackHawk]

Orders PM'ed (yesterday), NOTE: I forgot to add the date Fengy, but it's entitled "Fenguins Diplo - Thessaly Spring BC Orders" in case you're looking for mine with a date.

[Fenguin]

Fenguin please read your PMs about when I can get orders in.
If I don't get your orders on time tonight, I'll extend the deadline to 3:00 PM CST tomorrow afternoon. But no later :D

And WK, I don't have your orders :( The last set of orders I got from you was on Tuesday for the previous turn. :(

[Whiteknight]

What? Really? I thought I sent them... Oh well, I'll send them now then...

[Cygnus]

Orders pmed as of last night.

[BlackHawk]

Orders pmed as of last night.

Mappage? W00t? :shiftyr:

[Fenguin]

Just got back from volunteering. :/

Fenguin Open - Spring 497 BC

Summary
Thessaly and Persia expand even more! Thessaly approaches Athens' unguarded supply centers while eating Macedonia; Persia takes over Cretian land. Athens and Sparta trade Arcadia for Sparta.

Moves
Athens
F Athens

F Gulf of Helena -> N. Aegean Sea
F Hydrean Sea -> Gulf of Laconia BOUNCE
A Arcadia -> Sparta
A Argos S A Arcadia -> Sparta
A Cor -> Sicy
F Athens -> Gulf of Helena

Byzantium
none

Crete
none

Macedonia
none

Persia
F Smyr

F Smyr-Latmicus
F Se.Aegean Sea-Nax
F Myrt. Sea S F Se.Aegean Sea-Nax
A Miletus-Halicarnassus
A Peraea S A Miletus-Halicarnassus
A Colossae-Miletus
A Pergamum-Troy

Sparta
A Ith - Mega
A Olympia - Arcadia
F Epid - Gulf of Laconia BOUNCE

Thessaly
A Amphi

A Olc - Ill
A Pella S A Olc - Ill
F Demetrian Sea - Sciathos
F Delphi - Locris
A Amphi - Achaea
F Araxus Convoy A Amphi - Achaea
F South Ionian - N. Mediterranean

Retreats/Disbands
Cretian F Naxos may retreat to SW Aegean Sea or disband.
Cretian A Halicarnassus may retreat to Mylasa or disband.
Macedonian A Illyria has no valid retreats and is routed.

Map
http://c.feng.home.comcast.net/diplo6.gif

Orders
Are due next Sunday (I won't have time to do it tomorrow or Wednesday or Thursday, and I'm gone Friday).

[Cygnus]

Persia sends out offerings of alliance to Athens and Sparta and requests both nations halt their conflict and fight their real enemy: Thessaly.

[BlackHawk]

Persia sends out offerings of alliance to Athens and Sparta and requests both nations halt their conflict and fight their real enemy: Thessaly.

Hmm, and ignore you, the most powerful nation with 10 SC's. Seems odd, do you wish them to defeat me so that it's those two against you, therefore you can easily wipe them out? Maybe it is us that should be helping Crete against your advances? I believe you think they are but sheep willing to walk towards the slaughter house for Farmer Persia to stab.

[Cygnus]

Ah yes...

*notices how many builds Thessaly will gain this year*

*compares to how many Persia will gain*

*also noted how much Thessaly will take from both Athens and Sparta*

Riiiight.

[BlackHawk]

Well, about those "SC's Thessaly will take from both Athens and Sparta" are currently being taken up with those who need to know. Either way, I'm sure it won't matter, you will continue gaining on your side unchallenged while we squabble amongst ourselves. My gains in this turn will not compare to those you make over the next few years when Crete succumb's to your rule, and you rule the East unchallenged. I will let the Emperors of Athens and Sparta decide on this matter, hopefully they will make the wise choice.

[Modred]

Behold!

I come to thee in a vision and bring a message of dire importance!

Cygnuseth hatheth thiseth gameth ineth theeth baggeth.

[OboeGuru]

Well, with a weak Crete and a Byzantium that's doign nothing, is't so surprising?

[Subjukator]

Retreats
A Miletus-Mag
F SE Aegean Sea-Latmicus

Moves
A Mag S F Latmicus-Miletus
F Latmicus-Miletus
F Lygian Sea-Gulf of Ceramicus
A Halicarnassus S F Latmicus-Miletus
F Nax-SE Aegean Sea

WTF is going on here!? These are the orders I have that have been unaltered since last week cause I can't see the map right now anyways. Why weren't they put on?

EDIT: This had been twice now and I've been faithful since the beginning.

And as I think about it, this whole game just stinks for me now...

DOUBLE EDIT: And as I think more about it, whatever. I'm screwed regardless cause I know changing the map is just a remote possibility now... o well..

[Cygnus]

I don't know about that man, since it was like two turns ago... but that's for the GM to decide...

[Subjukator]

I meant the one that just happened right now.

[Cygnus]

Up to the GM...

[OboeGuru]

Maybe instead of PMing orders, you should IM Fenguin with them or *gasp* post them in here.

[Subjukator]

Meh... I know... bah... :bonk:

[Cygnus]

So we're just good to get the next orders in on Sunday right?

EDIT: I've taken this to mean we're just going to go on, without revision. Orders pmed for the next turn.

[Fenguin]

Gah! I don't know why my PMs aren't working! :( So many people are sending me stuff and I'm not receiving it. I think it'll be better if you guys send it to me using other means, like posting it here or emailing them to me or talking to me on AIM.

Cygnus, I think you'll have to send the orders again. Grr @ PMs. And I'm really really sorry Subby :(

[Cygnus]

Actually I hadn't had a chance to PM it yet, my teacher kicked me off the internet... but I'll have them up for you tonight.

EDIT: Orders just PMed, PM me if you didn't get them.

