Protoss discussion

[tassadar2]

What do yuo think of the protoss yay or nay? also your comments

[Aquarian]

Depends.But I'm with Zerg.The Toss' stuff are too expensive.

[Alexisonfire]

we all saw reach pwn oov =p doesn't that speak for its self

[Midianite]

What do yuo think of the protoss yay or nay? also your comments



MY LIFE FOR AUIR!!!!!!!!!!

-Midianite

[SuiCidAl-KiSmEt]

I like Terran, who can say no to Firebats, BattleCruisers, and NUKES?

[King_master]

Protoss Vs Terran Matches are so difficult, especialy when your terran enemy is a tank fan. Protoss are good for several things though. Shields are kick ass when they are fully charged and upgraded. Their combined firepower is almost unbeatable. A person who knows how to use both templars will conquere any map they choose.

[Yaqoob]

The 3 game series with [Oops]Reach vs Iloveoov was total domination by [Oops]Reach. I need to download the Vods. Sadly at the moment I have dial-up, but my room-mate has cable, so I am going to get a router soon. I only read the reports on www.teamliquid.net (http://www.teamliquid.net)

For those who don't know [Oops]Reach is a Protoss Progamer in Korea, and Iloveoov is a Terran Progamer. Both of them are amazing players, but [Oops]Reach is probabely the best Protoss gamer right now. Actually I think Iloveoov is the top Terran gamer right now. Best Zerg gamer goes to JulyZerg.

[HeroicRaptor]

Zerg>Protoss because lots surround few so few can't escape.

[Aquarian]

Protoss Vs Terran Matches are so difficult, especialy when your terran enemy is a tank fan. Protoss are good for several things though. Shields are kick ass when they are fully charged and upgraded. Their combined firepower is almost unbeatable. A person who knows how to use both templars will conquere any map they choose.

If he is a tank fan use carriers.He will be owned in a minute.

[King_master]

I've got perfect example how protoss can smash a terran player into oblivion. Just watch how my ally uses his templars against the BC's towards the end.


This is LT replay of a match that I had recently

I am the zerg player allying with the protoss player on the right.

[MidnightGladius]

PvT is all about limiting gas for your opponent. PvT is a gas-heavy match for terran because tanks eat up it rather quickly when pumping from 3-5 factories (others making vults). If P can hold back the tank push long enough to take enough expansions and get carriers and/or arbiters, T will be in for a world of hurt. The T must therefore attempt to push quickly enough through to P's main, where he/she can hopefully destroy most of the P's tech/gates. After that, you keep the bulk of the push in the middle and annihilate the rest of the P expos.

PvZ is a weird matchup because of the endless possibilities. They can last 5 minutes or an hour. Everything is very dynamic and the different combinations are endless (think DIDI8 vs Episode[V]). Expansion denial is very important for the P, but also is forcing the Z into defeat. With a choke, Z can hold off any P ground attack (even if they only hold 1 expo to the rest of the map, lurk/hydra/sunk/ovie can obliterate any toss ground attack from on top of a ramp), while Z must steadily build up forces and break down P expos one by one. In the end, either huge ground armies (zeal/goon/temp/arch vs ultra/ling/lurk) or air battles (sair/carrier vs muta/devie) will result. This is by far the most fun matchup.

I don't really have much to say about PvP, but it focuses on dragoons, making more dragoons, and killing more dragoons. :/

[Fronter]

Who can say no to Firebats and NUKES?I can, I don't like Nukes, nor Firebats, but Firebats are ok against some Zergling, and can take some small damage.

But Protoss Dragoons can get easily owned over the Siegement of Tanks. And, if you do what I do, I put an expansion, then surround the choke point (If there is a choke point) with Barracks, then Marines in bunkers, and have the Siege Tanks in Mode on the high walls (If there are high walls) And that can basically be one annoying defence to get rid of when on Ground, even High Templars don't help to much with the situation.

There is a fact that Protoss have the strongest units, but they also have the most costing units, and time. But probes are way better than SCV's, and most defiently Drones, but then again, Zerg is cheap, and can easily rush, and can swarm you in seconds. I guess that is why they call it "The Swarm."

