Spoon Bending

[GrimTerror]

Its part of my human nature to be skeptical, so naturally i find it hard to believe in god, aliens and whatnot. I've always believed in science more than anything else, which makes me seem more of an empiricist more than anything else...

One thing i am quite unsure about is the psychic abilities of humans. There is quite a large chunk of the brain that we do not understand, and could hold knowledge beyond our imaginations. Therefore, is it possible for us to access the subconscience part of our brains without noticing or trying and achieving feats which the majority of the community and the scientific community reject, such as Telepathy, Clairvoyance and Telekenisis. I've seen the skeptic's argument for Telekenisis (Which intrigues me the most) but i just cant shake off the feeling of belief in it, despite my skeptical nature.

One of the most well known acts of Telekenisis (that is, affecting material objects with the power of the mind) is spoon bending, which has been performed all over the world. Skeptics say that it's the slight of hand manouver that many magicians use, while others believe in the powers of the mind.

The question i want to ask is, have you experienced any Telekinisis activity or do you believe in it like i do? Can you maybe come up with a Scientific Theory to explain it? I think it may have something to do with The connection between Magnetism, Electrical currents and movemet, that somehow the electrical impulses in our bodies can trigger a magnetic force, therefore causing motion on the spoon (or any other utensil) as i learned in science that any 2 of those forces can combine to produce the third...

[Neo]

Well the first time I saw a spoon bend I thought it was awesome (I was like 10), but then I saw some special on magicians that explained it was nothing more then applying some heat to the spoon... allowed it to bend on its own.

Telekinesis, though, I am still not sure about. I have an easier time believing in psychics, more then people who can bend spoons... or make things move.

Simply becuase it can't be a fluke that these people have helped solve unsolved cases and stuff. Not sure I believe in talking with the dead... But you have to admit... It can bring closure to those who were left behind.

Meh.

There will always be fakes... But just becuase there are... Does that mean every single one is fake?

-Neo

[Napalm]

"Don't try to bend the spoon, you will realize that is imposable, instead try to only realize the truth"
"the truth?"
"there is no spoon"

haha i love the matrix

I also believe in science more then anything, but also i DO believe there are 'aliens' cause i find it incredibly hard to believe that earth is the only planet to suport life by itself. Also i heard that if they find some type of life on mars for example bacteria in the frozen water, then life will become a law and not an exception, because life on 2 planets around 1 sun? i dunno about you but that sounds a little improbable to me.

Im not to sure about the whole telekinisis thing but i do beleive alot more goes on in the mind then people think.

[MidnightGladius]

Spoon bending as most do it, as Neo said, is just a proper application of heat and a heat-resistant glove.

However, it is hard to say for certain if there is somebody who can perform telekinesis. What if the magicians developed an affinity for it, but can't access it due to their psychological block?

Now that's something to consider ... if it made somewhat more sense.

[X-Master2]

"They say only 10 percent of the brain's function is know. Apparently, the function of the remaining 90 percent is to keep us from discovering its function." -George Carlin

Well I guess it can be said that we have no clue. Since who knows? Maybe people really can bend or move objects with their minds. But we can never be sure, since its impossible to convince every single person that this would be possible, not unless everyone could do it. But I guess thats the problem in the first place. Since we have no idea where it even comes from, if it does in fact have an existance, but we would be hard pressed to find somone who can actually do it, since people will try to scam to make a quick buck, or something. But, in light of that unfortunate fact, maybe we will eventually unlock the potential in the human brain for psychic powers. But until that happens, then I guess it will never be known for certain. So while we wait, we can spin yarns, and fabricate whatever our imagination can conjure up.

[GrimTerror]

Telekinesis (got the right spelling at last) is not just bending spoons, its also moving bojects without touching them. Some suggest that Poltergeist activity is based on spontaneous Telekinesis. Why should we be limited by the bounds of Science? If Science can't explain it then does that mean that it does not exist? I dont think so.

I once read of this account of a spoon bending party, where 20 people who had never attempted Telekinesis gathered. Naturally some were skeptics, some did not believe they could do it and others believed in it. Out of the 20 people, 18 managed to successfully bend a spoon using their minds.

And what about moving objects with the mind? I doubt that could be some slight of hand movement seeing as the person does not touch the object. Research the story (or just google it) of the Russian Psychic Nina Kulagina. Look for a more unbiased account rather than a skeptics view. There are some out there, but i just cant remember where the one i read is:(

Ignore Uri Gellar. He just bends spoons. Telekinesis is more than bending spoons.

[GenocideAlive]

It's always nice to fantasize, it's the first step in all Science (hypothesis). The reason that Science doesn't address the vast majority of "psychic talents" is because thus far they haven't been repeatable. Being able to repeat an experiment and obtain comparable results is the cornerstone of all Science. The vast, vast majority of people attempting to claim they have psychic powers have them under either very dubious circumstances or are obvious fakes.

