Today

[hammocksleeper]

I haven't heard anyone mention it all day but I wanted to let y'all know that I wasn't going to mention it either. But I'm sure someone will. Here is a great venue!

[Geno]

I haven't heard anyone mention it all day but I wanted to let y'all know that I wasn't going to mention it either. But I'm sure someone will. Here is a great venue!

I was hoping today was just going to pass by, but since you brought it up:

I hope everyone has a good day today, but still takes time out to remember what happened just a few short years ago. 9/11 hit us all hard, and I hope you learn something from it. Prayers to those that survived, and condolances that lost family and friends.

~Larry "Geno" Meyers
- BI's RP forum Ade

[kongurous]

As cold as it may sound, I don't really care what today is. Nothing on that day really affected me. Yes, security is abit tighter around the base, but other than that, life hasn't changed much for me, though money has gotten considerably tighter. To the people who survived, you have a story for your children and grandchildren. To those died, have fun in Nirvana/Heaven/Hell/Purgatory/your grave. To those who don't care either which way, join the club, we have jackets.

[Spartan-II]

I agree with Skippy. The past is the past.

I don't mourn or even stop to pause on the day my father died, I know he wouldn't want me to be sad, so i'm not.

I feel sorry for the people who lost loved ones on 9/11, i'm not heartless, but what's the point in mourning something that's gone?

[Sikawtic]

I 3rd skippy's motion.

[Xenon]

Did I miss something? What's today?

[TheBB]

I fourth it...

[pixels]

I dislike dwelling on the past. It is something that has already occured. If it affected you: so be it.

If it didnt, now isnt the time to try and make it so that it did.

[Sikawtic]

Did I miss something? What's today?I'm sure someone you can figure it out;)
Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Xe already knows what today means... haha. Invisible text is fun!!!. Hope it doesn't get quoted though, people can see it then :O

[Battlecruiser]

Wow, 4 years already. I just remembered what today was a few hours ago.

I think life is almost back to normal now, but most of us are still indirectly affected by it (Even though you don't know it) in some way or another. Also, in my opinion it is good to just reflect back and think about what happened. That isn't dwelling on the past.

[Hawthorne]

Hm.... interesting.... more interesting.....wbfabbsbkdbkdabklasblkadbkdkjda... ...I hate dial-up......today is Weanerloaf Day...oh wait it's been 4 years since that....didn't affect be I 5th it.

Hawthorne

[Spartan-II]

Just to clear things up: My dad didn't die on 9/11. He died in an accident on January 4th, 2000. I remember the date, but I don't mourn or grieve or anything.

Besides, we grieve for ourselves, not for the people who passed.

[singo]

Personally, I am offended that they encourage two minutes of silence.


Which is more than we have on the 11th of november. Priorities a bit squiffy anyone?

When all is said and done, If we start remembering EVERY LAST terrorist atrocity we are A) Never going to get anything done and B) Giving them the satisfaction of arseing up our lives.

[TinyDancer]

I Fifth it...

The only thing that's really changed outright for me is now my diabetic cousin gets searched more thouroughly every time we try to go somewhere.

[GrassDragon]

I wouldn't have even noticed the date if someone didn't mention it.

[UnHoly-Assassin]

I noticed it when I turned on the news and saw the name-reading that was going on for all the deceased. It made me feel better as a person to just take some time to watch it, but some people just needed a significant day each year to let it all out.

[AJ]

Meh. Loads of people have deep investments in today and the events that happened today.
I have nothing against that.

I don't have as deep an investment, but I'm willing to grant those people that right.

[Xenon]

Do these investments you speak of pay dividends?

[AJ]

bugger off.

[Battlecruiser]

Seems like people here don't really care. And that's alright, it's your choice. But I'm kind of unnerved since 9/11/2001 was the date of the first attack on US mainland in over a century. Basically a new war started. You would think more people would care... oh well.

[Sikawtic]

It's not that we don't care, it's that we don't feel the need to remind ourselves of such a loss of life at the hands of the enemy. It gives them power in my opinion.