Zerg are annoying against Protoss, since some good people annoyinnly use Defilers to Dark Swarm, making Dragoons useful for a while, and leaving the Zealots and Dark Templars only to really counter them.

Protoss would be my second favorite race, but I always tend to like the things that look more like Humans, so I like Terrans, then Protoss... And I just hate the ugly filthy looking Zerg.

[MidnightGladius]

Your rax/bunker wall only works when I don't focus attention on you, fronter. A ling/lurk rush would leave you dead very very quickly.

[tassadar2]

the protoss carriers (fully upgraded) can take down terran and zerg bases very easly provided ypu hve some thing to destroy thigs such as spore colonies and missile turrents i like to use a combination of zealots and dragoons.

[MidnightGladius]

Using carrier/sair against Zerg is pretty risking unless you have DA and HT backing you up. This is how the chain goes:

Muta < Sair
Devie > Sair
Muta/Devie > Sair/Carrier
Sair/Carrier/DA/HT > Muta/Devie/Queen/Defiler

[Zeratul106]

ive peffered zerg they kick ass

[SuiCidAl-KiSmEt]

If protoss is really easy to get a win, well, i bet no one ever took a look in the stragity blizzard got on their site.
http://www.battle.net/scc/protoss/pvt.shtml

[MidnightGladius]

HAHA!!! Most of that stuff on that site is completely ludicrous. What kind of Terran will use Marines and Firebats late game against toss?!

[Zeratul106]

thats good but ???? im a zerg player and i like to rush u no thats how people do it :) as u no it

[MidnightGladius]

Hmm, you can:

2hatch Speedling rush (T P)
3hatch Hydra rush (P)
2hatch Muta rush (T Z P)
1hatch Lurker rush (T)
3hatch Ling rush (P)

[King_master]

ya? I'll get cannon power with templars goons and reavers to smash your masses of clumped up units.

[The_Maker]

I would say each race has its own abilites, pros and cons. However, I still think the protoss are the easiest to master, then Terran, then Zerg. Since the Zerg dont have any super units (Carrier, BC, Nuke etc.) Terrans are like the middle of the road, balance between power and simplicity... Sorta like a compact car :P and the Protoss are t3h si5Seez since they have sheilds, their probes mine faster, and half their units have energy. But that can be an advantage as welll as a disadvantage so it al depends on your skillz. ;)

[MidnightGladius]

King_Master, I need to 1v1 you some time soon. Your insolence is depreciative to an otherwise intelligent character.

[King_master]

King_Master, I need to 1v1 you some time soon. Your insolence is depreciative to an otherwise intelligent character.

If I seem aggressive, it is because I'm always up for a good game and not a dull rushed blitzkrieg. I was showing you something from my perspective. And your vocabulary does not match the criteria of my demeanor towards you. You have overstated it.


I would love to 1v1 with you sometime, but with zero grudges intact.

[Carnivore]

i like protoss for 1 reason: they have the word plasma associated with them. but i preffer the good old zerg for to many reasons to name..... also alexionfire that 500 apm a minute pic.. i cant stop laughing

[MidnightGladius]

Zuranh_Darok on US.East. I'll be waiting for you.

I'll keep your points in context. Thank you for your rationality.

[Glad_2_bestoned]

it all depends, most of the times on money maps zergs will own protoss, but on bgh and Lt is a different story.

[Alexisonfire]

toss is the easiest to start with but later becomes the hardest (due to strats causing some inbalance) really for low levels its t>z>p>t and at mid to high levels toss advantage gets lost cuz terrans have the apm to pull of the strat so it becomes t>z>p

[MidnightGladius]

What strats are you speaking of, Jays? I'd like to hear them, for one.

[Alexisonfire]

if u look at any pro replay terran has to have the highest apm cuz they have a fucking lot of shit they have to do in tvp doing a perfect tank push isn't easy with vulture micro were as toss only really has to flank zlot/goon and do zlot bombs which is quite easy. in pro leagues all terrans have over 230-250 (a lot have much higher) apms were as u can c a toss such as Nal_rA have an apm of 150. ur never going to c a pro terran with 150 because it just isn't enough (zerg also have apms into thwe 200's but fuck them anyone can get 200 apm with zerg =p (except ahzz hes just slow (please don't hurt me ahzz T_T)))