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RedRagToAnOrc
07-16-2005, 6:27 AM
I was surfing the net recently, looking for new strategies that I could try out with Night-Elves, when I came across a Level 15 who had posted a strategy using the Firelord as your first hero.

Intrigued, I read the article, and it seemed quite valid. It has a number of flaws, and against skilled players would probably be demolished, but I tried it, anyway, and beat a Level 22 (which wasn't even his real level) with it last night. In fact, for that matter, I thrashed him.

Basically, it goes like this.


Firstly, get 2 moon wells and a barracks, late altar then go to the tavern to get your Firelord. Pick Lava Spawn as your first skill, then rush the enemy.
The Lava Spawn, if it hits a living thing 12 times, will split into two healthy lava spawns - so basically, you can get quite a lot of Lava Spawns if you can keep up the rush for long enough.
Meanwhile, start pumping out huntresses at your base and send them to the Firelord. Upgrade your main base and keep pumping hunts until you have about 8 or 9 of them. This should keep you going until you can tech, if your micro is good enough.
When your base is upgraded, get a Dark Ranger (Black Arrow) from the Tavern, and pump out Dryads and Druids of the Talon, until you have a full group of them. Keep harrassing the enemy.
If all goes to plan and your Dark Ranger manages to kill a few units, you can get quite a few skeletons with Lava Spawns as well.
My game didn't go exactly to plan. Firstly, I attacked the wrong base (on a 4 player map,) because his Far Seer was scouting that base and I saw it, thinking that was his base.

Still, the Firelord was in a group with 2 or 3 spawns by the time he attacked me first. By this point, I was pumping out huntresses, and happened to see the tower rush he was using outside of my base. I destroyed the towers, healed my damaged huntresses and quashed another tower attack on the other side of the base.

By this time, I had a number of hunts and had gone to attack his base. Keeping the harrassment up for most of the time, I teched my main base and started getting Dryads/Druids, with my Dark Ranger. It fizzles out a bit, and the battle is quite decisive, but I was still happy with the way I played. He got so frustrated in the end that he left.

I've attached the replay, it's quite a good one, please take some time out to watch it and give me your opinions.

Lordshadowbane
07-16-2005, 7:48 AM
I was surfing the net recently, looking for new strategies that I could try out with Night-Elves, when I came across a Level 15 who had posted a strategy using the Firelord as your first hero.

Intrigued, I read the article, and it seemed quite valid. It has a number of flaws, and against skilled players would probably be demolished, but I tried it, anyway, and beat a Level 22 (which wasn't even his real level) with it last night. In fact, for that matter, I thrashed him.

Basically, it goes like this.

Firstly, get 2 moon wells and a barracks, late altar then go to the tavern to get your Firelord. Pick Lava Spawn as your first skill, then rush the enemy.
The Lava Spawn, if it hits a living thing 12 times, will split into two healthy lava spawns - so basically, you can get quite a lot of Lava Spawns if you can keep up the rush for long enough.
Meanwhile, start pumping out huntresses at your base and send them to the Firelord. Upgrade your main base and keep pumping hunts until you have about 8 or 9 of them. This should keep you going until you can tech, if your micro is good enough.
When your base is upgraded, get a Dark Ranger (Black Arrow) from the Tavern, and pump out Dryads and Druids of the Talon, until you have a full group of them. Keep harrassing the enemy.
If all goes to plan and your Dark Ranger manages to kill a few units, you can get quite a few skeletons with Lava Spawns as well.
My game didn't go exactly to plan. Firstly, I attacked the wrong base (on a 4 player map,) because his Far Seer was scouting that base and I saw it, thinking that was his base.

Still, the Firelord was in a group with 2 or 3 spawns by the time he attacked me first. By this point, I was pumping out huntresses, and happened to see the tower rush he was using outside of my base. I destroyed the towers, healed my damaged huntresses and quashed another tower attack on the other side of the base.

By this time, I had a number of hunts and had gone to attack his base. Keeping the harrassment up for most of the time, I teched my main base and started getting Dryads/Druids, with my Dark Ranger. It fizzles out a bit, and the battle is quite decisive, but I was still happy with the way I played. He got so frustrated in the end that he left.

I've attached the replay, it's quite a good one, please take some time out to watch it and give me your opinions.

Actually this tactic isnt flawed. Elf+tavern+attack move and win is imbalanced. The term "noobelf" is common for all elf players since elf>all races. All you really have to do is mass ff. Spawns and skellies will overrun them. Orc has BIG issues vs this along w/ Beastmaster/Firelord/mass dotts, you can actually forget the dryads and just go pure dotts w/ FL/DR.

Vs UD you will easily own w/ just pure archers to archer/dryad or mass hunts. Rush while they're at tier 2 and you will win. Since elf techs the fastest.

Vs HU, if they have defend or arcane tower it might be tricky. But of course Massing hunts works fine.

cole
07-16-2005, 12:17 PM
Vs my orc i can counter that easily, now beast/FL can be a bit diffetent but if i can get enough shamen than i can counter that fairly easily too. All i would need is probaly 3 shamen just to purge FLs before i got overrun, and just stomp/LS/chain vs archers and hunts. Dh is unfortunately the dominant first hero choice for NE players and sometimes warden. Talking about solo, anyways. Not team where NE can do those complete fag strats.

killer-penguin
07-18-2005, 5:40 AM
Vs my orc i can counter that easily, now beast/FL can be a bit diffetent but if i can get enough shamen than i can counter that fairly easily too. All i would need is probaly 3 shamen just to purge FLs before i got overrun, and just stomp/LS/chain vs archers and hunts. Dh is unfortunately the dominant first hero choice for NE players and sometimes warden. Talking about solo, anyways. Not team where NE can do those complete fag strats.
Yeah how an NE NE team can lose using a fag strat like that is beyond me...

Lordshadowbane
07-18-2005, 8:33 AM
Yeah how an NE NE team can lose using a fag strat like that is beyond me...

BUFFNE4BALANCE ^^.