5 Minute Win PvZ [Archive]

Spdstr

07-17-2005, 5:44 PM

Well... I just slaughtered a guy and he left... Was it because he was a noob, or that I'm good... Please tell me... -.-

Member,
~ Spdstr

P.S. I've won in 3 minutes before with a 3 Zealot-1 Zealot backup rush... Is that a good Idea? Considering I win like 3/4 of the time I guess it is...

MidnightGladius

07-17-2005, 8:19 PM

With PvZ, you can always cannon/zeal rush, so it isn't that hard to get wins against a fairly inexperienced player.

ReD_ICE

07-18-2005, 7:51 PM

.......the guy didnt even have a spawning pool....no shit u were playing a noob...

MidnightGladius

07-18-2005, 8:04 PM

ROFL!!! I didn't even bother to look at the replay...

Fronter

07-18-2005, 10:05 PM

Wow, that was sad.

Modred

07-18-2005, 10:39 PM

Heh, he just sat there waiting for his overlord with an unused drone just standing around doing nothing! And he didn't even move his 4th drone until he built the extractor. You could have rushed with your probes and won, as you had him outnumbered 2 to 1. I bet that guy has a hard time with the campaign, if he even tried it...

Also Spdstr, I noticed that you didn't go straight for the drones. If I had gotten there and there were no defenses, I would have focused all my zeals right on his workers. Just to make sure he doesn't get any more resources than he needs. =P

MidnightGladius

07-18-2005, 10:52 PM

Well, it depends. If his pool isn't done, obviously start pounding on it. If it is, going into the mineral line is suicide since he can use the harvest glitch and kill your zealots with extreme ease. I suggest hitting on the natural expo hatch...if there is one. If not, go for the extractor and try to delay hydras so you can use sairs to pick off overlords.

ReD_ICE

07-18-2005, 11:25 PM

killing anything would be beneficial at the time...but yeah, go for pool if its not finished, and go for hatch if pool is.

Aquarian

07-19-2005, 1:21 AM

I didn't see the replay but...

If you ask me,the Toss has a bit of advantage over zerg.Strength vs speed.But isn't that a bit stupid?Using only 3/1 zealots as backup?!I wonder why he lost.Even I would not die like that.

MidnightGladius

07-19-2005, 1:24 AM

Maybe cause the zerg didn't have a spawning pool? :)

Aquarian

07-19-2005, 1:43 AM

Lol!!HE didn't!>?!?!?!??!!>!??HaHHahhahah!

That guy is a noob.!

MidnightGladius

07-19-2005, 6:20 AM

Exactly what every other person cept the poster is saying.

Modred

07-19-2005, 1:10 PM

Well, going for the pool is a good idea if it's in the process of being built...but...come on...once he got into the base and saw nothing was there. No drones = no hope for a pool.

That guy is a noob.!
If you watch how his units move, I think it's fairly obvious that he followed his Overlord around and let his drones sit around at base unnoticed.

Spdstr

07-19-2005, 1:20 PM

Hrm... I've done this against other people WITH spawning pools and zerg and won 3/4 of the time like I said PvZ. lol. Seriously, a 3-1 zealot backup is a good idea to just get your opponent scared at the start of a game, just have something else in case he gets through it ;).

Member,
~ Spdstr

Fronter

07-19-2005, 1:36 PM

Normally a Zealot rush will work on Zerg, for the fact that alot of people try to build twenty hactheries, but while they are in the progress, a rush will sweep them clean.

MidnightGladius

07-19-2005, 7:32 PM

WTF!!! 20 hatches? Yup, you're a newb if you try that.

Zerg should fast expo to the natural and leave a zergling at their choke to scout for attacks while building creeps at the nat choke. If you see the attack coming, just morph to sunkens and block the pathing with your drones.

Of course, that's how it's supposed to work...

ReD_ICE

07-19-2005, 7:51 PM

lol...20 hatches....pretty money-map-ish if u ask me...

Fronter

07-19-2005, 8:07 PM

lol...20 hatches....pretty money-map-ish if u ask me...Yes it does, but I've seem two people do it, pretty sad, considering it is a waste of money since you won't get supplies as fast.

Ultimo

07-20-2005, 7:58 AM

Trust me, if your zerg opponent is half-decent, a zealot rush won't beat them. PvZ is one of the hardest match-ups for pro protoss players.

CreepColony

07-20-2005, 8:18 AM

just watched it... and to be honest, I think that was his first time ever playing Starcraft. It just felt like he was guessing and checking on every single move he made. Although I did notice him try to scout with a drone, perhaps he watched his friend playing starcraft at his house or something and thought it was a cool game. I mean... come on... this cat built an evolution chamber... secondly? I mean... what's he gonna evolve? His drone armor? I think he doesnt know you can drag your cursor over grayed out units and buildings to see the requirements for them. I think he was trying to build what he needed for sunken colonies... but ya know.. dash bern it! The lil guy just couldnt find it in time!

Ahzz

07-20-2005, 4:54 PM

MidnightGladius

07-20-2005, 9:54 PM

Well, I used to mass BCs against Zerg... hilarious because once I actually managed to pull it off...

Aquarian

07-21-2005, 1:26 AM

nah, cant you remeber your own "TOTAL newbie times???" I always made like a few drones, spawning pool and an evolution chamber at the same time. start gas for hydra, but no upgrades for carapace or anything until late game. Heh. Good times :D.

Heh.I don't think any newbie would be dumb enough to play on the battle net and embarass himself.Always start off with the computer.And,human players are better than computers.

Sikawtic

07-21-2005, 1:38 AM

Trust me, if your zerg opponent is half-decent, a zealot rush won't beat them. PvZ is one of the hardest match-ups for pro protoss players.one of? one of what? the possible 3 match-ups? o_O

Ultimo

07-21-2005, 1:40 AM

I suppose I should of said hardest then.

Sikawtic

07-21-2005, 1:43 AM

hehe, i was j/k.

the boredomness has me... again.

* goes to do laundry *

Ahzz

07-21-2005, 3:31 PM

Always start off with the computer.And,human players are better than computers.
ya, but i actually won the computers with that strategy. Mass hydra went through ;o

MidnightGladius

07-21-2005, 8:37 PM

I actually managed to win a few with my mass BC strategy... scary that some people were worse than me...

ReD_ICE

07-21-2005, 9:13 PM

actually...most people probably wouldnt expect a bc rush, now that u've mentioned it...i mean, if i was playing against a terran, i would obviously watch for containments, drops, fast expos, and the such...never a bc rush...nor a nuke rush...

Modred

07-21-2005, 10:11 PM

never a bc rush...nor a nuke rush...
Wow, even if you weren't expecting it I think you'd have to mess up badly to fall to a nuke rush as Zerg. Maybe if you had no defenders at your base. But a few zerglings and some hydras could take out a slew of ghosts before the nukes ever landed, especially since zerg starts with detection and should have overlords all over the place...