[Schwitzer]

It was a great tragedy - there's no other way to look at it. However, people are killed every day - some even more inhumanely. I can't grieve every violent death in the world for ever. Sometimes, for the sake of those lost, you have to learn to be strong and get on with your life; otherwise the real tragedy is you.

[Schwitzer]

For those interested: http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/terrorism/september_11/

[Nuts]

Nothing on that day really affected me.
Score one for the fucktard in the corner.

[Demon_Child]

As cold as it may sound, I don't really care what today is. Nothing on that day really affected me. Yes, security is abit tighter around the base, but other than that, life hasn't changed much for me, though money has gotten considerably tighter. To the people who survived, you have a story for your children and grandchildren. To those died, have fun in Nirvana/Heaven/Hell/Purgatory/your grave. To those who don't care either which way, join the club, we have jackets.

Says the person who made a conniption over the London subway bombings in July. :rolleyes:

[Sikawtic]

For those interested: http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/terrorism/september_11/How could they re-elect Bush??? America is falling apart xD

[singo]

http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/terrorism/september_11/

Says it all doesnt it?


To be honest one of the really major effects was a huge drop in scrap metal prices due to the amount of steel suddenly available from all the rubble.

9/11/2001 was the date of the first attack on US mainland in over a century

Hmm, count yourselves lucky. Okay a few thousand people died. But terrorists have killed I'd say the thick end of a couple of hundred thousand over the years.

[Nuts]

For those interested: http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/terrorism/september_11/
That's a horribly biased timeline. I'm rather surprised you would post it.

[Scauthra]

Aside from a moment of silence in the early morning while listening to the radio, the day is just like any other day.

[Xenon]

That's a horribly biased timeline. I'm rather surprised you would post it.

Care to illuminate us? Can you provide a better timeline? How was it biased, besides the fact that the writer obviously thinks Bush is a moron (which he is)...

[Nuts]

Care to illuminate us? Can you provide a better timeline? How was it biased, besides the fact that the writer obviously thinks Bush is a moron (which he is)...
The factual data is relatively intact, but the commentary paints a highly inaccurate picture of the situation. Hindsight is a wonderful tool for web bloggers whom like to play Monday morning quarterback, but it's not very realistic. To say that we were unprepared for such an attack is an understatement. To say that we should have been prepared for such an attack also true. But to label the President an idiot because he didn't run out of the classroom in a grief stricken panic is highly irresponsible. In fact, I find his actions on that day to be quite normal. The President is not a first responder in domestic matters, this is why we have NORAD. Besides, it is my understanding that the President had no knowledge that this was a terrorist attack at the time of entering the classroom, in fact I don't believe he even knew what type of plane hit the building contrary to what this timeline would indicate.

If you really want to lay blame, we should apply equal blame to Clinton, Bush Sr. and Reagan, under which Al Qaeda grew to relevance. In fact, we could get really nasty and claim that Reagan helped to create the Bin Laden we know today, while Clinton and Bush Sr. perpetuated the ignorance and by failing to apprehend Bin Laden when Sudan offered him on a silver platter, Clinton passively gave a green light to the future of terrorism. So if we want to play the blame game, there's equal blame to share across the board. It's easy to point fingers at the guy in the Oval Office, but in reality we're looking for a scapegoat, and he's the easiest target we can find.

As for Bush being a moron, I would think you of all people would know better than to fall for such a stereotype. Because his policy differs from your opinions, you would label him a moron? Or do you have other evidence that would corroborate your assertion?

It's becoming increasingly annoying to see Bush made to be a scapegoat for every problem that occurs in everyday life. No job? It's Bush's fault. No money? It's Bush's fault. Acts of nature reduced your home to rubble? It's Bush's fault. Name your poison and we'll lay blame to Bush, why not, right? I get ill everytime I hear someone casting blame on others for their shortcomings. Get off your asses and take some responsibility. If you don't like the leadership, vote his ass out of office instead of whining and complaining.