Until it's refined to the point that someone can do it repeatably, it's useless.

[Neo]

It's always nice to fantasize, it's the first step in all Science (hypothesis). The reason that Science doesn't address the vast majority of "psychic talents" is because thus far they haven't been repeatable. Being able to repeat an experiment and obtain comparable results is the cornerstone of all Science. The vast, vast majority of people attempting to claim they have psychic powers have them under either very dubious circumstances or are obvious fakes.

Until it's refined to the point that someone can do it repeatably, it's useless.
Actually the US Govt and the all Russian govt did experiments with this kind of activity often.

In fact the US have been using remote viewing techniques for a long while now -- research it. The Russians, I believe, set up an experiement where 1 person actually choked another who was miles away -- almost killing the other person.

Or something like that.

Saying its not repeatable is crap, becuase its just another excuse. And there has to be something valid about it -- hell police have been using psychics for years.

A few hundred years ago we were so sure that the earth was flat right? And the people who spoke out against it were riticuled as well.

Whos to say that in a few decades, or a couple hundred years we won't all be walking around using telepathy?

-Neo

[GrimTerror]

That was my initial thought. Because Science doesn't have the answer yet doesn't mean that its not a reality. Science cant be our only reality, because if it was, we'd know much less than what we do now. I cant find a reliable source on the subject though, because i read that there has been scientific tests which showed activity using an Oscilloscope, and others saying that there has been no conclusive or real scientific experiment taken.

I'm trying to see if its a reality by myself. I know that if it is real, it wont happen in a heartbeat. There's been some major skeptical statements put forth about the main tests for telekinesis. Its said that air currents and static can effect the Psi wheel and the straw-on-bottle tests. It certainly is difficult to determine whether Telekinesis is true on such a microscopic level, and i can hardly gather a spoon bending party under the ideal conditions, too many skeptics...

[iHawk]

I myself have witnessed the most common psychic 'ability'. That being the ability to see into the future, now I don't mean it like those chesey crystal ball psychics I mean seeing things in your mind and then it happens and I know the person who claims it happens actually sees these things because it's me.

Sometimes I'll dream of something happening (usually just three minutes seeing it from my own eyes), or someone talking and then it happens. One time it happned just that day! Now whenever I have these dreams I'm not sure what it is until the event starts and I realise that I've seen it before. I can not controll this however and have never had a 'vission' when I was awake. But I can tell you that it happens.

I firmly believe that sub-conciencely we use more then 10% of our brains and that is why people will sometimes dream of something that will later happen. I do not however believe in 'Spoon Bending' as it is a cheap parlor trick that is replicatable with the right items.

-Lt.Hawk

[GrimTerror]

Maybe i should have chosen more wisely for the topic name. This is about Telekinesis, not just Spoon Bending! Kinesis comes from kinetic as in Movement. Tele must mean to do with the mind because i dont think its derived from telepathy.

There must be someone out here who know something about it!

[X-Master2]

I think Tele would have something to do with more of something like transport, and pathy, doing with mind, therefore, you are transporting your mind when using telepathy. Which is basically all it is, just communication with your mind and someone elses, using only thoughts. There was a book I looked at once that talked about a lot of the stuff you want to know about, like ghosts, and the psychic power, and some other things, all written by this biological scientist, who did an indepth study, I will have to remind my self to get it. Some people have speculated that early man was able to acess a part of the brain that gave him possible telekinesis, and was then used to explain such wonders as stonehedge. But over the course of many thousands of years, as man became more technologically advanced, he lost acess to that part of the brain, since there was no need to use it any more. But that is all pure theory.

[GrimTerror]

It's an interesting theory. Espeically as it came from a part of the scientific community who are mostly skeptical about such things. If you find the title of this book, please lemme know by this Thread or PM, whichever you prefer. Would you say that you believe in these sorts of things yourself?

[loads_of_fun]

same here exceps the aliens
part i think the univers is just
too big to have only 1 planet
with 1 race on it capeable of
reaching out and trying to find
extra terestrals i mean if there
is only us it seems like an auffle
waste of "space"

Some people have speculated that early man was able to acess a part of the brain that gave him possible telekinesis, and was then used to explain such wonders as stonehedge. But over the course of many thousands of years, as man became more technologically advanced, he lost acess to that part of the brain, since there was no need to use it any more. But that is all pure theory.
now all the peaces are falling
in to order, that could explain it

also i am in part psyscic but my
ablity lies in healing rather than
telekinesis or "spoon bending"
as you so createnly put it

[GrimTerror]

Maybe telepathy is modernly described as body language...

Edit: Did you find out about that book yet? Someone said they heard of a book that had quite a lot to do with this.