[Subjukator]

Dead in the Water...

Retreat: F Nax-SW Aegean, A Halicarnassus-Mylasa

Moves:

A Mylasa-Colossae
F Lygian Sea-SE Aegean
F SW Aegean S F Lygian Sea-SE Aegean

[BlackHawk]

Can we send 'em by PM now? Or is there still a problem thing?

[Whiteknight]

Yeah, I need to know because I prefer to send it by PM. Not that I don't trust anybody. :shiftyl:

[OboeGuru]

Athens

F N. Aegean Sea -> Mytil
A Sicy -> Arcadia
A Argos S A Sicy -> Arcadia
F Hydrean Sea -> Gulf of Laconia
F Gulf of Helena HOLD
A Sparta HOLD

[BlackHawk]

Orders PMed and Emailed :).

[Whiteknight]

PMing now, so don't make map yet.

EDIT: Orders:

A Arcadia - Sparta
A Mega - Arcadia
F Epid - Argos

[Fenguin]

Fenguin Open - Fall 497 BC

Summary
Thessaly and Persia looking very strong, Thessaly ripping on Athens while Persia eating up Crete. Athens nabs some land in Sparta and far away while losing some closer supply centers. Macedonia and Byzantium don't move again.

Moves
Athens
F N. Aegean Sea -> Mytil
A Sicy -> Arcadia
A Argos S A Sicy -> Arcadia
F Hydrean Sea -> Gulf of Laconia
F Gulf of Helena HOLD
A Sparta HOLD

Byzantium
none

Crete
Retreat: F Nax-SW Aegean, A Halicarnassus-Mylasa

A Mylasa-Colossae
F Lygian Sea-SE Aegean
F SW Aegean S F Lygian Sea-SE Aegean

Macedonia
none

Persia
F Latmicus-Myrt. Sea
F Nax S F Latmicus-Myrt. Sea
F Myrt. Sea-Chi
A Halicarnassus Hold
A Peraea S A Halicarnassus Hold
A Miletus S A Halicarnassus Hold
A Troy Hold

Sparta
A Arcadia - Sparta BOUNCE
A Mega - Arcadia BOUNCE
F Epid - Argos BOUNCE

Thessaly
A Ill H
A Pella - Phil BOUNCE
F Sciathos - Charonea
F Locris - Thebes
F Araxus - Helicon
A Achaea S A Arcadia H
F N. Mediterranean - West Cretian Sea

Builds/Retreats/Disbands
Athens: 0/0/0
Sparta: A Arcadia may retreat to Olympia, Elis or Ith or disband. Also: 2 supply centers, 3 units, must disband a unit.
Thessaly: 4/0/0
Macedonia: 0/A Illyria has no viable retreats and is destroyed/0
Byzantium: 0/0/0
Persia: 3/0/0
Crete: 0/0/0

Map
http://c.feng.home.comcast.net/diplo7.gif

PM me if the map dies or anything like that. :) And orders are due Friday @ 9:00 PM CST. :D

[BlackHawk]

So I can only use 3 builds because I only have 3 Home SC's right?

[Cygnus]

Just had to be annoying eh Crete. :)

[OboeGuru]

Goddammit, more wounds in my back...

[BlackHawk]

Goddammit, more wounds in my back...

Sorry 'bout that, you know survival of the sneakiest and all :D. Don't hurt me!

[OboeGuru]

I'm gonna need a sabbatical after all this.

[Subjukator]

Just had to be annoying eh Crete. :)

I'd be a pain if I wasn't so stupid in the beginning ;)

[Whiteknight]

I'm struggling to stay alive here... Just gotta hold out until the tie *crosses fingers*. ...that is if there is a tie...

[Cygnus]

Orders will be in tomarrow once I figure out what exactly the hell to do. ><

EDIT: Still thinking, but I will have orders in tomarrow (during Comp Sci).

[Whiteknight]

Orders will be in tomorrow at 4:00 - 5:00, if you would be so kind as to wait. (It's 11:50 now).

[Subjukator]

When are orders due cause I might need an extension if its like today or something...

[Cygnus]

Could I have an extension until tomarrow Fenguin?

[Subjukator]

Crete has been reduced to a second rate power :(

[Fenguin]

Um... two people need an extension... shall we make the due date tomorrow then? (yes :D)

[Cygnus]

Thank ye sir. ^^

[Modred]

I think you should skip them. j/k

[Whiteknight]

Orders: (I'll probably be out soon, makes way for Modred's upcoming game! :))


Disband: F Epid
Retreat: A Arcadia - Olympia

A Olympia - Arcadia
A Mega Supports A Olympia - Arcadia

Stop looking at my orders! ;-)

[OboeGuru]

Athens

F Gulf of Laconia -> Messene
A Arcadia S A Sparta -> Ith
A Sparta -> Ith
All Others HOLD

[Subjukator]

Orders PMed

[Cygnus]

Orders in.

[BlackHawk]

Orders PM'ed as of yesterday :D.

[Cygnus]

Just rubbing that fact in huh. :)

[BlackHawk]

Just rubbing that fact in huh. :)

Yea...why not :). I mean, someone's gotta be the teachers...err...GM's Pet :D.

[Cygnus]

That would explain a lot... ^^

[Whiteknight]

Well, this is one big tommorrow, eh? :D

[OboeGuru]

*cough* AP Tests *cough* ;)

[Cygnus]

Which ones...

[OboeGuru]

Physics B (and C for Fengy), United States Gov't, Macroeconomics

[Subjukator]

Sigh...

Mmm k I guess Fenguin took a little time off huh?

[BlackHawk]

Exams I believe...gah, this games gonna take forever.

[Whiteknight]

That's odd, he should be done AP/IB tests already, it's been 20 days...

Oh well, I'm sure he has more work than that, or something like it.