[Rayne]

This may seem a tad shallow. So to those who would flame me and hurl stones rather than try and understand what I mean, try not to over-post. Oh and heads up to the moderators, may be a bit of flaming. So this was a conversation I was just having ::

My Opinion

Rayne [S2] :: The Wanderers Guild [Show me F.E.A.R.] says:
No. I meant I dont care about 9.11

how dare i call this love, and not bear my cross to the end says:
good for you.

how dare i call this love, and not bear my cross to the end says:
ass.

Rayne [S2] :: The Wanderers Guild [Show me F.E.A.R.] says:
Well, thats not what I mean. Im just sick of all the attention it gets. You know more money was put into putting media attention on 9.11 then money was given to like Ghana in a year

Rayne [S2] :: The Wanderers Guild [Show me F.E.A.R.] says:
thats pretty fucking sad

Rayne [S2] :: The Wanderers Guild [Show me F.E.A.R.] says:
Its not that I dont care if a few thousand people died, sure its sad. But It doesnt affect me. But there are thousands of people that die EVERY day. Instead of sending money to india or africa or whatever the administration supes up its army to go shit kick some poor middle eastern country. great work america. Great fucking work. :P

Note :: I dont mean to insult any Americans with that last comment. And please dont try and correct me. Im honestly not in the mood.

[Kingscrab]

If you really want to lay blame, we should apply equal blame to Clinton, Bush Sr. and Reagan, under which Al Qaeda grew to relevance. In fact, we could get really nasty and claim that Reagan helped to create the Bin Laden we know today, while Clinton and Bush Sr. perpetuated the ignorance and by failing to apprehend Bin Laden when Sudan offered him on a silver platter, Clinton passively gave a green light to the future of terrorism. So if we want to play the blame game, there's equal blame to share across the board. It's easy to point fingers at the guy in the Oval Office, but in reality we're looking for a scapegoat, and he's the easiest target we can find. Who the hell are you supposed to point at? Someone who's not running the country anymore? Isn't his job to protect us. I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. He's in charge. If the shit hits the fan on his watch, he's the go to man. If he screws up, he gets pointed at. Make perfect sense to me. Don't take the job if you can't take the heat.

I assume that an incoming president would use the flaws of past administrations as a chance to prove his worth. Isn't that how a person becomes president? Using screw ups of his opponents and promising to make things better?

[Nuts]

Who the hell are you supposed to point at? Someone who's not running the country anymore? Isn't his job to protect us. I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. He's in charge. If the shit hits the fan on his watch, he's the go to man. If he screws up, he gets pointed at. Make perfect sense to me. Don't take the job if you can't take the heat.
My point being that it is incredibly difficult to predict a terrorist attack, therefore it seems incredibly naive to blame the sitting president for not being expeditious enough to "seem" busy after it was obvious that we were under attack. I have a suscpicion that many people would not have questioned his actions had he simply walked to his car, even if he had done nothing more than what was done in the classroom. I think you misunderstood me, there was blame to be had, but it was not something that could sit squarely on the shoulders of the president. This was a system-wide collapse of our national defense preparedness which would take years, if not decades to repair as we have witnessed in the past 4 years.

I haven't the patience nor the time to get too deep into this issue, so please excuse me if I don't reply from this point forward. This discussion could end up being a massive expenditure of time, much of which I do not have to spare. I have said what I wished to say, and everyone is welcome to disagree if they so choose, except skippy, he's still a fucktard.

[Schwitzer]

As for Bush being a moron, I would think you of all people would know better than to fall for such a stereotype. Because his policy differs from your opinions, you would label him a moron? Or do you have other evidence that would corroborate your assertion?
His consistent stream of outstanding speeches, for one.

It's becoming increasingly annoying to see Bush made to be a scapegoat for every problem that occurs in everyday life.
Hold the phone here; I haven't even said that this was Bush's fault, let alone blaming him for every problem in everyday life.

Get off your asses and take some responsibility. If you don't like the leadership, vote his ass out of office instead of whining and complaining.
I can't; I live in the wrong country.